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[QUOTE=Lumi;971777]Just the standard, you're right that it's a bit of a misnomer though and can be confusing as a result. Some setups just call roleblockers as "blockers" to help with that. I think I might make that change for my own setups in the future too ��[/QUOTE]

That's a great idea actually, because the name does cause confusion, even though it's the one everyone uses (or so I thought lol).

Originally Posted by Lumi

Just the standard, you're right that it's a bit of a misnomer though and can be confusing as a result. Some setups just call roleblockers as "blockers" to help with that. I think I might make that change for my own setups in the future too ��

That's a great idea actually, because the name does cause confusion, even though it's the one everyone uses (or so I thought lol).

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971749]If town ends up losing because I didn't know that roleblocks stopped factionals I'm gonna be mad

Though, you've gotta admit, roleblocks stopping factionals [I]is[/I] a little strange, as factionals aren't role-related in any way

I wonder who decided that roleblocks stop factionals on this site[/QUOTE]

Btw, this is not unique to the site, it in fact works that way pretty much everywhere that I know of lol (MafiaUniverse, Mafiascum, and I think in deck mafia as well)

I guess I should have stated it in my post when I claimed lol...


also I enjoyed your meme posting a lot, just couldn't speak on it too much because I didn't know if you were town and because I didn't want you to think I was pocketing you in case you were ;-;

Originally Posted by Bakura1

If town ends up losing because I didn't know that roleblocks stopped factionals I'm gonna be mad

Though, you've gotta admit, roleblocks stopping factionals is a little strange, as factionals aren't role-related in any way

I wonder who decided that roleblocks stop factionals on this site

Btw, this is not unique to the site, it in fact works that way pretty much everywhere that I know of lol (MafiaUniverse, Mafiascum, and I think in deck mafia as well)

I guess I should have stated it in my post when I claimed lol...


also I enjoyed your meme posting a lot, just couldn't speak on it too much because I didn't know if you were town and because I didn't want you to think I was pocketing you in case you were ;-;

[vote]jmw[/vote]

No questions asked lol, you're absolutely MVP here. The only real "mistake" was to open-wolf on Varcron, but you couldn't know I had a roleblock, and then you acted towny enough to make people doubt my claim (even though they shouldn't have mechanically speaking lol but meh). The rest was basically... perfect. Well deserved win.

Also stealth is town MVP for accurate reads and obvtownness, it's a shame he didn't have time to push further :(
[MENTION=46266]ewianking[/MENTION] you objectively had the coolest role ever lmao and your last will was great as well - it had a lot of impact, more than it should ever had had. You win in our hearts if not in the host's post!

-vote jmw

No questions asked lol, you're absolutely MVP here. The only real "mistake" was to open-wolf on Varcron, but you couldn't know I had a roleblock, and then you acted towny enough to make people doubt my claim (even though they shouldn't have mechanically speaking lol but meh). The rest was basically... perfect. Well deserved win.

Also stealth is town MVP for accurate reads and obvtownness, it's a shame he didn't have time to push further
@ewianking you objectively had the coolest role ever lmao and your last will was great as well - it had a lot of impact, more than it should ever had had. You win in our hearts if not in the host's post!

Last will:
I was put in a private chat with jmw on N1. I also gave him a fruit (and told him I would do so in the chat).
N2: no action because it was impossible
N3: protected Martin (he was attacked!)
N4: nothing at all because I had internet issues when I wanted to submit my action............. sorryyyy :(
N5: roleblocked jmw
[MENTION=46267]Bakura1[/MENTION]

Last will:
I was put in a private chat with jmw on N1. I also gave him a fruit (and told him I would do so in the chat).
N2: no action because it was impossible
N3: protected Martin (he was attacked!)
N4: nothing at all because I had internet issues when I wanted to submit my action............. sorryyyy
N5: roleblocked jmw
@Bakura1

Oh and I just noticed you said roleblocks don't stop factional kills: here, by convention, roleblocks do stop factional kills unless stated otherwise. And again, there is no other explanation for the no-kill last night.

Oh and I just noticed you said roleblocks don't stop factional kills: here, by convention, roleblocks do stop factional kills unless stated otherwise. And again, there is no other explanation for the no-kill last night.

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971725]Look I'm not saying Jmw can't be town [B][COLOR="#FF0000"][I assume you mean "can't be scum"?][/COLOR][/B], but don't be so stupidly confident in yourself when we still have so many unknowns regarding night actions. We still have no idea how Clowns entered a chat with Jelly, what happened to the Hider scumchat mentioned in Ewian's last will, how Shaman died, or how Aporia was in a chat N1.

Also roleblocking doesn't stop someone from performing a kill. It just stops any role-specific actions.

[MENTION=34329]Frinckles[/MENTION]
[MENTION=46287]Snom_[/MENTION]

I am starting to acknowledge a Jmw lynch more and more as mech evidence does seem good, but I want to share something I realized earlier today:

A Clowns lynch confirms both Martin and me as town.
Martin, because Clowns supposedly started a chat with him N4 or something, and I don't see any reason for scummates to fake that, especially if Clowns can just chat with anyone.

And me, because I am cleared off a Clowns scum flip (not that anyone cares) because I've been pushing Clowns way too hard for us to be scummates bussing.

Oh yeah btw MM your reasoning for Jmw being scummy off of the vote at EoD4 also applies to Martin lol[/QUOTE]

I am not stupidly confident, I just know for a fact my actions are real and thought it over a lot lol. You're not even bringing counterarguments, so I'm not sure why you'd say that...

As for the reasoning about EoD4, two reasons for which Martin doesn't fit in there:
- He was the first to place the vote in the streak, which looks much more like he's the townie who made the mistake on which scum capitalized rather than the scum who started it all; if he were, why not do it before?
- He is literally confirmed town from my point of view because I healed him, so to me, this is a non-issue.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Look I'm not saying Jmw can't be town [I assume you mean "can't be scum"?], but don't be so stupidly confident in yourself when we still have so many unknowns regarding night actions. We still have no idea how Clowns entered a chat with Jelly, what happened to the Hider scumchat mentioned in Ewian's last will, how Shaman died, or how Aporia was in a chat N1.

Also roleblocking doesn't stop someone from performing a kill. It just stops any role-specific actions.

@Frinckles
@Snom_

I am starting to acknowledge a Jmw lynch more and more as mech evidence does seem good, but I want to share something I realized earlier today:

A Clowns lynch confirms both Martin and me as town.
Martin, because Clowns supposedly started a chat with him N4 or something, and I don't see any reason for scummates to fake that, especially if Clowns can just chat with anyone.

And me, because I am cleared off a Clowns scum flip (not that anyone cares) because I've been pushing Clowns way too hard for us to be scummates bussing.

