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[QUOTE=Loldebite;974899][SPOILER=vote history][/SPOILER]

Holy shit you're courageous, I don't think I ever did that myself, thanks a bunch[/QUOTE]

No problem, not sure if it'll be of any help, but worth going over and perhaps something might pop up that aligns with your current thoughts about the game.

It was fun to write up, didn't take too long to write.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

Holy shit you're courageous, I don't think I ever did that myself, thanks a bunch

No problem, not sure if it'll be of any help, but worth going over and perhaps something might pop up that aligns with your current thoughts about the game.

It was fun to write up, didn't take too long to write.

wrong shade of purple. myeyeshurt

wrong shade of purple. myeyeshurt

[QUOTE=Vittae;974910][MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] responded in purple[/QUOTE]

My mindset going into this game was that I was going to be very open, even if it sounds stupid or noobish, I'm going to say whatever I had in my mind to allow others to better read me as town. I was going to go as 'hard to read for a beginner' as I did in my previous two games (well I tried to be, not saying I was successful), but I thought that in this game where there are more players present, if i let myself read as town, it would help narrow down the list later on. Also as a beginner player who is being an obvious town, I didn't think mafia would prioritise killing me in night 1,[COLOR="#4B0082"] Didn't you say you thought otherwise towards EoD1 though?[/COLOR]especially if a PR claim appears. I knew my role was pretty garbage because I couldn't use my night action so I kept quiet about my role. That was my mindset in day 1.

A: I became a priority target in day 2, after both PoD and Varcron had died. Aside from you I was one of strongest town read players thus far at that point in time. Also I had claimed TPR at that point. Since death's scan essentially made it boil down to between loldebite and deaths, I assumed if they were going to kill a PR at night, they would want to kill me to keep the stalemate going into Day 3.

Again, I don't remember exactly why, but I town read him and I believed him to be a town. I wanted to say he was a citizen because I thought he was WIFOMing to draw heat to himself and I wanted to WIFOM him myself to make it harder for mafia to figure out his role. [COLOR="#4B0082"]If he was trying to draw attention to himself what what your WIFOM trying to accomplish by saying he was a citizen?[/COLOR] Was I successful? No. Was it fun to think I created some confusion? Yes.

A: I now realise it was counteractive because I was doing the opposite thing I 'thought' Varcron was doing. But at the time I wanted to protect him because I believed he was town at the time. If I could draw less heat to him, the better I thought.

Now for the reason Loldebite had been grilling me hard. Yes, it does seem impossible for me to come up with the list and mechanics down in 4 minutes especially on a thought that just came up. My premise entirely depended on the potential of the post having been pre-written somewhere, [COLOR="#4B0082"]Why did this post strike you as pre-written and not the one from Death?[/COLOR] and the thought of deb working on it on a separate tab did cross my mind. But I had to poke for it because if by any chance I was right, then I ignored something that could've been very important. BUT I ADMIT. I missed this part in her previous post

A: I did not really care death's post was pre-written because I took it as a fun speculation without much solving or prediction of gameflow thus did not gain towncred from me from that post alone, whereas I took loldebite's post a little more seriously because it was more constructive in terms of what I could expect as days progress. While it could've been written by a town's POV (well from anyone's pov) it read something like a mafia team could've written down in their chat to predict the game state and what path they could follow, and without realising she had already stated she was working on the post, when I saw it posted within 4 minutes, AND she presented it as a new realization leading into subsequent train of thought, I thought there was a possibility it was copy pasted from mafia chat.

I still stand by most of my reasoning, but if I can change something would be about scumreading Lolbite for the reason I stated before.



I still feel the same way, and perhaps[COLOR="#4B0082"] Perhaps??? Do you not know why you voted?[/COLOR] the reason for my vote on PoD is because of AtE, very defensive nature without countering any reasons or pointing to somewhere else. I do admit, I do feel a bit uneasy when it comes to Vittae, and it might be because Vittae is overly helpful. Asking too many too good questions, and with a lot of content. Perhaps Vittae is really good at wolfing. Perhaps this is because Vittae is naturally a good town player and highly experienced. But if you place yourself in my shoes.... quality of post wise, if everyone else is either town or neutral, and you think about PoD's post and Vittae's posts... it's only naturally for me to assume PoD is being the least helpful.

A: I admit I did not have time to consolidate all the information I had because I only had about an hour before EoD. When I said 'perhaps' i meant that these are my reasons, but I was not 100% confident on my reasoning because I was also unsure of other players. If I have to explain my vote now, it'll be because when everyone was questioning PoD's posts, I was not skilled enough and let it affect my thoughts and feelings on that player. I started to stress, and tunnel on PoD everyone was already questioning, and justified why I need to vote him in my head even if they weren't good enough reasons (reasons I stated in my original post)

I still felt uneasy about lol at the time,[COLOR="#4B0082"]Why?[/COLOR] and because there was alot of people scumreading Mizery, I thought this was the right step even if I did not scum read Mizery.

A: Because even if she had explained prior in her post that she was already working on it, she could still easily have just said that to mask the copy n paste, hence why I did not respond to her comments straight away. I retracted my scumread on her because i thought it was weak, but that doesn't mean the initial feeling wasn't still there and feelings are hard to remove.

Originally Posted by Vittae

@ikarusdk responded in purple

My mindset going into this game was that I was going to be very open, even if it sounds stupid or noobish, I'm going to say whatever I had in my mind to allow others to better read me as town. I was going to go as 'hard to read for a beginner' as I did in my previous two games (well I tried to be, not saying I was successful), but I thought that in this game where there are more players present, if i let myself read as town, it would help narrow down the list later on. Also as a beginner player who is being an obvious town, I didn't think mafia would prioritise killing me in night 1, Didn't you say you thought otherwise towards EoD1 though?especially if a PR claim appears. I knew my role was pretty garbage because I couldn't use my night action so I kept quiet about my role. That was my mindset in day 1.

A: I became a priority target in day 2, after both PoD and Varcron had died. Aside from you I was one of strongest town read players thus far at that point in time. Also I had claimed TPR at that point. Since death's scan essentially made it boil down to between loldebite and deaths, I assumed if they were going to kill a PR at night, they would want to kill me to keep the stalemate going into Day 3.

Again, I don't remember exactly why, but I town read him and I believed him to be a town. I wanted to say he was a citizen because I thought he was WIFOMing to draw heat to himself and I wanted to WIFOM him myself to make it harder for mafia to figure out his role. If he was trying to draw attention to himself what what your WIFOM trying to accomplish by saying he was a citizen? Was I successful? No. Was it fun to think I created some confusion? Yes.

A: I now realise it was counteractive because I was doing the opposite thing I 'thought' Varcron was doing. But at the time I wanted to protect him because I believed he was town at the time. If I could draw less heat to him, the better I thought.

Now for the reason Loldebite had been grilling me hard. Yes, it does seem impossible for me to come up with the list and mechanics down in 4 minutes especially on a thought that just came up. My premise entirely depended on the potential of the post having been pre-written somewhere, Why did this post strike you as pre-written and not the one from Death? and the thought of deb working on it on a separate tab did cross my mind. But I had to poke for it because if by any chance I was right, then I ignored something that could've been very important. BUT I ADMIT. I missed this part in her previous post

A: I did not really care death's post was pre-written because I took it as a fun speculation without much solving or prediction of gameflow thus did not gain towncred from me from that post alone, whereas I took loldebite's post a little more seriously because it was more constructive in terms of what I could expect as days progress. While it could've been written by a town's POV (well from anyone's pov) it read something like a mafia team could've written down in their chat to predict the game state and what path they could follow, and without realising she had already stated she was working on the post, when I saw it posted within 4 minutes, AND she presented it as a new realization leading into subsequent train of thought, I thought there was a possibility it was copy pasted from mafia chat.

I still stand by most of my reasoning, but if I can change something would be about scumreading Lolbite for the reason I stated before.



I still feel the same way, and perhaps Perhaps??? Do you not know why you voted? the reason for my vote on PoD is because of AtE, very defensive nature without countering any reasons or pointing to somewhere else. I do admit, I do feel a bit uneasy when it comes to Vittae, and it might be because Vittae is overly helpful. Asking too many too good questions, and with a lot of content. Perhaps Vittae is really good at wolfing. Perhaps this is because Vittae is naturally a good town player and highly experienced. But if you place yourself in my shoes.... quality of post wise, if everyone else is either town or neutral, and you think about PoD's post and Vittae's posts... it's only naturally for me to assume PoD is being the least helpful.

A: I admit I did not have time to consolidate all the information I had because I only had about an hour before EoD. When I said 'perhaps' i meant that these are my reasons, but I was not 100% confident on my reasoning because I was also unsure of other players. If I have to explain my vote now, it'll be because when everyone was questioning PoD's posts, I was not skilled enough and let it affect my thoughts and feelings on that player. I started to stress, and tunnel on PoD everyone was already questioning, and justified why I need to vote him in my head even if they weren't good enough reasons (reasons I stated in my original post)

I still felt uneasy about lol at the time,Why? and because there was alot of people scumreading Mizery, I thought this was the right step even if I did not scum read Mizery.

A: Because even if she had explained prior in her post that she was already working on it, she could still easily have just said that to mask the copy n paste, hence why I did not respond to her comments straight away. I retracted my scumread on her because i thought it was weak, but that doesn't mean the initial feeling wasn't still there and feelings are hard to remove.

ngl, just reviewing voting patterns [I]on a surface level[/I] gives off higher possibility of deathworlds/mizery w/w pairing, rather than loldebite/MM, deathworld/MM.
MM/Mizery cannot be in w/w, neither can loldebite/deathworld, MM/Vittae, Vittae/Mizery

ngl, just reviewing voting patterns on a surface level gives off higher possibility of deathworlds/mizery w/w pairing, rather than loldebite/MM, deathworld/MM.
MM/Mizery cannot be in w/w, neither can loldebite/deathworld, MM/Vittae, Vittae/Mizery

could get some pairing and anti pairing info here but I need to sleep now so I hope it's of some use....but if not, well at least I enjoyed summing that up.

could get some pairing and anti pairing info here but I need to sleep now so I hope it's of some use....but if not, well at least I enjoyed summing that up.

I meant to 'preview post' to make it neat and tidy....

I meant to 'preview post' to make it neat and tidy....

oh GREAT I forgot to put spoiler to the whole post
My bad people

oh GREAT I forgot to put spoiler to the whole post
My bad people

I'm going to list vote history (I'm assuming this is allowed) and perhaps someone with a better mind can get something out of it because I think reviewing the voting pattern could reveal something to go along with important questions that have been asked here today. Instead of sorting them per player, I think it is better to sort them chronologically. I'm going to ignore the first couple of votes that meant nothing. I will also list vote count.

First meaningful pressure vote on the basis that despite the numerous posts, PoD's posts lacked in content and quality.
[QUOTE=Vittae;973882]Hey folks, catching up with stuff now.

