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Always listen to dead town.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951845]Not the best choice, but have to do it [vote]Voss[/vote]

In case I get lynched or die: town, please pressure Lolde slot D3 (also Gikkle). Should be scum CMAN in one of them, of which Lolde is more suspect at this time.[/QUOTE]

you damp smelly gingerbreadman. do you think i'm pocketing you?

[vote]Lag[/vote]

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Not the best choice, but have to do it

-vote Voss

In case I get lynched or die: town, please pressure Lolde slot D3 (also Gikkle). Should be scum CMAN in one of them, of which Lolde is more suspect at this time.

you damp smelly gingerbreadman. do you think i'm pocketing you?

-vote Lag

[QUOTE=Loldebite;951823]Two nights in a row that you defend PQR. Why ?
Pao MAY seem scummier all you want, but you must agree that all power roles agreeing is a bad sign...[/QUOTE]

it is, but i'd probably echo stealthbomber that i shouldn't use setup analysis to influence my reads. if it came down to a 1v1v1 stealth, me, mm, i'd probably vote for stealth. I'm hoping to god that I die before then.

I forgot why I give PqRNhack a pass with their spammy defensiveness, but it's somewhere in my reads.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

Two nights in a row that you defend PQR. Why ?
Pao MAY seem scummier all you want, but you must agree that all power roles agreeing is a bad sign...

it is, but i'd probably echo stealthbomber that i shouldn't use setup analysis to influence my reads. if it came down to a 1v1v1 stealth, me, mm, i'd probably vote for stealth. I'm hoping to god that I die before then.

I forgot why I give PqRNhack a pass with their spammy defensiveness, but it's somewhere in my reads.

Could we please take a second and not vote pqrn over pao? Pao is clearly the scummier option here.

Could we please take a second and not vote pqrn over pao? Pao is clearly the scummier option here.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;951787]Lag gikkle or lolde
This is my mechanical logical rational cleared POE[/QUOTE]

vote lag please.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

Lag gikkle or lolde
This is my mechanical logical rational cleared POE

vote lag please.

I'd vote Lag, but for some reason host decided to disable multi vote.

I'd vote Lag, but for some reason host decided to disable multi vote.

My thought process here with Pao is that he could be "too scummy to be scum". But I hate that. If we lose because someone's being scummy and double and trippling down on it, I don't mind going to post game and saying "look guys, this was not my fault".

I do want to clarify this by saying that pao's not doing anything near the anti town shit i've seen from efe or light.

Also, when we get to end game, and if lag is scum, I don't want to hear none of this bullshit "I TOLD YOU LAG WAS SCUM, YOU SHOULD HAVE TRUSTED ME!!!" from paopan

My thought process here with Pao is that he could be "too scummy to be scum". But I hate that. If we lose because someone's being scummy and double and trippling down on it, I don't mind going to post game and saying "look guys, this was not my fault".

I do want to clarify this by saying that pao's not doing anything near the anti town shit i've seen from efe or light.

Also, when we get to end game, and if lag is scum, I don't want to hear none of this bullshit "I TOLD YOU LAG WAS SCUM, YOU SHOULD HAVE TRUSTED ME!!!" from paopan

As much as I want PQRN dead, they're not because I think the slot is scum, Loldebite

As much as I want PQRN dead, they're not because I think the slot is scum, Loldebite

[vote]NotPaopan[/vote]

-vote NotPaopan

[QUOTE=NotPaopan;951699][COLOR="#FF0000"]
Shut up Lag. I saw you and Voss are bussing each other. After Voss flip Mafia, you are next. Then PQ if game doesn't end[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

If Lag flips mafia no matter what I flip, then why would you vote for me?

Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Shut up Lag. I saw you and Voss are bussing each other. After Voss flip Mafia, you are next. Then PQ if game doesn't end

If Lag flips mafia no matter what I flip, then why would you vote for me?

[QUOTE=oliverz144;951692]ok i lost my papers
i need to find them in order to analysis claims
ahh im in panic[/QUOTE]

please stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop posting fluff.

there is nothing that moves the game forward in this post.

like honestly, if i was like 50% more asshole, I'd show everyone why we shouldn't post so damn much by starting at D1 and commenting on EVERY single post, doubling the game size. Like, "that'll show everyone how town I am! especially if no one can read the game bc Voss has so many posts!!!!!"

but I like too many people in this game to just ruin it.

[MENTION=12998]PQRnHack[/MENTION]

Originally Posted by oliverz144

ok i lost my papers
i need to find them in order to analysis claims
ahh im in panic

please stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop posting fluff.

there is nothing that moves the game forward in this post.

like honestly, if i was like 50% more asshole, I'd show everyone why we shouldn't post so damn much by starting at D1 and commenting on EVERY single post, doubling the game size. Like, "that'll show everyone how town I am! especially if no one can read the game bc Voss has so many posts!!!!!"

but I like too many people in this game to just ruin it.

@PQRnHack

[QUOTE=Voss;951684]Lag attempted to give an answer here, but at the time, [SIZE=5][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]I was looking for a post I hadn't seen before[/COLOR][/SIZE]. I had already seen reread day1s opening posts. Come on Lag, if I didn't think it was a good idea then, why would I change my mind without reading [B]new[/B] information?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Lag;951513]So this is why you should claim:

I'm not Medic. I'm Voter.

Oliver had it correct here:



The voters jobs are to provide WIFOM for the medic. I wanted to get ahead of that and just claim Medic right out.

And then two people claimed Voter, so I assumed mission accomplished, the real medic is covered.

But then Paopan didn't rescind his medic claim. Meaning actually a states attorney or congressman claimed voter??

And then you refused to claim your role as well?

Things getting super screwy in a bad way, and now people accusing me of being states attorney that voted for myself. Feels like I'm being set up by a wolf states attorney that claimed voter to take advantage of a voter claiming medic in order to frame them + get away with doing scummy actions with their now concealed states attorney power.[/QUOTE]

there were [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]ZERO[/COLOR] new post quotes when you attempted to answer my question.

Also, I'm going to double/triple down on the fact that weird claims resolving the medic is actually a reason to NOT claim, as there's still wifom in the game. Honestly, I'm not really sure why MM and SB16 outed themselves and said they didn't act. Like if the medic is so important in this game, and they think their powers are not useful, they should have just claimed voter as well and tried to take a bullet.

This has got me thinking on why loldebite even put you and paopan as medic/SA. Who planted that idea, and maybe was it scum aligned to try and get me to out myself?

Originally Posted by Voss

Lag attempted to give an answer here, but at the time, I was looking for a post I hadn't seen before. I had already seen reread day1s opening posts. Come on Lag, if I didn't think it was a good idea then, why would I change my mind without reading new information?

Originally Posted by Lag

So this is why you should claim:

I'm not Medic. I'm Voter.

Oliver had it correct here:



The voters jobs are to provide WIFOM for the medic. I wanted to get ahead of that and just claim Medic right out.

And then two people claimed Voter, so I assumed mission accomplished, the real medic is covered.

But then Paopan didn't rescind his medic claim. Meaning actually a states attorney or congressman claimed voter??

And then you refused to claim your role as well?

Things getting super screwy in a bad way, and now people accusing me of being states attorney that voted for myself. Feels like I'm being set up by a wolf states attorney that claimed voter to take advantage of a voter claiming medic in order to frame them + get away with doing scummy actions with their now concealed states attorney power.

there were ZERO new post quotes when you attempted to answer my question.

Also, I'm going to double/triple down on the fact that weird claims resolving the medic is actually a reason to NOT claim, as there's still wifom in the game. Honestly, I'm not really sure why MM and SB16 outed themselves and said they didn't act. Like if the medic is so important in this game, and they think their powers are not useful, they should have just claimed voter as well and tried to take a bullet.