Oh yeah btw MM your reasoning for Jmw being scummy off of the vote at EoD4 also applies to Martin lol

I am not stupidly confident, I just know for a fact my actions are real and thought it over a lot lol. You're not even bringing counterarguments, so I'm not sure why you'd say that...

As for the reasoning about EoD4, two reasons for which Martin doesn't fit in there:
- He was the first to place the vote in the streak, which looks much more like he's the townie who made the mistake on which scum capitalized rather than the scum who started it all; if he were, why not do it before?
- He is literally confirmed town from my point of view because I healed him, so to me, this is a non-issue.

[QUOTE=jmw;971722]I'm surprised you didn't even bother to consider a world where I'm town. Can I ask why you didn't bother (or at least, that I can see from your posts) expressing why you think a T!Jmw world is unlikely enough for you to vote me?

Actually, who still hasn't voted yet[/QUOTE]

Four reasons (three actual ones and an additional thing):

- I roleblocked you and there was no kill. There is no other explanation for the lack of death (scum never intentionally no-kill here because they would just auto-win), and noone has claimed anything else explaining it (and at this point, if you're town with an explanation and don't bring it up, you are literally throwing lol)
- You straight up jumped on Varcron along with Clowns in perfect synchronization at EoD, which is why I blocked you in the first place.
- Martin and yourself voted eachother with locked votes. I know for a fact that Martin is town (there is no reason for him to be attacked on N3 otherwise, considering the lack of deaths on that night). If you actually happened to be town, that is two town votes on townies, which equals instant defeat for town - thus, a path to victory only exists if you're actually scum.

As for the additional thing: noone said anything to make me doubt all of the above, and I waited a very long time before placing my vote to make sure objections could be voiced first.


Thus, placing a vote on you is really the only logical move here. For the record, assuming you're scum, you played very well and had me fooled behavior-wise for a very long time. (If you're town, you played well too lol, but then we are screwed so pls don't be :D)

Originally Posted by jmw

I'm surprised you didn't even bother to consider a world where I'm town. Can I ask why you didn't bother (or at least, that I can see from your posts) expressing why you think a T!Jmw world is unlikely enough for you to vote me?

Actually, who still hasn't voted yet

Four reasons (three actual ones and an additional thing):

- I roleblocked you and there was no kill. There is no other explanation for the lack of death (scum never intentionally no-kill here because they would just auto-win), and noone has claimed anything else explaining it (and at this point, if you're town with an explanation and don't bring it up, you are literally throwing lol)
- You straight up jumped on Varcron along with Clowns in perfect synchronization at EoD, which is why I blocked you in the first place.
- Martin and yourself voted eachother with locked votes. I know for a fact that Martin is town (there is no reason for him to be attacked on N3 otherwise, considering the lack of deaths on that night). If you actually happened to be town, that is two town votes on townies, which equals instant defeat for town - thus, a path to victory only exists if you're actually scum.

As for the additional thing: noone said anything to make me doubt all of the above, and I waited a very long time before placing my vote to make sure objections could be voiced first.


Thus, placing a vote on you is really the only logical move here. For the record, assuming you're scum, you played very well and had me fooled behavior-wise for a very long time. (If you're town, you played well too lol, but then we are screwed so pls don't be )

[QUOTE=TheClowns;971716][vote]MartinGG99[/vote]

Vote scum[/QUOTE]

I think you forgot the comma and the S. You probably meant "Vote, scums [who are my teammates]". :P

ALL TOWN ON JMW, CHOO CHOOOOOO

Originally Posted by TheClowns

-vote MartinGG99

Vote scum

I think you forgot the comma and the S. You probably meant "Vote, scums [who are my teammates]". :P

ALL TOWN ON JMW, CHOO CHOOOOOO

Well well well. May the Lord RNGsus have mercy upon us if lynch ends up being randomized.

[vote]jmw[/vote]

If thou art town, thou shalt vote jmw. And if thou art Frinckles who claimeth to be neutral (and then to have lied? I'm not sure xD), thou shalt help us too :P

Well well well. May the Lord RNGsus have mercy upon us if lynch ends up being randomized.

-vote jmw

If thou art town, thou shalt vote jmw. And if thou art Frinckles who claimeth to be neutral (and then to have lied? I'm not sure xD), thou shalt help us too :P

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971706]Wtf

why does MM get a space but not Jelly

That's messed up[/QUOTE]

Because I named myself that way when I joined the forums XD. No admin powers in there, and I think Jelly should have been able to have spaces as well?
[s]mwhahahaa admin aboose[/s]

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971707]I'm calling for a revolution

seize the means of production

everyone with spaces in their names should be equally taggable[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]YES[/COLOR]
You just have to add the space in the name lol, nothing else (much like on all sites afaik).

I will be voting... I think jmw because he's basically guaranteed to be scum (or we lose since Martin and him voted eachother and I know Martin is town). I don't think there's any reason for me not to do this.

[SIZE=6]If someone sees a reason for which we should not all vote jmw, may they speak now or shut up forever, because I will place my vote.[/SIZE]

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Wtf

why does MM get a space but not Jelly

That's messed up

Because I named myself that way when I joined the forums XD. No admin powers in there, and I think Jelly should have been able to have spaces as well?
mwhahahaa admin aboose

Originally Posted by Bakura1

I'm calling for a revolution

seize the means of production

everyone with spaces in their names should be equally taggable

YES
You just have to add the space in the name lol, nothing else (much like on all sites afaik).

I will be voting... I think jmw because he's basically guaranteed to be scum (or we lose since Martin and him voted eachother and I know Martin is town). I don't think there's any reason for me not to do this.

If someone sees a reason for which we should not all vote jmw, may they speak now or shut up forever, because I will place my vote.

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971673][MENTION=46287]Snom_[/MENTION] you are only a passive redirector, correct?

Is anyone here a redirector?

Because that would not only explain the kill on TauntShaman D1, but also my invest result D3.

[MENTION=45983]jmw[/MENTION] I targeted Stealthbomber D3, not D4. And that action was a traffic analyst shot. I have the ability to see if a player has ever been in a chat. According to my results, Stealthbomber's slot was already in a chat before the one he joined D3. I took this as a red check, but somehow he flipped town. The only thing that I can imagine making sense is a redirection.

Additionally, before Varcron was so rudely hammered, I had investigated his slot the night before and found out that his slot had been in no chats.

As for Jmw, I still believe he is town. As for your claims, MM, I am not sold on the fact that Martin was attacked. Frinckles was protecting me that same night as well. It is completely possible that scum went for me instead. Jmw's content this game has been completely competent, while you are floundering about in an attempt to pressure Jmw.

However, I will still be ISO'ing each of your slots when I have the chance. And as for today, Clowns is the lynch.