[vote]powerofdeath[/vote][/QUOTE]

In response, PoD OMGUS vote on Vittae
[QUOTE=powerofdeath;973911][vote]Vittae[/vote]

I dont really see the reason for fosing me beside low amount of posts[/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 1- Vittae[/B]

Then PoD changes to lolbite
[QUOTE=powerofdeath;973939]I am posting contents I feel like you're looking down on me for some reasons.

[vote]Loldebite[/vote][/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 1 - loldebite[/B]

Loldebite votes Vittae because of "To be fair to PoD, I do believe them now when they said they're struggling to make reads"
[QUOTE=Loldebite;973947]They haven't said that. Not here, at least.

[VOTE]Vittae[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 1 - loldebite 1 - Vittae[/B]

Mizery's first vote after her read.
[QUOTE=Mizery;973960]Mizery
ikarusdk
Vittae
Marshmallow Marshall

Deathworlds
Varcron
powerofdeath
Loldebite


[VOTE]loldebite[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 2 - loldebite 1 - Vittae[/B]

After a long post and reads, deathworlds first vote.
[QUOTE=deathworlds;973979][SPOILER=responses to all the post since I've had some nyquill]



okay yeah you know what, takes me a bit to get up and start actually reading the game, I don't do meta reads, so it takes me a while to build up enough evidence/gut for my reads.



Mass claim on d2 is probably the only way we win this game if we mislynch here.



yo letsgo, the first readslist of the game, not exactly thrilled to be near the bottom of your list.


I get why people hate on mech discussion, but that won't ever stop me from talking about it, also, I in general, agree with your position on Vittae here, strong opening, asking questions, generally pro-town.



Ikarus is a town read for me as well, for much of the same reasons, none of that "haha im totally not nervous to play some mafia right now" vibes you get from newer scum.




Ehhh memeing on entry isn't pro-town that's for sure, but personally, I wouldn't go so hard as to say it is damning either, closer to NAI than it is to a scum read imo.


I consider the whole thing as NAI, might be reading into it too much.



Hey now, there's a good shot that varcron is cit, or scum really.
If you think about it, useless town pr claim is a good claim for all allignments.
scum could be like: "oh hey, I'm a town power role! one of the few limited roles available, now a real town power will be forced to counterclaim in the event of mass claim and we can 1v1 in a one mislynched allowed setup, also, lookout/scout can suck it!"
citizen could be like: "Oh hey, I'm a town power role! Night kill me instead of a real town power role.
a powerful town power role could be like: "Hey, I'm a weak town power role, don't hit me scum!"
a useless tpr could be like: "Hey, I'm a useless tpr! (I am making this claim for WIFOM reasons Kappa )




I too am hoping for more content from pod.



yup.



scum makes up 1/4th of the entire population, if we can increase odds of a random lynch hitting scum by a significant enough margin (right now it's 20%), then i'd say it would be worth it.



loldebite, could you clarify what exactly you didn't like about MM's last post?



This is poor logic, citizens outnumber scum in almost every game, that doesn't mean we should let our power roles die every single game.



it is quite disappointing indeed, an increase of 20% up to like 33% (if I understood correctly based off of scum not both claiming tpr) is not particularly significant, nor an increase of odds I would like to out all the mechanical leverage we hold at night.



agreed.



mm seems to be quite contentious for people, appearing at the bottom of some peoples scum lists so far, and in the town lean areas as well.



You scum leaning pod right now makes me sad, mans just a bit rusty yeah? I'd hope he didn't roll scum because I'd like to play with him more.



You have all these town brownie points for me, but put me in the null slot?


I think varcron's claim is smart regardless of alignment, and therefor is NAI.



I think I understand what you're getting at right now, kinda lurky comments, being non-comitial in day chat.


Reminder, we are in the first 12ish hours of the game, some people need a bit of time to get the ball rolling, I in particular like to think I have a much stronger D2 than a D1.




Overall I like this list, I'm not so sure about putting pod in the very bottom and leaving me as a null at this stage of the game seems like a reasonable thing that you would do since you are not familiar with my d1 play.



I [I]really[/I] don't get the hype around RVS, is it meant to try and catch scum via vote count analysis? wouldn't that be better done when there are actual wagons being formed?




Performative forsmorative, pro town behavior is pro town, and me tricking you into liking you as scum just because you happen to like walls is a skill issue, effort-posting is not alignment indicative.



Regardless of alignment it is everyone's jobs to try to at least appear town, so they aren't being focused on being the days elimination, not alignment indicative.



yup, wolf = scum = mafia = bad guys



Actually I made it after the game started, which is a rarity for me but I originally had plans around SoD so I didn't have time to setup a big setup analysis wall like I tend to do.



+1, I think objectively, debbie's mechanical talk is more pro-town than mine, solving the game =/= solving the setup.



I will defend you on this point today, but no longer than that, hope to see some scum hunting from you soon.



I'm still malding about the fact that my role-card that I created for that game didn't even get a chance to do anything.



Ehhhhhhhhh this seems like a stretch to me, especially considering what vittae pointed out just below.





Vittae isn't the lynch today, saying that now.



make better content then Kappa



and with that we have another reads list and a vote for loldebite.
[/SPOILER]

[SPOILER=A long post about his reads]With everything in mind here is everyone's reads list as I saw them.

[B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Mizery's:[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Mizery
ikarusdk
Vittae[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Marshmallow Marshall
Loldebite
powerofdeath[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]
Deathworlds
Varcron[/COLOR]

[B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]loldebite's:[/COLOR][/B]

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Ikarusdk
Varcron
Vittae[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]PoD
deathworlds
mizery[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]MM[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]Vittae's:[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]ikarusdk

Varcron

Marshmallow Marshall*
Mizery*
[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Deathworlds (Null)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Loldebite
powerofdeath[/COLOR]

[B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Mizery's 2nd list[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Mizery
ikarusdk
Vittae
Marshmallow Marshall[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Deathworlds
Varcron
powerofdeath
Loldebite[/COLOR]


Here's my list:
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Deathworlds
Ikarusdk
Vittae
[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#008000"]Varcron[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]PowerofDeath
MM[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Mizery[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Loldebite[/COLOR]

Breakdown:
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Deathworlds[/COLOR]: I am town.
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Ikarusdk[/COLOR]: This mans gives me ceko first game town vibes, and I could read ceko pretty well back in the day, this is my strongest town read.
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Vittae[/COLOR]: Vittae is asking all the right questions, getting meta reads, prompting people, breaking down interactions, this is pro-town behavior.
[COLOR="#008000"]Varcron[/COLOR]: This revolves mostly around the claim he made, which while I think can be made by anyone of any alignment, I can see it more often than not, coming from a town perspective, especially as the first claim made. There is a shot we're being bamboozled so hard by an unprompted claim from scum, but I don't think that is the case here.
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]PoD[/COLOR]: Mans hasn't made a lot of content yet, but I suspect mans is just rusty, and is trying to get the gears to turn again, I suspect town, but intentional lurking is always a possibility.
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]MM[/COLOR]: MM has always been an enigma to me, and any attempts to read MM feel off, and I feel like he wraps all of his content in multiple layers of WIFOM that go over my head. I'll get a better feel for MM throughout the day, but this read I have the least confidence in.
[COLOR="#FFA500"]Mizery[/COLOR]: This is a scum lean pending a couple answered that I might have missed,
1.) Varcron and I are were at the bottom of your list near the start, but pod and loldebite flew right by us to be the new bottom, what makes you think pod and loldebite are more likely to be scum?
2.) What caused MM to go into your town reads?
Also in general it doesn't feel like your engaging too much with other players, responding such, you pumped out a couple of read lists but there's hardly any engagement from you to other players regarding game-related subjects.
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Loldebite[/COLOR]: their vote on vittae is goofy, and while publicly doing the math for a hypothetical d1 claim is "pro-town" if it doesn't help us or actually provide a plan then it's a nothingburger. Outside of that setup speculation, what else has been done from loldebite?
-sorry guys I missed SOD
-talk about old games
-ask about skips
-talk about how mafia don't get cits
-provide a read list with a lot of talk about "feeling"
-suggest that tpr are expendable in a hypothetical d1 claim world
-provide some responses to your reads list
-do math
-talk about math more
-talk about MM's meta (also wtf I totally see MM as a powerwolfer)
-provide games for meta reading
-say something was funny
-wow an actual post talking about interactions between different players, crazy!!!
-poke at PoD's inactivity
-say ika might be faking their obv genuine reactions
-get confused by a vote from pod
-jump out at a very choice misread of vittae's post.[/SPOILER]

I'm not really buying that loldebite is town right now.
[vote]loldebite[/vote][/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 3 - loldebite 1 - Vittae[/B]

Loldebite retracts her vote on Vittae
[QUOTE=Loldebite;973986]I didn't really buy it either but figured it'd be a prompt for interesting discussions - a kind of gambit I guess ? :D

[VOTE]unvote[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 3 - loldebite[/B]

After my post about '4min post' and back and forth interaction between MM and loldebite, MM places a pressure vote on PoD
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;974007]oh nevermind my last question to you lol

Ikarus, am I correct in my understanding that you are scumreading me because you think I'm wrong on Debbie? Also, what are your thoughts on the post I quoted from him, considering it basically answers your concern?

~~

Reading POD's posts, I remain unimpressed, but also feel like he's just being "the nice guy", remembering good memories about the site or something like that. That is not alignment indicative in itself, but it becomes scummy if it lasts too long without more elaborate content (considering his pushes, questions, etc. have been strictly defensive and borderline OMGUS-y so far, with a shallow "liking" of Vittae's reaction to his vote that isn't backed up by any other post in his ISO). Considering this, I am placing a pressure vote. I don't think we should lynch him just yet, but definetly think he is a little too comfortable with one vote on him.

[vote]powerofdeath[/vote][/QUOTE]

[B]2 - PoD 3 - loldebite[/B]

After a series of back and forth with PoD and defending loldebite, MM votes on Mizery because alleged TMI
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;974085]- [SPOILER=MM's reads and about Mizery's TMI]My townread on Varcron is pending [I]mechanical confirmation[/I], which shouldn't exactly be a surprise - he is nonetheless my top town read and that was very clear.

- Your take on my Vittae read is actually the only correct one in this post: I have zero confidence in reading this kind of experienced, high effort players on D1 when they make no brilliant moves or terrible blunders. This one is DEFINETLY pending actually AI stuff.

- Yes, loldebite is a micro-read with little strength (but still with SOME strength, which is why he is not in nulls, but in a town lean category that's right next to the nulls)... and? This feels like a gratuitous discredit with basically nothing around it.

- I didn't say I was unable to read Ikarus, but rather that I'm waiting on a reply from him to read him. The question I asked him is literally two posts away from the one you quoted. Also, you just said "you said you weren't townreading him despite him being towny, ????!?"... which, once again, really is just a discredit without content

- Uuuuh, that's all you have to say about your weird "we're winning"? [B]I refuse to let it be dismissed as nothing at all without even an explanation.[/B]

- You're acting like it's the middle of day 3 and everyone has novels to read people on, while you aren't even doing that [I]yourself[/I] for the very good reason that it's not possible yet: your post is literally post #252. The level of certainty you are showing here does not match that of your posts that feature actual reads, and it definetly doesn't match the state of the game right now - which strengthens my TMI suspicions.

