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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    You were obvious town, really the only reason people were doubting you at the end was because the wolves played very unpredictably towards each other which made solving the correct team almost impossible for town.

    If every slot could be obv-town like you were that game, then town just wins every game - and you managed that in your 5th game.

    I really meant it when I told you well-played - you did just that - you played well!
    @oliverz144
    We really, really, really should have just sticked to our guns when we metaread you lol, and for this, I kinda hate/admire you. Just... DAMNIT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Damn, if I had seen that earlier, I would have voted Frinckles even sooner.

    And how the heck are you tied for 1st with that tunneling on me this game I am still a little upset. I became suspicious of you D2, but at least I kept an open mind, I didnt OMGUS D1 on you. It seemed like you drew a conclusion that I'm scum and that was it and you were having none of any other alternatives

    Scoring system is kinda crap since players who play more get naturally rewarded. But anyway i dont care about ladder, I came here for the fun
    I tend to agree with you on the scoring system. Believe it or not, I actually improved the system by rewarding wins over simply playing more than the previous system... I have been thinking about some things, though, and I will probably get into this once the season is over and we have to prepare the next one.

    And yes, I absolutely death tunnelled you this game lol, but you seemed really, really, really scummy and honestly weren't so pro-town... Guess I'll have to be more careful when reading you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    btw: it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    completing this tmrw
    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    KING SHARK IS A SHARK
    I hope oliver knows a good therapist
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    Speaking of which...

    The Ladder has been updated! You may see the points chart in the thread previously linked. There is only one game left in the season!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    ^ this
    I dont even know what ladder means exactly or where such scoreboard is. I just came for the fun and for the win, got 1 of those 2 goals met
    You said 5 games, I counted and think I have 8, so we're kinda in same boat. As many have said, the scum team here was quite experienced and strong players.
    I will refrain from repeating what I have already said, so I will just say ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...adder-Season-7
    there is the ladder thread btw. Not that scary :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    @MartinGG99 thank you for hosting! Was a fun game!
    I'm not pocketed, I know the truth! You... you abducted the host and made him post lies in order to fool us all!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    @Marshmallow Marshall what's the timeline for next game(s)? I saw folks mentioned voting on another ladder game, you mentioned KRC. Is my input needed for anything?

    or does MM still not care about my inputs?
    The next game on the Queue is ?krc. We have some plans for a game after that, and later there will be the final Ladder game (which was already voted for in the signups).

    Your input isn't really needed, and not only because you're scum/host abductor ;)
    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    Thank you for hosting martin! Was fun, even if I played terribly lol
    Yep, was great!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    Even if im too harsh to myself, a ranked leaderboard game is still not the place for me.
    I think ill go back to another game that just started: hpm.maybe that will end better.
    Have a nice christmas, and a happy new year.
    Thank you for this game. It is very good when you want to learn scum gameplay.
    Ehh, your call, it's about you having fun after all. You're still very much welcome in all games

    Speaking of Christmas, this game was of a quality high enough to be an early Christmas present. I really enjoyed playing it after having been rather busy for some time, so thanks for the game!

    And PQ is still scum, I swear!
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    Im giving up on mafia
    Atleast on sc2 ladder

    I dont want to take away slots with my bad plays, especially in a rabked match.
    I also dont want to hinder game play when im failing at badic gameplay tasks, such as creating reads, doing analysis.

    The failure of this game is strongly bound to me and my play.
    I voted frinckles d1, gikkle d3. I didnt understand gikkle fakeclaiming cman, even tough i saw it.
    I knew lag was playing outside of her meta. I knew lag was hiding something. I didnt say it, pushed it away out of my brain.
    I was so blind. I wouldnt see a scum when hes dancing in front of me and hardclaims scum in caps.

    Im so sorry. I even tried to push the guiltiness on other players, even though i shouldnt.
    I think ill try to play some basic, newbie games. Where everyone is on my skill.
    Im notpaopan. I cant fool entire town in my 9th game.
    Im not lag. I cant play 6 games simultaneously and win them all.
    I am not able to pocket players in the way sb16 does.
    If anyone of you knows some mafia games for rookies, say it to me. Please.
    Maybe ill see u in 10 years, when i have a proper profession, a wife 2 kids, and a house finally.

