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[QUOTE=TheClowns;971267]If it matters, Jelly’s claim matches what she told me in chat.[/QUOTE]

You also claimed mason, which... last I checked, can't recruit anti-town...?

Originally Posted by TheClowns

If it matters, Jelly’s claim matches what she told me in chat.

You also claimed mason, which... last I checked, can't recruit anti-town...?

[QUOTE=Frinckles;971263]That donut is evil as HECK. [vote]10000JellyDoughnuts[/vote][/QUOTE]

Notably, you're scum. But I will indulge you.

[Vote]10000JellyDoughnuts[/Vote]

Originally Posted by Frinckles

That donut is evil as HECK.

-vote 10000JellyDoughnuts

Notably, you're scum. But I will indulge you.

-vote 10000JellyDoughnuts

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;971229]Anyway, here’s where we’re at so far.
Clowns can’t die today, as much as that pains me, because he can’t be janitor.
MM can’t die because he’s fruit vendor (theoretically as long as he didn’t give fruit to Martin which would make me incredibly suspicious)
AT can’t die because they’re architect
Martin and jmw will be able to confirm my role as not janitor today as my actions directly confirmed to both of them that I am not janitor.
Somebody is the mod poster, which isn’t janitor.
Somebody will be able to confirm Martin further today by confirming his investigative result

So we need claims from Bakura, Frinckles, Snom and Jelly. Am I missing anybody?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;971261]Ok so you are not confirmable is what I’m hearing. I can’t confirm that.[/QUOTE]

To be honest, I think I got pranked with my role. It noteably doesn't redirect the factional either. :/

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Anyway, here’s where we’re at so far.
Clowns can’t die today, as much as that pains me, because he can’t be janitor.
MM can’t die because he’s fruit vendor (theoretically as long as he didn’t give fruit to Martin which would make me incredibly suspicious)
AT can’t die because they’re architect
Martin and jmw will be able to confirm my role as not janitor today as my actions directly confirmed to both of them that I am not janitor.
Somebody is the mod poster, which isn’t janitor.
Somebody will be able to confirm Martin further today by confirming his investigative result

So we need claims from Bakura, Frinckles, Snom and Jelly. Am I missing anybody?

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Ok so you are not confirmable is what I’m hearing. I can’t confirm that.

To be honest, I think I got pranked with my role. It noteably doesn't redirect the factional either. :/

As far as I know, nothing got redirected to me, but both nights were processed.

As far as I know, nothing got redirected to me, but both nights were processed.

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;971229]Anyway, here’s where we’re at so far.
Clowns can’t die today, as much as that pains me, because he can’t be janitor.
MM can’t die because he’s fruit vendor (theoretically as long as he didn’t give fruit to Martin which would make me incredibly suspicious)
AT can’t die because they’re architect
Martin and jmw will be able to confirm my role as not janitor today as my actions directly confirmed to both of them that I am not janitor.
Somebody is the mod poster, which isn’t janitor.
Somebody will be able to confirm Martin further today by confirming his investigative result

So we need claims from Bakura, Frinckles, Snom and Jelly. Am I missing anybody?[/QUOTE]

Cat is out of the bag.

Town Three-Shot Victim. I can target someone at night, and if they are performing an negative action, it gets redirected to me.

Targeted SB/Aporia N1
Targeted Frinckles N3

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Anyway, here’s where we’re at so far.
Clowns can’t die today, as much as that pains me, because he can’t be janitor.
MM can’t die because he’s fruit vendor (theoretically as long as he didn’t give fruit to Martin which would make me incredibly suspicious)
AT can’t die because they’re architect
Martin and jmw will be able to confirm my role as not janitor today as my actions directly confirmed to both of them that I am not janitor.
Somebody is the mod poster, which isn’t janitor.
Somebody will be able to confirm Martin further today by confirming his investigative result

So we need claims from Bakura, Frinckles, Snom and Jelly. Am I missing anybody?

Cat is out of the bag.

Town Three-Shot Victim. I can target someone at night, and if they are performing an negative action, it gets redirected to me.

Targeted SB/Aporia N1
Targeted Frinckles N3

What the garbage happened with Oliverz who didn't do an action n1? I am so confused.

What the garbage happened with Oliverz who didn't do an action n1? I am so confused.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;971086]Wasn't Ashoka an [I]architect[/I] (not a [I]mason[/I])? Also, why does it look like Jelly is not confirming this lol[/QUOTE]

Yea, that's why I'm curious why he didn't CC.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Wasn't Ashoka an architect (not a mason)? Also, why does it look like Jelly is not confirming this lol

Yea, that's why I'm curious why he didn't CC.

[QUOTE=TheClowns;971085]I did tell you. Pretty sure I did anyway.[/QUOTE]

You just said you did it. Not your role.

Originally Posted by TheClowns

I did tell you. Pretty sure I did anyway.

You just said you did it. Not your role.

[QUOTE=TheClowns;971082]The other head here
the one that called people trolls in my reads list.....

Thats just how I observe people Idk what red flag you are talking about there since they were my D1 gut reads and D1 doesn't have much to go off of anyway[/QUOTE]

If you guys are a mason, why did one of you suspect me. Better question, why didn't you tell me. Why didn't you hardclaim as soon as it went through on the next day. ?????

Originally Posted by TheClowns

The other head here
the one that called people trolls in my reads list.....

Thats just how I observe people Idk what red flag you are talking about there since they were my D1 gut reads and D1 doesn't have much to go off of anyway

If you guys are a mason, why did one of you suspect me. Better question, why didn't you tell me. Why didn't you hardclaim as soon as it went through on the next day. ?????

[QUOTE=TheClowns;971080]Anyway, I’m a town mason. I can make a mason chat. I did so with jelly. It closed.[/QUOTE]

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Originally Posted by TheClowns

Anyway, I’m a town mason. I can make a mason chat. I did so with jelly. It closed.

?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971044]What fake interaction?

And "side-argument" is because nobody else is acknowledging it

in fact I literally had to bring it to your attention just now for you to notice it[/QUOTE]

Yea, that's the point. It's a "look at me" post. Seems fake, like you need someone to acknowledge there's scumhunting here. I think it's oliverz driving it, taking a look at his ISO, and he has a lot of points brought up in bad faith.

[Vote]oliverz144[/Vote]

Originally Posted by Bakura1

What fake interaction?

And "side-argument" is because nobody else is acknowledging it

in fact I literally had to bring it to your attention just now for you to notice it

Yea, that's the point. It's a "look at me" post. Seems fake, like you need someone to acknowledge there's scumhunting here. I think it's oliverz driving it, taking a look at his ISO, and he has a lot of points brought up in bad faith.

-vote oliverz144

Bakura and Oliverz have a fake interaction with each other. Currently they are voting each other, and Bakura and Oliverz have a weird side-argument that went unnoticed. Could see an Oliverz flip as scum.

Bakura and Oliverz have a fake interaction with each other. Currently they are voting each other, and Bakura and Oliverz have a weird side-argument that went unnoticed. Could see an Oliverz flip as scum.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;971018]You are "pretty sure" you flip town?!?
Claiming coroner now?!??!?[/QUOTE]
No. This is nitpicking at its finest. If you are going to think something is wrong with my posts, actually point something problematic out.
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971024][vote]TheClowns[/vote]

Separately:

Jelly didn't care to check on their vote after I brought up the fact that they did an incorrect vote. [SIZE=1]technically they implied they did but:[/SIZE]



I feel its scummy since Jelly literally is alive because three people couldn't type right on d2, making the impact of such an issue obvious to them, and the fact that Jelly for some reason cares just enough to hide their reasons a bit. They are practically inexplicable because I feel like this just disproves the possibility of neither ignorance nor carelessness (from a town slot's perspective) as explanations for their behavior so far.[/QUOTE]

I mean. The reason I'm hesitant of claiming is that it makes my role kinda bad, so I would prefer to delay it. I also don't really care too much about self-pres when I'm not under the spotlight. If I die, then everything that makes sense will reveal in my will.

I'll make this clear, after further calculations, I have [B] soft mechanical evidence[/B] for Aporia/SB slot.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

You are "pretty sure" you flip town?!?
Claiming coroner now?!??!?