Overall, this is a very dishonest post with a lot of misrepresentations (or partial representations, let's say) and a whole lot of red paint; it's literally a big discredit ball thrown at me without even an actual conclusion to it, it's just pointing at things to make them look bad when they actually aren't. There isn't a hint of genuine solviness in there.[/SPOILER]

[vote]Mizery[/vote][/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 3 - loldebite 1 - Mizery[/B]

MM changes vote to PoD
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;974105]...actually, LYLO is literally tomorrow if we mislynch today

[vote]powerofdeath[/vote]

My scumread on Mizery still stands and is actually stronger now, assuming POD flips scum[/QUOTE]

[B]2 - PoD 3 - loldebite[/B]

After back and forth with MM again, PoD votes MM.
[QUOTE=powerofdeath;974109][COLOR="#0000FF"]Again with "mislynch".[/COLOR]

it's almost like you know I am a mislynch. I feel like this is a hard slip by MM.

[vote]Marshmallow Marshall[/vote][/QUOTE]

[B]2 - PoD 2 - loldebite 1 - MM[/B]

After a long time of discussions Mizery votes MM
[QUOTE=Mizery;974171][VOTE]marshmallowmarshal[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

[B]2 - PoD 1 - loldebite 2 - MM[/B]

Vittae changes his vote from PoD to deathworlds
[QUOTE=Vittae;974172][vote]Deathworlds[/vote]

I think this is a hit actually.[/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 1 - loldebite 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds[/B]

deathworlds changes his vote from deb to Mizery
[QUOTE=deathworlds;974187]Screw you vittae, I'm not scum.
[Vote]Mizery[/vote]
I'm voting between any of miz, loldebite, and pod, I [I]refuse[/I] to be the lynch today[/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery[/B]

Varcron puts his first vote on Mizery
[QUOTE=Varcron;974215][vote]Mizery[/vote]

This lynch benefits the town the most imo

I will not be here for EOD, as I have an appointment I need to go to. GL all, that's where my vote will stay.[/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery[/B]

Mizery stands by her vote on MM
[QUOTE=Mizery;974229][VOTE]marshmallow marshall[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

[B]1 - PoD 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery[/B]

After waking up and after quick review of comments I put my first vote PoD based on how I felt about the player
[QUOTE=ikarusdk;974243][vote]powerfodeath[/vote][/QUOTE]

[B]2 - PoD 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery[/B]

Mizery changes her vote from MM to deathworlds
[QUOTE=Mizery;974265]What a boring vc

[VOTE]deathworlds[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

[B]2 - PoD 1 - MM 2 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery[/B]

In a 3 way tie, PoD changes his vote from MM to deathworlds
[QUOTE=powerofdeath;974273]deathworlds is one of my null read. I am not hanging Mizery

So like, I'm forced to switch to survive here.

[vote]deathworlds[/vote][/QUOTE]

[B]2 - PoD 3 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery[/B]

In response, deathworlds changes his vote from Mizery to PoD
[QUOTE=deathworlds;974305][Vote]PowerofDeath[/vote]
I'm sorry ma he was my dog I'll do it.
I'm [B]not[/B] going to be mislynched today[/QUOTE]

[B]3 - PoD 3 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery[/B]

In a 2 way tie, loldebite put her vote to PoD
[QUOTE=Loldebite;974317][VOTE]powerofdeath[/VOTE]

I guess I should land a vote somewhere[/QUOTE]

[B]4 - PoD 3 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery[/B]

loldebite changes her vote after a while to deathworlds
[QUOTE=Loldebite;974352][VOTE]Deathworlds[/VOTE]

one man CFD let's go[/QUOTE]

[B]3 - PoD 4 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery[/B]

Mizery changes her vote from deathworlds to MM, resulting in a tie till EoD.
[QUOTE=Mizery;974385][VOTE]marshmallow marshall[/VOTE][/QUOTE]

[B]3 - PoD 3 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery 1 - MM[/B]

I'm going to list vote history (I'm assuming this is allowed) and perhaps someone with a better mind can get something out of it because I think reviewing the voting pattern could reveal something to go along with important questions that have been asked here today. Instead of sorting them per player, I think it is better to sort them chronologically. I'm going to ignore the first couple of votes that meant nothing. I will also list vote count.

First meaningful pressure vote on the basis that despite the numerous posts, PoD's posts lacked in content and quality.

Originally Posted by Vittae

Hey folks, catching up with stuff now.

-vote powerofdeath

In response, PoD OMGUS vote on Vittae

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

-vote Vittae

I dont really see the reason for fosing me beside low amount of posts

1 - PoD 1- Vittae

Then PoD changes to lolbite

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

I am posting contents I feel like you're looking down on me for some reasons.

-vote Loldebite

1 - PoD 1 - loldebite

Loldebite votes Vittae because of "To be fair to PoD, I do believe them now when they said they're struggling to make reads"

Originally Posted by Loldebite

They haven't said that. Not here, at least.

-vote Vittae

1 - PoD 1 - loldebite 1 - Vittae

Mizery's first vote after her read.

Originally Posted by Mizery

Mizery
ikarusdk
Vittae
Marshmallow Marshall

Deathworlds
Varcron
powerofdeath
Loldebite

-vote loldebite

1 - PoD 2 - loldebite 1 - Vittae

After a long post and reads, deathworlds first vote.

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Spoiler : responses to all the post since I've had some nyquill :

okay yeah you know what, takes me a bit to get up and start actually reading the game, I don't do meta reads, so it takes me a while to build up enough evidence/gut for my reads.



Mass claim on d2 is probably the only way we win this game if we mislynch here.



yo letsgo, the first readslist of the game, not exactly thrilled to be near the bottom of your list.


I get why people hate on mech discussion, but that won't ever stop me from talking about it, also, I in general, agree with your position on Vittae here, strong opening, asking questions, generally pro-town.



Ikarus is a town read for me as well, for much of the same reasons, none of that "haha im totally not nervous to play some mafia right now" vibes you get from newer scum.




Ehhh memeing on entry isn't pro-town that's for sure, but personally, I wouldn't go so hard as to say it is damning either, closer to NAI than it is to a scum read imo.


I consider the whole thing as NAI, might be reading into it too much.



Hey now, there's a good shot that varcron is cit, or scum really.
If you think about it, useless town pr claim is a good claim for all allignments.
scum could be like: "oh hey, I'm a town power role! one of the few limited roles available, now a real town power will be forced to counterclaim in the event of mass claim and we can 1v1 in a one mislynched allowed setup, also, lookout/scout can suck it!"
citizen could be like: "Oh hey, I'm a town power role! Night kill me instead of a real town power role.
a powerful town power role could be like: "Hey, I'm a weak town power role, don't hit me scum!"
a useless tpr could be like: "Hey, I'm a useless tpr! (I am making this claim for WIFOM reasons )




I too am hoping for more content from pod.



yup.



scum makes up 1/4th of the entire population, if we can increase odds of a random lynch hitting scum by a significant enough margin (right now it's 20%), then i'd say it would be worth it.



loldebite, could you clarify what exactly you didn't like about MM's last post?



This is poor logic, citizens outnumber scum in almost every game, that doesn't mean we should let our power roles die every single game.



it is quite disappointing indeed, an increase of 20% up to like 33% (if I understood correctly based off of scum not both claiming tpr) is not particularly significant, nor an increase of odds I would like to out all the mechanical leverage we hold at night.



agreed.



mm seems to be quite contentious for people, appearing at the bottom of some peoples scum lists so far, and in the town lean areas as well.



You scum leaning pod right now makes me sad, mans just a bit rusty yeah? I'd hope he didn't roll scum because I'd like to play with him more.



You have all these town brownie points for me, but put me in the null slot?


I think varcron's claim is smart regardless of alignment, and therefor is NAI.



I think I understand what you're getting at right now, kinda lurky comments, being non-comitial in day chat.


Reminder, we are in the first 12ish hours of the game, some people need a bit of time to get the ball rolling, I in particular like to think I have a much stronger D2 than a D1.




Overall I like this list, I'm not so sure about putting pod in the very bottom and leaving me as a null at this stage of the game seems like a reasonable thing that you would do since you are not familiar with my d1 play.



I really don't get the hype around RVS, is it meant to try and catch scum via vote count analysis? wouldn't that be better done when there are actual wagons being formed?




Performative forsmorative, pro town behavior is pro town, and me tricking you into liking you as scum just because you happen to like walls is a skill issue, effort-posting is not alignment indicative.



Regardless of alignment it is everyone's jobs to try to at least appear town, so they aren't being focused on being the days elimination, not alignment indicative.



yup, wolf = scum = mafia = bad guys



Actually I made it after the game started, which is a rarity for me but I originally had plans around SoD so I didn't have time to setup a big setup analysis wall like I tend to do.



+1, I think objectively, debbie's mechanical talk is more pro-town than mine, solving the game =/= solving the setup.



I will defend you on this point today, but no longer than that, hope to see some scum hunting from you soon.



I'm still malding about the fact that my role-card that I created for that game didn't even get a chance to do anything.



Ehhhhhhhhh this seems like a stretch to me, especially considering what vittae pointed out just below.





Vittae isn't the lynch today, saying that now.



make better content then



and with that we have another reads list and a vote for loldebite.

Spoiler : A long post about his reads :

With everything in mind here is everyone's reads list as I saw them.

Mizery's:
Mizery
ikarusdk
Vittae

Marshmallow Marshall
Loldebite
powerofdeath

Deathworlds
Varcron

loldebite's:

Ikarusdk
Varcron
Vittae

PoD
deathworlds
mizery

MM

Vittae's:
ikarusdk

Varcron

Marshmallow Marshall*
Mizery*

Deathworlds (Null)

Loldebite
powerofdeath

Mizery's 2nd list
Mizery
ikarusdk
Vittae
Marshmallow Marshall

Deathworlds
Varcron
powerofdeath
Loldebite


Here's my list:
Deathworlds
Ikarusdk
Vittae

Varcron

PowerofDeath
MM

Mizery
Loldebite

Breakdown:
Deathworlds: I am town.
Ikarusdk: This mans gives me ceko first game town vibes, and I could read ceko pretty well back in the day, this is my strongest town read.
Vittae: Vittae is asking all the right questions, getting meta reads, prompting people, breaking down interactions, this is pro-town behavior.
Varcron: This revolves mostly around the claim he made, which while I think can be made by anyone of any alignment, I can see it more often than not, coming from a town perspective, especially as the first claim made. There is a shot we're being bamboozled so hard by an unprompted claim from scum, but I don't think that is the case here.
PoD: Mans hasn't made a lot of content yet, but I suspect mans is just rusty, and is trying to get the gears to turn again, I suspect town, but intentional lurking is always a possibility.
MM: MM has always been an enigma to me, and any attempts to read MM feel off, and I feel like he wraps all of his content in multiple layers of WIFOM that go over my head. I'll get a better feel for MM throughout the day, but this read I have the least confidence in.
Mizery: This is a scum lean pending a couple answered that I might have missed,
1.) Varcron and I are were at the bottom of your list near the start, but pod and loldebite flew right by us to be the new bottom, what makes you think pod and loldebite are more likely to be scum?
2.) What caused MM to go into your town reads?
Also in general it doesn't feel like your engaging too much with other players, responding such, you pumped out a couple of read lists but there's hardly any engagement from you to other players regarding game-related subjects.
Loldebite: their vote on vittae is goofy, and while publicly doing the math for a hypothetical d1 claim is "pro-town" if it doesn't help us or actually provide a plan then it's a nothingburger. Outside of that setup speculation, what else has been done from loldebite?
-sorry guys I missed SOD
-talk about old games
-ask about skips
-talk about how mafia don't get cits
-provide a read list with a lot of talk about "feeling"
-suggest that tpr are expendable in a hypothetical d1 claim world
-provide some responses to your reads list
-do math
-talk about math more
-talk about MM's meta (also wtf I totally see MM as a powerwolfer)
-provide games for meta reading
-say something was funny
-wow an actual post talking about interactions between different players, crazy!!!
-poke at PoD's inactivity
-say ika might be faking their obv genuine reactions
-get confused by a vote from pod
-jump out at a very choice misread of vittae's post.

