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[vote]Blinkskater[/vote] MVP

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-vote Blinkskater

MVP

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION] I am ready to win this thing. I want to know: how did you pick between Frinckles-PQR and Auwt-Varcron given your town-read on Lag/Auwt? This is the biggest mystery for me (since I know all the rest, but you don't, all pressure was on you).

@theoneceko I am ready to win this thing. I want to know: how did you pick between Frinckles-PQR and Auwt-Varcron given your town-read on Lag/Auwt? This is the biggest mystery for me (since I know all the rest, but you don't, all pressure was on you).

Just realized that my sentence was awkward to read. posts "UWU" and posts "posts that I ignore". Double post action, damn.

Just realized that my sentence was awkward to read. posts "UWU" and posts "posts that I ignore". Double post action, damn.

The anticipation is killing me. [MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION] you are one lazy D3 person for one who posts UWU and posts that I ignore cuz TOO MUCH TO READ! I am ready to move on to next game, yo!

The anticipation is killing me. @theoneceko you are one lazy D3 person for one who posts UWU and posts that I ignore cuz TOO MUCH TO READ! I am ready to move on to next game, yo!

But yeah that chance is super tiny. There were 2 votes on my be Auwt and Varcron, so I expect Frinckles to have hammered me to win the game as mafia there. It is assuredly Mafia!Auwt.

But yeah that chance is super tiny. There were 2 votes on my be Auwt and Varcron, so I expect Frinckles to have hammered me to win the game as mafia there. It is assuredly Mafia!Auwt.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;931894]I have to weigh whether the below statement is genuine paranoia or if it's placed conveniently at the end of the day to be referenced tomorrow.

At the same time, I'm not going to be gung-ho about scumreading PQR just because that's a possibility especially when you're still alive. Not to mention he just hasn't been super scummy lol[/QUOTE]

Ironically, it is both! Genuine paranoia (if you made a wild low-% play like what people read you for in Last Hope) [B]and[/B] placed conveniently in case this %&^ happens. I did recognize at the time of my posting that if Auwt does flip town, then this statement will look scummy to Ceko. But as town, I must also keep an open mind that there is an infinitesimal chance that this goes to D4. If I don't acknowledge this possibility, then failure to acknowledge may also be interpreted as scummy. In short, it's NAI.

If Auwt does flip town, then I'm hella screwed because I said many times I preferred to lynch Auwt first in the Auwt/Varcron team that I am confident in.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

I have to weigh whether the below statement is genuine paranoia or if it's placed conveniently at the end of the day to be referenced tomorrow.

At the same time, I'm not going to be gung-ho about scumreading PQR just because that's a possibility especially when you're still alive. Not to mention he just hasn't been super scummy lol

Ironically, it is both! Genuine paranoia (if you made a wild low-% play like what people read you for in Last Hope) and placed conveniently in case this %&^ happens. I did recognize at the time of my posting that if Auwt does flip town, then this statement will look scummy to Ceko. But as town, I must also keep an open mind that there is an infinitesimal chance that this goes to D4. If I don't acknowledge this possibility, then failure to acknowledge may also be interpreted as scummy. In short, it's NAI.

If Auwt does flip town, then I'm hella screwed because I said many times I preferred to lynch Auwt first in the Auwt/Varcron team that I am confident in.

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION] where you at?

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@theoneceko where you at?

There is a tiny chance scum!Frinckles made a mastermind bussing play and we're lynching town!Auwt but those odds are tiny.

There is a tiny chance scum!Frinckles made a mastermind bussing play and we're lynching town!Auwt but those odds are tiny.

GG WP
[vote]Auwt[/vote]

GG WP

-vote Auwt

[QUOTE=Auwt;931834]I don't give a crap anymore.
I'm going to follow my scumlist order then.
At least until ceko opens his mind...
[vote]PQRnHack[/vote]

PQR apparently succeeded in converting ceko...
Sigh.[/QUOTE]

"converting" to the town side?
more like convincing that Lag was not town, but i dont know if ceko has been convinced.

Originally Posted by Auwt

I don't give a crap anymore.
I'm going to follow my scumlist order then.
At least until ceko opens his mind...

-vote PQRnHack

PQR apparently succeeded in converting ceko...
Sigh.

"converting" to the town side?
more like convincing that Lag was not town, but i dont know if ceko has been convinced.

