I particularly liked how every time players had issues with etch other everyone was quick to apologize and move on. Made for a very pleasant game environment.
Well played guys, I had a lot of fun.
I particularly liked how every time players had issues with etch other everyone was quick to apologize and move on. Made for a very pleasant game environment.
[QUOTE=blinkskater;922713]The thing with me is, when I'm town or scum my presence is super strong, and players have such strong opinions either town or scum, it always makes me a pivotal player..
This game I did sheep votes instead of lynching on my agenda. I went with Varcron cuz I trusted PQR, and I went with Renegade because I trusted in helz's LW.
Also want to note I thought baker was scum and had paired renegade with him, helz LW made SJ fit on that 3 scum team for me[/QUOTE]
That last will was some dead on shit though : )
Originally Posted by blinkskater
The thing with me is, when I'm town or scum my presence is super strong, and players have such strong opinions either town or scum, it always makes me a pivotal player..
This game I did sheep votes instead of lynching on my agenda. I went with Varcron cuz I trusted PQR, and I went with Renegade because I trusted in helz's LW.
Also want to note I thought baker was scum and had paired renegade with him, helz LW made SJ fit on that 3 scum team for me
You guys remember the start of today where I kept talking about our other PR being an Ornamentalist... Thats because I am one : )
I am revealing this because im like 1000% the kill choice with the doc likely obligated on Mike to force the Mafia to choose between giving the town a peek and leaving me alive. Thats two very dangerous options and I feel like being greedy and opening a potential for me to play D5 : )
[VOTE]Varcron[/VOTE]
Also- I am gona do something rather selfish..
You guys remember the start of today where I kept talking about our other PR being an Ornamentalist... Thats because I am one : )
I am revealing this because im like 1000% the kill choice with the doc likely obligated on Mike to force the Mafia to choose between giving the town a peek and leaving me alive. Thats two very dangerous options and I feel like being greedy and opening a potential for me to play D5 : )
I really do not understand the Baker focus. There are so much more likely scum and people are talking as if they are considering a lynch tomorrow on the very likely TPR who slipped hard uninformed D1 with a massive misunderstanding on scum roles no mafia would ever have.
For him to be scum that would have had to be a puppet show which I really do not see as a potential. Everyone should really chill on Baker.
I really do not understand the Baker focus. There are so much more likely scum and people are talking as if they are considering a lynch tomorrow on the very likely TPR who slipped hard uninformed D1 with a massive misunderstanding on scum roles no mafia would ever have.
For him to be scum that would have had to be a puppet show which I really do not see as a potential. Everyone should really chill on Baker.
[QUOTE=blinkskater;922274]I did notice a few times during day 2 where baker defended varcron quite vocally after suspicions were directed at varcron and votes were placed on him.
Before those defenses baker had varcron marked down as "could be anything"
Then there was that EOD vote switch to force the 50/50[/QUOTE]
Given that I am the logical kill tonight please remember tomorrow that with everything I am I really think Baker is not a priority. I had him as slip town even before he had an un cc'ed TPR claim going for him.
Originally Posted by blinkskater
I did notice a few times during day 2 where baker defended varcron quite vocally after suspicions were directed at varcron and votes were placed on him.
Before those defenses baker had varcron marked down as "could be anything"
Then there was that EOD vote switch to force the 50/50
Given that I am the logical kill tonight please remember tomorrow that with everything I am I really think Baker is not a priority. I had him as slip town even before he had an un cc'ed TPR claim going for him.
[QUOTE=SuperJack;922272]As I thought. I've done it before. You always tend to find that when kind to others, they end up sending it back to you.
You have to judge weather or not your target knows what you are attempting to do. A clever scum would do their best to give you the most corrupted opinions they can give without being caught.
Do you craft your posts purposely to resonate with specific people, targeting their pinpoints to try and get a more Emotional response? As rash reactions tend to be either the most honest, or the least thought out.[/QUOTE]I do in some ways usually appealing to their style of scum hunting. There was a time when I would play with peoples pressure points getting under their skin and getting them worked up but although it was useful I found I don't ever want to do that. It just spoils the fun and can ruin that persons day. The game is just not worth that to me and I dislike when I make it a toxic experience for someone.
Its also not like.. ultra useful. I feel like theres plenty of other subtle tricks that work as well or better without pissing people off.
Originally Posted by SuperJack
As I thought. I've done it before. You always tend to find that when kind to others, they end up sending it back to you.
You have to judge weather or not your target knows what you are attempting to do. A clever scum would do their best to give you the most corrupted opinions they can give without being caught.
Do you craft your posts purposely to resonate with specific people, targeting their pinpoints to try and get a more Emotional response? As rash reactions tend to be either the most honest, or the least thought out.
I do in some ways usually appealing to their style of scum hunting. There was a time when I would play with peoples pressure points getting under their skin and getting them worked up but although it was useful I found I don't ever want to do that. It just spoils the fun and can ruin that persons day. The game is just not worth that to me and I dislike when I make it a toxic experience for someone.
Its also not like.. ultra useful. I feel like theres plenty of other subtle tricks that work as well or better without pissing people off.
[QUOTE=Varcron;922264]Likely at least two scum voting me, keep that in mind when I flip.[/QUOTE]
I hope you are wrong because my reads are awful if you are right and really are town >.<
Originally Posted by Varcron
Likely at least two scum voting me, keep that in mind when I flip.
I hope you are wrong because my reads are awful if you are right and really are town >.<
[QUOTE=Varcron;922254]Options which will likely not happen.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, First thing I did was evaluate if I really would push against your lynch and I figured out I couldn't justify doing as much. Im confident I would have pushed on Renegade in that situation though.
Sorry for the subtle psychological manipulation. I kinda do it without thinking at this point to be honest.
Originally Posted by Varcron
Options which will likely not happen.
Yeah, First thing I did was evaluate if I really would push against your lynch and I figured out I couldn't justify doing as much. Im confident I would have pushed on Renegade in that situation though.
Sorry for the subtle psychological manipulation. I kinda do it without thinking at this point to be honest.