I'm not really buying that loldebite is town right now.

-vote loldebite

1 - PoD 3 - loldebite 1 - Vittae

Loldebite retracts her vote on Vittae

Originally Posted by Loldebite

I didn't really buy it either but figured it'd be a prompt for interesting discussions - a kind of gambit I guess ?

-vote unvote

1 - PoD 3 - loldebite

After my post about '4min post' and back and forth interaction between MM and loldebite, MM places a pressure vote on PoD

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

oh nevermind my last question to you lol

Ikarus, am I correct in my understanding that you are scumreading me because you think I'm wrong on Debbie? Also, what are your thoughts on the post I quoted from him, considering it basically answers your concern?

~~

Reading POD's posts, I remain unimpressed, but also feel like he's just being "the nice guy", remembering good memories about the site or something like that. That is not alignment indicative in itself, but it becomes scummy if it lasts too long without more elaborate content (considering his pushes, questions, etc. have been strictly defensive and borderline OMGUS-y so far, with a shallow "liking" of Vittae's reaction to his vote that isn't backed up by any other post in his ISO). Considering this, I am placing a pressure vote. I don't think we should lynch him just yet, but definetly think he is a little too comfortable with one vote on him.

-vote powerofdeath

2 - PoD 3 - loldebite

After a series of back and forth with PoD and defending loldebite, MM votes on Mizery because alleged TMI

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

-

Spoiler : MM's reads and about Mizery's TMI :

My townread on Varcron is pending mechanical confirmation, which shouldn't exactly be a surprise - he is nonetheless my top town read and that was very clear.

- Your take on my Vittae read is actually the only correct one in this post: I have zero confidence in reading this kind of experienced, high effort players on D1 when they make no brilliant moves or terrible blunders. This one is DEFINETLY pending actually AI stuff.

- Yes, loldebite is a micro-read with little strength (but still with SOME strength, which is why he is not in nulls, but in a town lean category that's right next to the nulls)... and? This feels like a gratuitous discredit with basically nothing around it.

- I didn't say I was unable to read Ikarus, but rather that I'm waiting on a reply from him to read him. The question I asked him is literally two posts away from the one you quoted. Also, you just said "you said you weren't townreading him despite him being towny, ????!?"... which, once again, really is just a discredit without content

- Uuuuh, that's all you have to say about your weird "we're winning"? I refuse to let it be dismissed as nothing at all without even an explanation.

- You're acting like it's the middle of day 3 and everyone has novels to read people on, while you aren't even doing that yourself for the very good reason that it's not possible yet: your post is literally post #252. The level of certainty you are showing here does not match that of your posts that feature actual reads, and it definetly doesn't match the state of the game right now - which strengthens my TMI suspicions.

Overall, this is a very dishonest post with a lot of misrepresentations (or partial representations, let's say) and a whole lot of red paint; it's literally a big discredit ball thrown at me without even an actual conclusion to it, it's just pointing at things to make them look bad when they actually aren't. There isn't a hint of genuine solviness in there.

-vote Mizery

1 - PoD 3 - loldebite 1 - Mizery

MM changes vote to PoD

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

...actually, LYLO is literally tomorrow if we mislynch today

-vote powerofdeath

My scumread on Mizery still stands and is actually stronger now, assuming POD flips scum

2 - PoD 3 - loldebite

After back and forth with MM again, PoD votes MM.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

Again with "mislynch".

it's almost like you know I am a mislynch. I feel like this is a hard slip by MM.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

2 - PoD 2 - loldebite 1 - MM

After a long time of discussions Mizery votes MM

Originally Posted by Mizery

-vote marshmallowmarshal

2 - PoD 1 - loldebite 2 - MM

Vittae changes his vote from PoD to deathworlds

Originally Posted by Vittae

-vote Deathworlds

I think this is a hit actually.

1 - PoD 1 - loldebite 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds

deathworlds changes his vote from deb to Mizery

Originally Posted by deathworlds

Screw you vittae, I'm not scum.

-vote Mizery

I'm voting between any of miz, loldebite, and pod, I refuse to be the lynch today

1 - PoD 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery

Varcron puts his first vote on Mizery

Originally Posted by Varcron

-vote Mizery

This lynch benefits the town the most imo

I will not be here for EOD, as I have an appointment I need to go to. GL all, that's where my vote will stay.

1 - PoD 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery

Mizery stands by her vote on MM

Originally Posted by Mizery

-vote marshmallow marshall

1 - PoD 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery

After waking up and after quick review of comments I put my first vote PoD based on how I felt about the player

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

-vote powerfodeath

2 - PoD 2 - MM 1 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery

Mizery changes her vote from MM to deathworlds

Originally Posted by Mizery

What a boring vc

-vote deathworlds

2 - PoD 1 - MM 2 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery

In a 3 way tie, PoD changes his vote from MM to deathworlds

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

deathworlds is one of my null read. I am not hanging Mizery

So like, I'm forced to switch to survive here.

-vote deathworlds

2 - PoD 3 - deathworlds 2 - Mizery

In response, deathworlds changes his vote from Mizery to PoD

Originally Posted by deathworlds

-vote PowerofDeath

I'm sorry ma he was my dog I'll do it.
I'm not going to be mislynched today

3 - PoD 3 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery

In a 2 way tie, loldebite put her vote to PoD

Originally Posted by Loldebite

-vote powerofdeath

I guess I should land a vote somewhere

4 - PoD 3 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery

loldebite changes her vote after a while to deathworlds

Originally Posted by Loldebite

-vote Deathworlds

one man CFD let's go

3 - PoD 4 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery

Mizery changes her vote from deathworlds to MM, resulting in a tie till EoD.

Originally Posted by Mizery

-vote marshmallow marshall

3 - PoD 3 - deathworlds 1 - Mizery 1 - MM

But there were other stuff happening as well, so I can't answer you sand say yes or no

But there were other stuff happening as well, so I can't answer you sand say yes or no

[QUOTE=Vittae;974879][MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION] [MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION]

Do you think the D1 interactions between Deb and MM are unaligned on Deb's end cabe be w/w? My initial read on it was no, given Deb's inexperience as a wolf / with interacting and distancing from a partner and the frustration seeming to build up on Deb's earlier posts towards others and feeling genuine when they snapped at MM.

Given MM is low in the consensus PoE, I think this I a really important interaction to look into in more detail but it's definitely something I want a second opinion on.

Don't need to answer this question in the thread today, just check out that part of Deb's ISO?[/QUOTE]

Everyone is more experienced than I so I am going to assume everyone is capable of pulling something that seems unlikely, or doesn't seem to be the case. My initial reaction would've been no in day 1. But right now I think, yeah why not? There was a very convenient set of events that set loldebite off, and if it can make deb/MM an unlikely partner as a byproduct of the interactions, great!

After a few posts, loldebite and MM did go back and forth at each other.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;974009]Tbh I'm falling asleep on my keyboard so I should go away lol, but Mizery's "we're winning" is pinging me hard on the side of TMI. It's not like we have any particularly super promising leads at the moment, so I have [I]doubts[/I] here, big doubts

Preliminary list of reads before sleep:

[COLOR="#00FF00"]MM (duh)

Varcron (claim; there's nothing else for now, really, so he gets his own special category until we get into more mechanica stuff)

Vittae (seems skilled and relatively charismatic, and although they definetly have been trying to get things moving, this could easily be done as any alignment, so I remain vigilant even though they are towny)

Loldebite (solely because of the "what would scum claim" mech post, which isn't much, but which is something)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Ikarus (pending something to read him, more on this later)
POD (decaying into scum if nothing changes, but for now, he still has the benefit of the doubt)[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FF8C00"]Mizery (TMI?)
Deathworlds (still icky about the early mech post being performative-ish, nothing much said since then)[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Loldebite;974032]There's a good chance that MM is trying to pocket me. He's done that before.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Loldebite;974044]I... Can't say I agree tbh. His readslist is basically "debbie wrote a wall in 4 minutes so he's scum" and "MM is scum because debbie is scum". It IS content, but I fail to see how that's impressive. None of the more recent posts felt particularly interesting either, except maybe the part about PoD and AtE.

This feels as much as a pocketing attempt as MM's comments about me tbh.[/QUOTE]


MM townread deb here then deb accused MM of trying to pocket her, and MM calling her paranoid. Actively trying to distance each other? Possible.

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;974015]There is a good chance that if Lold flip scum, MM is their partner that is trying to derail/form a counterwagon to save their partner.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Vittae

@ikarusdk @Mizery @deathworlds

Do you think the D1 interactions between Deb and MM are unaligned on Deb's end cabe be w/w? My initial read on it was no, given Deb's inexperience as a wolf / with interacting and distancing from a partner and the frustration seeming to build up on Deb's earlier posts towards others and feeling genuine when they snapped at MM.

Given MM is low in the consensus PoE, I think this I a really important interaction to look into in more detail but it's definitely something I want a second opinion on.

Don't need to answer this question in the thread today, just check out that part of Deb's ISO?

Everyone is more experienced than I so I am going to assume everyone is capable of pulling something that seems unlikely, or doesn't seem to be the case. My initial reaction would've been no in day 1. But right now I think, yeah why not? There was a very convenient set of events that set loldebite off, and if it can make deb/MM an unlikely partner as a byproduct of the interactions, great!

