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RANDUMB LYNCH!!! my approach

RANDUMB LYNCH!!! my approach

[QUOTE=SuperJack;922741]Wait it's your first time? That's extremely impressive then.
All that's left to do is GET YOURSELF A DAMN AVATAR[/QUOTE]

2nd time, if i remember correctly. From what I remember, I played one a few years back and was killed either N1 or first lynchable day. So my virginity did not get fully popped.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

Wait it's your first time? That's extremely impressive then.
All that's left to do is GET YOURSELF A DAMN AVATAR

2nd time, if i remember correctly. From what I remember, I played one a few years back and was killed either N1 or first lynchable day. So my virginity did not get fully popped.

WP everyone and congrats to Oberon, Ozy, and Super.
Way to introduce a newbie to FM. I'm going back to sc2maf and solitaire :)

















jk this was fun, but difficult. I don't know about publicly revealing all my thoughts though (and i was town). I want to hold some theories back, especially if I want Mafia to take a certain action (like leave me alive for later so that I can possibly later expose one of them via Ornament). So I don't necessarily want to publicly call out all my suspects (especially if I were to be right) as they might choose to keep a different player with more doubts alive.

It did cross my mind that Ozy could be scum, he was a bit too forthcoming with calling me a clear townie.

I also struggled with the AFKs/subs in early game as that made it impossible to make reads on those, and given no mechanics or LWs for town first couple nights (except Carol), there was not much to go on.

I did get fooled by Superjack and 4 others(that happened to be town/neut) voting on Oberon at some point during first couple days. Had a hard time picturing Oberon as mafia after that. Superjack voted on Frostbyte/Ozy as well. I guess that's what bussing is, and that was enough to introduce uncertainties to my judgments.

Not sure how to discern between town vs maf false-claims. OFC I knew Helz made it up about being Ornamentalist when he ended D3. So with these kind of claims, Baker-Caroler, Oberon-Caroler, can't really put that much weight into reading the false-claims from my seat.

Looking forward to next one.

WP everyone and congrats to Oberon, Ozy, and Super.
Way to introduce a newbie to FM. I'm going back to sc2maf and solitaire

















jk this was fun, but difficult. I don't know about publicly revealing all my thoughts though (and i was town). I want to hold some theories back, especially if I want Mafia to take a certain action (like leave me alive for later so that I can possibly later expose one of them via Ornament). So I don't necessarily want to publicly call out all my suspects (especially if I were to be right) as they might choose to keep a different player with more doubts alive.

It did cross my mind that Ozy could be scum, he was a bit too forthcoming with calling me a clear townie.

I also struggled with the AFKs/subs in early game as that made it impossible to make reads on those, and given no mechanics or LWs for town first couple nights (except Carol), there was not much to go on.

I did get fooled by Superjack and 4 others(that happened to be town/neut) voting on Oberon at some point during first couple days. Had a hard time picturing Oberon as mafia after that. Superjack voted on Frostbyte/Ozy as well. I guess that's what bussing is, and that was enough to introduce uncertainties to my judgments.

Not sure how to discern between town vs maf false-claims. OFC I knew Helz made it up about being Ornamentalist when he ended D3. So with these kind of claims, Baker-Caroler, Oberon-Caroler, can't really put that much weight into reading the false-claims from my seat.

Looking forward to next one.

OK if I'm wrong, then at least we can end this quickly.

[vote]Renegade[/vote]

OK if I'm wrong, then at least we can end this quickly.

-vote Renegade

still 27 hours left for [MENTION=45595]Oberon[/MENTION] to rejoin our Holiday Party

still 27 hours left for @Oberon to rejoin our Holiday Party

[QUOTE=SuperJack;922605]Why are you not getting involved?[/QUOTE]

Let's just say, I like... to watch

Originally Posted by SuperJack

Why are you not getting involved?