[QUOTE=SuperJack;922245]Am I correct that only Bake has claim to of given out a Carol? And that target was milk? And no one has claimed to given Oberon a prayer?[/QUOTE]
A far as my understanding yes (assuming you mean Mike)[QUOTE=SuperJack;922247]Who did Bake Target N1? There is a good chance they are scum if it never went through.[/QUOTE]They said they targeted MM
Originally Posted by SuperJack
Am I correct that only Bake has claim to of given out a Carol? And that target was milk? And no one has claimed to given Oberon a prayer?
A far as my understanding yes (assuming you mean Mike)
Originally Posted by SuperJack
Who did Bake Target N1? There is a good chance they are scum if it never went through.
[QUOTE=Helz;922251]Anything a player says holds value post-flip. Slightly less so in a game with an Actor but one significant town indicator I have found is in line with motivation. When someone is going to get lynched I am much more comfortable with their lynch when I see them exclusively focus on survival. I have found town are more prone to want to push their reads especially when I put it on their mind that their flip will add weight to what they say.
Me being nice psychologically is part of the "Mutt and Jeff" technique of interrogation (more commonly known as good cop bad cop.) It builds trust with a suspect leveraging their primal desire for protection from a threat making them more cooperative and fostering a desire for the suspect to please the 'Good cop.'
I could probably ramble on quite a bit on this subject but its part of something I worked on last two years where I started studying professional interrogation techniques to use their parallel in mafia games. In this specific situation I am triangulating reads with because I do not really scum read him and I want his perspective on my reads to help me avoid letting a wolf out of my PoE. From what he has said though his voiced positioning of PQrNHack over anyone else could represent a gap between his portrayed read and his reasoning which has made me slightly more comfortable with the lynch.[/QUOTE]Forgot to say it but the 'Bad cop' is the players stacking votes on him to lynch him while I stepped in as the 'good cop' poking at alternative lynch options to leverage a potential for survival while sympathizing with his position and being kind..
Originally Posted by Helz
Anything a player says holds value post-flip. Slightly less so in a game with an Actor but one significant town indicator I have found is in line with motivation. When someone is going to get lynched I am much more comfortable with their lynch when I see them exclusively focus on survival. I have found town are more prone to want to push their reads especially when I put it on their mind that their flip will add weight to what they say.
Me being nice psychologically is part of the "Mutt and Jeff" technique of interrogation (more commonly known as good cop bad cop.) It builds trust with a suspect leveraging their primal desire for protection from a threat making them more cooperative and fostering a desire for the suspect to please the 'Good cop.'
I could probably ramble on quite a bit on this subject but its part of something I worked on last two years where I started studying professional interrogation techniques to use their parallel in mafia games. In this specific situation I am triangulating reads with because I do not really scum read him and I want his perspective on my reads to help me avoid letting a wolf out of my PoE. From what he has said though his voiced positioning of PQrNHack over anyone else could represent a gap between his portrayed read and his reasoning which has made me slightly more comfortable with the lynch.
Forgot to say it but the 'Bad cop' is the players stacking votes on him to lynch him while I stepped in as the 'good cop' poking at alternative lynch options to leverage a potential for survival while sympathizing with his position and being kind..
[QUOTE=SuperJack;922244]Can you explain [COLOR="#00FF00"]The Green?[/COLOR].
You are acting with Kindness and Gratitude in your posts and it intrigues me, you could easily say what you want without the added good hearted attitude.
What is the Psychological ideal and effect this causes that you believe?
I can't open you up like I do others.
So this is a new approach.[/QUOTE]Anything a player says holds value post-flip. Slightly less so in a game with an Actor but one significant town indicator I have found is in line with motivation. When someone is going to get lynched I am much more comfortable with their lynch when I see them exclusively focus on survival. I have found town are more prone to want to push their reads especially when I put it on their mind that their flip will add weight to what they say.
Me being nice psychologically is part of the "Mutt and Jeff" technique of interrogation (more commonly known as good cop bad cop.) It builds trust with a suspect leveraging their primal desire for protection from a threat making them more cooperative and fostering a desire for the suspect to please the 'Good cop.'
I could probably ramble on quite a bit on this subject but its part of something I worked on last two years where I started studying professional interrogation techniques to use their parallel in mafia games. In this specific situation I am triangulating reads with because I do not really scum read him and I want his perspective on my reads to help me avoid letting a wolf out of my PoE. From what he has said though his voiced positioning of PQrNHack over anyone else could represent a gap between his portrayed read and his reasoning which has made me slightly more comfortable with the lynch.
Originally Posted by SuperJack
Can you explain The Green?.
You are acting with Kindness and Gratitude in your posts and it intrigues me, you could easily say what you want without the added good hearted attitude.
What is the Psychological ideal and effect this causes that you believe?
I can't open you up like I do others.
So this is a new approach.
Anything a player says holds value post-flip. Slightly less so in a game with an Actor but one significant town indicator I have found is in line with motivation. When someone is going to get lynched I am much more comfortable with their lynch when I see them exclusively focus on survival. I have found town are more prone to want to push their reads especially when I put it on their mind that their flip will add weight to what they say.
Me being nice psychologically is part of the "Mutt and Jeff" technique of interrogation (more commonly known as good cop bad cop.) It builds trust with a suspect leveraging their primal desire for protection from a threat making them more cooperative and fostering a desire for the suspect to please the 'Good cop.'
I could probably ramble on quite a bit on this subject but its part of something I worked on last two years where I started studying professional interrogation techniques to use their parallel in mafia games. In this specific situation I am triangulating reads with because I do not really scum read him and I want his perspective on my reads to help me avoid letting a wolf out of my PoE. From what he has said though his voiced positioning of PQrNHack over anyone else could represent a gap between his portrayed read and his reasoning which has made me slightly more comfortable with the lynch.
[QUOTE=Varcron;922241]His interaction D1 with Blink/Mike made me inclined to scumread him with all three of them riding off eachother on my lynch. It didn't seem like a natural progression and I still believe that the sudden townread was really quite strange. Not a great reason except seeing where things are at I think my suspicion could be correct.[/QUOTE]
I could see that. I felt the same way about your D2 train as I do on this one. Outside of me being comfortable with the alignments of the people on it I don't see why you are read as scummier than Oberon, Renegade or Superjack. Out of my PoE pool I would place you 4th out of 5 personally.
At the same time I don't view that progression as aligned scum. On D2 RVS still had not been broken and a lynch had to happen. I truly wish I would have followed Bakermir that day on Obe but nothing can be done about that now. In my notes N2 my read on you was "Low fucks given very slight town."