[vote]TheClowns[/vote][/QUOTE]

I agree that jmw's content has been "competent" for most of the game as you said, but mechanics say no, and the last EoD says absolutely fucking not at all xD. Clowns definetly is scum anyway though, so I can get on board for this as well. About you saying Frinckles may have protected you, I guess that is fair, but then you also have to take into account last night's zero deaths... this is not an "attempt to pressure jmw", it's literally just the result of my action that very likely leads to the conclusion that he's scum. You can't change your vote anyway, but I'm saying this in case we're both alive tomorrow.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

@Snom_ you are only a passive redirector, correct?

Is anyone here a redirector?

Because that would not only explain the kill on TauntShaman D1, but also my invest result D3.

@jmw I targeted Stealthbomber D3, not D4. And that action was a traffic analyst shot. I have the ability to see if a player has ever been in a chat. According to my results, Stealthbomber's slot was already in a chat before the one he joined D3. I took this as a red check, but somehow he flipped town. The only thing that I can imagine making sense is a redirection.

Additionally, before Varcron was so rudely hammered, I had investigated his slot the night before and found out that his slot had been in no chats.

As for Jmw, I still believe he is town. As for your claims, MM, I am not sold on the fact that Martin was attacked. Frinckles was protecting me that same night as well. It is completely possible that scum went for me instead. Jmw's content this game has been completely competent, while you are floundering about in an attempt to pressure Jmw.

However, I will still be ISO'ing each of your slots when I have the chance. And as for today, Clowns is the lynch.

-vote TheClowns

I agree that jmw's content has been "competent" for most of the game as you said, but mechanics say no, and the last EoD says absolutely fucking not at all xD. Clowns definetly is scum anyway though, so I can get on board for this as well. About you saying Frinckles may have protected you, I guess that is fair, but then you also have to take into account last night's zero deaths... this is not an "attempt to pressure jmw", it's literally just the result of my action that very likely leads to the conclusion that he's scum. You can't change your vote anyway, but I'm saying this in case we're both alive tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971685]Btw [MENTION=45983]jmw[/MENTION] who did MM target N2?

and @MarshmallowMarshall who has been your target/what has been your action each night?[/QUOTE]

Last will:
I was put in a private chat with jmw on N1. I also gave him a fruit (and told him I would do so in the chat).
N2: no action because it was impossible
N3: protected Martin (he was attacked!)
N4: nothing at all because I had internet issues when I wanted to submit my action............. sorryyyy :(
N5: roleblocked jmw

Considering noone CCed me on both no-kills (heal N3 and roleblock last night) and considering no-killing intentionally as scum here so that I could pretend to have blocked mafia is thoroughly illogical (since scum!MM would just win by killing someone lol), I don't think I could ever possibly be scum even from your point of view

Also, I'm really, really, really not sure why you are so adamant on analyzing a neutral's last will when he wasn't even town-aligned, as far as we know... like [I]reaaaallllyyyy[/I] not... it's like that is more important than people piling up on Varcron at MYLO without any words and in perfect synchronization or more important than me stopping scum kills TWO TIMES lol

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Btw @jmw who did MM target N2?

and @MarshmallowMarshall who has been your target/what has been your action each night?

Last will:
I was put in a private chat with jmw on N1. I also gave him a fruit (and told him I would do so in the chat).
N2: no action because it was impossible
N3: protected Martin (he was attacked!)
N4: nothing at all because I had internet issues when I wanted to submit my action............. sorryyyy
N5: roleblocked jmw

Considering noone CCed me on both no-kills (heal N3 and roleblock last night) and considering no-killing intentionally as scum here so that I could pretend to have blocked mafia is thoroughly illogical (since scum!MM would just win by killing someone lol), I don't think I could ever possibly be scum even from your point of view

Also, I'm really, really, really not sure why you are so adamant on analyzing a neutral's last will when he wasn't even town-aligned, as far as we know... like reaaaallllyyyy not... it's like that is more important than people piling up on Varcron at MYLO without any words and in perfect synchronization or more important than me stopping scum kills TWO TIMES lol

[QUOTE=jmw;971657]I'm surprised we haven't lost already - I've unforunately now picked up part-time work alongside uni, so I was hoping we'd either shoot correctly on Varcon v Snom or lose the game and I don't have to worry about activity.

I'll reveal now, I saw Bakura visit Martin on N4, not that it matters anymore, I think that Bakura/Clowns/Snom is the team? Unless there's a reason for Varcon to lie about the chats that I haven't read up on.
I'll vote with Martin or MM, whichever one of them has a preference. Even if we can't win I wanna have my vote placed before the end of today (IRL) because I'll be much busier tomorrow and won't have much time to consider options.[/QUOTE]

I literally blocked you and was told my action was processed xD.

Also, Frinckles, HONOR BINDS YOU TO HELP THE DOUBLE-SAVING JOAT - URAAAAAAAAAAAA

Originally Posted by jmw

I'm surprised we haven't lost already - I've unforunately now picked up part-time work alongside uni, so I was hoping we'd either shoot correctly on Varcon v Snom or lose the game and I don't have to worry about activity.

I'll reveal now, I saw Bakura visit Martin on N4, not that it matters anymore, I think that Bakura/Clowns/Snom is the team? Unless there's a reason for Varcon to lie about the chats that I haven't read up on.
I'll vote with Martin or MM, whichever one of them has a preference. Even if we can't win I wanna have my vote placed before the end of today (IRL) because I'll be much busier tomorrow and won't have much time to consider options.

I literally blocked you and was told my action was processed xD.

Also, Frinckles, HONOR BINDS YOU TO HELP THE DOUBLE-SAVING JOAT - URAAAAAAAAAAAA

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971617]not much is happening

[vote]Varcron[/vote][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=jmw;971618][vote]varcron[/vote][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=TheClowns;971619][vote]varcron[/vote][/QUOTE]

Guys, look at this. Martin is town, we know this (healed from an attack = confirmed town). Jmw literally OPEN WOLFED here, thinking he would get a win because it was MYLO. Well, surprise... I ALSO HAVE A ROLEBLOCK ABILITY :)

[B]I roleblocked jmw last night.[/B] Considering scum literally would have won by killing a townie, I AM CONFIRMED TOWN, AND ANYONE DOUBTING MY WORD HERE IS WEARING A TIN FOIL HAT.

Jmw and Clowns open-wolfed at EoD. The sole reason I am not voting right away is that I want to hear from y'all in case I missed something critically important, but if I didn't, jmw dies.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

not much is happening

-vote Varcron

Originally Posted by jmw

-vote varcron

Originally Posted by TheClowns

-vote varcron

Guys, look at this. Martin is town, we know this (healed from an attack = confirmed town). Jmw literally OPEN WOLFED here, thinking he would get a win because it was MYLO. Well, surprise... I ALSO HAVE A ROLEBLOCK ABILITY

I roleblocked jmw last night. Considering scum literally would have won by killing a townie, I AM CONFIRMED TOWN, AND ANYONE DOUBTING MY WORD HERE IS WEARING A TIN FOIL HAT.