Let's just say, I like... to watch

I am here, enjoying my popcorn and vino rosso

I am here, enjoying my popcorn and vino rosso

[QUOTE=SuperJack;922572]What if
Mike=Heartbreaker joined with Blink.
Lover is ??? But joined with Heartbreaker Mike.
Light is paired with Blink.[/QUOTE]

Come on, at least make it more interesting:
Mike=Heartbreaker joined with Blink.
Lover is [B][COLOR="#FFFF00"]Blink[/COLOR][/B] But joined with Heartbreaker Mike.

Originally Posted by SuperJack

What if
Mike=Heartbreaker joined with Blink.
Lover is ??? But joined with Heartbreaker Mike.
Light is paired with Blink.

Come on, at least make it more interesting:
Mike=Heartbreaker joined with Blink.
Lover is Blink But joined with Heartbreaker Mike.

[QUOTE=Mike;922554]The carol is 100% real.

Look at it logicly.

If Blink was Mafia Game over.
Light has to vote with blink for his win con
I have to vote with Blink for my win con.
If blink is mafia that means Blink would have 2 partners that is 3 votes.
3+2=5 votes to lynch So

Blink is Confirmed Town. Or else Mafia would just turbo lynch anyone but Me light and his partners. GG game over.

If you cant see that you just might be Mafia.[/QUOTE]

I am aware and i already said in an earlier post that we must assume Blink is town or else GG. What I am asking here is even with Blink as town, you may have faked the Carol to protect Blink (e.g., if Blink was one of the up-to-2 Town members in the Carol). So just asking if you need to revise what you said or not (in case you subbed Blink's name with someone else's to prevent TownBlink from getting lynched under suspicion of being maf or something)

Originally Posted by Mike

The carol is 100% real.

Look at it logicly.

If Blink was Mafia Game over.
Light has to vote with blink for his win con
I have to vote with Blink for my win con.
If blink is mafia that means Blink would have 2 partners that is 3 votes.
3+2=5 votes to lynch So

Blink is Confirmed Town. Or else Mafia would just turbo lynch anyone but Me light and his partners. GG game over.

If you cant see that you just might be Mafia.

I am aware and i already said in an earlier post that we must assume Blink is town or else GG. What I am asking here is even with Blink as town, you may have faked the Carol to protect Blink (e.g., if Blink was one of the up-to-2 Town members in the Carol). So just asking if you need to revise what you said or not (in case you subbed Blink's name with someone else's to prevent TownBlink from getting lynched under suspicion of being maf or something)

[QUOTE=SuperJack;922526]I'm scum for not wanting to lynch you and instead lynch other Mafia?
That makes sense. /s
Do you want to be lynched?[/QUOTE]

You and Rene are sounding like bussing each other. Would explain why Rene is "100%" certain SJ is scum and I see irony in SJ saying "[B]I'm scum[/B] for not wanting to lynch you and instead lynch [B]other[/B] Mafia?" (emphasis is my own)

Originally Posted by SuperJack

I'm scum for not wanting to lynch you and instead lynch other Mafia?
That makes sense. /s
Do you want to be lynched?

You and Rene are sounding like bussing each other. Would explain why Rene is "100%" certain SJ is scum and I see irony in SJ saying "I'm scum for not wanting to lynch you and instead lynch other Mafia?" (emphasis is my own)

[QUOTE=bakermir;922504]who is mafia PQR? can you give us a list mate[/QUOTE]

oi wanka idk what im doing, i already sent my list of suspects yesterday

Originally Posted by bakermir

who is mafia PQR? can you give us a list mate

oi wanka idk what im doing, i already sent my list of suspects yesterday

[QUOTE=bakermir;922451]caroler N1 MM | N2 Mike | N3 blink
Ornamentalist N1 Light | N2 blink | N3 SuperJack
Patron N1 no feedback | N2 no feedback | N3 no feedback
Listmaker N1 auwt-varcron same | N2 helz-varcron same | N3 no feedback



blink + yagami/mike > if blink is maf they basically control 5 votes today and the game would have been over so he is town unless they are slowrolling and if thats the case[U][B][SIZE=5] please end the game..[/SIZE][/B][/U]




my poe Oberon/SJ today and tomorrow and third day Renegade/Ozy/PQR whoever is alive I guess[/QUOTE]