After a few posts, loldebite and MM did go back and forth at each other.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Tbh I'm falling asleep on my keyboard so I should go away lol, but Mizery's "we're winning" is pinging me hard on the side of TMI. It's not like we have any particularly super promising leads at the moment, so I have doubts here, big doubts

Preliminary list of reads before sleep:

MM (duh)

Varcron (claim; there's nothing else for now, really, so he gets his own special category until we get into more mechanica stuff)

Vittae (seems skilled and relatively charismatic, and although they definetly have been trying to get things moving, this could easily be done as any alignment, so I remain vigilant even though they are towny)

Loldebite (solely because of the "what would scum claim" mech post, which isn't much, but which is something)

Ikarus (pending something to read him, more on this later)
POD (decaying into scum if nothing changes, but for now, he still has the benefit of the doubt)

Mizery (TMI?)
Deathworlds (still icky about the early mech post being performative-ish, nothing much said since then)

Originally Posted by Loldebite

There's a good chance that MM is trying to pocket me. He's done that before.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

I... Can't say I agree tbh. His readslist is basically "debbie wrote a wall in 4 minutes so he's scum" and "MM is scum because debbie is scum". It IS content, but I fail to see how that's impressive. None of the more recent posts felt particularly interesting either, except maybe the part about PoD and AtE.

This feels as much as a pocketing attempt as MM's comments about me tbh.

MM townread deb here then deb accused MM of trying to pocket her, and MM calling her paranoid. Actively trying to distance each other? Possible.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

There is a good chance that if Lold flip scum, MM is their partner that is trying to derail/form a counterwagon to save their partner.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;974882]I don't really get what you are asking,

But her ISO reads like her frustration starts with POD's refusal/inability to play upto her standard, further ignited by my post about her writing resulting in snapping at MM and Mizery. If she was actively trying to isolate herself from her partner, it was very fluid, through a very fluid set of events.[/QUOTE]

Never mind, I got the question.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I don't really get what you are asking,

But her ISO reads like her frustration starts with POD's refusal/inability to play upto her standard, further ignited by my post about her writing resulting in snapping at MM and Mizery. If she was actively trying to isolate herself from her partner, it was very fluid, through a very fluid set of events.

Never mind, I got the question.

[QUOTE=Vittae;974879][MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] [MENTION=45970]Mizery[/MENTION] [MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION]

Do you think the D1 interactions between Deb and MM are unaligned on Deb's end cabe be w/w? [/QUOTE]


I don't really get what you are asking,

But her ISO reads like her frustration starts with POD's refusal/inability to play upto her standard, further ignited by my post about her writing resulting in snapping at MM and Mizery. If she was actively trying to isolate herself from her partner, it was very fluid, through a very fluid set of events.

Originally Posted by Vittae

@ikarusdk @Mizery @deathworlds

Do you think the D1 interactions between Deb and MM are unaligned on Deb's end cabe be w/w?

I don't really get what you are asking,

But her ISO reads like her frustration starts with POD's refusal/inability to play upto her standard, further ignited by my post about her writing resulting in snapping at MM and Mizery. If she was actively trying to isolate herself from her partner, it was very fluid, through a very fluid set of events.

and [MENTION=9527]deathworlds[/MENTION]

I'd like to hear about your thoughts on Mizery/MM/Vittae as well.

and @deathworlds

I'd like to hear about your thoughts on Mizery/MM/Vittae as well.

Can I ask [MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]?

Unless I am missing something, most of your posts in day 2 have been about Mizery and POD and replying about your actions.
Between loldebite, deathworld and myself, and since there is a wolf among us three, who do you suspect the most? Have you had time to think about it?

Can I ask @Marshmallow Marshall ?

Unless I am missing something, most of your posts in day 2 have been about Mizery and POD and replying about your actions.
Between loldebite, deathworld and myself, and since there is a wolf among us three, who do you suspect the most? Have you had time to think about it?

[QUOTE=Loldebite;974870][MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] Might as well tag you directly while I'm at it (and know how to do so easily !)[/QUOTE]

Yeah got it. Not sure if it will work but it's definitely wort a try if it will help town.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

@ikarusdk Might as well tag you directly while I'm at it (and know how to do so easily !)

Yeah got it. Not sure if it will work but it's definitely wort a try if it will help town.

[QUOTE=Vittae;974843]I have no idea but you bring up a good possibility and it would be a smart idea to verify your role so that 1. We know that if for whatever reason we find out that it's likely the mafia can't have a Bartender then you're much more likely clear and 2. Guarantees you aren't using your ability as mafia to do harm (very very useful).

If you can do this, definitely submit an action on one of the VT claims (not me as if you survive the night then I'll almost certainly be the nightkill and not get your night result).[/QUOTE]

Yes I am going to try. But I think im going to be night killed first.

Originally Posted by Vittae

I have no idea but you bring up a good possibility and it would be a smart idea to verify your role so that 1. We know that if for whatever reason we find out that it's likely the mafia can't have a Bartender then you're much more likely clear and 2. Guarantees you aren't using your ability as mafia to do harm (very very useful).

If you can do this, definitely submit an action on one of the VT claims (not me as if you survive the night then I'll almost certainly be the nightkill and not get your night result).

Yes I am going to try. But I think im going to be night killed first.

[QUOTE=Vittae;974833]I think we should all begin our wills with "BUT ONE LAST THING" and proceed to drop a case on Miz[/QUOTE]

LAST WILL

...
....
...

BUT ONE LAST THING

Mizery threatened to kill all of us.


Am I doing it right

Originally Posted by Vittae

I think we should all begin our wills with "BUT ONE LAST THING" and proceed to drop a case on Miz

LAST WILL

...
....
...

BUT ONE LAST THING

Mizery threatened to kill all of us.


Am I doing it right

[QUOTE=Mizery;974834]Everyone who voted him was also "misplaying hard" then, as a non-noob.

PoD made his alignment obvious enough later on despite not saying much or contributing much and you can't push that onto him after misreading him.

also that "non-noob" had taken a 7 year hiatus from mafia and you can't expect people to jump back in and be gods after all the theoretical game meta and player changes that have taken place.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973988]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]PoD[/COLOR]
Well people are grilling PoD for not coming up with genuine game related content! True, but PoD has been away for 7 years and because I don't know how he used to play i am willing to give him a benefit of the doubt. People do need time to get back into things you know?

Although I do need to say too many of PoD's post were AtE, which I don't like, and if my first game taught me anything, you gotta be careful about that.
[/QUOTE]

I TRIED

Originally Posted by Mizery

Everyone who voted him was also "misplaying hard" then, as a non-noob.

PoD made his alignment obvious enough later on despite not saying much or contributing much and you can't push that onto him after misreading him.

also that "non-noob" had taken a 7 year hiatus from mafia and you can't expect people to jump back in and be gods after all the theoretical game meta and player changes that have taken place.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

PoD
Well people are grilling PoD for not coming up with genuine game related content! True, but PoD has been away for 7 years and because I don't know how he used to play i am willing to give him a benefit of the doubt. People do need time to get back into things you know?

Although I do need to say too many of PoD's post were AtE, which I don't like, and if my first game taught me anything, you gotta be careful about that.

I TRIED

Anyway, that is my attempt at back reading my log and trying to remember my thought progress and feelings at the time.

Anyway, that is my attempt at back reading my log and trying to remember my thought progress and feelings at the time.

[SPOILER=DAY 1 ]My mindset going into this game was that I was going to be very open, even if it sounds stupid or noobish, I'm going to say whatever I had in my mind to allow others to better read me as town. I was going to go as 'hard to read for a beginner' as I did in my previous two games (well I tried to be, not saying I was successful), but I thought that in this game where there are more players present, if i let myself read as town, it would help narrow down the list later on. Also as a beginner player who is being an obvious town, I didn't think mafia would prioritise killing me in night 1, especially if a PR claim appears. I knew my role was pretty garbage because I couldn't use my night action so I kept quiet about my role. That was my mindset in day 1.

Now to ISO myself,

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973800]I'm just going to trust you are 95% correct, purely based on seniority and experience. But it'll be a good idea to come back to this post and follow up as days progress.[/QUOTE]

This is me just reading and going along with death, there is no actual content behind my statements.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973801]Last game here with Mizery he was a town so I don't know what he means by he was going to rand wolf again, perhaps he is wolfing right now.

Edit *he thought he was going to random wolf[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973812]His opening statement in that game was pretty important in that his following posts made it easier for other towns believe he was town (from my POV). I wouldn't say it is nothing at this stage. I know it's just based off one game. It probably is him trying to appear as town as you said though. I'm just reading it as I see it.

If scum specifically claimed they are town, yeah that is nothing. But soft claim town by saying something that might not be true (unless Mizery played elsewhere where he was wolfing)? You could read more into it.

And maybe it is unwise to say you are town, but in some set ups I'm sure it is a strategy to hard claim town early in day 1 especially as a power role that is limited in number.[/QUOTE]

At this point in time, without any strong basis (it was still very early and this is based off one comment), I was questioning Mizery on her opening statement because I did not know how many games she has played since our last game. I knew it had no base. At the time I thought I'd start somewhere and I wanted to poke at Mizery, mainly because I had noone else to poke at the time (perhaps death? But I just said it was fun to read his post).

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973828]If true:

Armorsmith
Gunsmith
Blacksmith
[COLOR="#FFFFE0"]Chemist
Electromaniac[/COLOR]
Physician
[COLOR="#FFFFE0"]Stagecoach Driver[/COLOR]
Snitch
Tracker
Scout
Investigator
[COLOR="#FFFFE0"]Janitor
Bartender
Coward
Tailor
Operator[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

My attempt at trying to figure out what Varcron's role would be.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973830]I don't see a reason why Varcron would lie about it tbh.[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I don't remember exactly how I came to this conclusion, but I did, and I believed in my reasoning at the time. I honestly did not see any reason why he would lie about his role being non-town friendly.

Then I go off on discussion about why I believe certain roles are not town friendly especially N1.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973852]Varcron is a citizen xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

that is my guess on top of my head without assessing anything analysing anything.[/QUOTE]

Again, I don't remember exactly why, but I town read him and I believed him to be a town. I wanted to say he was a citizen because I thought he was WIFOMing to draw heat to himself and I wanted to WIFOM him myself to make it harder for mafia to figure out his role. Was I successful? No. Was it fun to think I created some confusion? Yes.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973863]Ok I don't know if this is appropriate right now but I townread deathworlds.

1. His speculation post was fun to read.
2.

Because he does not know some players here he can't trust that the rest of us won't do something that is detrimental to the patriots, so he did advise certain roles from using their action in N1

3.


I did not know I could. Very helpful. I wouldn't have done it without this prompt.

4. Just trying to be helpful for town (ok im tired of writing loyalists and patriots and i keep making typos when i do)

I genuinely found death's notes about last will helpful. His reminder not to use certain ability was a bit moot because unless you are stupid you should know, but there are stupid people so it makes sense he can't trust everyone to do what is right, as especially there is a new player (me) present. The first comment meant nothing. Since he at least looked helpful for town and he was the one that was being most helpful to me in some way, I townread him for it. Good enough reason? Perhaps. Is it correct? Perhaps. Perhaps he was gain towncred. Perhaps he was genuinely concerned about some players.


[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973983]Good morning/afternoon/evening.



Deathworlds set up speculation was a speculation, and did not attempt to solve the game. Towny? I don't think so. It was just fun to read. I guess I should've just left that out from my reason why I town read him.