Originally Posted by Varcron
His interaction D1 with Blink/Mike made me inclined to scumread him with all three of them riding off eachother on my lynch. It didn't seem like a natural progression and I still believe that the sudden townread was really quite strange. Not a great reason except seeing where things are at I think my suspicion could be correct.
I could see that. I felt the same way about your D2 train as I do on this one. Outside of me being comfortable with the alignments of the people on it I don't see why you are read as scummier than Oberon, Renegade or Superjack. Out of my PoE pool I would place you 4th out of 5 personally.
At the same time I don't view that progression as aligned scum. On D2 RVS still had not been broken and a lynch had to happen. I truly wish I would have followed Bakermir that day on Obe but nothing can be done about that now. In my notes N2 my read on you was "Low fucks given very slight town."
[QUOTE=Varcron;922231]Other than willingly trying to lead a random train on D1, I believe that the reason everyone thinks he has "info no one else does" is because he is scum
I don't see how that acting is townie in any ways personally.[/QUOTE]
I do appreciate your responding. You did explain why you don't town read him but why exactly do you scum read him over any other player? Was there a specific post or interaction that stood out to you?
Originally Posted by Varcron
Other than willingly trying to lead a random train on D1, I believe that the reason everyone thinks he has "info no one else does" is because he is scum
I don't see how that acting is townie in any ways personally.
I do appreciate your responding. You did explain why you don't town read him but why exactly do you scum read him over any other player? Was there a specific post or interaction that stood out to you?
[QUOTE=Varcron;922236]The problem with only using that to read him is we had the same sort of thing with Martin in his first game (if you played with him)
Very helpful attempting to solve for town, active, townread by everyone
Then at the end of the game he won as scum because he fooled everyone.[/QUOTE]Its a potential. I was the same when I started playing. Some people just have that nature to them.
I have also considered the potential that this being his 2nd game could be a deception although I find that less likely given he came from the mod and if he was to get into forum mafia that it would make sense for him to start by playing here.
Originally Posted by Varcron
The problem with only using that to read him is we had the same sort of thing with Martin in his first game (if you played with him)
Very helpful attempting to solve for town, active, townread by everyone
Then at the end of the game he won as scum because he fooled everyone.
Its a potential. I was the same when I started playing. Some people just have that nature to them.
I have also considered the potential that this being his 2nd game could be a deception although I find that less likely given he came from the mod and if he was to get into forum mafia that it would make sense for him to start by playing here.
[QUOTE=Varcron;922235][COLOR="#00FFFF"]I don't understand the logic behind this[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Well a scum Janitor would very much want to stay alive until his charge was used. If a scum player was going to take a risk they would want to have that done prior to taking those risks.
You could equally argue his actions make sense for an actress (which is more probable than heartbreaker as Mike pointed out) but the timing of the Janitor charge used and Oberon going batshit wild lines up.
Originally Posted by Varcron
I don't understand the logic behind this
Well a scum Janitor would very much want to stay alive until his charge was used. If a scum player was going to take a risk they would want to have that done prior to taking those risks.
You could equally argue his actions make sense for an actress (which is more probable than heartbreaker as Mike pointed out) but the timing of the Janitor charge used and Oberon going batshit wild lines up.
[QUOTE=Varcron;922232]Correct me if I am wrong except that is the main reason he is being townread by everyone, yes?[/QUOTE]
I don't believe so.
For me and I know at least for Blink its his behavior in context with this being his 2nd ever FM game. The way he has been playing just looks pretty townie to me. I personally do not believe he has some 'hidden information'
Originally Posted by Varcron
Correct me if I am wrong except that is the main reason he is being townread by everyone, yes?
I don't believe so.
For me and I know at least for Blink its his behavior in context with this being his 2nd ever FM game. The way he has been playing just looks pretty townie to me. I personally do not believe he has some 'hidden information'
[QUOTE=Renegade;922222]And dear [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION] perhaps I was reaction testing you? My reaction was by, but your reaction was "if u scumread me ur scum" typical stuff I've seen around here.[/QUOTE]
Lol. No. I could totally see someone thinking I would be aligned with Oberon and Varcon given I pushed counterwagon Varcon D2, would favor you or Superjacks lynch today over Varcon, and where I voted on Mike when he pushed for a mass claim while Obe/Mike were 1v1 earlier today. That part of it makes sense.
Putting PQRnHack in that pool makes absolutely no sense to me and Superjack has hardly played. If I were to make a Obe/Varcon 3rd person list I would throw quite a few names in it before either of those two which makes me feel like you just grabbed names out of a hat. Weather or not you were 'Frozen' or 'Reaction testing' is a question of WIFOM but weather or not you actually had a thought process behind what you voiced there can be reflected by you explaining.
Originally Posted by Renegade
And dear
@Helz
perhaps I was reaction testing you? My reaction was by, but your reaction was "if u scumread me ur scum" typical stuff I've seen around here.
Lol. No. I could totally see someone thinking I would be aligned with Oberon and Varcon given I pushed counterwagon Varcon D2, would favor you or Superjacks lynch today over Varcon, and where I voted on Mike when he pushed for a mass claim while Obe/Mike were 1v1 earlier today. That part of it makes sense.
Putting PQRnHack in that pool makes absolutely no sense to me and Superjack has hardly played. If I were to make a Obe/Varcon 3rd person list I would throw quite a few names in it before either of those two which makes me feel like you just grabbed names out of a hat. Weather or not you were 'Frozen' or 'Reaction testing' is a question of WIFOM but weather or not you actually had a thought process behind what you voiced there can be reflected by you explaining.
[QUOTE=Renegade;922219]No I actually was on a video call for the past hour.[/QUOTE]
When you have time I would still genuinely like to understand your thought process with that 'read' you gave earlier. No rush but keep in mind there is only 2 hours left in the day.
Originally Posted by Renegade
No I actually was on a video call for the past hour.
When you have time I would still genuinely like to understand your thought process with that 'read' you gave earlier. No rush but keep in mind there is only 2 hours left in the day.