Jmw and Clowns open-wolfed at EoD. The sole reason I am not voting right away is that I want to hear from y'all in case I missed something critically important, but if I didn't, jmw dies.

[vote]TheClowns[/vote]

because the chat with him was horrible, among other things lol

Also, stop quoting the posts with quote tags, that's what breaks your posts: the quote tags get interpreted as real ones, and it entirely destroys the formatting.

-vote TheClowns

because the chat with him was horrible, among other things lol

Also, stop quoting the posts with quote tags, that's what breaks your posts: the quote tags get interpreted as real ones, and it entirely destroys the formatting.

[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION] why do you want to lynch Frinckles over like... Clowns right now?

@Varcron why do you want to lynch Frinckles over like... Clowns right now?

[QUOTE=Varcron;971527]This is an incredibly bad vote on your part

I expected more thought behind it.

MM, Bakura, and Snom were in a chat last night, as I said last day.[/QUOTE]

No. The chat was MM/Bakura/Clowns.

[SIZE=1][FONT=Garamond]also my internet failed me when I wanted to submit my action last night and got back 7 minutes after actions were locked so I did absolutely fucking nothing last night[/FONT][/SIZE]

Originally Posted by Varcron

This is an incredibly bad vote on your part

I expected more thought behind it.

MM, Bakura, and Snom were in a chat last night, as I said last day.

No. The chat was MM/Bakura/Clowns.

also my internet failed me when I wanted to submit my action last night and got back 7 minutes after actions were locked so I did absolutely fucking nothing last night

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971416]I guess

But I'm pretty sure Clowns isn't going to flip a communicative role, which means Jelly would be lying about the chat[/QUOTE]

I am not as certain as you; besides, there is basically no reason for you to [I]oppose[/I] lynching Jelly first, since it should lead to Clowns also being scum, right?

Originally Posted by Bakura1

I guess

But I'm pretty sure Clowns isn't going to flip a communicative role, which means Jelly would be lying about the chat

I am not as certain as you; besides, there is basically no reason for you to oppose lynching Jelly first, since it should lead to Clowns also being scum, right?

^ what jmw said basically leads to my above post

^ what jmw said basically leads to my above post

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971412]It's all in my post[/QUOTE]

Right. In this case, though, aren't we better off lynching Jelly first, which then confirms Clowns as scum, and not the other way around (since it gives us more guarantees depending on flips)?

Originally Posted by Bakura1

It's all in my post

Right. In this case, though, aren't we better off lynching Jelly first, which then confirms Clowns as scum, and not the other way around (since it gives us more guarantees depending on flips)?

I do not understand the association and non-associations you both state about Jelly and Clowns. Can you both clarify, please?

I do not understand the association and non-associations you both state about Jelly and Clowns. Can you both clarify, please?

Plus, why is Clowns out of your PoE? W h a t a r e y o u d o i n g ?

Plus, why is Clowns out of your PoE? W h a t a r e y o u d o i n g ?

[QUOTE=Frinckles;971402]If I'm straight to the point, people don't pay attention so I thought I'd go through the thought process.

One scum wanted to claim hider.
One scum said something about being deathproof.

You survived and arguably have a role claim that sucks in this setup unless used consecutively. MM claims a heal as a fruit vending JOAT out of the blue, to say nothing of the fact that I still think he could have written "shaken and destroyed."


Snom claims some weird Reflector, Jelly claims Victim -- both of which are redirection roles similar to hider.

Scum could have pushed me on my own fucking points this entire game but they chose not to or got lazy. Probably because I'm being ignored a bit. But the bottom line is I've been trying to subtly get across some important things this game that are only now being acknowledged. If you are paying attention, the pool for today is Jelly/Snom/MM and even you Martin for the above given reasons.[/QUOTE]

Wait wait wait so you're saying Martin and I are in fact a scum team and that I pretended to have healed my teammate, and that we in fact have intentionally no-killed last night instead of just, you know, killing towny people or something? ah yes...

[IMG]https://media.kasperskydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/92/2016/03/06022537/tinfoilhatday-3.jpg[/IMG]

Originally Posted by Frinckles

If I'm straight to the point, people don't pay attention so I thought I'd go through the thought process.

One scum wanted to claim hider.
One scum said something about being deathproof.

You survived and arguably have a role claim that sucks in this setup unless used consecutively. MM claims a heal as a fruit vending JOAT out of the blue, to say nothing of the fact that I still think he could have written "shaken and destroyed."


Snom claims some weird Reflector, Jelly claims Victim -- both of which are redirection roles similar to hider.

Scum could have pushed me on my own fucking points this entire game but they chose not to or got lazy. Probably because I'm being ignored a bit. But the bottom line is I've been trying to subtly get across some important things this game that are only now being acknowledged. If you are paying attention, the pool for today is Jelly/Snom/MM and even you Martin for the above given reasons.

Wait wait wait so you're saying Martin and I are in fact a scum team and that I pretended to have healed my teammate, and that we in fact have intentionally no-killed last night instead of just, you know, killing towny people or something? ah yes...

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971396]wait what happened to my image

it was there a second ago[/QUOTE]

Errrrr, I saw it as well... what the heck? I've never seen that in years of playing here XD

And yea, I really, really, really, REALLY don't think Clowns has any reasons to exist by now, much like Jelly.

Originally Posted by Bakura1

wait what happened to my image

it was there a second ago

Errrrr, I saw it as well... what the heck? I've never seen that in years of playing here XD

And yea, I really, really, really, REALLY don't think Clowns has any reasons to exist by now, much like Jelly.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971363]yall want some beats

this ones p good

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scQgHrBll9c[/url]



[SIZE=1]No, I don't play kirby. Just heard it during a cool stream VOD today.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
Nice. This sounds a lot like Deus Ex 2000's music xD. AND I APPROVE.
[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971370]Well good thing you fake-claimed about your doctor being one shot!

....you did, didn't you?

.........hopefully?

......................[I]oh no.[/I]

tl;dr
if MM is out of doc shots then in theory I may just get shot anyways in the hopes that MM's remaining abilities are not as strong as mine[/QUOTE]

shhhh nobody will notice

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

yall want some beats

this ones p good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scQgHrBll9c



No, I don't play kirby. Just heard it during a cool stream VOD today.

Nice. This sounds a lot like Deus Ex 2000's music xD. AND I APPROVE.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Well good thing you fake-claimed about your doctor being one shot!

....you did, didn't you?

.........hopefully?

......................oh no.

tl;dr
if MM is out of doc shots then in theory I may just get shot anyways in the hopes that MM's remaining abilities are not as strong as mine

shhhh nobody will notice

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971366]Last night the discussion between me, SB16, and JMW worked well.

