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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    I Feel I Would Have Been Scum Hunting More If I At Least Knew Blinks Alignment From The Start But Since I Had No Clue.. I Kinda Felt Like I Was In No Mans Land.
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    We really considered trying to get your win as well. I even hinted you could win with me.

    I really hope you liked the Death Note i made.
    I made it Death note flavour.
    And it was supposed to be blink telling Mike and you that he is scum and to push baker
    It Was Pretty Good.. Did I At Least Throw U Guys Off With My Day 1 Claim?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Does Light get the 3 points for Ladder for "solo win"?
    Game ended with blink alive so...
    I Dont Care About The Points Man..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Oh I Totally Thought Blink Was Mafia..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Blink I Found Out You Were Scum Day 2.. With One Little Sentence.. That Sentence Was.. Im At No Risk Of Dying At Night..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    In All Seriousness I Really Feel There Is Nothing More To Gain In Waiting..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Reading your role. You just need Blink to survive?
    Yep... Thats Correct
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    What if
    Mike=Heartbreaker joined with Blink.
    Lover is ??? But joined with Heartbreaker Mike.
    Light is paired with Blink.
    I Honestly Dont Know.. But To Be Honest.. I Really Have No Choice In The Matter.. Over All.. So It Is What It Is At This Point..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    There's many things that put me off.
    Firstly, the Carol came from a Neutral role. Nothing stops them from changing it.
    Secondly, the set plan is to lynch the entire carol. Because if someone flips town then the next guy must be scum, if they are all town then it's an actress.
    This means that no real scumhunting happens for three days. No vote analysis, no anything.
    Call me paranoid but I'm not inclined to trust a Neutral.

    It makes 0 sense to vote inside the carol.


    This is EXACTLY like last game. Where it was between Me Vs Oberon vs MM. We should of lynched and hunted for the scum among the citizens for the better result.
    The game was lost for town because there was no scum hunting.


    What would be the Cons in voting outside the carol?
    I Have No Idea.. Other Then If We Believe The Carol Then One Has To Be Scum In Said Carol. If We Dont Believe The Carol. That Opens Up A Whole New Can Of Worms.
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    I Know This IS Off Topic. But..

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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    But You Would Have To Provide A Pretty Damning Case Against Him..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Ideally. I would lynch Blink if it was possibe because if he is scum that would be the most amazing lynch in history.
    But that won't happen.

    The current option is me and Renegade.
    But If blink is scum and that's their plan then it's an instant loss.

    So, here is a third option. We lynch outside the Carol. Because if Blink is scum we could buy time and kill his partner.
    If blink is town. Then we still can hit another scum anyway.

    I suggested this idea last game. It got ignored and we lost.

    So I suggest we lynch Oberon. The biggest scum read out of the carol.
    I Can Get Behind That.. IDK Blinks Alignment Mike Claims He Is Town..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I'm sure the Janitor is the one who kills and can clean one time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    so what's your solve again SJ/Oberon team with either ozy/pqr/ren as the third?
    You Just Replied To Your Self..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I've said already that if Number 2 is actress the game would not have ended.
    You Use Is As Though You Are Sure.. That NumberTwo Was Actress..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Yeh that's what puts me off random-alignment neutrals. They throw the balance of any game. The only thing that bemifits this setup is that the neutrals have no idea on their targets alignment.
    But then that means you have players that have neutrals painting them as town and defending them. In this case we have SuperBlink. There is no way with blink having 2 followers that blink can be lynched.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    TBH, your claim at the start of the game was brilliant. I bet you drew the consort to you 1 if not 2 nights.
    Yeah Maybe So.. 2 Bad I Feel It Didnt Help.. The Way It Was Saposta Help.. I Should Have Been Dead By Night 2 Had The Plan Gone Accordingly.. Hence I Believe Actress Was On Me Night 1 As Well The Could Have From My Perspective.. Used 2 Resources On Me Night 1.. Just To Verify If I Was Honest..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Wait, doesn't the Lover have his targets win condition? Is the Lover required to stay alive?
    Your Right I Dont Have To Live..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    The so called "veterans" have a very specific playstyle they expect and anything outside of that (Varcron, many others) is ALWAYS scum.