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION] dont forget to place your vote (hopefully on Varcron) in next 30 mins here. Otherwise, it's a random tiebreaker.

@theoneceko dont forget to place your vote (hopefully on Varcron) in next 30 mins here. Otherwise, it's a random tiebreaker.

Nothing further, your honor.

Nothing further, your honor.

[QUOTE=Frinckles;931820]I dont get it[/QUOTE]

Ozy may have done it subconsciously, but the player order is not alphabetical, also doesn't match first post roster. But it's got 2 mafia listed first, then 3 town.

Originally Posted by Frinckles

I dont get it

Ozy may have done it subconsciously, but the player order is not alphabetical, also doesn't match first post roster. But it's got 2 mafia listed first, then 3 town.

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION] a question exists: why would they (Lag/nowAuwt and Varcron) choose YOU to put the mislynch guess on as opposed to Frinckles or myself. I know some potential answers, but you can answer for yourself here.

@theoneceko a question exists: why would they (Lag/nowAuwt and Varcron) choose YOU to put the mislynch guess on as opposed to Frinckles or myself. I know some potential answers, but you can answer for yourself here.

Aye nice Easter egg by Ozy here
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Aye nice Easter egg by Ozy here

[QUOTE=Varcron;931804]You're trying to appear reasonable, but here's a few problems in this post

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Trying to appear helpful while in the process confusing and likely causing a town loss by lynching me over you.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Here you are now trying to appear like the helpful veteran, when in reality you've phrased it so that ceko can trust you and jump right into your pocket.[/COLOR]

[COLOR="#0000FF"]The problem is it isn't your choice, and just because YOUR opinion is that he is a shitty sheriff, personally I see him as a TPR put in a very shitty position having to choose between you, me, Auwt, and Frinckles for a lynch. That isn't easy nor does you telling him he's a bad sheriff help that process along.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Thanks for placing my own thoughts.

Originally Posted by Varcron

You're trying to appear reasonable, but here's a few problems in this post

Trying to appear helpful while in the process confusing and likely causing a town loss by lynching me over you.

Here you are now trying to appear like the helpful veteran, when in reality you've phrased it so that ceko can trust you and jump right into your pocket.

The problem is it isn't your choice, and just because YOUR opinion is that he is a shitty sheriff, personally I see him as a TPR put in a very shitty position having to choose between you, me, Auwt, and Frinckles for a lynch. That isn't easy nor does you telling him he's a bad sheriff help that process along.

Thanks for placing my own thoughts.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931802][B][SIZE=6][COLOR="#00FF00"]lag always town ;W;[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

I will speak truth: you are too attached to a universe, which does not exist. The scum are Auwt+Varcron.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

lag always town ;W;

I will speak truth: you are too attached to a universe, which does not exist. The scum are Auwt+Varcron.

[QUOTE=Varcron;931807]I don't really see any other valid pairing with Frinckles other than PQR/Frink or Auwt/Frink (because that'd be what we call bussing)[/QUOTE]

Shocker.

Originally Posted by Varcron

I don't really see any other valid pairing with Frinckles other than PQR/Frink or Auwt/Frink (because that'd be what we call bussing)

Shocker.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931802][B][SIZE=6][COLOR="#00FF00"]lag always town ;W;[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

If this is your belief, then we cannot win.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

lag always town ;W;

If this is your belief, then we cannot win.

Auwt just confirmed that he is battling Frinckles+PQR team, so I know the scum mafias are Auwt+Varcron. I directed my posts at Ceko, because I know he is our Sheriff and I WANT TO WIN!
But, as I said plenty times before, Ceko is kinda FUCKED! Ceko, in order to win, you probably have to go against your intuition. You still thing Lag was town. And I know this to be a fallacy. But from you POV i could be mafia saying this, hence the difficult decision.

Auwt just confirmed that he is battling Frinckles+PQR team, so I know the scum mafias are Auwt+Varcron. I directed my posts at Ceko, because I know he is our Sheriff and I WANT TO WIN!
But, as I said plenty times before, Ceko is kinda FUCKED! Ceko, in order to win, you probably have to go against your intuition. You still thing Lag was town. And I know this to be a fallacy. But from you POV i could be mafia saying this, hence the difficult decision.

[MENTION=29012]Auwt[/MENTION] where your vote at?