Plot twist: Baker is Mafia and just gave us his 4 choices of fake LWs to taunt us :)

Originally Posted by bakermir

caroler N1 MM | N2 Mike | N3 blink
Ornamentalist N1 Light | N2 blink | N3 SuperJack
Patron N1 no feedback | N2 no feedback | N3 no feedback
Listmaker N1 auwt-varcron same | N2 helz-varcron same | N3 no feedback



blink + yagami/mike > if blink is maf they basically control 5 votes today and the game would have been over so he is town unless they are slowrolling and if thats the case please end the game..




my poe Oberon/SJ today and tomorrow and third day Renegade/Ozy/PQR whoever is alive I guess

Plot twist: Baker is Mafia and just gave us his 4 choices of fake LWs to taunt us

[QUOTE=blinkskater;922406]They don't know that they're sleepwalker.

That only shows upon flip.[/QUOTE]

You ruining my tricks just like I am ruining yours haha

Originally Posted by blinkskater

They don't know that they're sleepwalker.

That only shows upon flip.

You ruining my tricks just like I am ruining yours haha

Man [MENTION=28400]blinkskater[/MENTION] you got me all confused with your angels and lovers. I guess LY is boned.
"You win if your target survives until the end of the game, regardless of whether they win."

Man @blinkskater you got me all confused with your angels and lovers. I guess LY is boned.
"You win if your target survives until the end of the game, regardless of whether they win."

Anyone wish to claim Sleepwalker on the off-chance that Varcron was Actress?

Anyone wish to claim Sleepwalker on the off-chance that Varcron was Actress?

[QUOTE=Light_Yagami;922395]Blink You Realize If U Die.. I Auto Lose..[/QUOTE]

Not true: "Your win condition is your lover's."

Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Blink You Realize If U Die.. I Auto Lose..

Not true: "Your win condition is your lover's."

[QUOTE=blinkskater;922393]If you guys follow my POE that I will leave in my LW, I assure you it will result in a town + neutrals victory. There will be 3 players left at the end of the game.

baker/oberon/ozy/ or you.[/QUOTE]

Who is "you"? I dont see in the player list.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

If you guys follow my POE that I will leave in my LW, I assure you it will result in a town + neutrals victory. There will be 3 players left at the end of the game.

baker/oberon/ozy/ or you.

Who is "you"? I dont see in the player list.

Anyway I want to hear more from Bakermir, since he claimed to be Caroler.

Anyway I want to hear more from Bakermir, since he claimed to be Caroler.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;922387]I mean to say Lover lol

Yagami's the angel[/QUOTE]

Yea same thing w/e, i am not good at remembering those 2 roles and which one is which.

I never suggested Auwt was a neut. I said he may have been the Caroler.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

I mean to say Lover lol

Yagami's the angel

Yea same thing w/e, i am not good at remembering those 2 roles and which one is which.

I never suggested Auwt was a neut. I said he may have been the Caroler.

[QUOTE=blinkskater;922384]PQR you need to understand that the real Angel would have CC'D Mike. It is mechanically impossible for AUWT to have been the angel because two people would have died. This means Mike at this point in time is mechanically confirmed to be Angel.[/QUOTE]

I am well aware of that. Your statement does not contradict mine, maybe you misread something. I was simply stating that I must assume Mike's (Angel's) target is Town. If their target is Mafia, then town is donezo.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

PQR you need to understand that the real Angel would have CC'D Mike. It is mechanically impossible for AUWT to have been the angel because two people would have died. This means Mike at this point in time is mechanically confirmed to be Angel.

I am well aware of that. Your statement does not contradict mine, maybe you misread something. I was simply stating that I must assume Mike's (Angel's) target is Town. If their target is Mafia, then town is donezo.