I agree that Loldebites post was an actual breakdown of the game set up.

Two things I do not like loldebites mechanical break down post, and I think this is quite significant. When I read this post at first I had a feeling it was pre-written. But it is presented to us as a new thought. Now, with that in mind I had a re-read of the post this morning and I'm surprised to see that it was written in 4 minutes. Perhaps it is possible. Perhaps loldebites is used to the layout of the breakdowns in most games. But because something is possible, does that mean that is how it actually happened? *inserts speculation - Perhaps it was pre written in mafia chat to present it as a mechanical breakdown of the set up to appear helpful as a town, especially because we've been talking about how deathworlds breakdown is NAI (i still don't really know what this means but I think I do) and I townread him for it.[/QUOTE]

Now for the reason Loldebite had been grilling me hard. Yes, it does seem impossible for me to come up with the list and mechanics down in 4 minutes especially on a thought that just came up. My premise entirely depended on the potential of the post having been pre-written somewhere, and the thought of deb working on it on a separate tab did cross my mind. But I had to poke for it because if by any chance I was right, then I ignored something that could've been very important. BUT I ADMIT. I missed this part in her previous post

[QUOTE=Loldebite;973894]Wrapping up a big post but sparing a bit of time to answer quickly :
[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973988][COLOR="#00FF00"]Vittae [/COLOR]
Does come off as very analytical. Nothing he said alarmed me or anything, feels genuine in his questions and analysis. Asks the right questions as someone already pointed out and has thoughts that aligns with mine. Strongest town in my book

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Varcron[/COLOR]
I am just going by my own limited experience here. First unprompted town PR claim - is town. Perhaps to WIFOM or double WIFOM or even triple WIFOM. Towny. But I'd really like to wait for Varcron to start his day.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Deathworlds[/COLOR]
I still feel deathworlds is towny. Emphasis has been made about his initial mechanical breakdown, but that was just a speculation and the reason to put him in scumlist for his post having no actual game solving content means little to me. If anything, deathworlds certain instructions, while can be made as scum to gain towncred, are still valid.

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Mizery[/COLOR]
Her irritation of other people not reading her post made me giggle. Felt genuine. Having said that, nothing of her posts screamed out anything bad. I don't agree with some of her early reads, but we are still early in D1 so that's fine.

[COLOR="#FFFF00"]PoD[/COLOR]
Well people are grilling PoD for not coming up with genuine game related content! True, but PoD has been away for 7 years and because I don't know how he used to play i am willing to give him a benefit of the doubt. People do need time to get back into things you know?

Although I do need to say too many of PoD's post were AtE, which I don't like, and if my first game taught me anything, you gotta be careful about that.


[COLOR="#FFA500"]MM[/COLOR]
It turns out I do not like MM's posts. One reason is I disagree how you boost Loldebites breakdown when I had my doubts, and I still have my doubts as I explained in my previous post. The another one is this one.



Again, it is because I already have Loldebites at the bottom of my list.

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Loldebite[/COLOR]
Please refer to my previous post.



This is a read straight outta bed, and my reads can be as fleeting as a naked man running away from a husband of a married woman he slept with.[/QUOTE]

I still stand by most of my reasoning, but if I can change something would be about scumreading Lolbite for the reason I stated before.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973996]I know ceko, ceko used to play alot in arcade. Don't worry, I am not the same person.

To be quite honest, I don't like the tone PoD has used so far. As I stated earlier, they felt more or less AtE.

I also disagree with you about Vittae. Vittae has been the most outspoken player here thus far. Plenty of good content to go through.

Would you be able to explain why you feel loldebites sound scummy when you manage to find why later on?[/QUOTE]

I still feel the same way, and perhaps the reason for my vote on PoD is because of AtE, very defensive nature without countering any reasons or pointing to somewhere else. I do admit, I do feel a bit uneasy when it comes to Vittae, and it might be because Vittae is overly helpful. Asking too many too good questions, and with a lot of content. Perhaps Vittae is really good at wolfing. Perhaps this is because Vittae is naturally a good town player and highly experienced. But if you place yourself in my shoes.... quality of post wise, if everyone else is either town or neutral, and you think about PoD's post and Vittae's posts... it's only naturally for me to assume PoD is being the least helpful.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;974242]Quick reassessment,

My scumread on Loldebite is pretty weak and relied on timing than real scumread.
If we vote Mizery/MM and mislynch I would've voted PoD. I am now leaning towards MM being town. Later posts by Mizery makes me suspicious, although given lack of time I have I don't know I can take my time to explain.

-vote Powerofdeath[/QUOTE]

I was running out of time because EoD was like 10 minutes left or something...

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;974247]If I'm wrong about PoD

My next day focous will be on
Mizery/Loldebite[/QUOTE]

I still felt uneasy about lol at the time, and because there was alot of people scumreading Mizery, I thought this was the right step even if I did not scum read Mizery.[/SPOILER]

Spoiler : DAY 1 :

My mindset going into this game was that I was going to be very open, even if it sounds stupid or noobish, I'm going to say whatever I had in my mind to allow others to better read me as town. I was going to go as 'hard to read for a beginner' as I did in my previous two games (well I tried to be, not saying I was successful), but I thought that in this game where there are more players present, if i let myself read as town, it would help narrow down the list later on. Also as a beginner player who is being an obvious town, I didn't think mafia would prioritise killing me in night 1, especially if a PR claim appears. I knew my role was pretty garbage because I couldn't use my night action so I kept quiet about my role. That was my mindset in day 1.

Now to ISO myself,

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I'm just going to trust you are 95% correct, purely based on seniority and experience. But it'll be a good idea to come back to this post and follow up as days progress.

This is me just reading and going along with death, there is no actual content behind my statements.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Last game here with Mizery he was a town so I don't know what he means by he was going to rand wolf again, perhaps he is wolfing right now.

Edit *he thought he was going to random wolf

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

His opening statement in that game was pretty important in that his following posts made it easier for other towns believe he was town (from my POV). I wouldn't say it is nothing at this stage. I know it's just based off one game. It probably is him trying to appear as town as you said though. I'm just reading it as I see it.

If scum specifically claimed they are town, yeah that is nothing. But soft claim town by saying something that might not be true (unless Mizery played elsewhere where he was wolfing)? You could read more into it.

And maybe it is unwise to say you are town, but in some set ups I'm sure it is a strategy to hard claim town early in day 1 especially as a power role that is limited in number.

At this point in time, without any strong basis (it was still very early and this is based off one comment), I was questioning Mizery on her opening statement because I did not know how many games she has played since our last game. I knew it had no base. At the time I thought I'd start somewhere and I wanted to poke at Mizery, mainly because I had noone else to poke at the time (perhaps death? But I just said it was fun to read his post).

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

If true:

Armorsmith
Gunsmith
Blacksmith
Chemist
Electromaniac
Physician
Stagecoach Driver
Snitch
Tracker
Scout
Investigator
Janitor
Bartender
Coward
Tailor
Operator

My attempt at trying to figure out what Varcron's role would be.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I don't see a reason why Varcron would lie about it tbh.

Honestly, I don't remember exactly how I came to this conclusion, but I did, and I believed in my reasoning at the time. I honestly did not see any reason why he would lie about his role being non-town friendly.

Then I go off on discussion about why I believe certain roles are not town friendly especially N1.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Varcron is a citizen xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

that is my guess on top of my head without assessing anything analysing anything.

Again, I don't remember exactly why, but I town read him and I believed him to be a town. I wanted to say he was a citizen because I thought he was WIFOMing to draw heat to himself and I wanted to WIFOM him myself to make it harder for mafia to figure out his role. Was I successful? No. Was it fun to think I created some confusion? Yes.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;973863]Ok I don't know if this is appropriate right now but I townread deathworlds.

1. His speculation post was fun to read.
2.

Because he does not know some players here he can't trust that the rest of us won't do something that is detrimental to the patriots, so he did advise certain roles from using their action in N1

3.


I did not know I could. Very helpful. I wouldn't have done it without this prompt.

4. Just trying to be helpful for town (ok im tired of writing loyalists and patriots and i keep making typos when i do)

I genuinely found death's notes about last will helpful. His reminder not to use certain ability was a bit moot because unless you are stupid you should know, but there are stupid people so it makes sense he can't trust everyone to do what is right, as especially there is a new player (me) present. The first comment meant nothing. Since he at least looked helpful for town and he was the one that was being most helpful to me in some way, I townread him for it. Good enough reason? Perhaps. Is it correct? Perhaps. Perhaps he was gain towncred. Perhaps he was genuinely concerned about some players.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Good morning/afternoon/evening.



Deathworlds set up speculation was a speculation, and did not attempt to solve the game. Towny? I don't think so. It was just fun to read. I guess I should've just left that out from my reason why I town read him.





I agree that Loldebites post was an actual breakdown of the game set up.

Two things I do not like loldebites mechanical break down post, and I think this is quite significant. When I read this post at first I had a feeling it was pre-written. But it is presented to us as a new thought. Now, with that in mind I had a re-read of the post this morning and I'm surprised to see that it was written in 4 minutes. Perhaps it is possible. Perhaps loldebites is used to the layout of the breakdowns in most games. But because something is possible, does that mean that is how it actually happened? *inserts speculation - Perhaps it was pre written in mafia chat to present it as a mechanical breakdown of the set up to appear helpful as a town, especially because we've been talking about how deathworlds breakdown is NAI (i still don't really know what this means but I think I do) and I townread him for it.

Now for the reason Loldebite had been grilling me hard. Yes, it does seem impossible for me to come up with the list and mechanics down in 4 minutes especially on a thought that just came up. My premise entirely depended on the potential of the post having been pre-written somewhere, and the thought of deb working on it on a separate tab did cross my mind. But I had to poke for it because if by any chance I was right, then I ignored something that could've been very important. BUT I ADMIT. I missed this part in her previous post

Originally Posted by Loldebite

Wrapping up a big post but sparing a bit of time to answer quickly :

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Vittae
Does come off as very analytical. Nothing he said alarmed me or anything, feels genuine in his questions and analysis. Asks the right questions as someone already pointed out and has thoughts that aligns with mine. Strongest town in my book

Varcron
I am just going by my own limited experience here. First unprompted town PR claim - is town. Perhaps to WIFOM or double WIFOM or even triple WIFOM. Towny. But I'd really like to wait for Varcron to start his day.

Deathworlds
I still feel deathworlds is towny. Emphasis has been made about his initial mechanical breakdown, but that was just a speculation and the reason to put him in scumlist for his post having no actual game solving content means little to me. If anything, deathworlds certain instructions, while can be made as scum to gain towncred, are still valid.

Mizery
Her irritation of other people not reading her post made me giggle. Felt genuine. Having said that, nothing of her posts screamed out anything bad. I don't agree with some of her early reads, but we are still early in D1 so that's fine.

PoD
Well people are grilling PoD for not coming up with genuine game related content! True, but PoD has been away for 7 years and because I don't know how he used to play i am willing to give him a benefit of the doubt. People do need time to get back into things you know?