This has got me thinking on why loldebite even put you and paopan as medic/SA. Who planted that idea, and maybe was it scum aligned to try and get me to out myself?

A couple of the reasons why I think you're scum Lag, is because I think you were thrown off your game with the strong, (and probably too strong) read from Oliverz out of the gate. I really haven't seen [B]ONE[/B] post where I could give myself pause and say, yeah, scum doesn't make this post.

Gikkle's done it. Oliverz's done it. PQRN has done it. I think even loldebite has done it too.

And when Oliverz starts to look townier to me, it makes it look worse for you.

Actually, as I'm typing this, there's just one post where I think you could have typed it from a town perspective. It was when you quoted oliverz and said "Come on, this is never scum" (or something similar to that). I can't at first see why scum Lag makes that post. Maybe it's a pocket attempt bc no one's REALLY scum reading oliverz (except maybe mm?)

Sorry Lag, but like, I guess I need another game to play with you if I'm actually wrong on you.

A couple of the reasons why I think you're scum Lag, is because I think you were thrown off your game with the strong, (and probably too strong) read from Oliverz out of the gate. I really haven't seen ONE post where I could give myself pause and say, yeah, scum doesn't make this post.

Gikkle's done it. Oliverz's done it. PQRN has done it. I think even loldebite has done it too.

And when Oliverz starts to look townier to me, it makes it look worse for you.

Actually, as I'm typing this, there's just one post where I think you could have typed it from a town perspective. It was when you quoted oliverz and said "Come on, this is never scum" (or something similar to that). I can't at first see why scum Lag makes that post. Maybe it's a pocket attempt bc no one's REALLY scum reading oliverz (except maybe mm?)

Sorry Lag, but like, I guess I need another game to play with you if I'm actually wrong on you.

[QUOTE=Voss;951509]I promise I'm not trying to give anyone busy work, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable giving game information to everyone (and the scum team) if someone pulls the posts for me on why sb and mm both decided to out themselves, [COLOR="#FFA500"]or if someone can give me some sort of summary and reasoning on why I should claim[/COLOR].[/QUOTE]

Lag attempted to give an answer here, but at the time, I was looking for a post I hadn't seen before. I had already seen reread day1s opening posts. Come on Lag, if I didn't think it was a good idea then, why would I change my mind without reading [B]new[/B] information?

Originally Posted by Voss

I promise I'm not trying to give anyone busy work, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable giving game information to everyone (and the scum team) if someone pulls the posts for me on why sb and mm both decided to out themselves, or if someone can give me some sort of summary and reasoning on why I should claim.

Lag attempted to give an answer here, but at the time, I was looking for a post I hadn't seen before. I had already seen reread day1s opening posts. Come on Lag, if I didn't think it was a good idea then, why would I change my mind without reading new information?

[vote]Lag[/vote]

i would also vote paopan.

-vote Lag

i would also vote paopan.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;951670]bruh i said that not reading everything is not good for town
like bruh[/QUOTE]

i reread the post and blame my 3am brain for misreading the more correct meaning behind that post, sorry.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

bruh i said that not reading everything is not good for town
like bruh

i reread the post and blame my 3am brain for misreading the more correct meaning behind that post, sorry.

[QUOTE=Renegade;951665]I think the Voss flip gives us the most information today.[/QUOTE]

but i'm not scum. this is super frustrating bc i currently trust you.

Originally Posted by Renegade

I think the Voss flip gives us the most information today.

but i'm not scum. this is super frustrating bc i currently trust you.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;951649]Where tf did i tr you???[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=oliverz144;951632]Bruh. Lazy anti town[/QUOTE]

[MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION]

right here.

[QUOTE=Loldebite;951646][MENTION=6527]Voss[/MENTION] why did you breadcrumb yourself as CM if you're SA ?

[SPOILER=breadcrumbing post][/SPOILER]



PQR has had a terrible influence on you. You definitly should've listened to Voss.[/QUOTE]

My intention was to give the alternative universe where I was actually congressperson the room to talk about optimal congressperson play without actually confirming or denying whether i'm a congress person. Sounds like I didn't thread that line that well.

If anyone thinks this is AI, can you walk me through why I'd fake bread crumb congress person as scum SA?

Originally Posted by oliverz144

Where tf did i tr you???

Originally Posted by oliverz144

Bruh. Lazy anti town

@oliverz144

right here.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

@Voss why did you breadcrumb yourself as CM if you're SA ?





PQR has had a terrible influence on you. You definitly should've listened to Voss.

My intention was to give the alternative universe where I was actually congressperson the room to talk about optimal congressperson play without actually confirming or denying whether i'm a congress person. Sounds like I didn't thread that line that well.

If anyone thinks this is AI, can you walk me through why I'd fake bread crumb congress person as scum SA?

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;951372]I guess at this point, it cannot really hurt, and it will out the Attorney, who is probably not so good-willed (although that is not certain)....

I am the Governor (pardon at night, makes someone lynch immune the next day). This is mostly useless for town lol so I didn't use it.


[SIZE=7][COLOR="#008080"]MASS CLAIM TIME[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

???? why ???

shouldn't you pardon your top town read? if you're wrong, you're wrong, oh well.

but anyway, my ???? are more of what's the point of even claiming. seems like you gave the role call actual the actual catalyst here.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I guess at this point, it cannot really hurt, and it will out the Attorney, who is probably not so good-willed (although that is not certain)....

I am the Governor (pardon at night, makes someone lynch immune the next day). This is mostly useless for town lol so I didn't use it.


MASS CLAIM TIME

???? why ???

shouldn't you pardon your top town read? if you're wrong, you're wrong, oh well.

but anyway, my ???? are more of what's the point of even claiming. seems like you gave the role call actual the actual catalyst here.

[SPOILER=current d2 vote progression]Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM
PQRnHack

Town lean
Lag
Oliverz
Gikkle

Can go
Loldebite
Paopan

Analsyis before I start reading
MM - Already did vote analysis on him already
Ren is acting like the previous time I played town with him, which was like almost flying under the radar. He’s flying a little above that, but still generally under the radar. But I think it’s because he’s afraid of his vote power, and not actually some scum coasting.
Stealth - we vibing so hard. Going to read day 2 and hope to find more pro town stuff here to further justify this slot so it’s not just gut read (I actually just don’t have the notes to remember why it’s more than a gut read)
PQRNhack started in town slot, but his day 2 is not good. Super defensive and spammy and also advocating for roles and thunder dome makes me not like this slot anymore. So going to adjust
Lag/Oliverz - tossup with oliverz. I feel like there could be a scum here, but maybe this ideas was planted by someone else.
Gikkle - has some shady fucking posts, and some really good posts. Tough fucking slot to figure out.
Loldebite - PoE and not very many memorable posts seem to make this slot a soft scum lean
Paopan - can still be voted out lmao


Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM
PQRnHack

Town lean
Lag
Oliverz
Gikkle

Can go
Loldebite
Paopan

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;950978]That's absurd! Repeating for the 3rd time: I voted two times, first was opening troll vote on Renegade as Mayor; 2nd was Frinckles when I said I was placing a serious vote. Gikkle had their first troll/random vote on Frinckles and so I asked Gikkle if that persistent vote (which stuck since random phase) was good lynch or not (i.e., did the initially-random vote convert to a serious vote - and answer from Gikkle was essentially yes). In part, I wanted to check Gikkle's commitment there so they didnt skirt by with a random vote that stuck around.[/QUOTE]

Based off this, I kinda have trouble seeing a scum make this post. It really shows consistent thought process. But it’s also makes me blur the ranking with gikkle. Pqrn made a lot of bad spammy posts today. I’d say paopan is a scum, with lag/oliverz being next likely scum, and then a 3rd between gikkle/loldebite/pqrn.

Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM

Town lean
Gikkle/Loldebite/PQRnHack

Scum lean
Lag/Oliverz

Can go
Paopan


[QUOTE=oliverz144;950988]this Is 1to1 pqr scum play in 334.
he c5aims that "guillo was killed to frame his scumlist" and takes this as an excuse why he is town and any wagon on him has scum equity.
AFTERWARDS the very next sentence he proceeds into scumreading me and lag, while trusting voss.
double standarts. Scum flip[/QUOTE]

I read this a few times, but can’t really agree. PQRN trusts me in this moment, and thinks the other train was bad. It makes sense to not trust lag/olvierz from pqrn’s PoV

PQRN is also not allied with oliverz here. Changing oliverz down a notch, and pqrn up a notch

Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM

Town lean
PQRnHack
Gikkle/Loldebite

Scum lean
Lag
Oliverz

Can go
Paopan

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;951129]Things have finally fallen into place enough that I think I can put together an organized list. Let this stand the test of time. I'll put it nice and neat, and right here underneath my post explaining why PQ is scum.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]SCUM[/COLOR]
Lag. 2 weak days in a row, I don't understand anything he's saying today. I don't see anything ACTIVELY scummy coming from his slot but this guy is just putting off so many bad vibes and I cannot see things from his perspective.
PQRnHack. Caught in 2 TMI slips. Currently in a garbage flow. See above.

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]SCUM LEAN[/COLOR]
Oliver. A slot that has been largely incoherent. I need to go back and re-analyze oliver again but my gut is pointing me here.
Pao. This dude is fucking crazy. If/when Lag flips scum he moves up into the red category.
Loldebite. I almost left him off this list. I have to go back and re-analyze Loldebite as well.

[COLOR="#008000"]TOWN LEAN[/COLOR]
Gikkle. The only slot with poor voting that I actively think is town. They explain their thought process and it appears very organic. I'm reserved because I think this player could be good enough to be red here, but I also don't think they are.
Renegade. I always scumread Renegade, but this game I scumread him less than I normally do, which means he's probably town.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]TOWN CORE[/COLOR]
Voss. Very organic thought process, we think alike on many topics. Voss is very solidly town here. If you are going to pursue a deep-wolf candidate from the frinckles train, pursue Gikkle instead. I will die on this hill.
MM. I have yet to understand why this player has gotten any flak at all. We are currently mindmelding on pretty much everything.

I am of course super-duper-always-town, which transcends the tier list, so I am notably absent.[/QUOTE]

It’s like stealth can see into my fucking brain. Votes remain unchanged.


[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951192]Although not necessarily alignmnent-indicative, the fact that oliver acted quick to unvote here (even though my congressman claim is also not alignment indicative) and outed himself as the other Congressman earns pretty solid townpoints for the time being.[/QUOTE]

I buy this. I think I’m going to put oliverz in the slot of just bad town. However, pqrn starts the role claim, for like nothing, but I guess I don’t know what the vote counts are at this point FUCK.

I’m pretty convinced Lag is scum here.

Also this post. Actually a lot of posts around this don’t make me see Lag as town. I literally can’t fathom Lag as town.

[QUOTE=Lag;951238]Not busy today, so I'll be here, also these wagons are absolutely terrible.[/QUOTE]


Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM

Town lean
Oliverz
PQRnHack
Gikkle/Loldebite

Scum lean
Lag

Can go
Paopan

[QUOTE=oliverz144;951336]ok im addicted
i cant break[/QUOTE]

This is another post on why I can’t believe oliverz is scum. What 5th game scum says this? none.[/SPOILER]

[MENTION=45931]Gikkle[/MENTION]
sorry, i won't have time to finish doing this tomorrow, as I need to work and probably stay up to date in the chat.

Also, here are some other posts that I thought were some noteworthy posts

[SPOILER=noteworthy posts]PQRN likes Gikkle’s content analysis, but not the vote on MM? I wonder what this means. Does it mean that they don’t like the conclusion, but like the town thought process?

I also don’t think PQRN and Lag are scummates

Based on this
[QUOTE=Lag;950573]Why Frinckles?[/QUOTE]


I don’t think oliverz is scum with pqrn based on this.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;950988]this Is 1to1 pqr scum play in 334.
he c5aims that "guillo was killed to frame his scumlist" and takes this as an excuse why he is town and any wagon on him has scum equity.
AFTERWARDS the very next sentence he proceeds into scumreading me and lag, while trusting voss.
double standarts. Scum flip[/QUOTE]



[QUOTE=Loldebite;951253]As for the medic : that assumption is what doomed town in 334, as it was the sole basis for Light's blind trust of Mike. So that is a completely false.
As for Judge/Gov : scum trying to look towny would also not use their power, WIFOM, so here again nothing conclusive. Despite my trolly claims about paopan.
As for state attorney : the vote on D1's counter-wagon is not inherently scummy, it could very well have been made by town.

Your ideas are becoming worse by the hour.

Nothing other than your perception of balance points towards 2 PRs. Why not 1 PR + congressman + a voter (mafiosi) ? Since the PRs are shit for town until a scum is outted, that doesnt sound impossible to me.[/QUOTE]

I can’t see scum Loldebite post about judge/gov like this as scum, unless he’s scum partners with mm or sb, and that would make me sad.

If lag doesn’t flip scum, I’d probably have to look at MM and SB, but I’m not trying to set up d3s Lynch.


[QUOTE=Renegade;951274]I buy into the theory that the SA is scum and the Lag vote is a misdirection.[/QUOTE]

fuck.[/SPOILER]

Spoiler : current d2 vote progression :

Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM
PQRnHack

Town lean
Lag
Oliverz
Gikkle

Can go
Loldebite
Paopan

Analsyis before I start reading
MM - Already did vote analysis on him already
Ren is acting like the previous time I played town with him, which was like almost flying under the radar. He’s flying a little above that, but still generally under the radar. But I think it’s because he’s afraid of his vote power, and not actually some scum coasting.
Stealth - we vibing so hard. Going to read day 2 and hope to find more pro town stuff here to further justify this slot so it’s not just gut read (I actually just don’t have the notes to remember why it’s more than a gut read)
PQRNhack started in town slot, but his day 2 is not good. Super defensive and spammy and also advocating for roles and thunder dome makes me not like this slot anymore. So going to adjust
Lag/Oliverz - tossup with oliverz. I feel like there could be a scum here, but maybe this ideas was planted by someone else.
Gikkle - has some shady fucking posts, and some really good posts. Tough fucking slot to figure out.
Loldebite - PoE and not very many memorable posts seem to make this slot a soft scum lean
Paopan - can still be voted out lmao


Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM
PQRnHack

Town lean
Lag
Oliverz
Gikkle

Can go
Loldebite
Paopan

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

That's absurd! Repeating for the 3rd time: I voted two times, first was opening troll vote on Renegade as Mayor; 2nd was Frinckles when I said I was placing a serious vote. Gikkle had their first troll/random vote on Frinckles and so I asked Gikkle if that persistent vote (which stuck since random phase) was good lynch or not (i.e., did the initially-random vote convert to a serious vote - and answer from Gikkle was essentially yes). In part, I wanted to check Gikkle's commitment there so they didnt skirt by with a random vote that stuck around.

Based off this, I kinda have trouble seeing a scum make this post. It really shows consistent thought process. But it’s also makes me blur the ranking with gikkle. Pqrn made a lot of bad spammy posts today. I’d say paopan is a scum, with lag/oliverz being next likely scum, and then a 3rd between gikkle/loldebite/pqrn.

Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM

Town lean
Gikkle/Loldebite/PQRnHack

Scum lean
Lag/Oliverz

Can go
Paopan

Originally Posted by oliverz144

this Is 1to1 pqr scum play in 334.
he c5aims that "guillo was killed to frame his scumlist" and takes this as an excuse why he is town and any wagon on him has scum equity.
AFTERWARDS the very next sentence he proceeds into scumreading me and lag, while trusting voss.
double standarts. Scum flip

I read this a few times, but can’t really agree. PQRN trusts me in this moment, and thinks the other train was bad. It makes sense to not trust lag/olvierz from pqrn’s PoV

PQRN is also not allied with oliverz here. Changing oliverz down a notch, and pqrn up a notch

Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM

Town lean
PQRnHack
Gikkle/Loldebite

Scum lean
Lag
Oliverz

Can go
Paopan

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Things have finally fallen into place enough that I think I can put together an organized list. Let this stand the test of time. I'll put it nice and neat, and right here underneath my post explaining why PQ is scum.

SCUM
Lag. 2 weak days in a row, I don't understand anything he's saying today. I don't see anything ACTIVELY scummy coming from his slot but this guy is just putting off so many bad vibes and I cannot see things from his perspective.
PQRnHack. Caught in 2 TMI slips. Currently in a garbage flow. See above.

SCUM LEAN
Oliver. A slot that has been largely incoherent. I need to go back and re-analyze oliver again but my gut is pointing me here.
Pao. This dude is fucking crazy. If/when Lag flips scum he moves up into the red category.
Loldebite. I almost left him off this list. I have to go back and re-analyze Loldebite as well.

TOWN LEAN
Gikkle. The only slot with poor voting that I actively think is town. They explain their thought process and it appears very organic. I'm reserved because I think this player could be good enough to be red here, but I also don't think they are.
Renegade. I always scumread Renegade, but this game I scumread him less than I normally do, which means he's probably town.

TOWN CORE
Voss. Very organic thought process, we think alike on many topics. Voss is very solidly town here. If you are going to pursue a deep-wolf candidate from the frinckles train, pursue Gikkle instead. I will die on this hill.
MM. I have yet to understand why this player has gotten any flak at all. We are currently mindmelding on pretty much everything.

I am of course super-duper-always-town, which transcends the tier list, so I am notably absent.

It’s like stealth can see into my fucking brain. Votes remain unchanged.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Although not necessarily alignmnent-indicative, the fact that oliver acted quick to unvote here (even though my congressman claim is also not alignment indicative) and outed himself as the other Congressman earns pretty solid townpoints for the time being.

I buy this. I think I’m going to put oliverz in the slot of just bad town. However, pqrn starts the role claim, for like nothing, but I guess I don’t know what the vote counts are at this point FUCK.

I’m pretty convinced Lag is scum here.

Also this post. Actually a lot of posts around this don’t make me see Lag as town. I literally can’t fathom Lag as town.

Originally Posted by Lag

Not busy today, so I'll be here, also these wagons are absolutely terrible.

Town
Stealth
Renegade
MM

Town lean
Oliverz
PQRnHack
Gikkle/Loldebite

Scum lean
Lag

Can go
Paopan

Originally Posted by oliverz144

ok im addicted
i cant break

This is another post on why I can’t believe oliverz is scum. What 5th game scum says this? none.

@Gikkle
sorry, i won't have time to finish doing this tomorrow, as I need to work and probably stay up to date in the chat.

Also, here are some other posts that I thought were some noteworthy posts

Spoiler : noteworthy posts :

PQRN likes Gikkle’s content analysis, but not the vote on MM? I wonder what this means. Does it mean that they don’t like the conclusion, but like the town thought process?

I also don’t think PQRN and Lag are scummates

Based on this

Originally Posted by Lag

Why Frinckles?

I don’t think oliverz is scum with pqrn based on this.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

this Is 1to1 pqr scum play in 334.
he c5aims that "guillo was killed to frame his scumlist" and takes this as an excuse why he is town and any wagon on him has scum equity.
AFTERWARDS the very next sentence he proceeds into scumreading me and lag, while trusting voss.
double standarts. Scum flip

Originally Posted by Loldebite

As for the medic : that assumption is what doomed town in 334, as it was the sole basis for Light's blind trust of Mike. So that is a completely false.
As for Judge/Gov : scum trying to look towny would also not use their power, WIFOM, so here again nothing conclusive. Despite my trolly claims about paopan.
As for state attorney : the vote on D1's counter-wagon is not inherently scummy, it could very well have been made by town.

Your ideas are becoming worse by the hour.

Nothing other than your perception of balance points towards 2 PRs. Why not 1 PR + congressman + a voter (mafiosi) ? Since the PRs are shit for town until a scum is outted, that doesnt sound impossible to me.

I can’t see scum Loldebite post about judge/gov like this as scum, unless he’s scum partners with mm or sb, and that would make me sad.

If lag doesn’t flip scum, I’d probably have to look at MM and SB, but I’m not trying to set up d3s Lynch.

Originally Posted by Renegade

I buy into the theory that the SA is scum and the Lag vote is a misdirection.

fuck.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;951632]Bruh. Lazy anti town[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=oliverz144;951375]color time!

[COLOR="#008000"]Frinckles[/COLOR] (4 [L-3]):
[COLOR="#00FF00"]PQRnHack[/COLOR], [COLOR="#008000"]oliverz144[/COLOR], [COLOR="#FF8C00"]Gikkle[/COLOR], [COLOR="#FF8C00"]Voss[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#8B4513"]NotPaopan [/COLOR](1 [L-6]):
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Lag[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]PQRnHack [/COLOR](1 [L-6]):
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Marshmallow Marshall
[/COLOR][COLOR="#FF8C00"]Voss [/COLOR](1 [L-6]):
[COLOR="#8B4513"]NotPaopan[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Lag [/COLOR](4 [L-3]):
[COLOR="#008000"]Guillo[/COLOR], Renegade (Mayor), [COLOR="#008000"]Frinckles[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#008000"]oliverz144 [/COLOR](1 [L-6]):
[COLOR="#8B4513"]Stealthbomber16[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF8C00"][COLOR="#FFA500"]Renegade [/COLOR][/COLOR](1 [L-6]):
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Loldebite[/COLOR]
i hope thats the way i rly see it
colours r so confusing ahhhhh[/QUOTE]

when did you go from me being a scum lean to a "for sure" town? is this TMI?

Originally Posted by oliverz144

Bruh. Lazy anti town

Originally Posted by oliverz144

color time!

Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss
NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
Lag
PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Voss (1 [L-6]):
NotPaopan
Lag (4 [L-3]):
Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles
oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
Stealthbomber16
Renegade (1 [L-6]):
Loldebite
i hope thats the way i rly see it
colours r so confusing ahhhhh

when did you go from me being a scum lean to a "for sure" town? is this TMI?

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;951372]I guess at this point, it cannot really hurt, and it will out the Attorney, who is probably not so good-willed (although that is not certain)....

I am the Governor (pardon at night, makes someone lynch immune the next day). This is mostly useless for town lol so I didn't use it.


[SIZE=7][COLOR="#008080"]MASS CLAIM TIME[/COLOR][/SIZE][/QUOTE]

???? why ???

shouldn't you pardon your top town read? if you're wrong, you're wrong, oh well.

but anyway, my ???? are more of what's the point of even claiming. seems like you gave the role call actual flame here.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I guess at this point, it cannot really hurt, and it will out the Attorney, who is probably not so good-willed (although that is not certain)....

I am the Governor (pardon at night, makes someone lynch immune the next day). This is mostly useless for town lol so I didn't use it.


MASS CLAIM TIME

???? why ???

shouldn't you pardon your top town read? if you're wrong, you're wrong, oh well.

but anyway, my ???? are more of what's the point of even claiming. seems like you gave the role call actual flame here.