[MENTION=45327]bakermir[/MENTION] you still claiming Caroler? Enlighten us about n1 n3

@bakermir you still claiming Caroler? Enlighten us about n1 n3

[QUOTE=Renegade;922376]He did vote Varcron here though.

It is a moot point because I know 100% he is scum.[/QUOTE]

How do you know with 100% certainty? What if Varcron was Actress? What if Mike falsified the Carol to protect Blink/his target?

[MENTION=27614]Mike[/MENTION] we know that if Blink had appeared in the Carol, you would have substituted his name with someone else's. Do you have any revisions to make for us, or are you sticking to Carol stating Varcron, SJ, Rene? I have to trust you and Blink at this point, because if Blink is Mafia whom you are protecting, then we are boned anyway.

I did not receive a Carol :( As Blink said, maybe they know who Caroler is and Consort is RBing. Or maybe Caroler is dead (Auwt).

Originally Posted by Renegade

He did vote Varcron here though.

It is a moot point because I know 100% he is scum.

How do you know with 100% certainty? What if Varcron was Actress? What if Mike falsified the Carol to protect Blink/his target?

@Mike we know that if Blink had appeared in the Carol, you would have substituted his name with someone else's. Do you have any revisions to make for us, or are you sticking to Carol stating Varcron, SJ, Rene? I have to trust you and Blink at this point, because if Blink is Mafia whom you are protecting, then we are boned anyway.

I did not receive a Carol As Blink said, maybe they know who Caroler is and Consort is RBing. Or maybe Caroler is dead (Auwt).

Stand off on Bakermir, let him pick his own intelligently-picked target tonight and get him to reveal D4. However, keep in mind the possibility of mafia partner "confirming" carol from a mafia-faked Caroler.

Stand off on Bakermir, let him pick his own intelligently-picked target tonight and get him to reveal D4. However, keep in mind the possibility of mafia partner "confirming" carol from a mafia-faked Caroler.

[QUOTE=Mike;922288]If awut was Caroler Awut was Cleaned if baker is the cleaner he could easy fake claim that role today.

Is it as easy as varcron baker and Oberon mafia team?[/QUOTE]

And as per my earlier post, don't forget that it's possible Actress found Auwt N1, in which case all 3 mafia had the opportunity to learn of Auwt's role during N2 discussion, so even other Mafia roles could fake-claim here.

Originally Posted by Mike

If awut was Caroler Awut was Cleaned if baker is the cleaner he could easy fake claim that role today.

Is it as easy as varcron baker and Oberon mafia team?

And as per my earlier post, don't forget that it's possible Actress found Auwt N1, in which case all 3 mafia had the opportunity to learn of Auwt's role during N2 discussion, so even other Mafia roles could fake-claim here.

Just as a reminder to all: it is possible that Auwt's role was discovered by Actress N1 and gave all 3 Mafia the opportunity to discuss the situation N2 prior to choosing for Janitor to off Auwt. All I want to say here is that any one of 3 mafia roles could have chosen to claim whatever Auwt's role was (e.g., Caroler). We need D4 Caroler check for sure.

Just as a reminder to all: it is possible that Auwt's role was discovered by Actress N1 and gave all 3 Mafia the opportunity to discuss the situation N2 prior to choosing for Janitor to off Auwt. All I want to say here is that any one of 3 mafia roles could have chosen to claim whatever Auwt's role was (e.g., Caroler). We need D4 Caroler check for sure.

[QUOTE=Varcron;922227]You're okay, I went off the deep end for no reason there

I'll release an apology for derailing the game whenever it ends, as it was my fault we went off course for ~30 minutes.[/QUOTE]

No apology needed, it was not you, it was me. And I also apologize to the hosts and players. It was entirely my fuck up. I was looking for the post with 2 statements, completely spacing out that it was 2 statements in a post of like 8 or so statements. And as I did ISO search, I totally skipped over the same-numbered post all along. This morning I woke up with a fresh (and sober) mind and I was like wow, I'm a dipshit and a moron. My bad lol. In return for my mistake, I will vote for you in this upcoming election that ends in a couple hours.