[SPOILER=Quote for peoples referance][QUOTE=bakermir;922058]dude i already did I am gettin annoyed at you now I am never sending you shit again, first took you ages to reveal it then took you a lot of messages to get a confirm read the thread if you or ozy are still havin trouble with this or vote me I am not gonna bother with this anymore.
also the doctor should never visit me because I know I will either get RB'd or NK'd let it happen I don't wanna be in this game F5 or so with people still accusing me to be varcrons partner based on 1 fuckin action and discarding everything else I said it is ridiculous.
you guys think Varcron is partner to Oberon/SJ instead of Helz or Rene or Ozy then go ahead lets lynch Varcron then IDGAF I want town to fuckin stop fuckin around and find the third maf without bias. Only world where I am mafia is that I am exactly the actress knowing Auwt is caroler as blink mentioned but this is all paranoia and bordering tinfoil because I have been pushing for mafias lynch this entire game when I look at vote history while people been avoidin lynches.
my night one was MM as I confirmed it earlier btw and the reason why I picked MM was he was my first patron/mafia read from interactions with auwt and blink, I had Mike pegged as potential neutral then too so decided to visit him on n2 seeing he was even more obvious d2.
coming to d3 it took mike quite a while to post and this is why I avoided posting most of the day, once mike claimed the carol I made him know it was me but he had to be sure so he kept asking me and I wasn't sure about oberon truly being scum directly cc'ing me, I suspected oberon to possibly be town fakeclaiming but in any case I keep my vote on them. I am not convinced at all the Baker/Varcron world building btw I understand some of you are maybe trying to protect me but I am useless at this point. If you honestly think i am partner of Varcron then fuck off ppl i am rly pissed at [MENTION=27614]Mike[/MENTION] [MENTION=30663]OzyWho[/MENTION] and [MENTION=12998]PQRnHack[/MENTION]
Give me a reason why I shouldn't vote SuperJack or Oberon over Varcron besides what blink said about possible actress
I want consort dead[/QUOTE][/SPOILER]
[QUOTE=blinkskater;922217][MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION] what are your thoughts about post #1067[/QUOTE]
Being annoyed about how the carol went is very understandable given how today played out and the mess Oberon made out of it all.
I feel like its pretty genuine and that post reinforces my belief that he really is the Carroler. He does make an interesting point on specifically wanting to target the Consort with Varcron being likely Janitor if scum. I have suspected SuperJack for pretty much the entire game but if I voted anywhere other than Varcron it would be on Renegade after that suspicious read drop and run he just pulled.
Spoiler : Quote for peoples referance :
Originally Posted by bakermir
dude i already did I am gettin annoyed at you now I am never sending you shit again, first took you ages to reveal it then took you a lot of messages to get a confirm read the thread if you or ozy are still havin trouble with this or vote me I am not gonna bother with this anymore.
also the doctor should never visit me because I know I will either get RB'd or NK'd let it happen I don't wanna be in this game F5 or so with people still accusing me to be varcrons partner based on 1 fuckin action and discarding everything else I said it is ridiculous.
you guys think Varcron is partner to Oberon/SJ instead of Helz or Rene or Ozy then go ahead lets lynch Varcron then IDGAF I want town to fuckin stop fuckin around and find the third maf without bias. Only world where I am mafia is that I am exactly the actress knowing Auwt is caroler as blink mentioned but this is all paranoia and bordering tinfoil because I have been pushing for mafias lynch this entire game when I look at vote history while people been avoidin lynches.
my night one was MM as I confirmed it earlier btw and the reason why I picked MM was he was my first patron/mafia read from interactions with auwt and blink, I had Mike pegged as potential neutral then too so decided to visit him on n2 seeing he was even more obvious d2.
coming to d3 it took mike quite a while to post and this is why I avoided posting most of the day, once mike claimed the carol I made him know it was me but he had to be sure so he kept asking me and I wasn't sure about oberon truly being scum directly cc'ing me, I suspected oberon to possibly be town fakeclaiming but in any case I keep my vote on them. I am not convinced at all the Baker/Varcron world building btw I understand some of you are maybe trying to protect me but I am useless at this point. If you honestly think i am partner of Varcron then fuck off ppl i am rly pissed at
@Mike
@OzyWho
and
@PQRnHack
Give me a reason why I shouldn't vote SuperJack or Oberon over Varcron besides what blink said about possible actress
Being annoyed about how the carol went is very understandable given how today played out and the mess Oberon made out of it all.
I feel like its pretty genuine and that post reinforces my belief that he really is the Carroler. He does make an interesting point on specifically wanting to target the Consort with Varcron being likely Janitor if scum. I have suspected SuperJack for pretty much the entire game but if I voted anywhere other than Varcron it would be on Renegade after that suspicious read drop and run he just pulled.
So making myself read players is just not going well for me right now. I find myself dragging my feet and wondering around the interwebs
That last interaction with Renegade looked really bad to me. He would make an excellent lynch Candidate for tomorrow and I could totally be right about him pillow pushing a Superjack Mafia partner.
With 3/2/6 functioning as 3/8 we are in a decent position as long as Auwt was not the Doc. If misslynch today and 1 nk 3/6 tomorrow and lynching out of a 4 player PoE for 3 scum.
If Auwt was the Doc then misslynch today and 3NK for 4/3 tomorrow.
If tomorrow starts with Mike/Light/Blink all dead be very careful with your votes. 1 town vote on a town and the scum can hammer the game home. It is absolutely preferable to avoid spreading towns votes across multiple potentials for that reason.
So making myself read players is just not going well for me right now. I find myself dragging my feet and wondering around the interwebs
That last interaction with Renegade looked really bad to me. He would make an excellent lynch Candidate for tomorrow and I could totally be right about him pillow pushing a Superjack Mafia partner.
With 3/2/6 functioning as 3/8 we are in a decent position as long as Auwt was not the Doc. If misslynch today and 1 nk 3/6 tomorrow and lynching out of a 4 player PoE for 3 scum.
If Auwt was the Doc then misslynch today and 3NK for 4/3 tomorrow.
If tomorrow starts with Mike/Light/Blink all dead be very careful with your votes. 1 town vote on a town and the scum can hammer the game home. It is absolutely preferable to avoid spreading towns votes across multiple potentials for that reason.
[QUOTE=OzyWho;922205]He has done it [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/46022-S-FM-293-%C3%A7"]here [/URL]as town and [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48239-S-FM-324-Stay-Classy-(8P)"]here [/URL]as mafia.