No. This is nitpicking at its finest. If you are going to think something is wrong with my posts, actually point something problematic out.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

-vote TheClowns

Separately:

Jelly didn't care to check on their vote after I brought up the fact that they did an incorrect vote. technically they implied they did but:



I feel its scummy since Jelly literally is alive because three people couldn't type right on d2, making the impact of such an issue obvious to them, and the fact that Jelly for some reason cares just enough to hide their reasons a bit. They are practically inexplicable because I feel like this just disproves the possibility of neither ignorance nor carelessness (from a town slot's perspective) as explanations for their behavior so far.

I mean. The reason I'm hesitant of claiming is that it makes my role kinda bad, so I would prefer to delay it. I also don't really care too much about self-pres when I'm not under the spotlight. If I die, then everything that makes sense will reveal in my will.

I'll make this clear, after further calculations, I have soft mechanical evidence for Aporia/SB slot.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;970983]And hey, don't get me wrong. The fact that Jelly/Clowns basically rolled up, said they were in a chat and walked away (refusing to elaborate) is scummy for both of them. I'm just focused on my own theory about a specific shaman.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure I explained everything I could, not sure what you are confused about.
[QUOTE=Bakura1;971010]Oh yeah also


you never explained what those reasons were [MENTION=46278]10000JellyDoughnuts[/MENTION]

And [MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION] you never responded to this:[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty confident that I'll flip town, so I'm not really worried I'll die. My will gives better reasoning, but I targeted Aporia N1 and received information. I did some calculations in my head, and determine while the slot was scummy, the mechanics track. TL;DR: Less likely scum, I'll be happy to reveal in my will.



Missed quoting the post, but I think Oliver said Clowns and I have to be scum because opening post says maf don't get daychat, and ours closed middle of day 2? That's a bad argument. If a chat is exclusive to a phase, it doesn't... not be exclusive for half of a phase.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

And hey, don't get me wrong. The fact that Jelly/Clowns basically rolled up, said they were in a chat and walked away (refusing to elaborate) is scummy for both of them. I'm just focused on my own theory about a specific shaman.

Pretty sure I explained everything I could, not sure what you are confused about.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Oh yeah also


you never explained what those reasons were @10000JellyDoughnuts

And @Stealthbomber16 you never responded to this:

I'm pretty confident that I'll flip town, so I'm not really worried I'll die. My will gives better reasoning, but I targeted Aporia N1 and received information. I did some calculations in my head, and determine while the slot was scummy, the mechanics track. TL;DR: Less likely scum, I'll be happy to reveal in my will.



Missed quoting the post, but I think Oliver said Clowns and I have to be scum because opening post says maf don't get daychat, and ours closed middle of day 2? That's a bad argument. If a chat is exclusive to a phase, it doesn't... not be exclusive for half of a phase.

[QUOTE=Bakura1;970921]Also oliver made a crappy argument as to why he couldn't have written the thing about "town being shaken and destroyed" which just made him look guilty

the points against him just keep piling up, but for some reason his wagon keeps losing steam, which I don't like

I still think he's the best lynch here today [vote]oliverz144[/vote]


You agreed that Aporia was definitely the one who mentioned coaching, and yet after that you ignore the slot and go for Ashoka. Why is that?


But I wouldn't have known that Ewian was neutral, and S!me could've done it for town cred when he flipped

Also out of curiosity, what was the thing you misattributed to me originally, and what would you say your townread on me is like now?[/QUOTE]

I have my reasons. I think Ashoka is more likely scum than Aporia.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;970946][vote]10000JellyDoughnuts[/vote]

Voted aporia (SB16's slot) d2 but came in to vote one of SB16's earlier suspects.....with an incomplete vote[/QUOTE]

I have no idea which vote you're referring to. Also bussing [I]is[/I] a tactic

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Also oliver made a crappy argument as to why he couldn't have written the thing about "town being shaken and destroyed" which just made him look guilty

the points against him just keep piling up, but for some reason his wagon keeps losing steam, which I don't like

I still think he's the best lynch here today

-vote oliverz144

You agreed that Aporia was definitely the one who mentioned coaching, and yet after that you ignore the slot and go for Ashoka. Why is that?


But I wouldn't have known that Ewian was neutral, and S!me could've done it for town cred when he flipped

Also out of curiosity, what was the thing you misattributed to me originally, and what would you say your townread on me is like now?

I have my reasons. I think Ashoka is more likely scum than Aporia.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

-vote 10000JellyDoughnuts

Voted aporia (SB16's slot) d2 but came in to vote one of SB16's earlier suspects.....with an incomplete vote

I have no idea which vote you're referring to. Also bussing is a tactic

[QUOTE=jmw;970906]Can someone outline which chats we had exactly on what nights?[/QUOTE]

Sure. Clowns and I were in a chat starting N1. It closed when the event did not go through.

Originally Posted by jmw

Can someone outline which chats we had exactly on what nights?

Sure. Clowns and I were in a chat starting N1. It closed when the event did not go through.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;970775]I had a strong town-read on them for their rather unusual and sudden d1 play imo

Though its lessened a bit now since I realized last night Ashoka had to "confirm" the upgrade [I]after[/I] they had already said if there was an early hammer there would be a chat of just me + jmw.

Regardless though, they claimed the upgrade meant they can now do three-people chats. Ideally, all we have to do is wait a day-phase to test that, as its a day-phase action and occurs during the night.[/QUOTE]
This would confirm that they had the role, not that they are town. I am hesitant to believe every chat created was done so by a town, and I am more likely to consider Clowns town than Ashoka. Our chat was closed, unfortunately, and I grilled the heads for information. Ashoka has not displayed any good reads, meanwhile, I have clowns on record.

So it is very suspicious a lot of people, including yourself, have them as a top townie.
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;970777][U]part of my LW[/U]:

[B]Gun-To-Head (force a good/bad guess) feelings as of p#928[/B]:

Ashoka Tano = Good
jmw = Good
Bakura = Bad
Drizzt = Good -- For better or worse (probably worse for town) Drizzt has effectively missed two ties now. --
Aporia/Stealthbomber16 = Good
Frinckles = Bad
oliverz = Bad
Marshmallow Marshall = Good
mreevee = Good
Jelly = Bad
Clowns = I don't freaking know

[B]Sidenote[/B]:



If what ewian's LW said is true: There are few people who would do this arrogant use of "shaken and destroyed" imo. I don't know about the word "coaching" though, as I've almost never encountered it being used in all my 30-40 games of Forum Mafia. Without making a wall-post, it probably would have to be Frinckles, Bakura, or whoever Bakura had that chat with.[/QUOTE]
Coaching is used often in HPM, so that surprisingly narrows it down
[QUOTE=Bakura1;970823]At HPM we use the word coaching a lot. Idk how often we actually do it, but that was most likely from one of our players. So that would mean it's either Jelly, Clowns, Oliver, or Aporia

I heavily doubt that Oliver would even use that word though, and I don't think Jelly or Clowns would coach anyone either. I think it's very likely to be Aporia, and Bomber's play here is to quickly get a town leader position.

Also hecking Eevee why no last will[/QUOTE]
Aporia definitely.
[QUOTE=Frinckles;970833]Without delving into your reads yet, I can tell you now I don't speak with that rhetoric.

"Shaken and destroyed" is a bit cheesy. The theatrics say MM/Bakura/Oliver to me. I can quote theatrical fluff from MM if you'd like.

[Vote]Marshmallow Marshall[/vote][/QUOTE]
I would not think it is Bakura in this case. Could not see Oliver saying it either, outside their general posting habits
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;970840]Alright, I do believe scum architect is more and more possible due to how wild roles appear to be. That being said, the Discord chat in which I was invited with jmw did not have anyone but jmw and the hosts in it, so unless the hosts had a copypasta party with Ashoka, Ashoka really didn't see what we said lol. As for Eevee's death, it doesn't take special scum knowledge to realize an upgrader claim is super easily confirmable, so this point is moot.