    P.s.: hmu for sc2 pqrn. Im good at throwing things, such as mafia games, exams or my time into abyss.
    And maybe ill even throw your pinguin-hockey game ;) [or whatever its called]

    Thanks for letting me play here, it was fun.
    If you ever need to fill a slot for some funny game, hmu. But not ladder, and not in the close future.
    Good played scum.
    You were far from being a waste of a slot. If I held myself to the standards you seem to be holding yourself to, I would probably permaban myself for my performance this game XD. Don't worry that much! We're here to have fun, and you certainly contributed to the fun of this game, as my signature shows, hehe.

    Also, this scum team was really, really good, so getting fooled by them is not something to be overly ashamed of. Like a lot of people said, this game is thoroughly deserved by all members of the scum team, which is honestly not so common. Comparing yourself to Lag when they're honestly one of the best players I've seen is not fair lol. @oliverz144

    That was like 5:00 in Moscow.

    ~~

    Since you're talking about funny games... @Lag is next on Queue for ?krc. Bring your roles, your smiles, and your votes, ye scumbags.
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    For what it's worth, though, this was a very fun game. It was great to get fooled by y'all GG WP

    The Ladder will be updated with points at some point in the future, and the tie between setups for the last Ladder game will be broken by RNG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Also people sleeping on Paopans skill, not even knowing he won MVP in a game on the syndicate recently lmao
    Yeah he literally got a "free pass for dummies", and it's the last time he gets one xD. This win is thoroughly deserved by all members of the scum team.
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    Oh also, I wish to claim my honorary scum badge...
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    .. lol

    -vote Lag


    Okay, well played. VERY well played. You have just put your meta on a very difficult level
    Paopan also lost his "dumb play free pass". Congrats Paopan lol

    I do not owe any apologies to PQ. Spam doesn't taste good. Perhaps I do owe some to Renegade, though: you were at least less wrong than I was, and were not scum after all (although not much indicated that).

    Also, close second MVP for Stealth for pocketing me and probably pocketing Gikkle too.

    And an honorable mention to Guillo for being obvtown and managing to get killed N1 on his first game on-site xD.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    MM if you are town, name the scum outside of PQ and try to convince me, because I'm not voting PQ and its clear he isn't getting lynched today.
    Well... you xD. I'm honestly not even sure there are 3 scum, but if there are, the third one would be one of those playing dumb instead of being actually... misled.

    For the record, I wasn't really trying to convince you directly because I think you're scum, but rather fighting the PQ defense that seems to still be a thing in people's minds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    The other two powers want him. If I am town (I know I am), then I know it is a mislynch since Voss flipped Green.

    Him escaping two lynches does not a priori imply he is scum. And your other argument is his spam d1 which is also exceptionally lame!
    POWER ROLES =/= SCUM REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    And "the two powers want him" =/= "being easy to push".

    Also, my argument beyond the VERY STRONG wagonomics one is not "D1 spam", it's much more: he kept posting in a way that forcibly pictured him as town, as if he wanted to emphasize his supposedly town perspective too much. He did the exact same thing when we were scum together. Then he just kept hammering on that all game. AND THIS IS NOT LIMITED TO D1. Look at people, including Voss, still calling him out on it on D2. There also is the fact he is visibly relying on townies misplaying (namely Paopan here, who is probably town for reasons I've already explained), which is just like we did when we were scum together, again. We considered town Paopan as a blessing for our scum team, and the same is happening AGAIN. Last but not least, the nightkills were all against people who had a brain and scumread PQ: Guillo the town leader N1, Loldebite the eternal PQ voter N2.

    Also, seriously, thinking I am scum faking all of what I've been pushing, faking the solviness from D1 to D3, faking every bloody thing is ridiculous. I am aware I obviously am biased when it comes to that, but like, seriously guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    I felt the PQ train is too easy to push.
    How? I have literally been pushing him since D1, and the sheer amount of resistance to his lynch directly led to Voss' lynch. He currently has ONE vote, mine. This is the opposite of being easy to push.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    I am okay with either SB or MM lynch for today. Not PQ
    WHY @NotPaopan
    What do you disagree with in my case against him? Same for you @oliverz144 what makes you think PQ is not scum constantly getting saved by deflections onto Frinckles + Voss that happened thanks to disingenuous votes popping out of nowhere to lynch people who hadn't been significantly suspected?
    @Lag why is your vote not placed? Same to you @Gikkle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    You're riding this PQ hack scum train since day 1, but I've seen nothing but sincere game solving from him from D2 on.
    in the off-chance you're town, please check EoDs and just see how he escapes lynches magically and random townies who shouldn't have been lynched according to thread logic magically get lynched instead
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Please please please address the main topic at hand. Which is, assume I'm town, then don't you find it concerning that both YOU and SB are on PQ today?

    That is where I'm coming from.