@Auwt where your vote at?

so my conclusion is Auwt's post was aimed at Ceko (what a shocker). Auwt already knows that neither I nor Frinckles accept it lol

so my conclusion is Auwt's post was aimed at Ceko (what a shocker). Auwt already knows that neither I nor Frinckles accept it lol

If @Awut means the team of Frinckles+PQR, that is exactly the fake scum pairing mafia want Ceko to believe. Both Frinkles and I know that it cannot be possible, but Ceko does not know. But why would we, LTCs, ever "suggest: such a false pairing? get outtta here

If @Awut means the team of Frinckles+PQR, that is exactly the fake scum pairing mafia want Ceko to believe. Both Frinkles and I know that it cannot be possible, but Ceko does not know. But why would we, LTCs, ever "suggest: such a false pairing? get outtta here

[QUOTE=Auwt;931788]Informed LTC?
Impossible combination?[/QUOTE]

Ah yes, the classic of "answering" a question with a question.
[QUOTE=Auwt;931785]... there is this Oberon shaky unconsistent slot alongside both PQR locking Frinckles town skipping possible bussing, and each one of them forgetting to mention a possible team. And to add even more, both voting the same person right now ?
[/QUOTE]

OK, tell me which "possible team" I failed to suggest. It was actually your buddy Varcron that committed this crime, but not I.
And [MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION] should know by now that it's a 2v2 (hard lines) and of course we will vote the same person as LTC teammates. but if you dont like that, I can vote you, Auwt, instead :)

Originally Posted by Auwt

Informed LTC?
Impossible combination?

Ah yes, the classic of "answering" a question with a question.

Originally Posted by Auwt

... there is this Oberon shaky unconsistent slot alongside both PQR locking Frinckles town skipping possible bussing, and each one of them forgetting to mention a possible team. And to add even more, both voting the same person right now ?

OK, tell me which "possible team" I failed to suggest. It was actually your buddy Varcron that committed this crime, but not I.
And @theoneceko should know by now that it's a 2v2 (hard lines) and of course we will vote the same person as LTC teammates. but if you dont like that, I can vote you, Auwt, instead

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION] grow some balls already, the game is solved

@theoneceko grow some balls already, the game is solved

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION] my [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48830-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=931584#post931584"]scenario post[/URL] proves important. Notice how Auwt is trying to swap it from scenario 1 to scenario 2 (where he offers up Varcron to earn cred).

I don't even get Auwt's "t makes way more sense than actually seeing how PQR reacted with Frinckles, locking him as LTC, both forgetting to consider the PQR/Frinckles team, and so on."

How can an informed LTC "forget" an impossible combination? Get outta here lol

@theoneceko my scenario post proves important. Notice how Auwt is trying to swap it from scenario 1 to scenario 2 (where he offers up Varcron to earn cred).

I don't even get Auwt's "t makes way more sense than actually seeing how PQR reacted with Frinckles, locking him as LTC, both forgetting to consider the PQR/Frinckles team, and so on."

How can an informed LTC "forget" an impossible combination? Get outta here lol

[QUOTE=Auwt;931782]And "our" plan would be to send Varcron to an exilee island to make sure there is no answer from him, and I could solo the game, right?
It makes way more sense than actually seeing how PQR reacted with Frinckles, locking him as LTC, both forgetting to consider the PQR/Frinckles team, and so on.
It hurts to read such things.[/QUOTE]

lol. GG bud

Originally Posted by Auwt

And "our" plan would be to send Varcron to an exilee island to make sure there is no answer from him, and I could solo the game, right?
It makes way more sense than actually seeing how PQR reacted with Frinckles, locking him as LTC, both forgetting to consider the PQR/Frinckles team, and so on.
It hurts to read such things.

lol. GG bud

here it is

[QUOTE=LagAttack;931469]scum team is Varcron + PQR ;w;

why else did Varcron hammer like that[/QUOTE]

here it is

Originally Posted by LagAttack

scum team is Varcron + PQR ;w;

why else did Varcron hammer like that

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931778][COLOR="#00FF00"]where ;W;[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

God damn it, CEO making me do work. OK let me check.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

where ;W;

God damn it, CEO making me do work. OK let me check.

I did an ISO review of all 5 remaining players and I'm pretty sure Lag/Varcron had an interaction that was bussing. I'd have to check though, my mental note is only that they had an interaction and that I had nothing worthy of defense to offer regarding my interactions with Oberon.