The only things I really take into consideration here are:

- Scum architect is possible
- Ashoka lacks contribution reads-wise when it comes to behaviors and all
- Ashoka may have been given a bit too much of a free pass and should be reevaluated
- Stealthbomber is coming in with a MASSIVE energy and reads, and I haven't seen anything I do not positively like for now, so if someone wants to eat the blue berry that is not a blueberry, they will have to have a damn good reason to convince me[/QUOTE]
Yeaaaaaaaaaaaa. I am not a fan of the slot before he came in. Should definitely look at Ashoka though.
[QUOTE=Bakura1;970888]Also where have Jelly and Jmw been today?[/QUOTE]
Labor Day + Homework + Lazy + L + Ratio'ed.

[Vote]Ashoka[/Vote]

I am totally fine being killed, my will has been updated and I will no longer be barred from saying the truth. :)

Interesting NK though...

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

I had a strong town-read on them for their rather unusual and sudden d1 play imo

Though its lessened a bit now since I realized last night Ashoka had to "confirm" the upgrade after they had already said if there was an early hammer there would be a chat of just me + jmw.

Regardless though, they claimed the upgrade meant they can now do three-people chats. Ideally, all we have to do is wait a day-phase to test that, as its a day-phase action and occurs during the night.

This would confirm that they had the role, not that they are town. I am hesitant to believe every chat created was done so by a town, and I am more likely to consider Clowns town than Ashoka. Our chat was closed, unfortunately, and I grilled the heads for information. Ashoka has not displayed any good reads, meanwhile, I have clowns on record.

So it is very suspicious a lot of people, including yourself, have them as a top townie.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

part of my LW:

Gun-To-Head (force a good/bad guess) feelings as of p#928:

Ashoka Tano = Good
jmw = Good
Bakura = Bad
Drizzt = Good -- For better or worse (probably worse for town) Drizzt has effectively missed two ties now. --
Aporia/Stealthbomber16 = Good
Frinckles = Bad
oliverz = Bad
Marshmallow Marshall = Good
mreevee = Good
Jelly = Bad
Clowns = I don't freaking know

Sidenote:



If what ewian's LW said is true: There are few people who would do this arrogant use of "shaken and destroyed" imo. I don't know about the word "coaching" though, as I've almost never encountered it being used in all my 30-40 games of Forum Mafia. Without making a wall-post, it probably would have to be Frinckles, Bakura, or whoever Bakura had that chat with.

Coaching is used often in HPM, so that surprisingly narrows it down

Originally Posted by Bakura1

At HPM we use the word coaching a lot. Idk how often we actually do it, but that was most likely from one of our players. So that would mean it's either Jelly, Clowns, Oliver, or Aporia

I heavily doubt that Oliver would even use that word though, and I don't think Jelly or Clowns would coach anyone either. I think it's very likely to be Aporia, and Bomber's play here is to quickly get a town leader position.

Also hecking Eevee why no last will

Aporia definitely.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Without delving into your reads yet, I can tell you now I don't speak with that rhetoric.

"Shaken and destroyed" is a bit cheesy. The theatrics say MM/Bakura/Oliver to me. I can quote theatrical fluff from MM if you'd like.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

I would not think it is Bakura in this case. Could not see Oliver saying it either, outside their general posting habits

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Alright, I do believe scum architect is more and more possible due to how wild roles appear to be. That being said, the Discord chat in which I was invited with jmw did not have anyone but jmw and the hosts in it, so unless the hosts had a copypasta party with Ashoka, Ashoka really didn't see what we said lol. As for Eevee's death, it doesn't take special scum knowledge to realize an upgrader claim is super easily confirmable, so this point is moot.

The only things I really take into consideration here are:

- Scum architect is possible
- Ashoka lacks contribution reads-wise when it comes to behaviors and all
- Ashoka may have been given a bit too much of a free pass and should be reevaluated
- Stealthbomber is coming in with a MASSIVE energy and reads, and I haven't seen anything I do not positively like for now, so if someone wants to eat the blue berry that is not a blueberry, they will have to have a damn good reason to convince me

Yeaaaaaaaaaaaa. I am not a fan of the slot before he came in. Should definitely look at Ashoka though.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Also where have Jelly and Jmw been today?

Labor Day + Homework + Lazy + L + Ratio'ed.

-vote Ashoka

I am totally fine being killed, my will has been updated and I will no longer be barred from saying the truth.

Interesting NK though...

[QUOTE=Aporia;970743]I don't get in what worldview they have that specific read of the hydra though lol. Maybe in a different hyda with higher D1 conflict? Might be worth reading a clowns ISO from bakura's pov, idk[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Aporia;970746]Isn't this inconsistent with:[/QUOTE]

No, both make sense to me. I shall elaborate more soon, provided I live.

[vote]ewianking[/vote] self-pres

Originally Posted by Aporia

I don't get in what worldview they have that specific read of the hydra though lol. Maybe in a different hyda with higher D1 conflict? Might be worth reading a clowns ISO from bakura's pov, idk

Originally Posted by Aporia

Isn't this inconsistent with:

No, both make sense to me. I shall elaborate more soon, provided I live.

-vote ewianking

self-pres

[QUOTE=Aporia;970743]I don't get in what worldview they have that specific read of the hydra though lol. Maybe in a different hyda with higher D1 conflict? Might be worth reading a clowns ISO from bakura's pov, idk[/QUOTE]

There's not much in an ISO from Clowns. What I suspect is from our chat, where I grilled them for a solid 20 messages

Originally Posted by Aporia

I don't get in what worldview they have that specific read of the hydra though lol. Maybe in a different hyda with higher D1 conflict? Might be worth reading a clowns ISO from bakura's pov, idk

There's not much in an ISO from Clowns. What I suspect is from our chat, where I grilled them for a solid 20 messages

[QUOTE=Aporia;970740]I'll be honest, I don't get why you're more inclined to read this as "scum hesitant votes" than a townie hesitant to vote because of capital-U Uncertainty. I am skeptical that any townie here is that confident in their reads, and I don't like that you're projecting a town meta of confidence onto me![/QUOTE]

I'm not. I am saying this is a lot of waffling. I think it's scum motivated, however, I am just pointing out how it is for everyone else who didn't notice this.

Originally Posted by Aporia

I'll be honest, I don't get why you're more inclined to read this as "scum hesitant votes" than a townie hesitant to vote because of capital-U Uncertainty. I am skeptical that any townie here is that confident in their reads, and I don't like that you're projecting a town meta of confidence onto me!

I'm not. I am saying this is a lot of waffling. I think it's scum motivated, however, I am just pointing out how it is for everyone else who didn't notice this.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;970736][Vote]10000JellyDoughnuts[/vote]

A-HA I CAUGHT YOU SCUM. I WANTED JELLY THE WHOLE TIME.[/QUOTE]

Am I being pranked?

Originally Posted by Frinckles

-vote 10000JellyDoughnuts

A-HA I CAUGHT YOU SCUM. I WANTED JELLY THE WHOLE TIME.

Am I being pranked?

[QUOTE=Frinckles;970733][Vote]ewianking[/vote][/QUOTE]

???? Don't get me wrong, I like this because I want to live, but another HPM Special upcoming? This is really weird.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

-vote ewianking

???? Don't get me wrong, I like this because I want to live, but another HPM Special upcoming? This is really weird.

[QUOTE=Aporia;970207]I don't see anything in Jelly's posts that indicate she's >rand scum. I'm more leaning towards the position that scumreading deathworld for setup spec is wrong now though.[/QUOTE]
First post where he believes I am not scum
[QUOTE=Aporia;970586]Also hey, if you wanna lynch me, it's Aporia, not Aphoria. Let's try not to turn the next lynch into something like Jelly's wagon, shall we?