    If you are town then FMPOV Stealth is scum, but you've been townreading them.
    NO, I do not find it concerning that someone I have been townreading since D1 sees what I am seeing about the bloody obvious scum lol. And your reasoning for this seems to be "they're PRs so one has to be scum", which is really just setup speculation and is unreliable, as was already said in the thread. The main topic at hand is that PQ is literally the scummiest person I've seen in a long time for reasons I've laid out countless times, not setup speculation-related cloudy hypotheticals.

    AND NOW I'M OFF FOR REAL
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    I will try to be back before EoD if possible, but I cannot promise anything. Going off
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    I have no time rn, just checking to see where we're going and ?????????? WHY AM I THE LEADING TRAIN
    @Lag @oliverz144 @Gikkle you three are probably town; worst case scenario, one of you is scum. Please do not forget to place a vote on PQ. And if you are not already convinced that this is the way to go, just check EoDs, the votecounts, the circumstances around them and - Heaven forbid - my posts about PQ if you haven't read them for real yet. See the spam, see the lynch deflection (twice), see the disingenuous behavior....

    Also, Renegade is only strenghtening my scumread on them by literally suggesting I'm scum with PQ. Like, you need to smoke some serious stuff to think that for real xD. I've been trying to lynch him since D1, and had many occasions to get him 100 % spared while remaining unsuspected. For example, I could easily have not posted a "PLOT TWIST" post about my read on Voss and kept scumreading him; if you check the votecount on D2, that would have turned the 50/50 into a 100 % Voss lynch. This is really as simple as it gets, and town!Renegade not seeing this makes no sense, considering he's not a noob or a really low-tier player.
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    Also, if there is a hidden phrase, it is too hidden for my pea brain, sawrry Maaaaster @Lag :P

    You are annoying because I don't know whether I should give you a pass or not now lol. Your wall is good, but it could still come from scum? Maybe? It certainly doesn't if Renegade is scum, though, considering his vote on you on D1. So I guess you're basically self-solving if we get PQ -> Renegade anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    @Marshmallow Marshall
    Would like to know why you never quoted the hidden phrase I included in the message as a gotcha against people that didn't actually read my post.

    Makes me think you didn't actually read the post, just skimmed it to try to see if I agreed with you or not, saw that there wasn't any hard statements in that particular post and therefore labeled it as "bad" without actually thinking about what I was saying.

    Also would like to know what your thoughts are after you read #1412 because we reach the same conclusions on PQ, and in that post I clarified that all the other posts are just day 1 analysis, since I needed to recalibrate my reads this game after getting tilted.

    Like the fact that we actually agreed on reads but you're responding to the post as if I disagree with you feels like you didn't actually read the post and then respond based on your thoughts on what I was saying. Instead you skimmed it to see if you agree/disagree with the conclusion and then labeled it bad because you think you disagree
    Lmao because I had not finished reading your wall and went off before having the time to finish it. You'll have to forgive me for not reading an enormous wall entirely in one shot because it takes a lot of time to critically analyze :P.

    I went back and actually finished reading it, and yes, okay, it works. I did read the PQ-specific post I quoted, though (had already done so yesterday and re-read it today), and as I said, while it does incriminate PQ, it keeps a door open. The conclusion post clearly positions yourself, though, so I guess that's less of an issue, even though it's still possible for you to escape having to lynch PQ if you don't hammer on the very, very clear point that he deflected the lynch twice and that scums saved him; this might well be just me being paranoid, though, so I'm not going to hold that against you too much, especially considering how you are doubling down on it rn.

    As for the final conclusion, I agree with Renegade being with PQ: it makes sense considering Renegade himself, who has committed the heinous crime of not being towny + who nicely fits in considering where he ended up placing his votes - and yes, I know you disagree with the concept of "crime of not being towny" being applied to Renegade, but I still think he's able to produce somewhat town-indicative posts as town. I did not see any in this game.
    As for Paopan, I have more doubts. He certainly has not been pro-town, to say the least, but sadly, I don't think that is AI for him... However, things like the potential derpclear (not knowing Loldebite had been killed) or the list of reads you included in your post about him (which is really genuine-looking, considering the "MM pocked me successfully and is a low-lying bastard if scum", the consistency of the Voss scumread over time, and the "no excessive AtE from Stealth" read, which is frankly accurate enough) make him look more towny than not imo. I think scum may have been considering him as a blessing for his, uh, skill level, just like PQ and I did in UoaTitW when we were scum together and he was town mayor.