Although I do need to say too many of PoD's post were AtE, which I don't like, and if my first game taught me anything, you gotta be careful about that.


MM
It turns out I do not like MM's posts. One reason is I disagree how you boost Loldebites breakdown when I had my doubts, and I still have my doubts as I explained in my previous post. The another one is this one.



Again, it is because I already have Loldebites at the bottom of my list.

Loldebite
Please refer to my previous post.



This is a read straight outta bed, and my reads can be as fleeting as a naked man running away from a husband of a married woman he slept with.

I still stand by most of my reasoning, but if I can change something would be about scumreading Lolbite for the reason I stated before.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I know ceko, ceko used to play alot in arcade. Don't worry, I am not the same person.

To be quite honest, I don't like the tone PoD has used so far. As I stated earlier, they felt more or less AtE.

I also disagree with you about Vittae. Vittae has been the most outspoken player here thus far. Plenty of good content to go through.

Would you be able to explain why you feel loldebites sound scummy when you manage to find why later on?

I still feel the same way, and perhaps the reason for my vote on PoD is because of AtE, very defensive nature without countering any reasons or pointing to somewhere else. I do admit, I do feel a bit uneasy when it comes to Vittae, and it might be because Vittae is overly helpful. Asking too many too good questions, and with a lot of content. Perhaps Vittae is really good at wolfing. Perhaps this is because Vittae is naturally a good town player and highly experienced. But if you place yourself in my shoes.... quality of post wise, if everyone else is either town or neutral, and you think about PoD's post and Vittae's posts... it's only naturally for me to assume PoD is being the least helpful.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Quick reassessment,

My scumread on Loldebite is pretty weak and relied on timing than real scumread.
If we vote Mizery/MM and mislynch I would've voted PoD. I am now leaning towards MM being town. Later posts by Mizery makes me suspicious, although given lack of time I have I don't know I can take my time to explain.

-vote Powerofdeath

I was running out of time because EoD was like 10 minutes left or something...

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

If I'm wrong about PoD

My next day focous will be on
Mizery/Loldebite

I still felt uneasy about lol at the time, and because there was alot of people scumreading Mizery, I thought this was the right step even if I did not scum read Mizery.

Even if we test my role on death, the possible mafia bartender could easily screw it up.

Question, can bartender cause a fake night action feedback on a role that has no night action?

By the way I'm trying to find time to ISO myself...

Even if we test my role on death, the possible mafia bartender could easily screw it up.

Question, can bartender cause a fake night action feedback on a role that has no night action?

By the way I'm trying to find time to ISO myself...

[QUOTE=Vittae;974794]Thanks.

Thoughts on the possibility that if you're town and Death is town, there could be a second mafia bartender instead of a tailor that messed with Death's results?

I'm considering the possibility of a setup where the mafia have an almost mirrored set of roles to us (invest/bartend/chemist town vs invest/bartend mafia) and this is basically the only possible setup where you and Death can be t/t and there is a mafia role that your night action could be used on (otherwise your role is legitimately useless instead of having a tiny purpose in the setup which I find pretty unlikely? Why would you get a role as town if the only purpose is to hurt town?).[/QUOTE]

It is definitely possible. It is just as likely that the mafia has a bartender not a tailor (both equally strong in mafia alignment imo). You are doing the correct thing to assume I am not confirmed because of this possibility.

In a world where death is town and him scanning loldebite as tailor unfortunately means nothing because the mafia bartender would've targetted death since his last minute claim.

I think it'd balance out 'town invest, town kill, town deception' vs 'mafia invest, mafia deception'

Originally Posted by Vittae

Thanks.

Thoughts on the possibility that if you're town and Death is town, there could be a second mafia bartender instead of a tailor that messed with Death's results?

I'm considering the possibility of a setup where the mafia have an almost mirrored set of roles to us (invest/bartend/chemist town vs invest/bartend mafia) and this is basically the only possible setup where you and Death can be t/t and there is a mafia role that your night action could be used on (otherwise your role is legitimately useless instead of having a tiny purpose in the setup which I find pretty unlikely? Why would you get a role as town if the only purpose is to hurt town?).

It is definitely possible. It is just as likely that the mafia has a bartender not a tailor (both equally strong in mafia alignment imo). You are doing the correct thing to assume I am not confirmed because of this possibility.

In a world where death is town and him scanning loldebite as tailor unfortunately means nothing because the mafia bartender would've targetted death since his last minute claim.

I think it'd balance out 'town invest, town kill, town deception' vs 'mafia invest, mafia deception'

[QUOTE=Vittae;974772][MENTION=27307]Loldebite[/MENTION] [MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION]

Go over everything you've done on D1 this game. I want your thoughts [I]in detail[/I] at every point. I want you to tell me stuff that you never posted, the things going through your head, the things that a wolf wouldn't think but you as a villager absolutely would. Tell me about your overall strategy - what did you focus on, was there anything your role did to affect the way you thought, how were you planning to find mafia and win this game? What about confidence - were there times you thought the game was easy or times you thought we were screwed? How did your reads change over the course of the game and why?

Just thoughts. Give me a lot of thoughts you thought that a mafia member wouldn't think but you definitely did think.

(I suggest ISOing yourself and going through it)

This is a very time-demanding question so if it's taking up a lot of your time I'm happy for you to stop part way through the Day as long as you've answered a reasonable bit or take a long time to answer this question.

You can skip it if you really want to but this is a proven very effective way to sort people's alignments.[/QUOTE]

I think I better leave this up to when I am up tomorrow. I will make sure to a reply in the morning. I am in bed right now and ISOing myself in a post is going to be painful on the phone in bed

Originally Posted by Vittae

@Loldebite @ikarusdk

Go over everything you've done on D1 this game. I want your thoughts in detail at every point. I want you to tell me stuff that you never posted, the things going through your head, the things that a wolf wouldn't think but you as a villager absolutely would. Tell me about your overall strategy - what did you focus on, was there anything your role did to affect the way you thought, how were you planning to find mafia and win this game? What about confidence - were there times you thought the game was easy or times you thought we were screwed? How did your reads change over the course of the game and why?

Just thoughts. Give me a lot of thoughts you thought that a mafia member wouldn't think but you definitely did think.

(I suggest ISOing yourself and going through it)

This is a very time-demanding question so if it's taking up a lot of your time I'm happy for you to stop part way through the Day as long as you've answered a reasonable bit or take a long time to answer this question.

You can skip it if you really want to but this is a proven very effective way to sort people's alignments.

I think I better leave this up to when I am up tomorrow. I will make sure to a reply in the morning. I am in bed right now and ISOing myself in a post is going to be painful on the phone in bed

[QUOTE=Vittae;974770]Ok I can buy this thank you.

Given you know you're 100% town now from your perspective do you think that one of Deb and Death is more or less likely from a setup balance perspective?

Also, did you do anything on D1 that either hinted at your role deliberately or that you wouldn't have done if you didn't have your role?[/QUOTE]

I didn't try hint at my role at all. I was genuinely trying to do guesswork with what I had on day 1. I knew I could not use my night action at least in day 1 so even if I had a different role, I don't think I would've done anything different.

As to answer your question about deb vs death.

This is a hard one to answer but I will try.
If deb was a snitch, that means we can take Varcron at face value, more or less, that he was indeed town chemist. This aligns with what Varcron was hinting at about his role. But this does not mean mafia wouldn't have a tailor.
Because I am 100% town bartender from my POV, this means town PR set up is Snitch(investigative) chemist (killing) bartender (deception).

If deb was a tailor as death claimed, that means Varcron is tailored from something but what could it be? Was he really a PR? Was he a citizen? If he was a citizen then there is another PR hiding in citizen claim and since there are 3 of you already, I doubt this was really the case because this means deb and death are w/w. I think this narrative is least likely at this stage. This means I think Varcron was really a town PR. But whatever his role was, he did claim the night action was bad for town and this means his role was eother killing or deception. Since I am already in deception category, I think he was a killing role, meaning there is NO tailor, or tailor changed Varcron to something he actually was.

Both scenario results in town invest, killing and deception in my mind.


Which is more likely, I do not know. I am sure there is something I am missing here and I am trying to find the breadcrumb but it is 2am and my mind is sleepy

Originally Posted by Vittae

Ok I can buy this thank you.

Given you know you're 100% town now from your perspective do you think that one of Deb and Death is more or less likely from a setup balance perspective?

Also, did you do anything on D1 that either hinted at your role deliberately or that you wouldn't have done if you didn't have your role?

I didn't try hint at my role at all. I was genuinely trying to do guesswork with what I had on day 1. I knew I could not use my night action at least in day 1 so even if I had a different role, I don't think I would've done anything different.

As to answer your question about deb vs death.

This is a hard one to answer but I will try.
If deb was a snitch, that means we can take Varcron at face value, more or less, that he was indeed town chemist. This aligns with what Varcron was hinting at about his role. But this does not mean mafia wouldn't have a tailor.
Because I am 100% town bartender from my POV, this means town PR set up is Snitch(investigative) chemist (killing) bartender (deception).

If deb was a tailor as death claimed, that means Varcron is tailored from something but what could it be? Was he really a PR? Was he a citizen? If he was a citizen then there is another PR hiding in citizen claim and since there are 3 of you already, I doubt this was really the case because this means deb and death are w/w. I think this narrative is least likely at this stage. This means I think Varcron was really a town PR. But whatever his role was, he did claim the night action was bad for town and this means his role was eother killing or deception. Since I am already in deception category, I think he was a killing role, meaning there is NO tailor, or tailor changed Varcron to something he actually was.

Both scenario results in town invest, killing and deception in my mind.


Which is more likely, I do not know. I am sure there is something I am missing here and I am trying to find the breadcrumb but it is 2am and my mind is sleepy

[QUOTE=Vittae;974728]Thanks, didn't you think it was weird that there were two different useless power roles though? You knew that the setup only had 2-3 power roles at the time so did the thought genuinely never come to mind that it was very difficult to fit both your role and their expected one in this setup?

I would expect almost anybody as town in your position to have at least some doubts internally about Varcron's claim, I'm surprised you seem to have none at all.[/QUOTE]

I was actually surprised to hear Varcrons claim.

My initial reaction was that Varcron is scum deception PR.
Then as I started writing down that list where certain roles are not town friendly, I realised actually it isn't all that surprising to have two roles whose night action is bad for town because it covers more than half the roles available.

Originally Posted by Vittae

Thanks, didn't you think it was weird that there were two different useless power roles though? You knew that the setup only had 2-3 power roles at the time so did the thought genuinely never come to mind that it was very difficult to fit both your role and their expected one in this setup?

I would expect almost anybody as town in your position to have at least some doubts internally about Varcron's claim, I'm surprised you seem to have none at all.

I was actually surprised to hear Varcrons claim.

My initial reaction was that Varcron is scum deception PR.
Then as I started writing down that list where certain roles are not town friendly, I realised actually it isn't all that surprising to have two roles whose night action is bad for town because it covers more than half the roles available.