Those are 2 that I remember. It's NAI.
What is his [I]eternal meta[/I] though is him getting majorly upset for being scumread/pushed/voted.
I tunnelled on him in [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48101-S-FM-322-Simple-Forum-Mafia-WINTER-2021"]this [/URL]game for that meta read. He ended up Town, but in that game unlike this game he straight up said he tries to get rid of that meta of his.
That's the only AI thing I know about Oberon.[/QUOTE]
What is his eternal meta though is him getting majorly upset for being scumread/pushed/voted.
I tunnelled on him in this game for that meta read. He ended up Town, but in that game unlike this game he straight up said he tries to get rid of that meta of his.
[QUOTE=Renegade;922200]Analysis based on votes and my perceived dispositions of each player to scum team.[/QUOTE]
Very specifically I am trying to understand how you drew that conclusion.
I pretty much read that grouping, laughed to myself and immediately assumed you grabbed 2 town and stuck you scum partner in the back for a pillow push. I am curious as to both why you scum read each player as well as why you would consider each player aligned with Varcon. I mean.. PQRnHack was on Varcon to lynch him EoD 2..
Originally Posted by Renegade
Analysis based on votes and my perceived dispositions of each player to scum team.
Very specifically I am trying to understand how you drew that conclusion.
I pretty much read that grouping, laughed to myself and immediately assumed you grabbed 2 town and stuck you scum partner in the back for a pillow push. I am curious as to both why you scum read each player as well as why you would consider each player aligned with Varcon. I mean.. PQRnHack was on Varcon to lynch him EoD 2..
After reading through Varcron I really dont have strong feelings one way or the other. D1 he seemed to give absolutely zero fucks about scum hunting but past that I could only nitpick small things here or there to both town and scum read him. Its just not enough for me to oppose his lynch.
After reading through Varcron I really dont have strong feelings one way or the other. D1 he seemed to give absolutely zero fucks about scum hunting but past that I could only nitpick small things here or there to both town and scum read him. Its just not enough for me to oppose his lynch.
[QUOTE=OzyWho;922190]My vote on Renegade yielded depressing reactions tbh.
Nobody could care less. Nor that my vote went towards Renegade nor that my vote went from Varcron.
This apathy though.[/QUOTE]
I liked it.
I always always always want counter trains. When there is 2 trains players must make decisions and those decisions reflect intentions and alignment. 1 train lynches are lame.
Originally Posted by OzyWho
My vote on Renegade yielded depressing reactions tbh.
Nobody could care less. Nor that my vote went towards Renegade nor that my vote went from Varcron.
This apathy though.
I liked it.
I always always always want counter trains. When there is 2 trains players must make decisions and those decisions reflect intentions and alignment. 1 train lynches are lame.
[QUOTE=OzyWho;922183]Tbh, the fact that [I]everyone[/I] is content with Varcrons lynch is slightly concerning.
But tbh, all 3 slots from the carol list are bottom 3 posters, apart from me and the host, and the other 2 had like no reads or opinions and just went along with everything while Varcron had some controversial ideas, which I guess is worse than the other 2 but not that much tbh they all 3 the same fmpov.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It bothered me D2 how peaceful his train was going as well. If he is scum then his buddys do not seem inclined to resist his lynch in the slightest. The countertrain D2 was pure meaning wolves are either being very passive or he is town.
I also curse the RNG Gods for throwing 3 players who are all in the PoE. If it had snagged even 1 player we could sort, it would have been so much more useful.
Originally Posted by OzyWho
Tbh, the fact that everyone is content with Varcrons lynch is slightly concerning.
But tbh, all 3 slots from the carol list are bottom 3 posters, apart from me and the host, and the other 2 had like no reads or opinions and just went along with everything while Varcron had some controversial ideas, which I guess is worse than the other 2 but not that much tbh they all 3 the same fmpov.
I agree. It bothered me D2 how peaceful his train was going as well. If he is scum then his buddys do not seem inclined to resist his lynch in the slightest. The countertrain D2 was pure meaning wolves are either being very passive or he is town.
I also curse the RNG Gods for throwing 3 players who are all in the PoE. If it had snagged even 1 player we could sort, it would have been so much more useful.
[QUOTE=blinkskater;922176][MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION] if you have any doubts that Varcron wont flip red, just look at his vote parked on a double kill for town.[/QUOTE]
Lier
[SPOILER]Its a triple kill[/SPOILER]
Originally Posted by blinkskater
@Helz
if you have any doubts that Varcron wont flip red, just look at his vote parked on a double kill for town.
[QUOTE=OzyWho;922171][COLOR="#FF8C00"]This[/COLOR] felt a little like you were kidding but you were not. It's asking "why would I reveal something that everyone can read in the setup page" and I can't fathom how it can be a genuine LAMIST case.
About Oberon though. I'll get back to you on that.[/QUOTE]
You should re-read what I said. The beginning of today I posted that Mike was an Angel who's win con was BlinkSkater just from reads. This is before he revealed. I was wrong on the role but not on the alignment or on his win con target and that can not be obtained by reading the setup.
Originally Posted by OzyWho
This felt a little like you were kidding but you were not. It's asking "why would I reveal something that everyone can read in the setup page" and I can't fathom how it can be a genuine LAMIST case.
About Oberon though. I'll get back to you on that.
You should re-read what I said. The beginning of today I posted that Mike was an Angel who's win con was BlinkSkater just from reads. This is before he revealed. I was wrong on the role but not on the alignment or on his win con target and that can not be obtained by reading the setup.