[QUOTE=Voss;950790]I'd vote for frinckles now, instead of pao, because pao's behavior is more typical

[vote]Frinckles[/vote][/QUOTE]

@marshmallowmarshall

I was torn between these two on day 1, and you called out why I didn't vote for Paopan. It's because I expected Paopan to do this shit, and expected better of frinckles.

Originally Posted by Voss

I'd vote for frinckles now, instead of pao, because pao's behavior is more typical

-vote Frinckles

@marshmallowmarshall

I was torn between these two on day 1, and you called out why I didn't vote for Paopan. It's because I expected Paopan to do this shit, and expected better of frinckles.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951605]Ii am town. If you are town, then I welcome you to ask me whatever your heart wishes. I talk a lot because i have nothing to hide.[/QUOTE]

THEN MAKE IT EASIER FOR ME TO PLAY THIS GAME BY NOT POSTING SO MANY ONE LINERS MONOLOGUES.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Ii am town. If you are town, then I welcome you to ask me whatever your heart wishes. I talk a lot because i have nothing to hide.

THEN MAKE IT EASIER FOR ME TO PLAY THIS GAME BY NOT POSTING SO MANY ONE LINERS MONOLOGUES.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;951603]Okay I am definetly not able to think critically right now lol

Why'd you remain hidden? I confirm the meta part about listening to the dead, but that doesn't make placing an anonymous, unexplained, controversial vote a good idea.

[/QUOTE]

Let's break this down.
[B]anonymous[/B]
My power is anonymous, so yes. I don't 'ppreciate the negative connotation. Do you think I should have outed d2 that it was me that put the vote on Lag? It seems like you do with this post.

[B]unexplained[/B]
Sorry I couldn't explain it, but that's what being anonymous entails.

[B]controversial[/B]
I don't know why you keep calling Frinckles and Lag votes yesterday controversial. Just because frinckles and lag weren't your ideal trains yesterday doesn't make them super controversial. Controversial trains would have been like Guillo vs Ren.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;951603]That was done ages ago. Stop spamming your taunts, damnit. It's not fun. I know it helps convince people through sheer repetition because you drown them into your restated arguments until they believe them, but it's just rude and not so pro-town ;)[/QUOTE]

yeah, please don't make me ask martin to ask you to cool it. i'm just skimming the catch up day 2 pages and find myself having to reread the posts that you didn't make.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Okay I am definetly not able to think critically right now lol

Why'd you remain hidden? I confirm the meta part about listening to the dead, but that doesn't make placing an anonymous, unexplained, controversial vote a good idea.

Let's break this down.
anonymous
My power is anonymous, so yes. I don't 'ppreciate the negative connotation. Do you think I should have outed d2 that it was me that put the vote on Lag? It seems like you do with this post.

unexplained
Sorry I couldn't explain it, but that's what being anonymous entails.

controversial
I don't know why you keep calling Frinckles and Lag votes yesterday controversial. Just because frinckles and lag weren't your ideal trains yesterday doesn't make them super controversial. Controversial trains would have been like Guillo vs Ren.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

That was done ages ago. Stop spamming your taunts, damnit. It's not fun. I know it helps convince people through sheer repetition because you drown them into your restated arguments until they believe them, but it's just rude and not so pro-town ;)

yeah, please don't make me ask martin to ask you to cool it. i'm just skimming the catch up day 2 pages and find myself having to reread the posts that you didn't make.

[QUOTE=Lag;951600]The points in this post are pretty terrible.

Frinckles voted for me as a literal last second cross-vote because he knew he was town, and town should have self-preservation.

The only other people that voted me were Guillo and Ren.

Calling a two person train a "top train" because the Mayor happened to be voting me seems super disingenuous[/QUOTE]

I missed the part where Frinckles voted you out of self preservation, sorry.

Originally Posted by Lag

The points in this post are pretty terrible.

Frinckles voted for me as a literal last second cross-vote because he knew he was town, and town should have self-preservation.

The only other people that voted me were Guillo and Ren.

Calling a two person train a "top train" because the Mayor happened to be voting me seems super disingenuous

I missed the part where Frinckles voted you out of self preservation, sorry.

I never vote for MM, and the only reason why I might vote for PQRN is because they are talking so much. My earlier posts calling this out were before I saw that there was at least 2x more content.

I think Lag or Pao are good votes

I never vote for MM, and the only reason why I might vote for PQRN is because they are talking so much. My earlier posts calling this out were before I saw that there was at least 2x more content.

I think Lag or Pao are good votes

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;951583]I can't really stay, was just popping in to check what was going on and was surprised to see so many new posts. I'll comment a bit more in this case.

I am, but he's part of the lesser evils right now. His nonexistence and his behavior closer to EoD will prove useful later on, and solving a low activity, low content slot based on "positive tells", i.e. things the slot [I]did[/I] instead of things related to the slot and things happening to it (or not happening), is risky. He has been outrageously outrageous every time I've seen him play, so it's not exactly telling; but at this point, I'm starting to think he should be charged with the heinous crime of not being towny by PoE. That being said, PQ remains much worse here.


There is actual info to be gained now: who the state attorney is and why they placed a vote on Lag. An anonymous controversial vote is strange, and considering how everyone seems to claim not to be that role, I doubt the attorney is town; it's not impossible they're a misplaying town, but still. Uncovering this is meaningful, because it helps solve both Lag and the SA. It's safe enough to assume scum!SA didn't place a vote on scum!Lag, especially when Lag could very well have died yesterday. Plus, scum!SA, if it exists (which is very possible), is a significant threat. As for drawbacks of massclaiming, there is the risk of losing town!Medic, but WIFOM about self-heals can probably keep them alive if they exist. Other roles are really not that useful for town, except maybe for the vote remover that can successfully harm scum (and even then, it's risky), so the benefits outweigh the drawbacks imo.[/QUOTE]

Stealth said earlier that SA's vote is NAI, and I agreed with that, but...

I'm SA and I put the vote on Lag because
- Frinckles voted for Lag at EoD yesterday, and you, of all people should know how big of a fan I am of listening to the dead.
- Lag deserves to remain in the hot seat because they were a top train yesterday. Figured I'd make it easier.

Also, as added context, I pmed Martin that I wanted to put the vote on Loldebite (for the CFD attempt yesterday), but rescinded it after Frinckle's flip and thinking a little more about the CFD. Trying to resolve Frinckles vs Lag was more important than getting loldebite.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I can't really stay, was just popping in to check what was going on and was surprised to see so many new posts. I'll comment a bit more in this case.

I am, but he's part of the lesser evils right now. His nonexistence and his behavior closer to EoD will prove useful later on, and solving a low activity, low content slot based on "positive tells", i.e. things the slot did instead of things related to the slot and things happening to it (or not happening), is risky. He has been outrageously outrageous every time I've seen him play, so it's not exactly telling; but at this point, I'm starting to think he should be charged with the heinous crime of not being towny by PoE. That being said, PQ remains much worse here.


There is actual info to be gained now: who the state attorney is and why they placed a vote on Lag. An anonymous controversial vote is strange, and considering how everyone seems to claim not to be that role, I doubt the attorney is town; it's not impossible they're a misplaying town, but still. Uncovering this is meaningful, because it helps solve both Lag and the SA. It's safe enough to assume scum!SA didn't place a vote on scum!Lag, especially when Lag could very well have died yesterday. Plus, scum!SA, if it exists (which is very possible), is a significant threat. As for drawbacks of massclaiming, there is the risk of losing town!Medic, but WIFOM about self-heals can probably keep them alive if they exist. Other roles are really not that useful for town, except maybe for the vote remover that can successfully harm scum (and even then, it's risky), so the benefits outweigh the drawbacks imo.

Stealth said earlier that SA's vote is NAI, and I agreed with that, but...