Originally Posted by Varcron

You're okay, I went off the deep end for no reason there

I'll release an apology for derailing the game whenever it ends, as it was my fault we went off course for ~30 minutes.

No apology needed, it was not you, it was me. And I also apologize to the hosts and players. It was entirely my fuck up. I was looking for the post with 2 statements, completely spacing out that it was 2 statements in a post of like 8 or so statements. And as I did ISO search, I totally skipped over the same-numbered post all along. This morning I woke up with a fresh (and sober) mind and I was like wow, I'm a dipshit and a moron. My bad lol. In return for my mistake, I will vote for you in this upcoming election that ends in a couple hours.

[QUOTE=Helz;922213]He looked [SIZE=5][COLOR="#0000FF"][I]Frozen[/I][/COLOR][/SIZE] for a bit there but it looks like he gave up and left.[/QUOTE]

must be frost bite

Originally Posted by Helz

He looked Frozen for a bit there but it looks like he gave up and left.

must be frost bite

[QUOTE=Renegade;922198]If the team is Varcron/Oberon then my predictions for the third are Helz, PQRnHack, SJ in that order.[/QUOTE]

Wonder if Rene might make such a statement in a case where the team is Varcron/Oberon/Rene himself

Originally Posted by Renegade

If the team is Varcron/Oberon then my predictions for the third are Helz, PQRnHack, SJ in that order.

Wonder if Rene might make such a statement in a case where the team is Varcron/Oberon/Rene himself

Mafia candidates on my list (strictly in alphabetical order): Baker, Helz, Oberon, Superjack, Renegade, Varcron. I hope Baker can confirm caroling tomorrow. And I think we all know that some of the players on this list are mutually exclusive (if X is maf, then Y is not likely to be Maf).

Mafia candidates on my list (strictly in alphabetical order): Baker, Helz, Oberon, Superjack, Renegade, Varcron. I hope Baker can confirm caroling tomorrow. And I think we all know that some of the players on this list are mutually exclusive (if X is maf, then Y is not likely to be Maf).

[QUOTE=Renegade;922198]If the team is Varcron/Oberon then my predictions for the third are Helz, PQRnHack, SJ in that order.[/QUOTE]

Including me on that list when I voted to lynch Varcron (and briefly Oberon during his Carol stint)?

Originally Posted by Renegade

If the team is Varcron/Oberon then my predictions for the third are Helz, PQRnHack, SJ in that order.

Including me on that list when I voted to lynch Varcron (and briefly Oberon during his Carol stint)?

[MENTION=8508]SuperJack[/MENTION]
Motives - not always based on reads, could be based on mechanics such as Actress finding an important role to take out N2 and in later nights

I don't have much of a read on either you or Rene at this point. Both mostly behind the scenes, no red flags that I could see. Both voted on Oberon at some point. Both of you are also on the Carol list in addition to Varcron.

@SuperJack
Motives - not always based on reads, could be based on mechanics such as Actress finding an important role to take out N2 and in later nights

I don't have much of a read on either you or Rene at this point. Both mostly behind the scenes, no red flags that I could see. Both voted on Oberon at some point. Both of you are also on the Carol list in addition to Varcron.

OK I apologize, I stand corrected on the missing post. There is nothing missing, I intended to reply to these 2 statements by Varcron made in his longer post. My bad. In my original reply, I was trying to quote only a subset of the original post and for some reason it would not publish, then I refreshed and somehow forgot that it was 2 statements @bottom of post and not standalone. Please accept my sincere apology for the false accusation, [MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION]

OK I apologize, I stand corrected on the missing post. There is nothing missing, I intended to reply to these 2 statements by Varcron made in his longer post. My bad. In my original reply, I was trying to quote only a subset of the original post and for some reason it would not publish, then I refreshed and somehow forgot that it was 2 statements @bottom of post and not standalone. Please accept my sincere apology for the false accusation, @Varcron

[MENTION=45595]Oberon[/MENTION] if you gucci, where is your vote on Varcron?