This thought didn't get posted D1, but - I really find this read scummy. I personally felt a bit stupid scumreading deathworld for that setup spec when it became clear there expectation around # of neuts was reasonable within sc2 games (and, at least tonereading jmw as well, they changed their mind pretty quick when they read the sc2 room, so to speak) so Jelly still seeing TMI here feels less reasonable and more like a fake scum read to me. I also disagree with the "seems like a way to look like contributing" bit since setup spec [I]is[/I] a reasonable form of contribution and I don't see evidence that the analysis was faked. Not [I]super[/I] useful, but within reasonable bounds for RVS.[/QUOTE]

Then he progresses to me being scum, reasonable given my points
[QUOTE=Aporia;970587]Last post of the night - I buy a Jelly/Clown scumteam; them claiming to be in a chat with each other is a ~0 risk play as scum and gets clowns a few town brownie points.[/QUOTE]
Could see a scum team
[QUOTE=Aporia;970649]Like there's part of me that wants to give Ewian a pass for voting Jelly given the circumstances, but they clearly were doing it on their own and not following a herd, so I think they deserve stricter scrutiny for it[/QUOTE]
Then dislikes the vote on me from Ewian
[QUOTE=Aporia;970685]I think there's a few ways to see it.

Context piece 1: Jelly [I]did[/I] specifically cite the N0 question as possible TMI, which is fair game IMO

Context piece 2: I ask this question, specifically in the context of the # of neutrals in the game:

And get this answer:


...and the answer just feels fake? IDK, "he was confident that the N0 action was town" is a fair argument but the above answer isn't a specific claim; it's just a vague toneread. IDK, I'm trying to run this logic through out loud and hopefully get jelly to respond and elaborate. I'm not wild about lynching them but they're in my PoE.[/QUOTE]
Then says I'm not wild about lynching, but declares I'm in PoE.
[QUOTE=Aporia;970687]I've seen this argument a couple times and I don't actually like the framing; it IS within place given that I kinda walked out of the room EoD1 with the wrong vote. The issue is that her post is completely devoid of reasoning that clarifies this is why she voted me (unlike, say, jmw)[/QUOTE]
Because of the points here.
[QUOTE=Aporia;970689]In terms of "who do I have substantive reasoning for scumreads", it's Jelly > clowns > ewian. There's some stuff with Frinckles that pinged me wrong but I can't specifically articulate it rn. I [I]also[/I] don't really want to lynch Jelly if she's not around. I'll try to cast a vote in an hour or so.[/QUOTE]
Then declares that I am his top scum read, but is hesitant to do so.

This is a lot of waffling back and forth, or hesitant votes trying to distance himself from this elimination. I read this as a scum progression.

Originally Posted by Aporia

I don't see anything in Jelly's posts that indicate she's >rand scum. I'm more leaning towards the position that scumreading deathworld for setup spec is wrong now though.

First post where he believes I am not scum

Originally Posted by Aporia

Also hey, if you wanna lynch me, it's Aporia, not Aphoria. Let's try not to turn the next lynch into something like Jelly's wagon, shall we?


This thought didn't get posted D1, but - I really find this read scummy. I personally felt a bit stupid scumreading deathworld for that setup spec when it became clear there expectation around # of neuts was reasonable within sc2 games (and, at least tonereading jmw as well, they changed their mind pretty quick when they read the sc2 room, so to speak) so Jelly still seeing TMI here feels less reasonable and more like a fake scum read to me. I also disagree with the "seems like a way to look like contributing" bit since setup spec is a reasonable form of contribution and I don't see evidence that the analysis was faked. Not super useful, but within reasonable bounds for RVS.

Then he progresses to me being scum, reasonable given my points

Originally Posted by Aporia

Last post of the night - I buy a Jelly/Clown scumteam; them claiming to be in a chat with each other is a ~0 risk play as scum and gets clowns a few town brownie points.

Could see a scum team

Originally Posted by Aporia

Like there's part of me that wants to give Ewian a pass for voting Jelly given the circumstances, but they clearly were doing it on their own and not following a herd, so I think they deserve stricter scrutiny for it

Then dislikes the vote on me from Ewian

Originally Posted by Aporia

I think there's a few ways to see it.

Context piece 1: Jelly did specifically cite the N0 question as possible TMI, which is fair game IMO

Context piece 2: I ask this question, specifically in the context of the # of neutrals in the game:

And get this answer:


...and the answer just feels fake? IDK, "he was confident that the N0 action was town" is a fair argument but the above answer isn't a specific claim; it's just a vague toneread. IDK, I'm trying to run this logic through out loud and hopefully get jelly to respond and elaborate. I'm not wild about lynching them but they're in my PoE.

Then says I'm not wild about lynching, but declares I'm in PoE.

Originally Posted by Aporia

I've seen this argument a couple times and I don't actually like the framing; it IS within place given that I kinda walked out of the room EoD1 with the wrong vote. The issue is that her post is completely devoid of reasoning that clarifies this is why she voted me (unlike, say, jmw)

Because of the points here.

Originally Posted by Aporia

In terms of "who do I have substantive reasoning for scumreads", it's Jelly > clowns > ewian. There's some stuff with Frinckles that pinged me wrong but I can't specifically articulate it rn. I also don't really want to lynch Jelly if she's not around. I'll try to cast a vote in an hour or so.

Then declares that I am his top scum read, but is hesitant to do so.

This is a lot of waffling back and forth, or hesitant votes trying to distance himself from this elimination. I read this as a scum progression.

[QUOTE=Aporia;970714]Honestly I vastly prefer it when people don't even try to metaread me[/QUOTE]

That's fine, but I also see in your ISO you waffle back and forth between me, and contribute very little. I've not figured out how bulk quote ISO posts yet, but I can point out which ones.

Originally Posted by Aporia

Honestly I vastly prefer it when people don't even try to metaread me

That's fine, but I also see in your ISO you waffle back and forth between me, and contribute very little. I've not figured out how bulk quote ISO posts yet, but I can point out which ones.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;970656]I just ISO'd you, and I don't understand where this post comes from at all. The whole ISO is unimpressive, but this is very strange: there are no posts about Aporia before, your focus was mostly on Deathworlds.[/QUOTE]

Correct. I've been thinking out loud with Clowns before the chat closed, and I was reminded of behavior from the game when I was his cultist. I'll go and ISO parts that pinged me, but until now I was mostly scanning the thread because of exams and homework.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I just ISO'd you, and I don't understand where this post comes from at all. The whole ISO is unimpressive, but this is very strange: there are no posts about Aporia before, your focus was mostly on Deathworlds.

Correct. I've been thinking out loud with Clowns before the chat closed, and I was reminded of behavior from the game when I was his cultist. I'll go and ISO parts that pinged me, but until now I was mostly scanning the thread because of exams and homework.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;970658]Also, if I'm not mistaken, EoD is in 3 hours and a half, and nobody is placing votes??
[COLOR="#FF0000"][SIZE=5]We need to vote.[/SIZE][/COLOR]


[vote]10000JellyDoughnuts[/vote] Please answer my question about your vote on Aporia. I would also appreciate if you could tell me what you think of Frinckles (and his Deathworlds last minute vote), and of Oliverz.

For the record, I am open to getting Frinckles, Oliverz, and Jelly (this one might change depending on what they say rn).[/QUOTE]
Frinckles is very suspicious with his voting power, and if it were between me and him... obviously him.

Oliverz is a tough read, I do not see anything that pings him as scum in my opinion. Let me go find your post about your question, I'll be happy to answer.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;970677]The only major thing pinging me about jelly is how chill they were with the chat/D2 clown no-claim but that's on them.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what you mean there.
[QUOTE=oliverz144;970682][MENTION=46278]10000JellyDoughnuts[/MENTION]

Wanna elaborate?[/QUOTE]

Yea sure. This sort of behavior reminds me of his game as Cult Leader on HPM. He's usually more aggressive than this, and I think he's wanting to slip under the radar.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Also, if I'm not mistaken, EoD is in 3 hours and a half, and nobody is placing votes??
We need to vote.

-vote 10000JellyDoughnuts

Please answer my question about your vote on Aporia. I would also appreciate if you could tell me what you think of Frinckles (and his Deathworlds last minute vote), and of Oliverz.

For the record, I am open to getting Frinckles, Oliverz, and Jelly (this one might change depending on what they say rn).

Frinckles is very suspicious with his voting power, and if it were between me and him... obviously him.

Oliverz is a tough read, I do not see anything that pings him as scum in my opinion. Let me go find your post about your question, I'll be happy to answer.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

The only major thing pinging me about jelly is how chill they were with the chat/D2 clown no-claim but that's on them.