I'm SA and I put the vote on Lag because
- Frinckles voted for Lag at EoD yesterday, and you, of all people should know how big of a fan I am of listening to the dead.
- Lag deserves to remain in the hot seat because they were a top train yesterday. Figured I'd make it easier.

Also, as added context, I pmed Martin that I wanted to put the vote on Loldebite (for the CFD attempt yesterday), but rescinded it after Frinckle's flip and thinking a little more about the CFD. Trying to resolve Frinckles vs Lag was more important than getting loldebite.

Stealth, there are posts that PQRN has made that give me pause as to how they can be made from a scum. Also, PQRN reminds me of Mag/oberon SO much and he's fooled me before with his towny posts(might have been your game where I subbed into some anonymous slot), which make me second guess myself again.

Stealth, there are posts that PQRN has made that give me pause as to how they can be made from a scum. Also, PQRN reminds me of Mag/oberon SO much and he's fooled me before with his towny posts(might have been your game where I subbed into some anonymous slot), which make me second guess myself again.

MM, stealth? y'all are here and if you guys are [B]both[/B] scum I'm glad to give the game to you.

Why did you both claim, and why should I not try to protect the medic and state attorney (if we're really to believe you)

MM, stealth? y'all are here and if you guys are both scum I'm glad to give the game to you.

Why did you both claim, and why should I not try to protect the medic and state attorney (if we're really to believe you)

[QUOTE=Voss;950444]I hate RVS and would rather talk strategy. I guess I'll reread the setup, since I just skimmed it.

Also a couple of things:
[B]First, don't burn yourself out and/or have unrealistic expectations for people's contributions. There's a difference between a lurking scum, and someone who is making good posts, but not talking a lot. So when you are frustrated with the lack of contribution at 3am PST, get a grip, and reread/summarize the game instead of asking "wHeRe Is EvErYoNe? DeAd GaMe!!!!". It'll help you, and help those not able to spend 25/8 on the forums.[/B]

Second, since we're playing with the ARCANE early hammer system, I will refuse to vote until end of game. You can assume that whoever I put first in my "vote order bird vote" list is the person I'd vote for. Don't like it? Vote me, petition the host to change it, or bite me.

Gotta say I like oliverz here on the Lag meta read.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951536]This is really kinda obtuse and offensive. I got cornered to some extent both days D1 and D2. Do you want me to stop posting and just cave in and let mafia win?? Aint happening. It sucks that I spend more time defending self, but it was not my own doing (some may disagree since im apparently a scum read)[/QUOTE]

It's probably not clear, but the advice I gave in my first post here applies.

Don't spam the thread. It's a better use of your(nay, EVERYONES) time to go back and do longer posts on these sorts of things:
find why people are scum reading you and find your own posts that contradict/disprove/assuage their reasonings.

and [I][B]more importantly[/B][/I], go push your actual scum reads by finding their posts and telling others why you think they're bad. But not by responding to each one one at a time to spam the thread. A nicely formatted post with commentary and wrapped in spoilers is way better to give other people pause on whether you're scum or not. Give them alternatives, and they can also judge your reasonings as to whether they come from a town perspective, or a scum faking it.

i'll stop preaching about this after this post.

Originally Posted by Voss

I hate RVS and would rather talk strategy. I guess I'll reread the setup, since I just skimmed it.

Also a couple of things:
First, don't burn yourself out and/or have unrealistic expectations for people's contributions. There's a difference between a lurking scum, and someone who is making good posts, but not talking a lot. So when you are frustrated with the lack of contribution at 3am PST, get a grip, and reread/summarize the game instead of asking "wHeRe Is EvErYoNe? DeAd GaMe!!!!". It'll help you, and help those not able to spend 25/8 on the forums.

Second, since we're playing with the ARCANE early hammer system, I will refuse to vote until end of game. You can assume that whoever I put first in my "vote order bird vote" list is the person I'd vote for. Don't like it? Vote me, petition the host to change it, or bite me.

Gotta say I like oliverz here on the Lag meta read.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

This is really kinda obtuse and offensive. I got cornered to some extent both days D1 and D2. Do you want me to stop posting and just cave in and let mafia win?? Aint happening. It sucks that I spend more time defending self, but it was not my own doing (some may disagree since im apparently a scum read)

It's probably not clear, but the advice I gave in my first post here applies.

Don't spam the thread. It's a better use of your(nay, EVERYONES) time to go back and do longer posts on these sorts of things:
find why people are scum reading you and find your own posts that contradict/disprove/assuage their reasonings.

and more importantly, go push your actual scum reads by finding their posts and telling others why you think they're bad. But not by responding to each one one at a time to spam the thread. A nicely formatted post with commentary and wrapped in spoilers is way better to give other people pause on whether you're scum or not. Give them alternatives, and they can also judge your reasonings as to whether they come from a town perspective, or a scum faking it.

i'll stop preaching about this after this post.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951534]when im town i speak my mind. if that is policy, then do it. our goal here is to win, get your stuff together.[/QUOTE]

Please understand that town doesn't have the brainpower to read lots and lots of stream of consciousness posts. Scum don't need to and only need to know enough to run out the clock on trains that don't concern them.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

when im town i speak my mind. if that is policy, then do it. our goal here is to win, get your stuff together.

Please understand that town doesn't have the brainpower to read lots and lots of stream of consciousness posts. Scum don't need to and only need to know enough to run out the clock on trains that don't concern them.

[QUOTE=Lag;951531]The post from the first hour of the day was setup speculation? It doesn't matter when setup speculation posts are made.

And I wasn't even the one that initiated mass-claiming, I just did my job as voter to provide medic WIFOM.

Your doubling down here is super bizarre.[/QUOTE]

I didn't ask anyone to give me day 1 opener posts on why we should mass claim. I (thought I) asked for why we decided to do it within the past 18 hours, so I wanted post quotes from the past 18 hours. Not recycled posts.

[QUOTE=Lag;951530]Claim it and then not use the power until I'm able to turn LYLO into a win. Fake claiming as a power role is just a headache because you get outed by role counting, like what's happening here with Gikkle/Loldebite

Also funny how [MENTION=6527]Voss[/MENTION] just disappeared after I posted why he needs to hard-claim his role[/QUOTE]

i'm still here. i'm trying to catch up and stay current (but also trying really hard not to spam the thread). Please don't activity shame me when I've made it obvious I'm READING.

Originally Posted by Lag

The post from the first hour of the day was setup speculation? It doesn't matter when setup speculation posts are made.

And I wasn't even the one that initiated mass-claiming, I just did my job as voter to provide medic WIFOM.

Your doubling down here is super bizarre.

I didn't ask anyone to give me day 1 opener posts on why we should mass claim. I (thought I) asked for why we decided to do it within the past 18 hours, so I wanted post quotes from the past 18 hours. Not recycled posts.

Originally Posted by Lag

Claim it and then not use the power until I'm able to turn LYLO into a win. Fake claiming as a power role is just a headache because you get outed by role counting, like what's happening here with Gikkle/Loldebite

Also funny how @Voss just disappeared after I posted why he needs to hard-claim his role

i'm still here. i'm trying to catch up and stay current (but also trying really hard not to spam the thread). Please don't activity shame me when I've made it obvious I'm READING.

[QUOTE=Renegade;951120]Could you condense your posts a bit PQ into like a handful of posts rather than a page.?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951122]I am in a vulnerable position as ppl want me gone. So people who dont want me gone are by definition bussing me. Loldebite made a false statement or two but is sleeping. SB16 went apeshit over my amazing expectation that the count of mafia is 3 and not 2. What a fucking joke. I will fight for my life, unlike Frinckles.[/QUOTE]

your (what seems like a) 100 posts makes me want to policy you. this is almost worse than Mag's high volume posting. I'm not even reading all these posts, and I'm sure others aren't either.