But I don't know if we should repeat it or switch someone out for another. I don't mind doing again -- as it can be quite useful, but IDK if my chat-mates think anyone else being in there would be better.[/QUOTE]

Oh yeah, about the chats, if I am in one with Martin and another basically confirmed townie, I could full-claim there without giving info to scum, so there's that.
[SIZE=1]I am totally not gonna get killed for this xD[/SIZE]

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Last night the discussion between me, SB16, and JMW worked well.

But I don't know if we should repeat it or switch someone out for another. I don't mind doing again -- as it can be quite useful, but IDK if my chat-mates think anyone else being in there would be better.

Oh yeah, about the chats, if I am in one with Martin and another basically confirmed townie, I could full-claim there without giving info to scum, so there's that.
I am totally not gonna get killed for this xD

[QUOTE=Varcron;971354]IMO This read list is good and towny

For the time being I'd have Frinckles as the last town out of the list along with me, but other than that everything looks okay here.[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION] Martin was attacked last night, I healed him. He's literally confirmed town XD. No need to try to get a read on him. But yes, I strongly approve of this list - although I am not entirely convinced about your slot :p

Originally Posted by Varcron

IMO This read list is good and towny

For the time being I'd have Frinckles as the last town out of the list along with me, but other than that everything looks okay here.

@Varcron Martin was attacked last night, I healed him. He's literally confirmed town XD. No need to try to get a read on him. But yes, I strongly approve of this list - although I am not entirely convinced about your slot

[QUOTE=jmw;971350]Yeah I can see that
it's most likely a reference to Ewian's art of war ability, and Snom's kind of meme-y? Not nearly as much so as Bakura but I have no doubts that the claim is real. Besides, the modposter hasn't CC'd, so unless it's a scum modposter that Snom is using as a claim it's most likely just Snom's real role (or considering they claimed some reflector type thing, at least part of it).[/QUOTE]

I could absolutely see a scum modposter being a thing, considering the pig king role, my JOAT, the several chats... like, considering the amount of communication-based actions and roles, some are very, very probably scum. Thus, all it means is that he's probably not janitor (because janitor/modposter hybrid is weird, although I guess it's not ENTIRELY impossible).

That being said, I'll keep in mind that Snom is meme-y

Originally Posted by jmw

Yeah I can see that
it's most likely a reference to Ewian's art of war ability, and Snom's kind of meme-y? Not nearly as much so as Bakura but I have no doubts that the claim is real. Besides, the modposter hasn't CC'd, so unless it's a scum modposter that Snom is using as a claim it's most likely just Snom's real role (or considering they claimed some reflector type thing, at least part of it).

I could absolutely see a scum modposter being a thing, considering the pig king role, my JOAT, the several chats... like, considering the amount of communication-based actions and roles, some are very, very probably scum. Thus, all it means is that he's probably not janitor (because janitor/modposter hybrid is weird, although I guess it's not ENTIRELY impossible).

That being said, I'll keep in mind that Snom is meme-y

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971345]Stealthbomber16, JMW, MM, and I are town. You disagree for x or y reason or tinfoil? Deal with it.

So the challenge now is to, FMPOV, find the remaining two town in:

Ashoka Tano (Varcron now), Frinckles, Bakura, TheClowns, Snom, Jelly

Varcron's slot very likely town for previous reasons, but possible to be otherwise given JOATs outside neuts can exist.[/QUOTE]

Wait wait wait, why the remaining [I]two[/I] town? Since when do we know the scum count? I'm not saying you're scum because l o l you can't be, but have I missed something?

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Stealthbomber16, JMW, MM, and I are town. You disagree for x or y reason or tinfoil? Deal with it.

So the challenge now is to, FMPOV, find the remaining two town in:

Ashoka Tano (Varcron now), Frinckles, Bakura, TheClowns, Snom, Jelly

Varcron's slot very likely town for previous reasons, but possible to be otherwise given JOATs outside neuts can exist.

Wait wait wait, why the remaining two town? Since when do we know the scum count? I'm not saying you're scum because l o l you can't be, but have I missed something?

[QUOTE=TheClowns;971346]Not the baguette! Pick it back up those be expensive[/QUOTE]

We Frenchmen can find baguettes in trees, that is a well-known fact. Don't you worry :P

Originally Posted by TheClowns

Not the baguette! Pick it back up those be expensive

We Frenchmen can find baguettes in trees, that is a well-known fact. Don't you worry :P

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971347]I would have....if you weren't MM xD[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971348]Like that GIF just feels like a MM sort of thing to say lol[/QUOTE]

xDDDD
I guess that is true, and I must say I absolutely love that this is recognized as being part of my character :D

Also, I tried to find your post about 6 feet -> 2 meters translation for metric system, and I must thank you for accepting me as I am and for acknowledging the truth. And for not being... like [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cPeZLCVWTw"]this[/URL]. Thank you.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

I would have....if you weren't MM xD

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Like that GIF just feels like a MM sort of thing to say lol

xDDDD
I guess that is true, and I must say I absolutely love that this is recognized as being part of my character

Also, I tried to find your post about 6 feet -> 2 meters translation for metric system, and I must thank you for accepting me as I am and for acknowledging the truth. And for not being... like this. Thank you.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971340]okay so ppl with multiple abilities do exist beyond neuts ig

ironically the very thing that would make me suspicious of MM for (due to me only checking him once) is also the thing that shows MM is town lol[/QUOTE]

Yes, they do. I [I]heavily[/I] hinted at it when I posted this GIF:
[IMG]https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiIzRJvjSIBduY2ys/giphy.gif[/IMG]

in response to someone who said I was just a fruit vendor or something like that. Like at this point, I think I wasn't even breadcrumbing, but leaving whole baguettes on the ground lmao. But I don't think anyone picked up on it o.O.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

okay so ppl with multiple abilities do exist beyond neuts ig

ironically the very thing that would make me suspicious of MM for (due to me only checking him once) is also the thing that shows MM is town lol

Yes, they do. I heavily hinted at it when I posted this GIF:


in response to someone who said I was just a fruit vendor or something like that. Like at this point, I think I wasn't even breadcrumbing, but leaving whole baguettes on the ground lmao. But I don't think anyone picked up on it o.O.

[QUOTE=Snom_;971336]I dont have one. Ill let you know when I form one[/QUOTE]

Hmm. I can understand not being highly vocal - I am quite busy myself these days and accidentally multigamed, which might make me not as vocal as I could normally be. That being said, if you've followed the game at least a little bit, it's pretty hard to have [I]no opinion whatsoever[/I] on Clowns, considering he was central in discussions from D2 onwards... it's D4...

So you're claiming modposter - which, in itself, doesn't mean a whole lot about your alignment, but makes you not janitor. But uhm... I don't know, I have some trouble picturing you, the inactive guy who doesn't have an opinion on Clowns, posting THE ART OF WAR in its entirety? [MENTION=45983]jmw[/MENTION] since you implied you know him, do you think this is something Snom could do? It seems incoherent, but hey, I could always be wrong, and this isn't hard evidence at all.