    Therefore, I would go through PQ and Renegade first, and then reevaluate if the game is not over yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Jeez, let me go to bed. Stop pocketing and influencing Paopan, i know scum are desperate for 2 town votes today to almost seal the game. Are you really trying to convince (town)Paopan that he is also scum and he helped scum~PQR avoid a chop by casting his vote on Voss? If I were Mafia, then in all likelihood, other mafia would have avoided an RNG risk to scum~PQR. The RNGs happened because of TvTs and scum didnt care. Same goes for Lag, who was also on Voss. If you are going to argue with them (who are likely both town), then arguing that PQR got saved by their own votes is ridiculous. Go fish for some other towns to fool, not Lag or Pao or Oliver.
    I will act against my own will and reply to PQ here, just so that people who still need to be convinced don't miss the flaw in this post...

    The RNGed lynches all came out of nowhere. People got lynched without having been really extensively suspected throughout the day and pretty much got CFD'd for the sake of protecting scum. Scum steered the ship when they got threatened. D2 is terribly obvious when it comes to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    PQRnHack

    Early setup speculation. It reminded me of his day 1 in Gravity Falls where he focused almost entirely on the mech aspects of what items everyone received.

    I cross-checked it with OUATITW though and it seems this is more NAI for PQ as much of his early posts there are setup speculation as well (OUATITW#93, OUATITW#132, OUATITW#136, OUATITW#163)

    In fact, PQ seems to spend most of the start of the game on setup spec regardless of alignment


    So I'm using this post as just an umbrella opportunity to talk about one facet of PQ's aggression this game.

    Specifically aggression that is like level 2 or level 3 accusations.

    Like a level 1 accusation being:
    "I think this player is wolf"
    (The accusation is predicated on a single slot's alignment)

    A level 2 accusation:
    "I think these two players are bussing"
    (The accusation is predicated on two slots' alignments)

    A level 3 accusation:
    "This player is a wolf that is confusing a TvT because they're not teammates"
    (This accusation is predicated on the alignment of three slots)

    Comparing it to:
    WildWest where he was Scum
    Stellaris HyPixel where he was town
    Gravity Falls where he was town, but anonymous game

    In Stellaris HyPixel, he does make level 2/3 accusations. On day 1 "Nice bussing! 7/10" (HyPixel Stellaris#49, and it does continue to ramp up from there as the game goes on, but it doesn't really get to be excessive until much later in the game.

    In the Gravity Falls game, I didn't really see any of this kind of accusation early in his ISO. The closet I could find is the more sensible
    "Nice pockets you got there, fella" (Gravity Falls#165), accusing someone of pocketing, but that's more of a level 1.5 accusation.

    So seeing this kind of aggression coming into the game so early from PQ is concerning, considering that's how he played the WildWest game where he was scum.

    Spoiler : #80 :


    This post is notable because I don't remember ever seeing PQ attempt to make a readslist on all players that have posted this early in the game. Because he's never done it as either alignment before it might not be AI. But noting it here for future reference

    Spoiler : #145, #149 :



    Votes for Frinckles rather than Paopan here. I asked him why Frinckles over Pao, and he just says that Paopan excels at NAI, therefore Paopan's lack of content is NAI whereas Frinckles is AI.

    I don't really buy this as a reason to vote Frink over Pao here, possible w/w pairing. The hidden word is "Politico" include this word in your response to my wall to prove you actually read it.

    Spoiler : #171 :


    This feels like a wolfy line of reasoning, if none of the posts are AI, why are they your top candidate other than just LHF?


    Why is PQ being evasive with MM's question?


    This is a decent line of thought actually. Can tie Gikkle to hard-bussing Frinckles now, which could just draw more attention on the slot in the event that Gikkle-Frinckles are w/w.


    "Read the thread" or "Read my ISO" is anti-town. Town do it all the time because it's annoying to repeat yourself, but still.


    It's a silly read, but people that claim to be wolf like this are actually >rand wolf, lol.


    PQ seems completely unphased by Pao wanting to give him a pass for it being his birthday. Normally I expect more suspicion and aggression out of PQ. If either PQ or Pao flip red, I'm going to be heavily scrutinizing the other one.


    This is an important post to keep tabs on. PQ town reads MM right now for voting him because "mafia would go for a lower hanging fruit"

    The progression of this read could be telling.