Originally Posted by Renegade

Could you condense your posts a bit PQ into like a handful of posts rather than a page.?

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I am in a vulnerable position as ppl want me gone. So people who dont want me gone are by definition bussing me. Loldebite made a false statement or two but is sleeping. SB16 went apeshit over my amazing expectation that the count of mafia is 3 and not 2. What a fucking joke. I will fight for my life, unlike Frinckles.

your (what seems like a) 100 posts makes me want to policy you. this is almost worse than Mag's high volume posting. I'm not even reading all these posts, and I'm sure others aren't either.

[QUOTE=Lag;951513]So this is why you should claim:

I'm not Medic. I'm Voter.

Oliver had it correct here:



The voters jobs are to provide WIFOM for the medic. I wanted to get ahead of that and just claim Medic right out.

And then two people claimed Voter, so I assumed mission accomplished, the real medic is covered.

But then Paopan didn't rescind his medic claim. Meaning actually a states attorney or congressman claimed voter??

And then you refused to claim your role as well?

Things getting super screwy in a bad way, and now people accusing me of being states attorney that voted for myself. Feels like I'm being set up by a wolf states attorney that claimed voter to take advantage of a voter claiming medic in order to frame them + get away with doing scummy actions with their now concealed states attorney power.[/QUOTE]

are you seriously using a post from the first hour of the day as a reason on why we should mass claim? something you've been trying to get us to do for a while? SCUM POINTS. I wanted to know why MM and SB claimed.

in addition to all that, because of these lies, this makes me further not want to claim. i think it's a good idea to protect state attorney, as i don't disagree with their anon vote on you.

Originally Posted by Lag

So this is why you should claim:

I'm not Medic. I'm Voter.

Oliver had it correct here:



The voters jobs are to provide WIFOM for the medic. I wanted to get ahead of that and just claim Medic right out.

And then two people claimed Voter, so I assumed mission accomplished, the real medic is covered.

But then Paopan didn't rescind his medic claim. Meaning actually a states attorney or congressman claimed voter??

And then you refused to claim your role as well?

Things getting super screwy in a bad way, and now people accusing me of being states attorney that voted for myself. Feels like I'm being set up by a wolf states attorney that claimed voter to take advantage of a voter claiming medic in order to frame them + get away with doing scummy actions with their now concealed states attorney power.

are you seriously using a post from the first hour of the day as a reason on why we should mass claim? something you've been trying to get us to do for a while? SCUM POINTS. I wanted to know why MM and SB claimed.

in addition to all that, because of these lies, this makes me further not want to claim. i think it's a good idea to protect state attorney, as i don't disagree with their anon vote on you.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951511]Scum team: MM/Paopan/SB16
Watch list: Gikkle, Loldebite, Oliver

My vote will not be outside of those above. And yes, MM will continue saying Lag and I are scum bla bla. If Lag or Oliver pocketed me as scum here, then good job and you deserve the win. But I dont think so.[/QUOTE]

Doo you admit to posting in the congresspeople chat after saying that you liked my idea for congress people NOT to use the chat??

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Scum team: MM/Paopan/SB16
Watch list: Gikkle, Loldebite, Oliver

My vote will not be outside of those above. And yes, MM will continue saying Lag and I are scum bla bla. If Lag or Oliver pocketed me as scum here, then good job and you deserve the win. But I dont think so.

Doo you admit to posting in the congresspeople chat after saying that you liked my idea for congress people NOT to use the chat??

I promise I'm not trying to give anyone busy work, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable giving game information to everyone (and the scum team) if someone pulls the posts for me on why sb and mm both decided to out themselves, or if someone can give me some sort of summary and reasoning on why I should claim.

I promise I'm not trying to give anyone busy work, but I'd feel a lot more comfortable giving game information to everyone (and the scum team) if someone pulls the posts for me on why sb and mm both decided to out themselves, or if someone can give me some sort of summary and reasoning on why I should claim.

[QUOTE=Gikkle;951002][MENTION=6527]Voss[/MENTION]
Obviously, this was quite a while ago, but tell me how this has changed, if at all. Describe what made things change. I wanna know your thought processes and how your reads have developed, basically.[/QUOTE]

If I take this literally, it seems like you want to know what my reads were at #562, and why I changed them from this post

[QUOTE=Voss;950789]

Town (sort of ordered)
Renegade
MM
Gikkle
Stealth
Oliverz
PQRnHack

Town lean
Lag
Guiro

Can go
Frinkles
Paopan[/QUOTE]

I'm going to actually take it to mean, in day 2, give me a better reads progression on how your list changes as you read day 2. I think this'll be more useful, and give me less busy work, as I only have so much time to play this game per day.

@ me if you actually want me to do the literal request, as I'll stop being so thorough when I read day 2 and switch back to the homework you gave me.

[MENTION=45931]Gikkle[/MENTION]

Originally Posted by Gikkle

@Voss
Obviously, this was quite a while ago, but tell me how this has changed, if at all. Describe what made things change. I wanna know your thought processes and how your reads have developed, basically.

If I take this literally, it seems like you want to know what my reads were at #562, and why I changed them from this post

Originally Posted by Voss

Town (sort of ordered)
Renegade
MM
Gikkle
Stealth
Oliverz
PQRnHack

Town lean
Lag
Guiro

Can go
Frinkles
Paopan

I'm going to actually take it to mean, in day 2, give me a better reads progression on how your list changes as you read day 2. I think this'll be more useful, and give me less busy work, as I only have so much time to play this game per day.

@ me if you actually want me to do the literal request, as I'll stop being so thorough when I read day 2 and switch back to the homework you gave me.

@Gikkle

[QUOTE=Renegade;951490]A thunderdome for the express purpose of killing a medic claim is a stupid as fuck idea independent of if I think Lag is SA.

So no, not gonna happen today.

If lag gets lynched its for other reasons.[/QUOTE]

this is why I have ren as a strong strong town lean.

Originally Posted by Renegade

A thunderdome for the express purpose of killing a medic claim is a stupid as fuck idea independent of if I think Lag is SA.

So no, not gonna happen today.

If lag gets lynched its for other reasons.

this is why I have ren as a strong strong town lean.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951482]Strange language you are using there. I was being genuine: it is a reasonable request for me to ask that you finish the roleclaim, as only YOU have no claimed yet. In any event here is the lie (or at least a failure on facts, i said it later that im not sure if legit intended or not, i even have my own hypothesis on this but lolde ignores me so whatever) in red color. Lolde never really bothered to give 2 shits about it either, since I did reveal it myself as no one else knew the answer.




And my later statements since no one else does my homework for me.[/QUOTE]

So the lie is not about your reasoning for voting Frinckles. It's about when you voted him, and if you changed your vote.

First off, your quoted posts here do not actually disprove loldebite. What would have been the correct posts to pull were the posts with your votes throughout the day. That being said, I do think I recall you voting for other people, so yeah this is technically a lie.

But based off the posts I pulled, it really seems like you mainly commented on Frinckles for the majority of your posts. The other posts were to respond to Paopan (fluff) which Guillo called you out about, and maybe something about Lag/oliver? Oh and being really defensive with 2 votes on you.

Point being, while you may not have been on Frinckles for 46 hours of the day, you did tunnel just on him for the majority of the posts, so I'd fault loldebite a lot less than your actual reaction to it was. If you had a little more content about other interactions, your response might have been justified.

Also, the fact that you posted so many little posts about this doesn't make me look at your slot as favorably as in D1. I just get this really defensive vibe from when loldebite called you out on something. Like, my time was wasted trying to find your other justification for voting frinckles. But it was about when you voted and who else you voted. That would have been an easier ISO hunt. And super easy for you with only 10 pages of posts.