Originally Posted by Snom_

I dont have one. Ill let you know when I form one

Hmm. I can understand not being highly vocal - I am quite busy myself these days and accidentally multigamed, which might make me not as vocal as I could normally be. That being said, if you've followed the game at least a little bit, it's pretty hard to have no opinion whatsoever on Clowns, considering he was central in discussions from D2 onwards... it's D4...

So you're claiming modposter - which, in itself, doesn't mean a whole lot about your alignment, but makes you not janitor. But uhm... I don't know, I have some trouble picturing you, the inactive guy who doesn't have an opinion on Clowns, posting THE ART OF WAR in its entirety? @jmw since you implied you know him, do you think this is something Snom could do? It seems incoherent, but hey, I could always be wrong, and this isn't hard evidence at all.

[QUOTE=Varcron;971330]Just as a forewarning I have not really kept up with this game (didn't expect to need to replace anyone) so I am quite behind. I'll do my best to get some basic feelers out as well as try to see what the general consensus on this and other slots were from everyone.[/QUOTE]
:O hi there! nice to have you here lol

[s]can't be lynched d1 if you only come in d4[/s]
[QUOTE=Varcron;971332]I've done a little bit of reading so far on a few people.

It's fascinating how Frinckles in the past ~30 posts of his ISO has flip flopped between MM, Clowns, and Ashoka (my slot). It's rather odd imo since he usually has his focus for a day honed in and not constantly flipping.

I also don't understand his justification for voting this slot due to the lack of pressure it gave on Clowns, it doesn't quite make sense to me.

Although reading his ISO I would note that that entire slot is a massive red flag currently, but seeing the confusion and discussion amongst everyone I will not lay a vote on it yet.[/QUOTE]

I very much like your first impression on Frinckles, but I'd also note that he really looked like he was genuinely trying to solve me on EoD3, hence I changed my read on him and actually began to like him. I entirely share your first impression on him, though, so this looks good to me.

Originally Posted by Varcron

Just as a forewarning I have not really kept up with this game (didn't expect to need to replace anyone) so I am quite behind. I'll do my best to get some basic feelers out as well as try to see what the general consensus on this and other slots were from everyone.

hi there! nice to have you here lol

can't be lynched d1 if you only come in d4

Originally Posted by Varcron

I've done a little bit of reading so far on a few people.

It's fascinating how Frinckles in the past ~30 posts of his ISO has flip flopped between MM, Clowns, and Ashoka (my slot). It's rather odd imo since he usually has his focus for a day honed in and not constantly flipping.

I also don't understand his justification for voting this slot due to the lack of pressure it gave on Clowns, it doesn't quite make sense to me.

Although reading his ISO I would note that that entire slot is a massive red flag currently, but seeing the confusion and discussion amongst everyone I will not lay a vote on it yet.

I very much like your first impression on Frinckles, but I'd also note that he really looked like he was genuinely trying to solve me on EoD3, hence I changed my read on him and actually began to like him. I entirely share your first impression on him, though, so this looks good to me.

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;971298]Who did you give fruit to[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;971302][MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION]
[MENTION=29377]Marshmallow Marshall[/MENTION][/QUOTE]

Oh well, the time has come for the cat to come out of the bag... NOONE!

I am JOAT. I had one fruit vendor shot, and it was used on jmw. My N3 action was a little more useful:

[center][SIZE=6][FONT=Book Antiqua][B][glow="red"]I successfully healed Martin last night.[/glow][/B][/FONT][/SIZE][/center]

I dare hope the setup gives feedback to both the attacked and to myself xD. But in case there isn't, there was no kill, sooooo.


I have other abilities, but they are all one charge (just like doctor and fruit vendor). I can full-claim if you really want me to, but I'm not sure telling scum whether or not I should be nightkilled is the best idea in the world, so if it's not needed, I won't.

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Who did you give fruit to

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

@Marshmallow Marshall
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Marshmallow Marshall

Oh well, the time has come for the cat to come out of the bag... NOONE!

I am JOAT. I had one fruit vendor shot, and it was used on jmw. My N3 action was a little more useful:

I successfully healed Martin last night.

I dare hope the setup gives feedback to both the attacked and to myself xD. But in case there isn't, there was no kill, sooooo.


I have other abilities, but they are all one charge (just like doctor and fruit vendor). I can full-claim if you really want me to, but I'm not sure telling scum whether or not I should be nightkilled is the best idea in the world, so if it's not needed, I won't.

[QUOTE=Bakura1;971282]Gee, I feel the exact opposite

Well, as long as we're deciding based on our feelings, I guess we can do whatever we want


I'm not role claiming

Unless you have a serious reason to scumread me, I'm not even scum here, much less janitor

I'll do more stuff either tonight or sometime tomorrow[/QUOTE]

I am really not sure why you wouldn't claim here as town. Noone knows your role, but there are people who are 1: townier than you and 2: who have powers that aren't bad at all (such as Martin and his investigation stuff).

Originally Posted by Bakura1

Gee, I feel the exact opposite

Well, as long as we're deciding based on our feelings, I guess we can do whatever we want


I'm not role claiming

Unless you have a serious reason to scumread me, I'm not even scum here, much less janitor

I'll do more stuff either tonight or sometime tomorrow

I am really not sure why you wouldn't claim here as town. Noone knows your role, but there are people who are 1: townier than you and 2: who have powers that aren't bad at all (such as Martin and his investigation stuff).

[QUOTE=10000JellyDoughnuts;971268]You also claimed masonizer, which... last I checked, can't recruit anti-town...?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stealthbomber16;971270]Those are some serious straws you’re grasping at.[/QUOTE]

As much as I scumread Jelly, I don't think it's that much of a straw? Clowns did claim masonizer, and if I'm not mistaken, the reason they were not lynched yesterday was that this was a confirmable and "potentially game-winning" role - and while I don't agree with this reason because they absolutely can be full of shit and just be adding scum to a chat and pretending that this chat is full of townies, Jelly's point doesn't seem moot to me.

Originally Posted by 10000JellyDoughnuts

You also claimed masonizer, which... last I checked, can't recruit anti-town...?

Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Those are some serious straws you’re grasping at.

As much as I scumread Jelly, I don't think it's that much of a straw? Clowns did claim masonizer, and if I'm not mistaken, the reason they were not lynched yesterday was that this was a confirmable and "potentially game-winning" role - and while I don't agree with this reason because they absolutely can be full of shit and just be adding scum to a chat and pretending that this chat is full of townies, Jelly's point doesn't seem moot to me.

[QUOTE=10000JellyDoughnuts;971265]Notably, you're scum. But I will indulge you.