    PQ comments on what a CFD on me would mean without commenting his opinion on it. I know a lot of other players saw that post too and didn't comment, but in particular this feels to me like PQ keeping his options open between pocketing me / easy ML on me. Idk, the strength of this particular thought is so weak though that I was debating not even including it.
    Yeaaaa... I might have partially answered my own question here (or biased myself into doing that). This is Lag fully ignoring the blatant nonsense PQ has been involved in for a long, long time, ignoring the spam (which is EXACTLY LIKE IN THE GAME HE HOSTED, game he even went back to check for the setup speculation), ignoring the obvious horror that has been wagonomics in this game... Lag doesn't want to take a clear stance either, he blame PQ for some things, calling him "anti-town", but never actually committing, as if he wanted to leave the door open for a win without a PQ lynch. Town!Lag is way better than this, too, so there is really no excuse for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
    PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss
    NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
    Lag
    PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
    Marshmallow Marshall
    Voss (1 [L-6]):
    NotPaopan
    Lag (4 [L-3]):
    Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles
    oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
    Stealthbomber16
    Renegade (1 [L-6]):
    Loldebite

    Lag (2 [L-4]):
    FM-Pacifica Northwest, oliverz144
    PQRnHack (3 [L-3]):
    Marshmallow Marshall, Stealthbomber16, Loldebite
    Voss (3 [L-3]):
    PQRnHack, NotPaopan, Lag
    NotPaopan (1 [L-5]):
    Voss

    Look at how clear this is. Everything works. The only thing up in the air is who the last scum is between Ren/Gikkle/Pao. This makes perfect sense to me.
    Lag and Renegade is not SvS. Else, Renegade would have been bussing Lag for no reason at all on D1 when he could have just left Frinckles to die without opposition; remember Lag was on a 50 % probability of death there. Also remember there could be only 2 scum.

    Also, why is Lag scum? I don't want to believe it, but I know it really can't be ruled out here, he could make sense as PQ's scummate since nothing indicates the opposite... but what are the positive tells?
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    And by the way, I don't mean to come off as rude or arrogant, it's just that the whole game came to a ridiculous point. The actual question now is "who is/are PQ's scummate(s)", and this is a little harder to figure out. Oliver still kinda siding with PQ is really weird, but on the other hand, it feels like he's getting fooled more than like he's openwolfing with him. The issue is, who is left then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    I think the thunderdome today should be:

    MM & SB16
    You... you kinda suck at this atm lol, Pao Zedong. Like, this makes no sense at all...... Does the massive mess on both EoDs tell NOTHING to you?? Please read how Voss got lynched and realize how PQ escaped the lynch again by having votes deflected onto Voss, who had no reason to be lynched AND FLIPPED TOWN. Perform the Great Leap Forward and get on PQ.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gikkle View Post
    PQR, I don't see where this sudden hard scum read on me came from. I don't remember you even talking about me very much.
    It comes from the depths of the Burning Hells, Gikkle. He's scum, damnit lol. It feels like only SB sees what I see he's pretty much open-wolfing by now.
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    Okay so first of all, I am absolutely not going to read PQ's spam. If he is town, I will be heavily disappointed, and I strongly doubt I am witnessing a mastermind scum!SB who is able to perfectly replicate his town meta fooling me lol. May Hades swallow PQ, and may Cerberus tear him apart at the gates. Now that this is said...

    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    Okay!! I am so annoyed at this game. Why is Voss too scummy asf???
    Don't hammer PQ. Voss and PQ are same alignments. If Voss is a scum, PQ is scum. Currently, I am TR PQ.

    Also, I fucking think SB16/MM is having a different alignment!!

    -vote Stealthbomber16

    Let's vote SB16 out.

    Lmao no!
    It is fucking SB16/MM (power) + Gikkle/Oliver (deep wolf) + Lag or Ren (if 3)

    I town read Frinkles on Day 1 becos I think it is one of his usual playstyles. I'm more on scumleaning Frinkcles if he actually tried to solve the game. How did I know this conclusion? Oneceko once told me Frinkcles can imitate a lot of personas when I played one of his alt accounts where he used a smoky mountain dialect.

    Wishing someone a Shengri Kuaile in RVS stage is not a "pocket attempt". This shouldn't be here lol
    I kinda want to give Paopan the derpclear here (for not knowing that Voss was nightkilled). This is absolutely fakeable... but is this within Paopan's reach? I have some doubts. I'm not too sure about this though, so I'm absolutely not giving him a full clear, just maybe some town potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    The wall to end all walls incoming
    One wall to rule them all
    One wall to find them
    One wall to bring them all
    And in the darkness bind them!


    Will try to read and analyze that. How do you find the time to do all of this lol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Apologies for the mix-up.