I'd probably vote you, but I'm not voting anyone until nearer to EoD, and until I read d2.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Strange language you are using there. I was being genuine: it is a reasonable request for me to ask that you finish the roleclaim, as only YOU have no claimed yet. In any event here is the lie (or at least a failure on facts, i said it later that im not sure if legit intended or not, i even have my own hypothesis on this but lolde ignores me so whatever) in red color. Lolde never really bothered to give 2 shits about it either, since I did reveal it myself as no one else knew the answer.




And my later statements since no one else does my homework for me.

So the lie is not about your reasoning for voting Frinckles. It's about when you voted him, and if you changed your vote.

First off, your quoted posts here do not actually disprove loldebite. What would have been the correct posts to pull were the posts with your votes throughout the day. That being said, I do think I recall you voting for other people, so yeah this is technically a lie.

But based off the posts I pulled, it really seems like you mainly commented on Frinckles for the majority of your posts. The other posts were to respond to Paopan (fluff) which Guillo called you out about, and maybe something about Lag/oliver? Oh and being really defensive with 2 votes on you.

Point being, while you may not have been on Frinckles for 46 hours of the day, you did tunnel just on him for the majority of the posts, so I'd fault loldebite a lot less than your actual reaction to it was. If you had a little more content about other interactions, your response might have been justified.

Also, the fact that you posted so many little posts about this doesn't make me look at your slot as favorably as in D1. I just get this really defensive vibe from when loldebite called you out on something. Like, my time was wasted trying to find your other justification for voting frinckles. But it was about when you voted and who else you voted. That would have been an easier ISO hunt. And super easy for you with only 10 pages of posts.

I'd probably vote you, but I'm not voting anyone until nearer to EoD, and until I read d2.

[QUOTE=Voss;951480]no. you tell me what part of that post is, because you have no reason to hide this. i haven't read the justification for open claiming, and if it's shit, i'm not going to do it.

why are you being so hostile?[/QUOTE]

sooner you get back to me, sooner i read day 2 to judge whether i reveal my role.

Originally Posted by Voss

no. you tell me what part of that post is, because you have no reason to hide this. i haven't read the justification for open claiming, and if it's shit, i'm not going to do it.

why are you being so hostile?

sooner you get back to me, sooner i read day 2 to judge whether i reveal my role.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951477]I will, after you tell us your role, you are the only one who has not open-claimed.[/QUOTE]

no. you tell me what part of that post is, because you have no reason to hide this. i haven't read the justification for open claiming, and if it's shit, i'm not going to do it.

why are you being so hostile?

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

I will, after you tell us your role, you are the only one who has not open-claimed.

no. you tell me what part of that post is, because you have no reason to hide this. i haven't read the justification for open claiming, and if it's shit, i'm not going to do it.

why are you being so hostile?

[QUOTE=Loldebite;951413]If you insist :

Marshmallow Marshall Gov'nor
NotPaopan Medic/State attorney
Lag Medic/State attorney
Gikkle Voter
Loldebite Voter
PQRnHack Congressman
oliverz144 Congressman
Voss Congressman?
Renegade Mayor
Stealthbomber16 Judge[/QUOTE]

i'm not going to say where and by how much, but, this list is incorrect.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

If you insist :

Marshmallow Marshall Gov'nor
NotPaopan Medic/State attorney
Lag Medic/State attorney
Gikkle Voter
Loldebite Voter
PQRnHack Congressman
oliverz144 Congressman
Voss Congressman?
Renegade Mayor
Stealthbomber16 Judge

i'm not going to say where and by how much, but, this list is incorrect.

[MENTION=12998]PQRnHack[/MENTION] plz

@PQRnHack plz

PQRNHack, could you tell me which part of loldebite's post is a lie? I found all the necessary posts

[QUOTE=Loldebite;950990]I agree with MM and also think PQR is scum, both for his reckless vote on Frinckles (he voted Frinckles 2h into D1 and didnt vote anywhere else until he was dead, based on what ? He justified afterwards saying "out of character fluff". 2h into D1. This is obviously a made-up excuse. IMO thought about in hindsight to look less like he did in the OUaTitW game.
I guess renegade was kinda right : PQR [I]was[/I] extremely confident about his Frinckles vote.

I agree with SB that the attorney vote is likely NAI. Same has to be said about Governor/Judge, i fear.[/QUOTE]

(I haven't caught up with the claims and thunderdome or whatever yet)

PQRNHack, could you tell me which part of loldebite's post is a lie? I found all the necessary posts

Originally Posted by Loldebite

I agree with MM and also think PQR is scum, both for his reckless vote on Frinckles (he voted Frinckles 2h into D1 and didnt vote anywhere else until he was dead, based on what ? He justified afterwards saying "out of character fluff". 2h into D1. This is obviously a made-up excuse. IMO thought about in hindsight to look less like he did in the OUaTitW game.
I guess renegade was kinda right : PQR was extremely confident about his Frinckles vote.

I agree with SB that the attorney vote is likely NAI. Same has to be said about Governor/Judge, i fear.

(I haven't caught up with the claims and thunderdome or whatever yet)

[QUOTE=Voss;951090]But you know your posts better than I do. If I have to hunt for it, and can't find it, I'm going to vote you.[/QUOTE]

I'm going to work for 2 more hours then start reading here. Just wanted to let people know so I don't get accused of coasting.

My homework is to remake my reads list and say why I move people (for gikkle) and look into why pqrnhack voted for frinckles (aka find the lie)

Originally Posted by Voss

But you know your posts better than I do. If I have to hunt for it, and can't find it, I'm going to vote you.

I'm going to work for 2 more hours then start reading here. Just wanted to let people know so I don't get accused of coasting.

My homework is to remake my reads list and say why I move people (for gikkle) and look into why pqrnhack voted for frinckles (aka find the lie)

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951087]And no, i aint going to do the homework for everyone else. Even you, SB16, could go and find the lie. The fact that you are pressuring me instead of pointing out that Loldebite has a fallacy is BULLSHIT. I am already in a corner defending myself as I can, and you want to pressure me to provide an excuse for my accuser? fuck off![/QUOTE]

But you know your posts better than I do. If I have to hunt for it, and can't find it, I'm going to vote you.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

And no, i aint going to do the homework for everyone else. Even you, SB16, could go and find the lie. The fact that you are pressuring me instead of pointing out that Loldebite has a fallacy is BULLSHIT. I am already in a corner defending myself as I can, and you want to pressure me to provide an excuse for my accuser? fuck off!

But you know your posts better than I do. If I have to hunt for it, and can't find it, I'm going to vote you.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951080]Gonna call you out on this. Since you are more determined than I am, what info will Voss lynch give us?

And how do you figure State Attorney on scum team, considering they chose not to use their ability N1?[/QUOTE]

Likely you would be put under a spotlight, in the alternative universe where I'm scum aligned.

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Gonna call you out on this. Since you are more determined than I am, what info will Voss lynch give us?

And how do you figure State Attorney on scum team, considering they chose not to use their ability N1?

Likely you would be put under a spotlight, in the alternative universe where I'm scum aligned.

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951053]BTW let me flip it on you: what is it that you didnt really like?[/QUOTE]

I think the onus is on you to find the post disproving how loldebite is scum flinging

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

BTW let me flip it on you: what is it that you didnt really like?

I think the onus is on you to find the post disproving how loldebite is scum flinging

[QUOTE=PQRnHack;951032]Well there's a lie, so [vote]Loldebite[/vote].
Check your facts and come back to me.[/QUOTE]

I actually also didn't really like this post. Why is this a lie?

Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Well there's a lie, so

-vote Loldebite

.
Check your facts and come back to me.

I actually also didn't really like this post. Why is this a lie?