[QUOTE=Helz;922166][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Mike[/COLOR]- Lover on Blink, N2 Carroler feedback of "Varcron, Super Jack and Renegade"
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Light_Yag[/COLOR]- Angel on Blink
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Bakermi[/COLOR]r- Slip Town and Carroler
[COLOR="#008000"]PQnH[/COLOR]ack- Town Lean
[COLOR="#008000"]Blinksk[/COLOR]ater- Town Lean (If scum town has already lost)
This is where I am at right now. From my view that puts 3/5 in:
Varcon
Oberon
Renegade
Superjack
OzyWho
Considering it given my reads and Mikes Carroler feedback Renegade peeked scum. I almost feel obligated to place my vote there
[VOTE]Renegade[/VOTE][/QUOTE]
[unvote][/unvote] I just did something very stupid in my notes. Disregard that.. I was looking at Oberons claimed carroler feedback >.<
Originally Posted by Helz
Mike- Lover on Blink, N2 Carroler feedback of "Varcron, Super Jack and Renegade"
Light_Yag- Angel on Blink
Bakermir- Slip Town and Carroler
PQnHack- Town Lean
Blinkskater- Town Lean (If scum town has already lost)
This is where I am at right now. From my view that puts 3/5 in:
Varcon
Oberon
Renegade
Superjack
OzyWho
Considering it given my reads and Mikes Carroler feedback Renegade peeked scum. I almost feel obligated to place my vote there
-vote Renegade
-unvote
I just did something very stupid in my notes. Disregard that.. I was looking at Oberons claimed carroler feedback >.<
[QUOTE=Mike;922165]@Baker Do not call out your target becuse that gives mafia to much info in the night. We do not need baker to confirm his role. If baker is MAfia we have lost already.
reason why.
1. mafia knows the town healer will be on me tonight.
2 mafia knows Light will be garding blink tonight.
3 Mafia will not target me or blink tonight or if they do they lose a KP.
4 Mafia can target the person baker gives carol to and kills them. to advoid a cop check from going out.
5 baker cant give carol to me becuse he gave it to me last night.
6 baker will not give carol to blink because the off chance me or blink dies in the night.
7 Mafia will knnoow all this already so dont give me crap Dont help the mafia.
8 Baker has limited people to give carol to and helping mafia know who it is going to is just BAD.
That is why baker will not tell us who is getting it. only fact we know is I am not getting it due to mechanics.[/QUOTE]I do not mean today. I mean D4 call it out prior to the player revealing..
Originally Posted by Mike
@Baker Do not call out your target becuse that gives mafia to much info in the night. We do not need baker to confirm his role. If baker is MAfia we have lost already.
reason why.
1. mafia knows the town healer will be on me tonight.
2 mafia knows Light will be garding blink tonight.
3 Mafia will not target me or blink tonight or if they do they lose a KP.
4 Mafia can target the person baker gives carol to and kills them. to advoid a cop check from going out.
5 baker cant give carol to me becuse he gave it to me last night.
6 baker will not give carol to blink because the off chance me or blink dies in the night.
7 Mafia will knnoow all this already so dont give me crap Dont help the mafia.
8 Baker has limited people to give carol to and helping mafia know who it is going to is just BAD.
That is why baker will not tell us who is getting it. only fact we know is I am not getting it due to mechanics.
I do not mean today. I mean D4 call it out prior to the player revealing..
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Mike[/COLOR]- Lover on Blink, N2 Carroler feedback of "Varcron, Super Jack and Renegade"
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Light_Yag[/COLOR]- Angel on Blink
[COLOR="#00FF00"]Bakermi[/COLOR]r- Slip Town and Carroler
[COLOR="#008000"]PQnH[/COLOR]ack- Town Lean
[COLOR="#008000"]Blinksk[/COLOR]ater- Town Lean (If scum town has already lost)
This is where I am at right now. From my view that puts 3/5 in:
Varcon
Oberon
Renegade
Superjack
OzyWho
Considering it given my reads and Mikes Carroler feedback Renegade peeked scum. I almost feel obligated to place my vote there
[VOTE]Renegade[/VOTE]
Mike- Lover on Blink, N2 Carroler feedback of "Varcron, Super Jack and Renegade"
Light_Yag- Angel on Blink
Bakermir- Slip Town and Carroler
PQnHack- Town Lean
Blinkskater- Town Lean (If scum town has already lost)
This is where I am at right now. From my view that puts 3/5 in:
Varcon
Oberon
Renegade
Superjack
OzyWho
Considering it given my reads and Mikes Carroler feedback Renegade peeked scum. I almost feel obligated to place my vote there
[MENTION=43484]Varcron[/MENTION] If you are town and you recognize you are about to be lynched would you like to take a moment to push your reads given in a few hours your flip would give them more significant weight?**^
@Varcron
If you are town and you recognize you are about to be lynched would you like to take a moment to push your reads given in a few hours your flip would give them more significant weight?**^
Light is extremely likely Neutral Angel on Blink
Mike is confirmed as Neutral Lover on Blink
Mike reported Caroler feedback of varcron, Super Jack and renegade so 1 or more scum between those 3
Baker is likely the Carroler [MENTION=45327]bakermir[/MENTION] can you confirm your N1 target?)
If Blink is not town the game is lost
Those who have played with Oberon quite a bit- Does he do this insane FPS stuff as well when he is scum? Its obviously hurting the town but it would take some massive balls to do that as scum and if one was on the game I would be calling him a Jester..
'If' there is still any notion of a 1v1 between Oberon and Blink about who is the carroler its silly. Thats a confirmable role. I would ask [MENTION=45327]bakermir[/MENTION] and [MENTION=45595]Oberon[/MENTION] to call their target early D4 to confirm and if you receive a Carrol wait until they point to you to reveal it. Although yes there is a Consort about they can not RB 2 players. Outside of all that I would find Bakermir's claim much more believable given Oberon is the boy who cried wolf and Baker was a strong town read to me.
Also [MENTION=28400]blinkskater[/MENTION] You were FoSing me quite a bit but ask yourself in what world as Mafia I would identify Mike as a Neutral who's win condition was on you and I would choose to reveal that to town instead of killing him at night? In that world if I was scum I would know you are town and I would see Mike as having a town win condition making you guys a double kill on a slot that would be very unlikely to be protected.
Im gona focus on reads now. A part of me really wants to gun for Superjack but I am not sure if thats the best play..
@Varcon If you are town and you recognize you are about to be lynched would you like to take a moment to push your reads given in a few hours your flip would give them more significant weight?
Light is extremely likely Neutral Angel on Blink
Mike is confirmed as Neutral Lover on Blink
Mike reported Caroler feedback of varcron, Super Jack and renegade so 1 or more scum between those 3
Baker is likely the Carroler
@bakermir
can you confirm your N1 target?)
If Blink is not town the game is lost
Those who have played with Oberon quite a bit- Does he do this insane FPS stuff as well when he is scum? Its obviously hurting the town but it would take some massive balls to do that as scum and if one was on the game I would be calling him a Jester..