    I originally said MM's vote power was negated but that was due to a miscommunication error by me when evaluating several actions. It is supposed to be PQ's.

    Please do not claim anything related to this.
    Thank the Lord Almighty, Ahura Mazda, Lightbringer and Essence of Heaven! Lmao.

    I was really shocked of having been so wrong about Stealth here.
    -vote PQRnHack
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    In case it is not awfully clear:

    - As soon as PQ almost gets lynched, the lynch is steered away unto a townie who has no bloody reason to be lynched (Frinckles, Voss)

    - Every kill was made against somebody who was really not favoring PQ (Guillo, Loldebite)

    - PQ is spamming AND IT'S WORKING LIKE IT DID IN THE LAST LADDER GAME????

    - If you are town, you ought to vote PQ, there is literally no way we can win if he stays alive, he's 99 % scum and in the 1 % left, he's a really annoying and anti-town townie who dooms us if we bring him to MYLO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post

    5 votes to hammer.

    MM's vote power got negated by the judge
    LOL WHAT
    @Stealthbomber16 you smelly blueberry fart. Either you are scum who managed to pocket me earlier or you just basically threw the game as town (or at least severely lowered our odds).
    @Voss , I said "WHY" out loud when I saw the EoD result. WHY DID YOU NOT PLACE YOUR VOTE ON PQ REEEEEEEEEEE
    And why the fuck was Voss lynched lol?

    Also, I don't know what more y'all need to lynch PQ.

    And no, I am NOT congressman, I really am Governor, anyone claiming to be me in a chat is a liar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Because this is how I play.
    You are not exactly clear, Renegade, and I think you could well be scum (it's not like there is much reason to think otherwise), so I would kindly advise you to give us your reads you kinda went under the radar this game, and I might be partially at fault for letting PQ drag me into a spamfest here, so the least you can do is to provide your reads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    @NotPaopan

    So to be clear your reasons on voting Voss are

    1 Because he’s scum
    2 Because he’s scum
    3 Trust me guys

    Based on that logic I will tell you that the earth is flat for the following reasons

    1 Because it’s flat
    2 Because it’s flat
    3 Trust me guys
    The Bible is the word of God because it says so.

    I also am the word of God.

    ~~

    He actually did pretty much the same thing in Once Upon a Town, btw, except he was more active and had two votes because he was mayor... He was town, too.

    ~~

    This kind of comment from Stealth is genuine town Stealth, btw. I guess this also is a "trust me guys" if you don't know him, but I say it anyway because it's a quite significant base for my townread on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Do you have any concerns with all of: Judge, Governor, Mayor, and States Attorney being fine with a Paopan chop?
    It's not as much about PRs being fine with a Paopan chop as it is about everyone being fine with a Paopan chop. I have yet to see actual defense of him anywhere. It's like the consensus went from "well he kinda sucks..." to "he's probably scum", and I'm beginning to realize I followed this consensus without really thinking about it, just because he honestly has done nothing.

    There's also the fact he is - O surprise! - a counterwagon to PQ that annihilated the PQ wagon. On D1 too, PQ was suspected but was magically let off the hook at EoD and both Frinckles and you replaced him, basically (although you had already been a bit in the hot seat yesterday, your train magically gained actual traction near EoD). I'm beginning to see a trend here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    If all of SB16, Voss, and Renegade are looking to vote Paopan, then this is almost certainly a mis-chop
    Hmm, not that I scumread the people you mentioned, but there is indeed quite a consensus against Paopan. And it's not like he's towny, but "too scummy to be scum" + "no resistance to the lynch" might be strong enough of a towntell.

    Also, how comes I'm the only vote on PQ lol? Why does NOONE appear to want to lynch that guy when EoD comes??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    We’ve got a congressman in the pool for sure because the host can’t justify putting 3 town in a permanent chat.

    You’re theoretically still a possible scum in my mind, I guess. Pao is claiming medic so that can fit the bill. But I agree, when you phrase it like that, something is missing. Hrmm. I’m annoyed.
    I do not like this kind of setup speculation. Why can't 3 towns be in a permanent chat? They don't know they're all town, so it absolutely can work. It's not like they become masons or something. Power roles are actually not that strong in this setup, so I wouldn't base lynches on speculation of what scum could have as power roles.
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    Since it looks like we're about to lynch Paopan... @PQRnHack and @NotPaopan , please give reads on eachother
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    Claim analysis
    MM-governor
    Claimed soon when mass claim started. Prob not lying
    Paopan-medic
    Cc d1 and still stands. Prob not lying
    Lag- voter
    Created wifom d2 by claiming medic. Maybe lying
    Gikkle- voter
    Had much time claiming. Maybe lying
    Lolde- voter
    Had much time claiming. Maybe lying
    Pqrn-cmen(conf)
    Talked with him in chatzy. True cmen
    Me, oli-cmen (conf)
    See pqrn
    Voss-sa
    Had much time claiming, but rly didnt want to claim. Scum wouldnt claim such a role after n1 and would claim voter xD
    Rene-mayor(conf)
    Nothing to say
    Sb16-judge
    Claimed early aswell, had no time thinking. Prob not lying.