I don't know what you mean there.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

@10000JellyDoughnuts

Wanna elaborate?

Yea sure. This sort of behavior reminds me of his game as Cult Leader on HPM. He's usually more aggressive than this, and I think he's wanting to slip under the radar.

[QUOTE=oliverz144;970635]Hmm. Dreaming god is a hypixel special[/QUOTE]

Exactly

Originally Posted by oliverz144

Hmm. Dreaming god is a hypixel special

Exactly

[QUOTE=Bakura1;970601]Kind of in the mood for some doughnuts now

If Oliver doesn't get lynched I wouldn't mind that as a snack


Where'd you get the pfp
and how long have you had it without telling us


lol Freckles
imagine worldbuilding


lol 2x
Freckles is just panicking so hard here trying to get his hammer because he can't coordinate during the day with his scumteam


dang
Eevee's not holding back
I wouldn't mind a Freckles lynch either


Too bad I already ate all the snacks as I was towncored 2.582 seconds into the game


Lumi can do what?[/QUOTE]

A friend set it to me, I can track down the artist and send it to you.

Also. I am free now. I read the thread, didn't quote anything, so you know, I'll just respond out of context.

I have a thought the event was a Dreaming God. I agree with someone's point that if it were mafia derived, they would coordinate correctly. And considering half the game misspelled my name... I think this event wasn't caused by mafia. So maybe neutral Dreaming God.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Kind of in the mood for some doughnuts now

If Oliver doesn't get lynched I wouldn't mind that as a snack


Where'd you get the pfp
and how long have you had it without telling us


lol Freckles
imagine worldbuilding


lol 2x
Freckles is just panicking so hard here trying to get his hammer because he can't coordinate during the day with his scumteam


dang
Eevee's not holding back
I wouldn't mind a Freckles lynch either


Too bad I already ate all the snacks as I was towncored 2.582 seconds into the game


Lumi can do what?

A friend set it to me, I can track down the artist and send it to you.

Also. I am free now. I read the thread, didn't quote anything, so you know, I'll just respond out of context.

I have a thought the event was a Dreaming God. I agree with someone's point that if it were mafia derived, they would coordinate correctly. And considering half the game misspelled my name... I think this event wasn't caused by mafia. So maybe neutral Dreaming God.

Sort of busy, sorry everyone. Will be free all tomorrow though.

Sort of busy, sorry everyone. Will be free all tomorrow though.

[QUOTE=Bakura1;970338]Hola a todos. He llegado.

En primer lugar, creo que Clowns es probablemente una ciudad aquí. Su juego ha sido extraño, pero EoD1 se lee más como confianza aleatoria de un pueblerino/hidra que como escoria. Desde mi experiencia, Cj y Fishy son jugadores bastante normales. No veo que tengan una razón para publicar una lista de lecturas con un 90 % de valores nulos en EoD1 sin que, literalmente, se haya decidido un linchamiento todavía. En mi opinión, su confianza parecía que una cabeza solo esperaba que la otra cabeza hiciera lecturas / pensaron que estarían bien vomitando pensamientos porque no morirían.
En general, diría que su confianza fue lo que más me llamó la atención.

También olvidé preguntar esto antes, pero [MENTION=46278]10000JellyDoughnuts[/MENTION] ¿por qué tu gato se transformó en un dinosaurio?

¿Y qué diablos estaban todos haciendo EoD1? Los dejo solos durante una hora y media y todos cambian sus votos más rápido que un Prius de 1993. Frinckles (y aparentemente Drizzt por lo que dijo Eevee, pero no recuerdo, así que solo tomaré su palabra) estaba por todas partes. Solo buscan sangre.

Ah, y por cierto, es muy probable que alguien estuviera mintiendo sobre los chats, ya que yo también estaba en uno.

A menos que todos estemos viviendo juntos en hecking Barrio Sésamo, se han dejado caer deuces y se ha agitado BS suscitado.

Tampoco tengo idea de lo que está haciendo MM, pero Oliver ha sido bastante normal en este juego.



Wow bestie casi las mismas lecturas

excepto que creo que Frinckles realmente quería matar a una persona al azar y no le importaba quién era

También has estado demasiado a la defensiva este juego jajaja[/QUOTE] Because dinosaur cat is cool. Next question

[QUOTE=jmw;970363][MENTION=46278]10000JellyDoughnuts[/MENTION] Can you vouch for Clowns today?
I don't need you to out Clowns' role but what I'm seeing here only really makes sense to me based off of a claim. If you're willing to vouch I think I'm comfortable not pursuing clowns right now.[/QUOTE]
I am vouching for the fact their role seemed to put me into the chat. I cannot make claims about their alignment.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Hola a todos. He llegado.

En primer lugar, creo que Clowns es probablemente una ciudad aquí. Su juego ha sido extraño, pero EoD1 se lee más como confianza aleatoria de un pueblerino/hidra que como escoria. Desde mi experiencia, Cj y Fishy son jugadores bastante normales. No veo que tengan una razón para publicar una lista de lecturas con un 90 % de valores nulos en EoD1 sin que, literalmente, se haya decidido un linchamiento todavía. En mi opinión, su confianza parecía que una cabeza solo esperaba que la otra cabeza hiciera lecturas / pensaron que estarían bien vomitando pensamientos porque no morirían.
En general, diría que su confianza fue lo que más me llamó la atención.

También olvidé preguntar esto antes, pero @10000JellyDoughnuts ¿por qué tu gato se transformó en un dinosaurio?

¿Y qué diablos estaban todos haciendo EoD1? Los dejo solos durante una hora y media y todos cambian sus votos más rápido que un Prius de 1993. Frinckles (y aparentemente Drizzt por lo que dijo Eevee, pero no recuerdo, así que solo tomaré su palabra) estaba por todas partes. Solo buscan sangre.

Ah, y por cierto, es muy probable que alguien estuviera mintiendo sobre los chats, ya que yo también estaba en uno.

A menos que todos estemos viviendo juntos en hecking Barrio Sésamo, se han dejado caer deuces y se ha agitado BS suscitado.

Tampoco tengo idea de lo que está haciendo MM, pero Oliver ha sido bastante normal en este juego.



Wow bestie casi las mismas lecturas

excepto que creo que Frinckles realmente quería matar a una persona al azar y no le importaba quién era

También has estado demasiado a la defensiva este juego jajaja

Because dinosaur cat is cool. Next question

Originally Posted by jmw

@10000JellyDoughnuts Can you vouch for Clowns today?
I don't need you to out Clowns' role but what I'm seeing here only really makes sense to me based off of a claim. If you're willing to vouch I think I'm comfortable not pursuing clowns right now.

I am vouching for the fact their role seemed to put me into the chat. I cannot make claims about their alignment.

[QUOTE=ewianking;970267]Were you placed into a chat with clowns or were you placed in a chat with someone else[/QUOTE]
I was placed into a chat with clowns. They claimed to be responsible for it. The chat remains open
[QUOTE=Frinckles;970275]then that's two chats or ashoka changed targets for some reason[/QUOTE]
Exactly. I think we got a liar here, suspicious why Clowns didn't CC, but you know...
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;970277]doubtful they "changed" it

it would mean they were lying from the start

they said it right after the day action deadline had passed iirc

I'm more inclined to think 2 chats for now, pending any judgement for later unless both jmw and marshmallow say the chat didn't happen[/QUOTE]
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm hesitant to believe there would be two chats.
[QUOTE=ewianking;970305]Gm tho no one’s here

Anyways
Still no response from jelly/ bakura which I both assume is cuz of the time
Check back in a couple hours or so[/QUOTE]
Yea, super busy, but I'llshare what I said to Clowns.
[QUOTE=TheClowns;970307]I’d really rather you not force me to claim on day 2. Yes I was responsible in putting us there. No I will not claim to the masses. I’ve already claimed to you iirc so that should suffice.[/QUOTE]
That's fine. I just wanted the other one to discuss. Aswell as how you feel about Ashoka
[QUOTE=Mreevee;970317]No reason to lynch clowns really. Not sure why they were a wagon to begin with[/QUOTE]

No. Let's avoid clowns for right now.