    And when you aren't scum be prepared for abuse by the welcomed folks here like Bruno.
    To Be Fair Im Pretty Veteran In FM.. And You Can Never Count On One Playstyle Of Mine To Be Identical To Another..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I feel like I have wasted the entire game dedicating myself to a stupid gambit a d completely failing at it. And now there's 0 reason to keep it up. I owe some people a big apology.

    I've attempted to draw the night kill in everyday, to try and protect TPRs. Day 1 I quoted and talked about TPR roles, day 2 I spent hinting I have feedback, that blew up in my face when Mike believed I have a scum check on him and panicked (which explains when he later claimed neutral as it would appear scum in a list maker scenario, but I am getting major last game vibes where I did the same to scum). Day 3 I spent strongly hinting that I like to help people rather than hurt them.

    I've spent the game avoiding the Town Leadership like a TPR in hopes of drawin in a kill (even possibly being healed at the same time.) I think the last game really hurt my confidence as leading town, no matter what I said or proved I was still lynched as Town Detective despite outing and cornering scum, it's left a sour taste in my mouth and I've even tried to get revenge by trying to make a train on Oberon at the start of the game.

    I think that Helz may of understood what I was doing as he noticed I was playing differently right from the start. I might of done I to well and attracted only the heal, if this is the case I really am sorry.

    As for my current reads I'm going to be honest and say them all even if it turns people against me.

    Firstly, the Lynches. Number 2 was lynched and their lynch was difficult to pull off and even had to get flipped. Honestly would of thought more people would of voted him, I personally would of still pushed for Auwt had I been around at the EoD 2.

    The next day, a carol was named, containing My name, Varcons and Renegades. All three names are a near- lurker level players, and so happened to contain Varcrons name from the previous EoD lynch list. Dispite my and Renegades play Varcron was immediately top of the list, and the lynch on him was extremely easy. The warning light given to me was Varcrons claims, they came too easy and am not surprised if they are an actor.

    This has really given me the chills, and to look at this logically if you put Number 2 as scum who is an actress the Lynches make more sense.

    Starting with Mike, and I agree with Helzs statement again, he has been sneaking shade in and drawing attention to Helz possibility of TPR. I have a scum read on him since d2 and he has not been acting in the town's best interest. This could be explained if he is neutral, but what was stopping him from changing any of the names in the Carol, there is 0 reason for him to release a carol with his or Blinks name in.

    With Blink, my read on him was based on their reaction to Mike. This was before the claims. Both Mike and Light are forced to read Blink as town, and with them doing so this means that they create this easily absorbed image that blink is town. Yet if you ignore the neutrals input it removes the townread placed on Blink.
    If Blink is scum, the game was handed over to them and it's near impossible to get over them.
    Now we have Light. Perhaps the most innocent person on the game and they are gaurenteed to be neutral. I respect their position, I hope the game isn't too boring for them. My only sadness is that they didn't try and get nightkilled. That would of been some epic play.
    With Oberon, I had them pegged as TPR, the one with the ornaments, but the fact that they are still alive and still useless gives me a strong scum read on them.
    With Bakemir, with Helzs claim now moot, the scum read on them that I had yesterday is now town read. Purley based on the fact the game is this late and there are no counterclaims. Their tone had been off but I believe I was reading their frustration and not that their scum.
    I've not read Ozy yet. Given time I will accomplish that today, given we had two days of no content, I've not read any scum hints or slips yet but I will be doing a deeper ISO on them.
    PnQ an Renegade are similar, but PnQ is.more town after pushing Varcron to death, only a townie can be so heavily dedicated to lynch someone and not care about the aftermath. The only problem is that the lynch in the Carol was going to happen anyway. Renegade hasn't been as emotional when people have been pressuring them or being called into the lynch line. I hope this is just a major step up from their past, it would be nice to see someone do some personal development. Although their calmness may just be because they know what the flips are going to be.

    Regarding the neutral stance. Today is Lynch wrong and we lose if Blink is scum, but on the other hand it also means that if they are town. They become mechanically confirmed tomorrow as non-scum. Personally I'm for risking it because if they win as scum there will be no hard feelings because the balence was heavily in their favour. I'm willing to die, just want @Mike to re-comfirm he hasn't edited the carol suggesting good sportsmanship for neutral play.