I did an ISO review of all 5 remaining players and I'm pretty sure Lag/Varcron had an interaction that was bussing. I'd have to check though, my mental note is only that they had an interaction and that I had nothing worthy of defense to offer regarding my interactions with Oberon.

Although I do recall that they did bus each other, as I remember noting that it's really just Oberon/myself who didnt do any "bussing" which paints us as scum. But I have enough info from my POV to know it's Auwt+Varcron. Sadly, you dont have enough from your POV, ceko.

Although I do recall that they did bus each other, as I remember noting that it's really just Oberon/myself who didnt do any "bussing" which paints us as scum. But I have enough info from my POV to know it's Auwt+Varcron. Sadly, you dont have enough from your POV, ceko.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931775]well, i'm pretty sure scum!auwt would not bus his partner.

so a varc and auwt team looks plausible[/QUOTE]

Wow you must be a Mensa member :)

Originally Posted by theoneceko

well, i'm pretty sure scum!auwt would not bus his partner.

so a varc and auwt team looks plausible

Wow you must be a Mensa member

So what happens is we lynch Varcron and tomorrow Auwt casts shade onto Frinckles. What a shocker. Auwt is the safest lynch today, but whatever.

So what happens is we lynch Varcron and tomorrow Auwt casts shade onto Frinckles. What a shocker. Auwt is the safest lynch today, but whatever.

Says the guy who rekt Blink lol
I am confident in my solve, I don't need to chill.

Says the guy who rekt Blink lol
I am confident in my solve, I don't need to chill.

I know I am
[vote]Varcron[/vote]

I know I am

-vote Varcron

I am still town, yes, Never been a scum in FM yet.

I am still town, yes, Never been a scum in FM yet.

I would like to think that I would play the same way as Scum, which is why your call is difficult, [MENTION=30176]theo[/MENTION]eceko

I would like to think that I would play the same way as Scum, which is why your call is difficult, @theo eceko

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931760][MENTION=12998]PQRnHack[/MENTION]

you never played as scum before , right?[/QUOTE]

The Court calls objection!

Originally Posted by theoneceko

@PQRnHack

you never played as scum before , right?

The Court calls objection!

And to clarify, when I mentioned ruling out pairs, I mean ruling out scum pairings (obv cant be town pairings, as there is only 1 town in them all, Frinckles).

And to clarify, when I mentioned ruling out pairs, I mean ruling out scum pairings (obv cant be town pairings, as there is only 1 town in them all, Frinckles).

Correction: he does have the knowledge that I am LTC lol :D

Correction: he does have the knowledge that I am LTC lol

[QUOTE=Auwt;931754]Oh so I would have expected a self-person to just remove the pairing where this self-person is present.
But you are making a step further by adding this?
You must have a knowledge I don't or will you claim this is just a gambit/gut ?[/QUOTE]

Yup, I have knowledge that you dont: I am LTC, which means only 1 of Auwt/Frinckles/Varcron is LTC. Frinckles/Auwt is ruled out based on Oberon actions D1 and vote staying on Lag slot. Frinckles/Varcron is ruled out based on D2 hard vote.

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION], only you need to interpret this, because I already know the bullshit

Originally Posted by Auwt

Oh so I would have expected a self-person to just remove the pairing where this self-person is present.
But you are making a step further by adding this?
You must have a knowledge I don't or will you claim this is just a gambit/gut ?

Yup, I have knowledge that you dont: I am LTC, which means only 1 of Auwt/Frinckles/Varcron is LTC. Frinckles/Auwt is ruled out based on Oberon actions D1 and vote staying on Lag slot. Frinckles/Varcron is ruled out based on D2 hard vote.

@theoneceko , only you need to interpret this, because I already know the bullshit

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931753][COLOR="#00FF00"]this is more to defend auwt, but u have been the only one actively trying to get me to see things your way.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I was a bit trolly D1 with my fake SHeriff claim (along with breadcrumbs, which Varcron correctly identified - easy for mafia).
Now I am wearing big boy pants and we must win this. You must reach the realization that mafias are Auwt+Varcron. I hope you acknowledge that either Auwt+varcron are aiming to fool you or Frinckles+I are doing so. It's a 2v2 thunder.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

this is more to defend auwt, but u have been the only one actively trying to get me to see things your way.