Top Town is Clowns and jmw. Aphoria is top scum to me.

[Vote]Aphoria[/Vote]

Originally Posted by ewianking

Were you placed into a chat with clowns or were you placed in a chat with someone else

I was placed into a chat with clowns. They claimed to be responsible for it. The chat remains open

Originally Posted by Frinckles

then that's two chats or ashoka changed targets for some reason

Exactly. I think we got a liar here, suspicious why Clowns didn't CC, but you know...

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

doubtful they "changed" it

it would mean they were lying from the start

they said it right after the day action deadline had passed iirc

I'm more inclined to think 2 chats for now, pending any judgement for later unless both jmw and marshmallow say the chat didn't happen

Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I'm hesitant to believe there would be two chats.

Originally Posted by ewianking

Gm tho no one’s here

Anyways
Still no response from jelly/ bakura which I both assume is cuz of the time
Check back in a couple hours or so

Yea, super busy, but I'llshare what I said to Clowns.

Originally Posted by TheClowns

I’d really rather you not force me to claim on day 2. Yes I was responsible in putting us there. No I will not claim to the masses. I’ve already claimed to you iirc so that should suffice.

That's fine. I just wanted the other one to discuss. Aswell as how you feel about Ashoka

Originally Posted by Mreevee

No reason to lynch clowns really. Not sure why they were a wagon to begin with

No. Let's avoid clowns for right now.

Top Town is Clowns and jmw. Aphoria is top scum to me.

-vote Aphoria

So last night, just as the elimination ended, I was placed into a chat by [MENTION=46280]TheClowns[/MENTION]

They claimed to do this. Explain.

So last night, just as the elimination ended, I was placed into a chat by @TheClowns

They claimed to do this. Explain.

[QUOTE=deathworlds;970191][vote]TheClowns[/vote][/QUOTE]
Hmm interesting vote. Can't say I disagree with half of their reads being null.
[QUOTE=TheClowns;970192]Okay I read a lot of it but for fear of not getting my reads down and getting lynched for it I will post what I have so far

Ewian-Null, really cant ever read this slot

Aporia-Null just the pages Ive seen so far dont have much contribution from this slot

Mr. Eevee- This slot started the game with two rvs which I'm not sure I like but I'm not the biggest fan of rvs anyway so going with this sot just being an overall troll

Marshmallow- Seems confident and is giving off a slight towny feel the way they are trying to help stimulate the discussion with asking more questions or so what ive seen so far feels like it

Bakura- A troll and therefore I have no idea cause all this slot does is fluff post so maybe thats a slight scum read

Deathworlds- Seems to skip from one topic to the next and fluff post. But also did some math or something about the game that I didnt quite read all of? -Null cant really follow this slot

Oliver- I cannot remember what post of yours made me feel like you were a light town. I will go back and try and see if I can find it.

Drizzt- Fluff and troll posting with Bakura. So I will call you Bakrua 2 the troll

Jmw- started this game off with an rvs and looks like this slot is trying to get others who might be lurking engaged in discussions. Light town read for now

Taunt- Their first reaction to the hypixelians rvs system is exactly how I react so I'm giving this slot a townish read

Jelly- Null havent seen too much to decide

Frinkles- Gives the vibe of a fluff posting troll

Martin- Seems like a troll but also seems like they are trying to engage in discussion still Null

AT- Null, havent seen too much from this slot either

Honk Honk[/QUOTE]
You can't have half the game null lmao.

[QUOTE=Aporia;970195][MENTION=46278]10000JellyDoughnuts[/MENTION] Do you have thoughts re: the fact that Deathworld's setup spec turns out to be probably fine?[/QUOTE]

Yea, I still get a bad feeling about it. I could very well be wrong, but the more I go back and read the posts, the more I convince myself there's tmi in the background. They seem very confident in set-up speculation, and while it might be true, I didn't see anyone else do it until I brought up the point that it seemed suspicious.

Seems like a way to look like contributing, and might have slipped tmi at the worst.

Originally Posted by deathworlds

-vote TheClowns

Hmm interesting vote. Can't say I disagree with half of their reads being null.

Originally Posted by TheClowns

Okay I read a lot of it but for fear of not getting my reads down and getting lynched for it I will post what I have so far

Ewian-Null, really cant ever read this slot

Aporia-Null just the pages Ive seen so far dont have much contribution from this slot

Mr. Eevee- This slot started the game with two rvs which I'm not sure I like but I'm not the biggest fan of rvs anyway so going with this sot just being an overall troll

Marshmallow- Seems confident and is giving off a slight towny feel the way they are trying to help stimulate the discussion with asking more questions or so what ive seen so far feels like it

Bakura- A troll and therefore I have no idea cause all this slot does is fluff post so maybe thats a slight scum read

Deathworlds- Seems to skip from one topic to the next and fluff post. But also did some math or something about the game that I didnt quite read all of? -Null cant really follow this slot

Oliver- I cannot remember what post of yours made me feel like you were a light town. I will go back and try and see if I can find it.

Drizzt- Fluff and troll posting with Bakura. So I will call you Bakrua 2 the troll

Jmw- started this game off with an rvs and looks like this slot is trying to get others who might be lurking engaged in discussions. Light town read for now

Taunt- Their first reaction to the hypixelians rvs system is exactly how I react so I'm giving this slot a townish read

Jelly- Null havent seen too much to decide

Frinkles- Gives the vibe of a fluff posting troll

Martin- Seems like a troll but also seems like they are trying to engage in discussion still Null

AT- Null, havent seen too much from this slot either

Honk Honk

You can't have half the game null lmao.

Originally Posted by Aporia

@10000JellyDoughnuts Do you have thoughts re: the fact that Deathworld's setup spec turns out to be probably fine?

Yea, I still get a bad feeling about it. I could very well be wrong, but the more I go back and read the posts, the more I convince myself there's tmi in the background. They seem very confident in set-up speculation, and while it might be true, I didn't see anyone else do it until I brought up the point that it seemed suspicious.

Seems like a way to look like contributing, and might have slipped tmi at the worst.

[QUOTE=jmw;970184][MENTION=46280]TheClowns[/MENTION] if you're here can you roleclaim please?[/QUOTE]

Awfully early to ask for a roleclaim. Any particular reason why?

[Vote]deathworlds[/Vote]

I found him weird earlier with those posts, now putting it to a vote.

Originally Posted by jmw

@TheClowns if you're here can you roleclaim please?

Awfully early to ask for a roleclaim. Any particular reason why?

-vote deathworlds

I found him weird earlier with those posts, now putting it to a vote.

[QUOTE=Bakura1;970109]smh fine


Yeah Ewian's town[/QUOTE]

Any particular reason/post?

Originally Posted by Bakura1

smh fine


Yeah Ewian's town

Any particular reason/post?

[QUOTE=jmw;970105]Welcome back Jelly. Anything you can say about townreads?



also
[MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION] what are your reads right now? I recall you had a few tonereads but nothing solid yet. Has that improved?[/QUOTE]

I like Frinckles so far. Doesn't necessarily mean a town read yet though. And I'll put Ashoka in the town bucket too. That's a bold move and would probably be bad for scum to make. They've been mostly under the radar afaik (might have missed their posts) and to just hardclaim in? Scum probably wouldn't do that.

Originally Posted by jmw

Welcome back Jelly. Anything you can say about townreads?



also
@Frinckles what are your reads right now? I recall you had a few tonereads but nothing solid yet. Has that improved?

I like Frinckles so far. Doesn't necessarily mean a town read yet though. And I'll put Ashoka in the town bucket too. That's a bold move and would probably be bad for scum to make. They've been mostly under the radar afaik (might have missed their posts) and to just hardclaim in? Scum probably wouldn't do that.