    So. If the netuals are not scum. Oberon, Renegade, Ozy, PnQ, Bakemir are the order of scum reads. With today being Renegade or me due to the Carol's to gaurentee atlet one scum gone.

    If it isnt clear my role is Holiday Patron.

    If I've missed something I'm sorry. Have not had as much time as I normally do, and I've also felt a bit brain dead for the most of the game.
    This Actually Feels Genuine.. And I Did Try And Die.. Tried To Get Lynched And Everything..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    You mean D2 probably because I see no reason not to -skip D1 in this setup.
    Yeah Day 2..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    But Seriously Read What Im Saiyan Then You Might Understand
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Now I'm confused lol
    Good Good As You Should Be..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Mike can still win if we die yagami can't =(
    Bro Ur Really Ruining This..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Man @blinkskater you got me all confused with your angels and lovers. I guess LY is boned.
    "You win if your target survives until the end of the game, regardless of whether they win."
    Wrong Mike Is Boned And He Can Heal Blink.. However If Mafia Hits Me All Three Of Us Die..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Yagami can't win if I die. That's most unfortunate.
    No I Can Because Im Lover We Have The Same Win Con Now.. Mike Is Angel Also Im Pretty Sure Mike Has A Charge Left So If They Hit Me We All Die.. Thats Bad For Town.. Fortunate For Mafia..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Not true: "Your win condition is your lover's."
    Ah Yes This Is True..
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Who is "you"? I dont see in the player list.
    I Believe You Refers To The Player Known As.. PQRnHack
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    If you guys follow my POE that I will leave in my LW, I assure you it will result in a town + neutrals victory. There will be 3 players left at the end of the game.

    baker/oberon/ozy/ or you.
    Blink You Realize If U Die.. I Auto Lose..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    And Here I Thought You Were Doing Some Big Brain Play.. So Damn U Blink..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    I mean to say Lover lol

    Yagami's the angel
    And You Done Fucked It Up..lol
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    So Blink If U Have This All Figured Out Who We Voting First.. Because, If I Die Me You And Mike All Die Since Im The Lover..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    PQR you need to understand that the real Angel would have CC'D Mike. It is mechanically impossible for AUWT to have been the angel because two people would have died. This means Mike at this point in time is mechanically confirmed to be Angel.
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    There Is A Problem Blink In Your If We Vote Correctly Theory.. And I Really Cant Reveal That Problem.. With Out The Problem Coming 100% True..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    At This Point I Think Town Is Boned Either Way
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    I can't agree with you here. We should have lynched Renegade yesterday.
    Okay Thats Fine And Dandy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    nobody will have received a carol.
    Why Do U Say That?
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Also Anyone Get The Carol?
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    NVM Imm A Dumb Ass @Frinckles I Just Realized I Hadnt Refreshed Yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    It's all good what are your thoughts right now?
    My Thoughts Right Now.. Is That We Shoulda Lynched PQRnHack Day 1 Like I Figured We Should Have..

    Also, @Frinckles Reset The Vote And Fix Count
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    Man Someone Trying Really Hard Ta Frame Me In That Death Note..
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    If a Consort still lives, all they need to do is roleblock the Light and then kill Blink.
    I Cant Be Role Blocked
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    I'm going to be taking a break and streaming some Diablo 2 LOD.

    I'm doing 50 Hell magic find runs Mephisto+Pindle. I'm trying to find every item in the game, it's something referred to as "the holy grail"

    If ya'll wanna come hang out you can find me on twitch.tv/blinkskater
    Been Forever Since I Played Me Some Diablo 2.. Best Diablo In My Opinion..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Yeah that is what I thought which is why I don't want to vote.
    For Some Reason I Thought Day Three Started Thursday Thats Where My Error Came In..
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    My Bad We Have 24 Hours Left Just Double Checked
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    We Have 9 Minutes Left Not Much More Will Change In That Time I Dont Think
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    That would mean that they kill mike and I still die, need you on me
    I Got Ya Man No Problem Doc On Mike Then
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Anyways As I Was Saiyan Blink I Only Have A Single Use Left.. But Hey Ill Use It No Problem..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Yagami you're going to protect me from death right?
    I Can.. Id Just Rather Have Doc On U Man..
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