Disregard last sentence, I was writing and editing on the phone and that last one is what I had originally

Disregard last sentence, I was writing and editing on the phone and that last one is what I had originally

[QUOTE=Vittae;974723][MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION] I don't think you answered my question from before.

Varcron soft-counterclaimed you in their role claim yesterday when they said they were a useless town PR. Why did you townread Varcron for their claim given that you yourself are a useless town PR, didn't it strike you as odd that there would be multiple?[/QUOTE]

Because we have three town PR roles, and since I know mine is detrimental, when Varcron claimed his role as similar to mine, I did not think it was that weird. As mine is an utility/deception role, I guessed his one would be either a killing or another deception.

Also I thought he could be a citizen pretending yo be a PR to draw heat.

Either case, I townread him

Also I townread him since day 1

Originally Posted by Vittae

@ikarusdk I don't think you answered my question from before.

Varcron soft-counterclaimed you in their role claim yesterday when they said they were a useless town PR. Why did you townread Varcron for their claim given that you yourself are a useless town PR, didn't it strike you as odd that there would be multiple?

Because we have three town PR roles, and since I know mine is detrimental, when Varcron claimed his role as similar to mine, I did not think it was that weird. As mine is an utility/deception role, I guessed his one would be either a killing or another deception.

Also I thought he could be a citizen pretending yo be a PR to draw heat.

Either case, I townread him

Also I townread him since day 1

Now i sound wolfy af because i pushed for lynch that could result in wolves winning

Now i sound wolfy af because i pushed for lynch that could result in wolves winning

PLS disregard my last post

sad face

PLS disregard my last post

sad face

[QUOTE=Mizery;974710]Ikarus if we miskill there is no tomorrow, wolves win, lol[/QUOTE]

oh fuck me. After all that. I did not think about that. Time to take a break lol

Originally Posted by Mizery

Ikarus if we miskill there is no tomorrow, wolves win, lol

oh fuck me. After all that. I did not think about that. Time to take a break lol

Whether or I die or not tonight, I think we need to lynch death or lol.

Whether or I die or not tonight, I think we need to lynch death or lol.

[B]Current situation[/B]

Confirmed dead
PoD - citizen
Varcron - town PR (tailored?)

Citizen claims (one of them is scum)
Mizery
MM
Vittae

PR claims (one of them is scum)
ikarusdk
loldebite - claims snitch
deathworld - claims investigator (claims loldebte scanned tailor)

SET UP summary - From this we know, 3 citizens and 3 Town PR and 2 scum PR.
One scum in citizen claim, one scum in PR claim
Although it IS POSSIBLE we have 4 citizens and 2 town PR, it is less likely as currently either death/lol is not telling the truth.

[B]
IF WE SKIP[/B]

[U]Night kill speculation (1)[/U]
Kills ikarusdk

and the next day
Citizen claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
PR claims 2 people (50% chance to find wolf)
[U]
NK speculation (2)[/U]
Kills one citizen

and the next day
Citizen claim 2 people (50% to find wolf)
PR claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
[U]
NK speculation (3)[/U]
Kills either death/lol

and the next day
Citizen claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
PR claims 2 people (50% chance to find wolf - but then I know exactly who the wolf is so it becomes me vs the other PR)


[B]IF WE LYNCH DEATH/LOL[/B]

[U]and we mislynch and they kill me[/U]
the next day
Citizen claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
PR claims 1 people (100% chance to find wolf)

[U]and we mislynch and they kill one citizen claim[/U]
the next day
Citizen claims 2 people (50% chance to find wolf)
PR claims 2 people (50% chance to find wolf but then I know exactly who the wolf is so it becomes me vs the other PR)

[U]we lynch successfully[/U]

the next day
Citizen claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
PR claims are confirmed.


[B]Which of the scenario is beneficial to town, SKIP or we LYNCH[/B]

Current situation

Confirmed dead
PoD - citizen
Varcron - town PR (tailored?)

Citizen claims (one of them is scum)
Mizery
MM
Vittae

PR claims (one of them is scum)
ikarusdk
loldebite - claims snitch
deathworld - claims investigator (claims loldebte scanned tailor)

SET UP summary - From this we know, 3 citizens and 3 Town PR and 2 scum PR.
One scum in citizen claim, one scum in PR claim
Although it IS POSSIBLE we have 4 citizens and 2 town PR, it is less likely as currently either death/lol is not telling the truth.


IF WE SKIP

Night kill speculation (1)
Kills ikarusdk

and the next day
Citizen claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
PR claims 2 people (50% chance to find wolf)

NK speculation (2)
Kills one citizen

and the next day
Citizen claim 2 people (50% to find wolf)
PR claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)

NK speculation (3)
Kills either death/lol

and the next day
Citizen claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
PR claims 2 people (50% chance to find wolf - but then I know exactly who the wolf is so it becomes me vs the other PR)


IF WE LYNCH DEATH/LOL

and we mislynch and they kill me
the next day
Citizen claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
PR claims 1 people (100% chance to find wolf)

and we mislynch and they kill one citizen claim
the next day
Citizen claims 2 people (50% chance to find wolf)
PR claims 2 people (50% chance to find wolf but then I know exactly who the wolf is so it becomes me vs the other PR)

we lynch successfully

the next day
Citizen claims 3 people (33% chance to find wolf)
PR claims are confirmed.


Which of the scenario is beneficial to town, SKIP or we LYNCH

[QUOTE=Loldebite;974684]DONT
SAY
THAT
;([/QUOTE]

Was it wolfy enough xD

Originally Posted by Loldebite

DONT
SAY
THAT

Was it wolfy enough xD

[QUOTE=Mizery;974668]if you guys are v/v then ikarus is a wolf 100% of the time so think on that for a minute[/QUOTE]

Since you like it when I act wolfy
Imagine if I drugged death xD but I insist I did not do it

Originally Posted by Mizery

if you guys are v/v then ikarus is a wolf 100% of the time so think on that for a minute

Since you like it when I act wolfy
Imagine if I drugged death xD but I insist I did not do it

[QUOTE=Loldebite;974674]villager/villager aka town/town[/QUOTE]

Ah thank you

Originally Posted by Loldebite

villager/villager aka town/town

Ah thank you

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;974667]...what[/QUOTE]

There is one wolf among citizen claim between Mizery, Vittae and yourself because Pod flipped citizen. There are 3 citizens in this set up because I know I am town PR. Varcron flipped town PR. There is one town PR between lol and deb.

Even if Varcron was tailored to be a PR from a citizen, it means nothing because that still means there is a wolf in citizen list

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

...what

There is one wolf among citizen claim between Mizery, Vittae and yourself because Pod flipped citizen. There are 3 citizens in this set up because I know I am town PR. Varcron flipped town PR. There is one town PR between lol and deb.

Even if Varcron was tailored to be a PR from a citizen, it means nothing because that still means there is a wolf in citizen list

[QUOTE=Mizery;974668]if you guys are v/v then ikarus is a wolf 100% of the time so think on that for a minute[/QUOTE]

What is v/v?

Originally Posted by Mizery

if you guys are v/v then ikarus is a wolf 100% of the time so think on that for a minute

What is v/v?

[QUOTE=Vittae;974651]Yes and that's an improvement.

You could be mafia. You're not confirmed to be town beyond any doubt. So you dying would remove that possibility for the rest of us and since you have a will you can put your thoughts in that.[/QUOTE]

I was speaking through my POV and I put myself in your shoes.

That is correct. It is an improvement. But because I know I am town, I'd much rather see death or lol go because then I'll know who is the scum PR.

Originally Posted by Vittae

Yes and that's an improvement.

You could be mafia. You're not confirmed to be town beyond any doubt. So you dying would remove that possibility for the rest of us and since you have a will you can put your thoughts in that.

I was speaking through my POV and I put myself in your shoes.

That is correct. It is an improvement. But because I know I am town, I'd much rather see death or lol go because then I'll know who is the scum PR.

And that's why we should lynch death or lol today.

And that's why we should lynch death or lol today.

[QUOTE=Loldebite;974652]Yeah it doesn't really make his life harder, it boils down to WIFOM between if he cleared his scummate hidden amongst cits or if he cleared an actual cit[/QUOTE]

Regardless I dont think we can trust deaths scan whether he is town or not

Originally Posted by Loldebite

Yeah it doesn't really make his life harder, it boils down to WIFOM between if he cleared his scummate hidden amongst cits or if he cleared an actual cit

Regardless I dont think we can trust deaths scan whether he is town or not

If sleeping is what we should do then I will sleep.

But I 100% believe we need to lynch today and I'll post why later when jm on pc

If sleeping is what we should do then I will sleep.

But I 100% believe we need to lynch today and I'll post why later when jm on pc

[QUOTE=Loldebite;974643]I'm not sure I follow, death can't tell if someone's scum if he's town he detects only roles, not aligments. Besides, we're already down to two choices...

Also I stand by my point : I'd rather you die 10000 times than vittae dying
especially since me staying in the game means that dw has flipped scum for everyone to see[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, but a PR hiding in citizen claim list is the obvious wolf

Originally Posted by Loldebite

I'm not sure I follow, death can't tell if someone's scum if he's town he detects only roles, not aligments. Besides, we're already down to two choices...

Also I stand by my point : I'd rather you die 10000 times than vittae dying
especially since me staying in the game means that dw has flipped scum for everyone to see

Ah yes, but a PR hiding in citizen claim list is the obvious wolf

In another words, deaths scan unfortunately cannot be trusted whoever ends up dying.

In another words, deaths scan unfortunately cannot be trusted whoever ends up dying.

[QUOTE=Vittae;974639]You're not 100% cleared town so it's a net positive for you to die than not to since it reduces the pool.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but read my previous post, it will just be another stalemate minus me.

Originally Posted by Vittae

You're not 100% cleared town so it's a net positive for you to die than not to since it reduces the pool.

Yeah but read my previous post, it will just be another stalemate minus me.

If I live tonight, they will kill one of citizen claims, and and scum kills one of citizen then it comes down to two choices, and that will be so hard because death will either say they are citizen or scum whether or not death is a wolf.

We should lynch lol or death today

If I live tonight, they will kill one of citizen claims, and and scum kills one of citizen then it comes down to two choices, and that will be so hard because death will either say they are citizen or scum whether or not death is a wolf.

We should lynch lol or death today

Choice of 2 I mean

Choice of 2 I mean

Killing lol or death reveals the other is scum and vice versa
Killing citizen will also narrow down the list to choice of 3 people.

I'm the obvious candidate for night kill

Killing lol or death reveals the other is scum and vice versa
Killing citizen will also narrow down the list to choice of 3 people.

I'm the obvious candidate for night kill

If scum kills people outside me, then it really narrows down the list and town will still have my vote.

If scum kills people outside me, then it really narrows down the list and town will still have my vote.

[QUOTE=Loldebite;974626]r u saying you're poisoned ?[/QUOTE]

No, I'll probably get killed. I'm not poisoned.

Originally Posted by Loldebite

r u saying you're poisoned ?

No, I'll probably get killed. I'm not poisoned.