[Vote]10000JellyDoughnuts[/Vote][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Frinckles;971266]Self voting doesn't work but you basically outed yourself with that claim.

Personally, I would have switched it up from the obvious.[/QUOTE]

I mean, they didn't admit anything. That being said, they absolutely are scummy, and--

Okay I just went to check their claim, which I had missed because I am tired. Die already lol [vote]10000JellyDoughnuts[/vote]
Unconfirmable three shot Victim? That's a little too... uncool for the roles we already know exist, and entirely unconfirmable.

As for massclaiming, it does look like a good idea, but it's only really useful if we all do it, so we need people (especially people like [MENTION=46287]Snom_[/MENTION] who haven't really done much) to go on with it.

Speaking of you, Snom, do you have any reads or anything interesting? Your avatar is beautiful, but that's the only thing going in your favor lmao.

Originally Posted by 10000JellyDoughnuts

Notably, you're scum. But I will indulge you.

-vote 10000JellyDoughnuts

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Self voting doesn't work but you basically outed yourself with that claim.

Personally, I would have switched it up from the obvious.

I mean, they didn't admit anything. That being said, they absolutely are scummy, and--

Okay I just went to check their claim, which I had missed because I am tired. Die already lol

-vote 10000JellyDoughnuts

Unconfirmable three shot Victim? That's a little too... uncool for the roles we already know exist, and entirely unconfirmable.

As for massclaiming, it does look like a good idea, but it's only really useful if we all do it, so we need people (especially people like @Snom_ who haven't really done much) to go on with it.

Speaking of you, Snom, do you have any reads or anything interesting? Your avatar is beautiful, but that's the only thing going in your favor lmao.

TheClowns (3 [L-3]):
MartinGG99, Marshmallow Marshall, Stealthbomber16
10000JellyDoughnuts (1 [L-5]):
oliverz144
Frinckles (1 [L-5]):
Ashoka Tano
oliverz144 (5 [L-1]):
Frinckles, 10000JellyDoughnuts, Bakura1, TheClowns, jmw


Oh well. So it will be. Oliverz isn't towny anyway so eh.

TheClowns (3 [L-3]):
MartinGG99, Marshmallow Marshall, Stealthbomber16
10000JellyDoughnuts (1 [L-5]):
oliverz144
Frinckles (1 [L-5]):
Ashoka Tano
oliverz144 (5 [L-1]):
Frinckles, 10000JellyDoughnuts, Bakura1, TheClowns, jmw


Oh well. So it will be. Oliverz isn't towny anyway so eh.

[QUOTE=jmw;971203]Is this normal from Frinckles? Because all I see is a tunnel without a really good reason. Don't know how well you two know each other but I don't see Frinckles considering other options when a MM lynch is definitely not happening so it strikes me as weird. Is it just a playstyle thing?[/QUOTE]

Frinckles is known to work in mysterious ways - and no, this is not entirely out of character for him, he will tend to try to overwhelm people when he thinks they are scum, namely calling for a TOWN TAKEOVER™ and stuff of that kind. The magic change at the last minute on Deathworlds was surprising, though, but I guess not entirely [I]impossible[/I].
And yes, we do know eachother well enough, I dare say

Originally Posted by jmw

Is this normal from Frinckles? Because all I see is a tunnel without a really good reason. Don't know how well you two know each other but I don't see Frinckles considering other options when a MM lynch is definitely not happening so it strikes me as weird. Is it just a playstyle thing?

Frinckles is known to work in mysterious ways - and no, this is not entirely out of character for him, he will tend to try to overwhelm people when he thinks they are scum, namely calling for a TOWN TAKEOVERâ„¢ and stuff of that kind. The magic change at the last minute on Deathworlds was surprising, though, but I guess not entirely impossible.
And yes, we do know eachother well enough, I dare say

[QUOTE=TheClowns;971200]My role will literally be proven tomorrow[/QUOTE]

How? Do you have a way to prove this?

[QUOTE=TheClowns;971170][url]https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Masonizer[/url][/QUOTE]

By what process do you confirm your alignment with this, apart from dying?

Originally Posted by TheClowns

My role will literally be proven tomorrow

How? Do you have a way to prove this?

Originally Posted by TheClowns

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/wiki/Masonizer

By what process do you confirm your alignment with this, apart from dying?

[MENTION=15807]Stealthbomber16[/MENTION] do you think Frinckles actually could be town here, despite the case on Clowns and him + despite the Deathworlds lynch at EoD1? Because what he's doing right now really feels like actual scum hunting, or rather "scum cornerning", so to speak, because it looks like he thinks he really found a scum and wants to make him (me) perish. I am beginning to doubt the scumread significantly. Thoughts?
(you'll probably only see this tomorrow but meh, I'll still be interested if everyone's alive lol)

@Stealthbomber16 do you think Frinckles actually could be town here, despite the case on Clowns and him + despite the Deathworlds lynch at EoD1? Because what he's doing right now really feels like actual scum hunting, or rather "scum cornerning", so to speak, because it looks like he thinks he really found a scum and wants to make him (me) perish. I am beginning to doubt the scumread significantly. Thoughts?
(you'll probably only see this tomorrow but meh, I'll still be interested if everyone's alive lol)

[QUOTE=Frinckles;971187]Town MM doesn't look over clues.

I say you wrote it.
Bakura says Oliver wrote it.

You know it's real, you know it doesn't come from town.[/QUOTE]

Town MM learnt to look over insignificant and time-wasting "clues" such as lore stuff in games where the link between lore and alignment is not explicitely stated to be present by the host. This is another kind of relatively insignificant and time-wasting clue. If it had SCREAMED a name in my brain as soon as I had read it, I wouldn't be saying this, but it really isn't the case lol.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

Town MM doesn't look over clues.

I say you wrote it.
Bakura says Oliver wrote it.

You know it's real, you know it doesn't come from town.

Town MM learnt to look over insignificant and time-wasting "clues" such as lore stuff in games where the link between lore and alignment is not explicitely stated to be present by the host. This is another kind of relatively insignificant and time-wasting clue. If it had SCREAMED a name in my brain as soon as I had read it, I wouldn't be saying this, but it really isn't the case lol.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;971181]okay man. then if you're town I implore you to vote the person who wrote that. let's see if you will

You must realize it's important by now, right?[/QUOTE]

1: I have no clue who wrote that, I don't even know half the damn players in this list well lmao (and this is true of almost EVERYONE in this game, apart perhaps from Martin and even then I'm not sure)
2: I literally just said the importance of that "who wrote X" analysis was not that important. It's way too unreliable, especially considering, as I said, people well can adopt styles that aren't theirs when saying that kind of stuff. If I had to say who it is gun-to-head, I'd probably say Oliverz because he's a lot into SMASHING AND DESTROYING with CAPITAL LETTERS and all, but I'm really, really, really not confident and far prefer using actual behavior reads over this strange speculation.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

okay man. then if you're town I implore you to vote the person who wrote that. let's see if you will

You must realize it's important by now, right?