[QUOTE=jmw;969972]@10000 Jelly Doughnuts do you have any reads right now?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;969976]Ooor they don't have spaces in the username. This is the only down-side when trying to be a BBcode wizard and yet on multiple sites: You mix everything up -_-
[MENTION=46278]10000JellyDoughnuts[/MENTION][/QUOTE]
I have spaces in my name on HPM, couldn't here because it freaked the system out lol
[QUOTE=jmw;969979]here's where I'm at right now
top is townier bottom is scummier and middle is a huge null pile, not sorted in tiers

MartinGG99
Tauntshaman
Bakura1

deathworlds
Marshmallow Marshall
Frinckles
Aporia
Mreevee
Drizzt
ewianking
TheClowns
Ashoka Tano

oliverz144

10000JellyDoughnuts

kinda sad that I don't have a good read on half the game but just uni things I guess lmao

misc notes:
- gut SR on Jelly, I did not like her opener. I've been poking for reactions from her and the reaction to my vote is fine but I want to see more from her
- slight sus on Oliver for linking a scum game when asked for towngames, since it sends a message of "I'm not playing like I did as scum" rather than "I'm playing like a townie as you can see here". I'd expect the former to be a wolf's early gameplan (play differently than usual) and the latter to be a more villagery way of thinking.
- Bakura's p#89 reads like a callout of me incorrectly scumreading him last game and I think it's a good look, since S!Bakura usually thinks reasons used to scumread him are BS and I wouldn't expect him to call his own play wolfy
- Tauntshaman's posts read like a new townie, if they're newer to forum mafia I think they're probably town. I think the vibes they give would be hard to intentionally give off as mafia
- very strong gut feel that Martin is town, I've liked basically all of their posts
- good feel about Aporia's posts, GTH town but he hasn't posted anything he couldn't as scum
- I thought I played with MM before (in Ice Cream Teams?) and they were playing quite differently here but I took a look at that this morning and it doesn't look like the Marshal there is the same person?[/QUOTE]
I am now back from classes and can answer questions
[QUOTE=jmw;969981]I think Jelly's username has spaces on Hypixel too so that mixed me up as well haha


Who's your top townread and scumread right now?[/QUOTE]
Top scum read is deathworlds. I honestly think that post of his was too much information. Not much to go on, but it has a weird vibe.
[QUOTE=Bakura1;969990]Ngl I'm noticing that Oliver's a lot more tame on this site

I also never realized how much our games back at HPM ran like a well-oiled machine. I came up with the words to express this earlier and then forgot, but basically we just usually got a lot more done by this point. The game progresses a lot quicker and smoother. That might just be because we all know each other's meta's though. I wonder if entire games could have a meta if everyone at least generally knows each other's metas.


[MENTION=30888]Tauntshaman[/MENTION] what are you on about


Thank you. This is what I've been asking for ages. Ever since I can remember, it's always just, "Bakura's meta town and I won't evaluate him further than D1." I don't want the "most obvious towny" award. My reads are in line and often accurate, just like last game. But literally nobody even approached me about my Kylo read and he ended up coasting through endgame.


Did you try

[IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/91794ad4f424d1bff51c7e846208415d.png[/IMG]


That's what everyone says about you.


Could it be because there are a lot of new people and he's adjusting his personality because of that?


Well that and I also found this totally poggers youtube channel called YourBoySponge that has some great rap so I was listening to that for like an hour so the rhymes just came easily to me.[/QUOTE]
Hmm. They don't say that to me. I do get a weird vibe from oliverzz though. Could be site change that just modifies a bit of behavior, but he seems to be more defensive of players.
[QUOTE=oliverz144;970036]Looks like a HPM special will be rising tonight![/QUOTE]
I can feel it sadly enough.
[QUOTE=oliverz144;970009]What announcement?
(Also yeah abt that hpm thingy :( l[/QUOTE]
the le discord one made in the announcements channel

Originally Posted by jmw

@10000 Jelly Doughnuts do you have any reads right now?

Yes.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Ooor they don't have spaces in the username. This is the only down-side when trying to be a BBcode wizard and yet on multiple sites: You mix everything up
@10000JellyDoughnuts

I have spaces in my name on HPM, couldn't here because it freaked the system out lol

Originally Posted by jmw

here's where I'm at right now
top is townier bottom is scummier and middle is a huge null pile, not sorted in tiers

MartinGG99
Tauntshaman
Bakura1

deathworlds
Marshmallow Marshall
Frinckles
Aporia
Mreevee
Drizzt
ewianking
TheClowns
Ashoka Tano

oliverz144

10000JellyDoughnuts

kinda sad that I don't have a good read on half the game but just uni things I guess lmao

misc notes:
- gut SR on Jelly, I did not like her opener. I've been poking for reactions from her and the reaction to my vote is fine but I want to see more from her
- slight sus on Oliver for linking a scum game when asked for towngames, since it sends a message of "I'm not playing like I did as scum" rather than "I'm playing like a townie as you can see here". I'd expect the former to be a wolf's early gameplan (play differently than usual) and the latter to be a more villagery way of thinking.
- Bakura's p#89 reads like a callout of me incorrectly scumreading him last game and I think it's a good look, since S!Bakura usually thinks reasons used to scumread him are BS and I wouldn't expect him to call his own play wolfy
- Tauntshaman's posts read like a new townie, if they're newer to forum mafia I think they're probably town. I think the vibes they give would be hard to intentionally give off as mafia
- very strong gut feel that Martin is town, I've liked basically all of their posts
- good feel about Aporia's posts, GTH town but he hasn't posted anything he couldn't as scum
- I thought I played with MM before (in Ice Cream Teams?) and they were playing quite differently here but I took a look at that this morning and it doesn't look like the Marshal there is the same person?

I am now back from classes and can answer questions

Originally Posted by jmw

I think Jelly's username has spaces on Hypixel too so that mixed me up as well haha


Who's your top townread and scumread right now?

Top scum read is deathworlds. I honestly think that post of his was too much information. Not much to go on, but it has a weird vibe.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Ngl I'm noticing that Oliver's a lot more tame on this site

I also never realized how much our games back at HPM ran like a well-oiled machine. I came up with the words to express this earlier and then forgot, but basically we just usually got a lot more done by this point. The game progresses a lot quicker and smoother. That might just be because we all know each other's meta's though. I wonder if entire games could have a meta if everyone at least generally knows each other's metas.


@Tauntshaman what are you on about


Thank you. This is what I've been asking for ages. Ever since I can remember, it's always just, "Bakura's meta town and I won't evaluate him further than D1." I don't want the "most obvious towny" award. My reads are in line and often accurate, just like last game. But literally nobody even approached me about my Kylo read and he ended up coasting through endgame.


Did you try




That's what everyone says about you.


Could it be because there are a lot of new people and he's adjusting his personality because of that?


Well that and I also found this totally poggers youtube channel called YourBoySponge that has some great rap so I was listening to that for like an hour so the rhymes just came easily to me.

Hmm. They don't say that to me. I do get a weird vibe from oliverzz though. Could be site change that just modifies a bit of behavior, but he seems to be more defensive of players.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

Looks like a HPM special will be rising tonight!

I can feel it sadly enough.

Originally Posted by oliverz144

What announcement?
(Also yeah abt that hpm thingy l

the le discord one made in the announcements channel

[QUOTE=Frinckles;969949]This sounds like a PR hunt but it's role madness so whatever.[/QUOTE]
Not necessarily. I'm wondering why Deathworlds thinks that it must be [I]town[/I] that had the N0 check. It reads like too much information to me. Someone probably did have a n0 check, as there was the announcement, but I'm not sure why he seemed so certain about it being town.
[QUOTE=deathworlds;969953]Yeah, I think that we had a n0 check, that's pretty standard for low powered role madness games.[/QUOTE]

It is not standard on HPM.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

This sounds like a PR hunt but it's role madness so whatever.

Not necessarily. I'm wondering why Deathworlds thinks that it must be town that had the N0 check. It reads like too much information to me. Someone probably did have a n0 check, as there was the announcement, but I'm not sure why he seemed so certain about it being town.

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Yeah, I think that we had a n0 check, that's pretty standard for low powered role madness games.

It is not standard on HPM.

[QUOTE=deathworlds;969944]You know that's a good point.