I was a bit trolly D1 with my fake SHeriff claim (along with breadcrumbs, which Varcron correctly identified - easy for mafia).
Now I am wearing big boy pants and we must win this. You must reach the realization that mafias are Auwt+Varcron. I hope you acknowledge that either Auwt+varcron are aiming to fool you or Frinckles+I are doing so. It's a 2v2 thunder.

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931749][COLOR="#FFA500"]+scumpoints [B][SIZE=6];W;[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

IDK if you are trolling. But if serious, then I direct you to:

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48830-S-FM-328-Lazy-(6P)?p=931075#post931075[/url]

Originally Posted by theoneceko

+scumpoints ;W;

IDK if you are trolling. But if serious, then I direct you to:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...075#post931075

[QUOTE=theoneceko;931749][COLOR="#FFA500"]+scumpoints [B][SIZE=6];W;[/SIZE][/B][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Stop trying to find opportunities to lose :(

Originally Posted by theoneceko

+scumpoints ;W;

Stop trying to find opportunities to lose

[QUOTE=Auwt;931747]To make you understand that giving an almost full town credibility to someone other than ceko in this exact case, cannot be considered pro-town at all.
You are either scum or hard gambling right there.

[SIZE=3][SPOILER="+"]

[SIZE=1]Especially in a lylo situation.....[/SIZE]

[/SPOILER]
[/SIZE][/QUOTE]

Load of BS. I know Varcron is not team with Frinckles based on votes. So remaining options Auwt+Frinckles or Auwt+Varcron. What a genius statement, guess why I said Auwt is the safest lynch?

Originally Posted by Auwt

To make you understand that giving an almost full town credibility to someone other than ceko in this exact case, cannot be considered pro-town at all.
You are either scum or hard gambling right there.

Spoiler : + :

Especially in a lylo situation.....

Load of BS. I know Varcron is not team with Frinckles based on votes. So remaining options Auwt+Frinckles or Auwt+Varcron. What a genius statement, guess why I said Auwt is the safest lynch?

[MENTION=39849]theoneceko[/MENTION]: simple question (but again, you will mastermind that I would do this as Mafia, which I WOULD): who is trying to hold the line here? I want us to win!

@theoneceko : simple question (but again, you will mastermind that I would do this as Mafia, which I WOULD): who is trying to hold the line here? I want us to win!

probs bad English: yes I CLAIM that I am LTC and I am confident that so is Frinckles (remove "will" claim). I do claim.

probs bad English: yes I CLAIM that I am LTC and I am confident that so is Frinckles (remove "will" claim). I do claim.

I will guess at what Auwt was trying to induce here: for me to hard-claim that Frinckles and I are LTC. Yes, I hard claim that.

I will guess at what Auwt was trying to induce here: for me to hard-claim that Frinckles and I are LTC. Yes, I hard claim that.

[QUOTE=Auwt;931741][COLOR=#add8e6]I mean you use question mark and a "Tell me" formula so uh.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

I mean you are mafia and you don't give a shit what Frinckles or I think of you, because your strat is to fool Ceko. So uh.

Originally Posted by Auwt

I mean you use question mark and a "Tell me" formula so uh.

I mean you are mafia and you don't give a shit what Frinckles or I think of you, because your strat is to fool Ceko. So uh.

[QUOTE=Auwt;931739]So we are going from :

[B][COLOR=#add8e6][I]I am LTC and we win together, along with Frinckles.[/I][/COLOR]


[/B]to :

[I][COLOR=#add8e6][B]But I am 90% sure Frinckles is our other LTC here.[/B][/COLOR][/I][/QUOTE]

Frinckles and I are both LTC's (90% is what I said, barring the wild case of Frinckles+Varcron team, which is frankly lower than the 10% so I should revise that to like 95). What are you trying to say here? Maybe you are slow on catching up on the setup, but Frinckles and I are two LTCs and Ceko is Sheriff.

Originally Posted by Auwt

So we are going from :

I am LTC and we win together, along with Frinckles.


to :

But I am 90% sure Frinckles is our other LTC here.

Frinckles and I are both LTC's (90% is what I said, barring the wild case of Frinckles+Varcron team, which is frankly lower than the 10% so I should revise that to like 95). What are you trying to say here? Maybe you are slow on catching up on the setup, but Frinckles and I are two LTCs and Ceko is Sheriff.