1: I have no clue who wrote that, I don't even know half the damn players in this list well lmao (and this is true of almost EVERYONE in this game, apart perhaps from Martin and even then I'm not sure)
2: I literally just said the importance of that "who wrote X" analysis was not that important. It's way too unreliable, especially considering, as I said, people well can adopt styles that aren't theirs when saying that kind of stuff. If I had to say who it is gun-to-head, I'd probably say Oliverz because he's a lot into SMASHING AND DESTROYING with CAPITAL LETTERS and all, but I'm really, really, really not confident and far prefer using actual behavior reads over this strange speculation.

[QUOTE=jmw;971176]I can accept the Jelly read, since you're claiming to know she's conftown. But I want to know how you went from this:



to this:[/QUOTE]

Or from "MM is actively prompting discussion and activity by asking questions, and towny" to "MM is uncontributive, coasting, and scummy" without any posts addressing me at all between the two...

Like, I can understand having differences between heads, but there's "having differences" and "literally saying everything and its opposite". It just looks like you don't actually think what you say, Clowns.

Originally Posted by jmw

I can accept the Jelly read, since you're claiming to know she's conftown. But I want to know how you went from this:



to this:

Or from "MM is actively prompting discussion and activity by asking questions, and towny" to "MM is uncontributive, coasting, and scummy" without any posts addressing me at all between the two...

Like, I can understand having differences between heads, but there's "having differences" and "literally saying everything and its opposite". It just looks like you don't actually think what you say, Clowns.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;971168]lmao as if he fucking reaction hasn't been enough. I'm gonna sound like a broken record here but I suck at reading MM. After I pushed him on the LW message he got super defensive like he doesn't type that way when he's being goofy[/QUOTE]

I mean, I... don't speak that way, it's not my style of "theatrics" as you said
what else do you want me to say XD

Again, if I had been scum feeling guilty or w/e, I'd have just shut up and never brought it up, hoping noone would ask me to directly address it. Besides, this "evidence" in a poorly written last will (literally no spaces at the end, I only actually read it recently because it was a long wall lol and it's just a compilation of stuff, part of which I can confirm is accurate because of the fruit part) is honestly not worth what y'all are making it in my humble opinion...

Originally Posted by Frinckles

lmao as if he fucking reaction hasn't been enough. I'm gonna sound like a broken record here but I suck at reading MM. After I pushed him on the LW message he got super defensive like he doesn't type that way when he's being goofy

I mean, I... don't speak that way, it's not my style of "theatrics" as you said
what else do you want me to say XD

Again, if I had been scum feeling guilty or w/e, I'd have just shut up and never brought it up, hoping noone would ask me to directly address it. Besides, this "evidence" in a poorly written last will (literally no spaces at the end, I only actually read it recently because it was a long wall lol and it's just a compilation of stuff, part of which I can confirm is accurate because of the fruit part) is honestly not worth what y'all are making it in my humble opinion...

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971157]if frinckles is the scum-team I doubt they would think it to be set in stone like that

especially when frinckles is the very reason Clowns was saved on d1[/QUOTE]

mmmmmmm... what about this: I want Bakura to be town, he's nice, damnit!

And sure, saved on D1, but now I'd say the writing on the wall is pretty significant. And again, WE NEED TO LYNCH HIM ANYWAY.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;971158]So take this post, and substitute Oliver for MM. Then substitute flamboyant for revolutionary Frenchman obsessed with destruction and shakes.

no but seriously, let me carry the game[/QUOTE]

I can't... lmao :D

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

if frinckles is the scum-team I doubt they would think it to be set in stone like that

especially when frinckles is the very reason Clowns was saved on d1

mmmmmmm... what about this: I want Bakura to be town, he's nice, damnit!

And sure, saved on D1, but now I'd say the writing on the wall is pretty significant. And again, WE NEED TO LYNCH HIM ANYWAY.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

So take this post, and substitute Oliver for MM. Then substitute flamboyant for revolutionary Frenchman obsessed with destruction and shakes.

no but seriously, let me carry the game

I can't... lmao

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971150]fmpov game gets largely decided this day considering we're probably like 1-2 yeets away from LYLO and there isn't a super-solid town-core (except like maybe you/me/jmw, but even then you + jmw are being directly challenged)

so I don't see much reason to not defend your scummates if they're being pushed[/QUOTE]

I mean... us not lynching Clowns today would be a massive misplay imo (again, we do NOT want to take this to LYLO, it would be horrible), and we seem to be heading towards that quite clearly? It seems thoroughly pointless for scum to defend Clowns in such a situation.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

fmpov game gets largely decided this day considering we're probably like 1-2 yeets away from LYLO and there isn't a super-solid town-core (except like maybe you/me/jmw, but even then you + jmw are being directly challenged)

so I don't see much reason to not defend your scummates if they're being pushed

I mean... us not lynching Clowns today would be a massive misplay imo (again, we do NOT want to take this to LYLO, it would be horrible), and we seem to be heading towards that quite clearly? It seems thoroughly pointless for scum to defend Clowns in such a situation.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;971144]what is the value in bussing lol

clowns flipping scum basically gives no benefit to anyone pushing them at this point since they were largely ignored for almost the entirety of D2

making the argument "oh they just decided to bus d3" would be very easy on almost anyone simply because of that[/QUOTE]

Yes, but there's a difference between "choosing not to bus because it's not worth it" and actively defending your screwed teammate when it clearly won't work, spending much time repeating it, etc. I just don't see it happening. It's not like Bakura is just saying "I'd rather not" and then shut up about it for the rest of the game.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

what is the value in bussing lol

clowns flipping scum basically gives no benefit to anyone pushing them at this point since they were largely ignored for almost the entirety of D2

making the argument "oh they just decided to bus d3" would be very easy on almost anyone simply because of that

Yes, but there's a difference between "choosing not to bus because it's not worth it" and actively defending your screwed teammate when it clearly won't work, spending much time repeating it, etc. I just don't see it happening. It's not like Bakura is just saying "I'd rather not" and then shut up about it for the rest of the game.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;971139]I encourage and supporting that sort of brutality/gaslighting. Just trying to keep it pg-13.



Okay now this is just twisting my words.



There is only one person who will convince me to move off you and that's only if they say please. You must be stopped.[/QUOTE]

I legit did not understand your post then though lol, hence "am I misunderstanding?" Correct the mistakes :P

Pwease?

Originally Posted by Frinckles

I encourage and supporting that sort of brutality/gaslighting. Just trying to keep it pg-13.



Okay now this is just twisting my words.



There is only one person who will convince me to move off you and that's only if they say please. You must be stopped.

I legit did not understand your post then though lol, hence "am I misunderstanding?" Correct the mistakes :P

Pwease?