The existence of a N0 implies a N0 action took place, now granted it doesn't guarantee that one took place, but I'd bet money that we had a n0 check of some sort.
Now said individual who got a green check on someone (if it was a red check I'd expect they'd've revealed by now) might feel apprehensive at the notion of revealing, which might put themselves and their green check in danger. But, I do think that we likely have the capability of protecting one or both of them. We have last wills enabled, but scum [I]could[/I] have some sort of janitor-like role, I'm not completely confident in putting my hopes in a last will when we haven't seen scum flip anyone yet. Hmmm.[/QUOTE]

Do you believe that town had a n0 role? Your text seems to think that is the case, at lest how I read it.

Originally Posted by deathworlds

You know that's a good point.

The existence of a N0 implies a N0 action took place, now granted it doesn't guarantee that one took place, but I'd bet money that we had a n0 check of some sort.
Now said individual who got a green check on someone (if it was a red check I'd expect they'd've revealed by now) might feel apprehensive at the notion of revealing, which might put themselves and their green check in danger. But, I do think that we likely have the capability of protecting one or both of them. We have last wills enabled, but scum could have some sort of janitor-like role, I'm not completely confident in putting my hopes in a last will when we haven't seen scum flip anyone yet. Hmmm.

Do you believe that town had a n0 role? Your text seems to think that is the case, at lest how I read it.

[QUOTE=Aporia;969905]Bakura memes a lot. Jelly is competent but second-guesses herself a lot. JMW's pretty serious. Oliver is confusing as hell initially but has his brilliant moments. Can't really give a specific meta on the rest.

This didn't read like a discrediting to me; it's just putting the naked reads within context.[/QUOTE]
That is the nicest thing someone's ever said to me.

[unvote]Aporia[/unvote]

Not pocketing, just me removing a vote made in RVS
[QUOTE=ewianking;969908]Im 99% sure this is cj due to the way he talks
Anyways it still feels like pseudo rvs stage rn[/QUOTE]
Didn't even know CJ was in the game lol. But it does read like him.
[QUOTE=Aporia;969909]I -

I guess? Can anyone confidently metaread Bakura? I wish more people would read him on his merits.[/QUOTE]
If he has contributing stuff, then we can read him. Right now it's been like... some minor posts. And not to discredit him, we are in a weird rvs stage still somehow
[QUOTE=deathworlds;969916]Anywho time to do some setup analysis I guess, canny do a whole lot else right now with what we got.

We have fifteen players.

Scum cannot daychat.

2/10 on the bastard scale, so we're not seeing anything too wacky, I'd say expect roles taken directly from the mafiascum wiki, with minor adjustments to fit the flavor of either hypixel or sc2mafia setups.

At least one anti-town faction (scum)

Everyone is a TPR or have some button to press or has some sort of passive ability. (I actually didn't catch this until just now)


So what I'm currently expecting is a single scum faction (comprised of 3-4 individuals), with 1-2 true neutrals and 1-2 evil/killing neutrals. Alternatively we may exist in a universe with [I]two[/I] scum factions comprised of 2-3 players each, with fewer neutrals to go along with that.

I know setup discussion doesn't really help us decide who to lynch but it's worth keeping in mind. I for one, am particularly glad that we don't have to deal with day-chatting scum, which piloted by experienced players, can run circles around us easily.[/QUOTE]
Setup speculation is a favorite pastime of mine. Unfortunately, none of it is analysis that helps.

Originally Posted by Aporia

Bakura memes a lot. Jelly is competent but second-guesses herself a lot. JMW's pretty serious. Oliver is confusing as hell initially but has his brilliant moments. Can't really give a specific meta on the rest.

This didn't read like a discrediting to me; it's just putting the naked reads within context.

That is the nicest thing someone's ever said to me.

-unvote

Not pocketing, just me removing a vote made in RVS

Originally Posted by ewianking

Im 99% sure this is cj due to the way he talks
Anyways it still feels like pseudo rvs stage rn

Didn't even know CJ was in the game lol. But it does read like him.

Originally Posted by Aporia

I -

I guess? Can anyone confidently metaread Bakura? I wish more people would read him on his merits.

If he has contributing stuff, then we can read him. Right now it's been like... some minor posts. And not to discredit him, we are in a weird rvs stage still somehow

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Anywho time to do some setup analysis I guess, canny do a whole lot else right now with what we got.

We have fifteen players.

Scum cannot daychat.

2/10 on the bastard scale, so we're not seeing anything too wacky, I'd say expect roles taken directly from the mafiascum wiki, with minor adjustments to fit the flavor of either hypixel or sc2mafia setups.

At least one anti-town faction (scum)

Everyone is a TPR or have some button to press or has some sort of passive ability. (I actually didn't catch this until just now)


So what I'm currently expecting is a single scum faction (comprised of 3-4 individuals), with 1-2 true neutrals and 1-2 evil/killing neutrals. Alternatively we may exist in a universe with two scum factions comprised of 2-3 players each, with fewer neutrals to go along with that.

I know setup discussion doesn't really help us decide who to lynch but it's worth keeping in mind. I for one, am particularly glad that we don't have to deal with day-chatting scum, which piloted by experienced players, can run circles around us easily.

Setup speculation is a favorite pastime of mine. Unfortunately, none of it is analysis that helps.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;969869]Yeah, pretty much.[/QUOTE]
Bruh.
[QUOTE=ewianking;969871]Susssyy



True, Utter chaos at end of days I’ll say[/QUOTE]
Agreed, it's a bold move. Let's see if it pulls off for them.
[QUOTE=jmw;969878][VOTE]Jelly[/VOTE]

town games:
[url]https://hypixel.net/threads/game-over-mafia-wins-hypixel-mafia-machines-experimental-workshop-5011-good-judgement-mafia-v2.5007487/[/url] (most recent, basically just subbed in for LYLO though)
[url]https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36964-Season-9-Semifinal-1-Trouble-on-Sornieth-Mafia-Championship[/url] (second most recent)[/QUOTE]
Reasons? Why so many naked votes?

[QUOTE=Bakura1;969882]Jmw you know I be bitin' harder than a pair of fresh dentures[/QUOTE]
???
[QUOTE=Tauntshaman;969899]been a day and no actual leads so...
I will [B][COLOR="#FF0000"]-vote the lurker[/COLOR][/B]

[vote]Bakura1[/vote] for now[/QUOTE]
You and I have a different definition of lurker. Bakura's been about normal

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Yeah, pretty much.

Bruh.

Originally Posted by ewianking

Susssyy



True, Utter chaos at end of days I’ll say

Agreed, it's a bold move. Let's see if it pulls off for them.

Originally Posted by jmw

-vote Jelly

town games:
https://hypixel.net/threads/game-ove...ia-v2.5007487/ (most recent, basically just subbed in for LYLO though)
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...a-Championship (second most recent)

Reasons? Why so many naked votes?

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Jmw you know I be bitin' harder than a pair of fresh dentures

???

Originally Posted by Tauntshaman

been a day and no actual leads so...
I will -vote the lurker

-vote Bakura1

for now

You and I have a different definition of lurker. Bakura's been about normal

[QUOTE=deathworlds;969855]Hey anyone from hypixel wanna tell me the meta of your fellow visitors? I promise I wont exploit this to make a deep read on you :D[/QUOTE]
Ah our Sc2 friends, thinking we have "meta" and do proper "reads" instead of throwing every game :D (joking but not really)
[QUOTE=Frinckles;969859]I'm jumping on the aphoria wagon because it seems popular with hypixelites.[vote]aphoria[/vote][/QUOTE]

Is that your only reason? Popularity bandwagoning?

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Hey anyone from hypixel wanna tell me the meta of your fellow visitors? I promise I wont exploit this to make a deep read on you

Ah our Sc2 friends, thinking we have "meta" and do proper "reads" instead of throwing every game (joking but not really)

Originally Posted by Frinckles

I'm jumping on the aphoria wagon because it seems popular with hypixelites.

-vote aphoria

Is that your only reason? Popularity bandwagoning?

I was stumped by the forum layout for nearly an entire day. No, I do not want to talk about my lack of intelligence, I shall blame anyone but myself.

[Vote]Aporia[/Vote]

I was stumped by the forum layout for nearly an entire day. No, I do not want to talk about my lack of intelligence, I shall blame anyone but myself.

-vote Aporia