@Oberon if you gucci, where is your vote on Varcron?

[QUOTE=blinkskater;922087]I can tell you if the post doesn't say edited, you're tripping balls[/QUOTE]

The curse of being a newb. People don't believe me :( I am not a moron or a liar.

Originally Posted by blinkskater

I can tell you if the post doesn't say edited, you're tripping balls

The curse of being a newb. People don't believe me I am not a moron or a liar.

Then in case I made a mistake (like on wrong page, which I know i wasn't on) in which it was specifically stated 2 things: 1) we should not go after CC'ers, 2) uhhh lets research Oberon and Bakermir.

I am not tripping balls. Let me know if you find this post.

Then in case I made a mistake (like on wrong page, which I know i wasn't on) in which it was specifically stated 2 things: 1) we should not go after CC'ers, 2) uhhh lets research Oberon and Bakermir.

I am not tripping balls. Let me know if you find this post.

Good read, Blink. We need town on Varcron, please.

Good read, Blink. We need town on Varcron, please.

I think the post got deleted. Explains why I was unable to post my reply.

I think the post got deleted. Explains why I was unable to post my reply.

[MENTION=28400]blinkskater[/MENTION] so what do you think, am i tripping my balls or who the hell edited Varcron's post? Or did i see a draft somehow?

@blinkskater so what do you think, am i tripping my balls or who the hell edited Varcron's post? Or did i see a draft somehow?

Doc on blink

Doc on blink

More like a decision-maker than just informative. We can't fuck this up.

More like a decision-maker than just informative. We can't fuck this up.

Just vote Varcron to win :)

Just vote Varcron to win

[QUOTE=Mike;922066]I do not need to live to win. My win con becomes my lovers win con. So since Blink is town my win con is Towns win con.[/QUOTE]

Nice, i got u bud <3

Originally Posted by Mike

I do not need to live to win. My win con becomes my lovers win con. So since Blink is town my win con is Towns win con.

Nice, i got u bud <3

Stop baiting the doc ;) It's not me

Stop baiting the doc ;) It's not me

I can't drop what I saw. Why don't you drop it? I am not a lunatic. I aimed to address sentences #1 and #2 (of 2 total). I chose to only comment on #1. I stand by what I observed and said.

I can't drop what I saw. Why don't you drop it? I am not a lunatic. I aimed to address sentences #1 and #2 (of 2 total). I chose to only comment on #1. I stand by what I observed and said.

i think it was deleted cuz i was unable to post my reply initally.

i think it was deleted cuz i was unable to post my reply initally.

Question to all: is there a legit way to alter a post that is not illegal?

Question to all: is there a legit way to alter a post that is not illegal?

I know what i saw, and what you see now is NOT what was there before! Like I said, people will push that im a numbnuts.

I know what i saw, and what you see now is NOT what was there before! Like I said, people will push that im a numbnuts.

I am confident Varcron is a Mafi. We need to take decisive action, please.

I am confident Varcron is a Mafi. We need to take decisive action, please.

My vote will stay on Varcron. If town has any chance to win, I think this is the play. Sadly now my credibility has been compromised because I am viewed as making shit up about a post that got edited/replaced. Tough call for the rest. Maf will possibly push that I am out of my mind or high and seeing things. I cannot explain it, but I saw what I saw. I am pursuing further with higher-level admin.

My vote will stay on Varcron. If town has any chance to win, I think this is the play. Sadly now my credibility has been compromised because I am viewed as making shit up about a post that got edited/replaced. Tough call for the rest. Maf will possibly push that I am out of my mind or high and seeing things. I cannot explain it, but I saw what I saw. I am pursuing further with higher-level admin.

[MENTION=30663]OzyWho[/MENTION] it was a joke, since many are claiming Caroler ;)

@OzyWho it was a joke, since many are claiming Caroler ;)