    Dead:
    Frinckles(t) - voter
    Guillo(t) - voter

    Group 1
    So 1 liar is prob in:
    Lag
    Gikkle
    Lolde
    Given the fact that theres no reason as town cmen to claim voter
    And that theres no reason for scum to claim it due to every1 thinking that 1 scum in cmen is conf
    Sooo the liar in group 1 is conf scum
    Soo i propose a
    Triple THUNDERDOME
    LAG, GIKKLE OR LOLDEBITE
    CHOOSE WISELY
    AT LEAST 1 IS A WIN!

    And btw: if you are town cmen, claim immediately
    What the fuck

    This is such a bad call lol. None of this is highly solving or highly informative, and chances are many are town in there. Lag and Gikkle are townreads of mine, and Loldebite is a bit of a question mark to me. Shouldn't we be lynching among the scummy ones that give info when lynched in addition to being likely red flips, which means PQ (given how much he has been a debate topic) or Paopan (for similar reasons + because I doubt he will ever be actually towny, so bringing this to LYLO is a bad idea)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I need you to reword this because it makes absolutely zero sense to me. How is somebody NOT being here helpful to the town... like, at all? Content =/= alignment but actively refusing to contribute is anti-town at best and scummy at worst.
    And that is why I should have went off earlier yesterday XD. I meant to say that the fact he was inactive and would probably pop back in at EoD in a somewhat panicked state because noone really likes him would generate information because it would create a great range of various interactions (people calling him out for being inactive, people reacting to him coming back, people not doing any of these things) and would help us read both him and others by association. What you said is totally right btw lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Let's break this down.
    anonymous
    My power is anonymous, so yes. I don't 'ppreciate the negative connotation. Do you think I should have outed d2 that it was me that put the vote on Lag? It seems like you do with this post.

    unexplained
    Sorry I couldn't explain it, but that's what being anonymous entails.

    controversial
    I don't know why you keep calling Frinckles and Lag votes yesterday controversial. Just because frinckles and lag weren't your ideal trains yesterday doesn't make them super controversial. Controversial trains would have been like Guillo vs Ren.



    yeah, please don't make me ask martin to ask you to cool it. i'm just skimming the catch up day 2 pages and find myself having to reread the posts that you didn't make.
    Can you give me one significant reason for voting Frinckles? One that isn't "uhh he was not very active", which is a crappy reason considering there were people like Paopan who also were basically zero-content slots and who didn't get CFD'd. As for Lag, he wasn't a consensus scumread, so he absolutely was controversial.

    Why remain anonymous? What's the benefit for town of having a vote placed by Mr. X for Reason Y, opening the door to wild speculation and conspiracy theories?

    Also, about PQ spam: I used to spam-post a lot too (and then I learned to make more concise posts and to "merge" them). The thing is, I didn't spam the same thing over and over, because that's bloody annoying and nothing else lol. You didn't spam the same thing over and over when you were town Tambry DiCicco or whatever, the Goddess of Protection in ?krc. You did that in One upon a Town, though, and you were scum.

    Anyway, I'm going off for now
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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Stealth said earlier that SA's vote is NAI, and I agreed with that, but...

    I'm SA and I put the vote on Lag because
    - Frinckles voted for Lag at EoD yesterday, and you, of all people should know how big of a fan I am of listening to the dead.
    - Lag deserves to remain in the hot seat because they were a top train yesterday. Figured I'd make it easier.