'If' there is still any notion of a 1v1 between Oberon and Blink about who is the carroler its silly. Thats a confirmable role. I would ask
@bakermir
and
@Oberon
to call their target early D4 to confirm and if you receive a Carrol wait until they point to you to reveal it. Although yes there is a Consort about they can not RB 2 players. Outside of all that I would find Bakermir's claim much more believable given Oberon is the boy who cried wolf and Baker was a strong town read to me.
Also
@blinkskater
You were FoSing me quite a bit but ask yourself in what world as Mafia I would identify Mike as a Neutral who's win condition was on you and I would choose to reveal that to town instead of killing him at night? In that world if I was scum I would know you are town and I would see Mike as having a town win condition making you guys a double kill on a slot that would be very unlikely to be protected.
Im gona focus on reads now. A part of me really wants to gun for Superjack but I am not sure if thats the best play..
@Varcon If you are town and you recognize you are about to be lynched would you like to take a moment to push your reads given in a few hours your flip would give them more significant weight?
The first quote you linked is about me thinking Oberon is Janitor and Mike is being potentially the heartbreaker and you as mafia if mike were to be town. Game was moving too fast and I had to do a reaction test on Mike and that quoted post is precisely that. At the time I could see janitor claiming first in mafia team regardless of heartbreaker/actress existing in the team so thats where my mind was at.
There were a lot of things going on so I said "waiting for helz to respond" as in respond to everything that's happening. I didn't have a question for you or made it look like you are ignoring me. Only Mike was ignoring my Heartbreaker comment where in a world where Oberon is janitor. But then Mike responded to it. You should read the game with a clear head then and feel free to question me if you are confused about my posts.[/QUOTE]
The first quote you linked is about me thinking Oberon is Janitor and Mike is being potentially the heartbreaker and you as mafia if mike were to be town. Game was moving too fast and I had to do a reaction test on Mike and that quoted post is precisely that. At the time I could see janitor claiming first in mafia team regardless of heartbreaker/actress existing in the team so thats where my mind was at.
There were a lot of things going on so I said "waiting for helz to respond" as in respond to everything that's happening. I didn't have a question for you or made it look like you are ignoring me. Only Mike was ignoring my Heartbreaker comment where in a world where Oberon is janitor. But then Mike responded to it. You should read the game with a clear head then and feel free to question me if you are confused about my posts.
[QUOTE=Oberon;922134]Well the caroler/carol claims were pretty random on my part I admit but it is what it is.[/QUOTE]
Its cool man. I probably need to chill and just be more accepting of others play style. This is just a game and its about having fun. Its not right for me to say its wrong of you to do what you enjoy. I was probably displacing some frustration from yesterday on you. Had a bitch of a time working on my buddys truck all day and it was one of those situations where everything just goes wrong. So for what it is, I am sorry.
Also, Back and reading up again : )
Originally Posted by Oberon
Well the caroler/carol claims were pretty random on my part I admit but it is what it is.
Its cool man. I probably need to chill and just be more accepting of others play style. This is just a game and its about having fun. Its not right for me to say its wrong of you to do what you enjoy. I was probably displacing some frustration from yesterday on you. Had a bitch of a time working on my buddys truck all day and it was one of those situations where everything just goes wrong. So for what it is, I am sorry.
[QUOTE=Oberon;922129]Lol. Sorry. I may or may not have been extremely drunk last night and wasn't completely sure what I was doing. Would it change your mind if I was scum instead of town? :)[/QUOTE]
Im just gona stop reading at page 20.
I am not mad that your pulling FPS plays. I am just pissed that your claiming a role or some night action or some feedback and you have no reason or goal. There is no 'this gives me an advantage as my alignment if I accomplish x.' Its just a raw bullshitting to bullshit which does nothing to help you win your game or help you grow as a player.
I am frustrated and going to bed. I wish you well and hope I am wrong but I want to throw a brick at you right now.
Originally Posted by Oberon
Lol. Sorry. I may or may not have been extremely drunk last night and wasn't completely sure what I was doing. Would it change your mind if I was scum instead of town?
Im just gona stop reading at page 20.
I am not mad that your pulling FPS plays. I am just pissed that your claiming a role or some night action or some feedback and you have no reason or goal. There is no 'this gives me an advantage as my alignment if I accomplish x.' Its just a raw bullshitting to bullshit which does nothing to help you win your game or help you grow as a player.
I am frustrated and going to bed. I wish you well and hope I am wrong but I want to throw a brick at you right now.
[QUOTE=Oberon;921906]I'm not a fucking caroler I lied[/QUOTE]
Man.. I want to make a fucking checklist for you for doing a gambit.
Like.. Nothing to do with this game.. You are fucking terrible at doing gambits. Please stop doing them. Please. I like playing in this community less because of your 'gambits'.
Originally Posted by Oberon
I'm not a fucking caroler I lied
Man.. I want to make a fucking checklist for you for doing a gambit.
Like.. Nothing to do with this game.. You are fucking terrible at doing gambits. Please stop doing them. Please. I like playing in this community less because of your 'gambits'.
[QUOTE=Helz;922126]Light softed Listmaker D1
I successfully advocated for a no lynch D1 with mechanical reasoning
N1 MM was killed
D2 RVS still had not been broken
Trains EoD were Varcon, Oberon, NumberTwo with Varcon about to be lynched. Bakermir swapped within the last 30 seconds of the last minute to tie up Varcon with NumberTwo. RNG flipped NumberTwo as cit.
N2 Auwt was killed and cleaned
D3 I call Mike Angel with Blink win con, Light claims Angel with Blink win con, Mike claims carroler feedback of varcron, Super Jack and renegade. Oberon CC's Mike as receiving a carol with feedback of Helz, PqrnHack, Renegade. Oberon redacts claim of feedback and claims to be the caroler who sang to Mike and CC'd him for some reason I don't remember making sense to me.
Then I went afk and fast forward to now..[/QUOTE]
A part of me reading my own summary laughs at this. It feels like scum has a majority but lacks coordination to do anything with it even though I know they do not. Going forward I think we can choke them out one flailing mess at a time so long as we control the tempo and force the conversation to stick with logic and reasoning. I have the feeling scum have made more than a few mistakes today and we can capitalize on them as long as we do not get lost in nonsense arguments that make claims but have no basis in reasoning.