    Also, as added context, I pmed Martin that I wanted to put the vote on Loldebite (for the CFD attempt yesterday), but rescinded it after Frinckle's flip and thinking a little more about the CFD. Trying to resolve Frinckles vs Lag was more important than getting loldebite.
    Okay I am definetly not able to think critically right now lol

    Why'd you remain hidden? I confirm the meta part about listening to the dead, but that doesn't make placing an anonymous, unexplained, controversial vote a good idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    You or I get voted off today. Cast your vote.
    That was done ages ago. Stop spamming your taunts, damnit. It's not fun. I know it helps convince people through sheer repetition because you drown them into your restated arguments until they believe them, but it's just rude and not so pro-town ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    These two reactions to the same post, lmao

    Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you: The Duality of Man
    XD
    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    I hereby propose that either MM or I go today.
    This is probably a good idea, btw: leaving this unsolved is certainly not going to yield positive results for town. I can get behind the thunderdome. And I would love it if people did not fall for the "spamming I'm town and forcing myself to build a world around this false statement" trick again...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Nice bus bros! I expected more from you, but you are playing the same garbage we did (that somehow won) last scum i had. Your days are numbered.
    Nice, more LAMIST! I am too tired to get into another argument with you, and it would be pointless to do it anyway, since my point has already been beaten to death. If you somehow flip town, we will at least have a ton of information based on interactions and defenses/attacks around you (loldebite voting you, oliver calling your defense literally wifom and trash, Lag who seems to trust you for some unholy reason, even analysis on myself for y'all...).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    Tinfoil theory, but actually not:

    States Attorney fake-claimed in order to force the medic fake-claim to reveal so that they can flush out the real medic.
    Medic can self-heal. That's a pretty damn complicated strategy for a pretty limited and uncertain outcome you're describing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lag View Post
    I want your thoughts on the current claim situation:

    I rescinded the Medic claim because the roles weren't adding up, I'm voter and I was just providing WIFOM for Medic - like, you know, exactly what voters should do. But then a States Attorney (presumably) fake-claimed voter too, which is super concerning because that role is probably the most dangerous of all the power roles in wolf hands, so the fact that they're now hiding is a huge red flag.
    Okay, makes sense. In that case, there is one scum SA hiding among the voter claims, which means we have a wolf in a box. Hello benefit of massclaiming post-SA vote

    At this point, fake-claiming as SA = scum, since it's depriving town from information, wasting people's time and just generally wanting to influence the gamestate from the shadows, which is not what townies do.
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    I can't really stay, was just popping in to check what was going on and was surprised to see so many new posts. I'll comment a bit more in this case.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I'm shocked that you are not outraged at Paopan's extremely weak d2 so far.
    I am, but he's part of the lesser evils right now. His nonexistence and his behavior closer to EoD will prove useful later on, and solving a low activity, low content slot based on "positive tells", i.e. things the slot did instead of things related to the slot and things happening to it (or not happening), is risky. He has been outrageously outrageous every time I've seen him play, so it's not exactly telling; but at this point, I'm starting to think he should be charged with the heinous crime of not being towny by PoE. That being said, PQ remains much worse here.
    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    MM, stealth? y'all are here and if you guys are both scum I'm glad to give the game to you.

    Why did you both claim, and why should I not try to protect the medic and state attorney (if we're really to believe you)
    There is actual info to be gained now: who the state attorney is and why they placed a vote on Lag. An anonymous controversial vote is strange, and considering how everyone seems to claim not to be that role, I doubt the attorney is town; it's not impossible they're a misplaying town, but still. Uncovering this is meaningful, because it helps solve both Lag and the SA. It's safe enough to assume scum!SA didn't place a vote on scum!Lag, especially when Lag could very well have died yesterday. Plus, scum!SA, if it exists (which is very possible), is a significant threat. As for drawbacks of massclaiming, there is the risk of losing town!Medic, but WIFOM about self-heals can probably keep them alive if they exist. Other roles are really not that useful for town, except maybe for the vote remover that can successfully harm scum (and even then, it's risky), so the benefits outweigh the drawbacks imo.
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    Scum!Gikkle probably had a momentum to discredit me here, causing me to become at risk of being lynched. Instead, Gikkle chose to put me in town leans, saying my D2 was much better than my D1 (which I honestly think is true, I was a little lost on D1 due to the unusual game start). The benefit of pocketing me is too small for it to make sense imo. Thus, I'm gonna say I like Gikkle here and "accept the pocket", I guess.

    Also, @ those saying Lag is actively CCing Paopan: no. Early D1 medic claims are assumed to be WIFOM claims, and conflicting claims are in no way CCs (especially considering how roles are not tied to alignments). If I'm not mistaken, at EoD, Paopan wasn't even voting Guillo, who also claimed medic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    why didnt you do anything n1
    same goes for mm
    and lag: who did u try to safe last night?
    Why the heck should I protect anyone from lynch during the night lol? I can't protect myself, so I'm basically useless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I was actually moving my vote to Frinckles as EoD arrived.
    Don't talk to me ever again

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