Originally Posted by Helz
Light softed Listmaker D1
I successfully advocated for a no lynch D1 with mechanical reasoning
N1 MM was killed
D2 RVS still had not been broken
Trains EoD were Varcon, Oberon, NumberTwo with Varcon about to be lynched. Bakermir swapped within the last 30 seconds of the last minute to tie up Varcon with NumberTwo. RNG flipped NumberTwo as cit.
N2 Auwt was killed and cleaned
D3 I call Mike Angel with Blink win con, Light claims Angel with Blink win con, Mike claims carroler feedback of varcron, Super Jack and renegade. Oberon CC's Mike as receiving a carol with feedback of Helz, PqrnHack, Renegade. Oberon redacts claim of feedback and claims to be the caroler who sang to Mike and CC'd him for some reason I don't remember making sense to me.
Then I went afk and fast forward to now..
A part of me reading my own summary laughs at this. It feels like scum has a majority but lacks coordination to do anything with it even though I know they do not. Going forward I think we can choke them out one flailing mess at a time so long as we control the tempo and force the conversation to stick with logic and reasoning. I have the feeling scum have made more than a few mistakes today and we can capitalize on them as long as we do not get lost in nonsense arguments that make claims but have no basis in reasoning.
[QUOTE=OzyWho;921896]AMEN PLEASE DO THAT jeez, im asking it for so long now nobody's willing to help a brotha out the get up to speed.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SuperJack;921894]Can I ask a favour? A list of claims, and other big stuff.[/QUOTE]
Light softed Listmaker D1
I successfully advocated for a no lynch D1 with mechanical reasoning
N1 MM was killed
D2 RVS still had not been broken
Trains EoD were Varcon, Oberon, NumberTwo with Varcon about to be lynched. Bakermir swapped within the last 30 seconds of the last minute to tie up Varcon with NumberTwo. RNG flipped NumberTwo as cit.
N2 Auwt was killed and cleaned
D3 I call Mike Angel with Blink win con, Light claims Angel with Blink win con, Mike claims carroler feedback of varcron, Super Jack and renegade. Oberon CC's Mike as receiving a carol with feedback of Helz, PqrnHack, Renegade. Oberon redacts claim of feedback and claims to be the caroler who sang to Mike and CC'd him for some reason I don't remember making sense to me.
Then I went afk and fast forward to now..
Originally Posted by OzyWho
AMEN PLEASE DO THAT jeez, im asking it for so long now nobody's willing to help a brotha out the get up to speed.
Originally Posted by SuperJack
Can I ask a favour? A list of claims, and other big stuff.
Light softed Listmaker D1
I successfully advocated for a no lynch D1 with mechanical reasoning
N1 MM was killed
D2 RVS still had not been broken
Trains EoD were Varcon, Oberon, NumberTwo with Varcon about to be lynched. Bakermir swapped within the last 30 seconds of the last minute to tie up Varcon with NumberTwo. RNG flipped NumberTwo as cit.
N2 Auwt was killed and cleaned
D3 I call Mike Angel with Blink win con, Light claims Angel with Blink win con, Mike claims carroler feedback of varcron, Super Jack and renegade. Oberon CC's Mike as receiving a carol with feedback of Helz, PqrnHack, Renegade. Oberon redacts claim of feedback and claims to be the caroler who sang to Mike and CC'd him for some reason I don't remember making sense to me.
Then I went afk and fast forward to now..
[QUOTE=OzyWho;921895]Where was Oberon CC'd?[/QUOTE]
I honestly havent seen it. Bakermir's posts make me feel like he thinks Oberon CC'd him?[QUOTE=bakermir;921863]yeah thats where I am at also, I just want to hear from helz as he didn't respond and Mike deliberately ignored my Heartbreaker post about him so yeah it is what it is I guess I could switch to Helz with how the things looking right now but my vote is on Oberon for now [COLOR="#FFFFFF"][U]since he CC'd me[/U][/COLOR][/QUOTE]Im really tired and will have to dig into this in the morning but this suggests Bakermir is claiming to be the carroler who gave Mike a carol N2 and suggesting that he claimed it before Oberon?
I will sort this the best I can tomorrow morning but right now I am just kind of squinting my eyes and tilting my head at Bakermir's posts trying to make any sense of them.
Oberon had CC'ed Mike earlier today stating fake carroler feedback which he revealed later to be a gambit to gain some sort of information. I have no clue how Bakemir plays into this and am very uncomfortable with his posts sense I left. My issue with giving Oberon a hard town pass is that he did it after mike claimed feedback and also the day after a janitor kill which revealed a role to the Mafia team.
I may be tired enough to have missed something but this situation makes me want to tell everyone to pull away from lynch range with their votes until the chaos is sorted.
Originally Posted by OzyWho
Where was Oberon CC'd?
I honestly havent seen it. Bakermir's posts make me feel like he thinks Oberon CC'd him?
Originally Posted by bakermir
yeah thats where I am at also, I just want to hear from helz as he didn't respond and Mike deliberately ignored my Heartbreaker post about him so yeah it is what it is I guess I could switch to Helz with how the things looking right now but my vote is on Oberon for now since he CC'd me
Im really tired and will have to dig into this in the morning but this suggests Bakermir is claiming to be the carroler who gave Mike a carol N2 and suggesting that he claimed it before Oberon?
I will sort this the best I can tomorrow morning but right now I am just kind of squinting my eyes and tilting my head at Bakermir's posts trying to make any sense of them.
Oberon had CC'ed Mike earlier today stating fake carroler feedback which he revealed later to be a gambit to gain some sort of information. I have no clue how Bakemir plays into this and am very uncomfortable with his posts sense I left. My issue with giving Oberon a hard town pass is that he did it after mike claimed feedback and also the day after a janitor kill which revealed a role to the Mafia team.
I may be tired enough to have missed something but this situation makes me want to tell everyone to pull away from lynch range with their votes until the chaos is sorted.
[QUOTE=bakermir;921863]yeah thats where I am at also, I just want to hear from helz as he didn't respond and Mike deliberately ignored my Heartbreaker post about him so yeah it is what it is I guess I could switch to Helz with how the things looking right now but my vote is on Oberon for now since he CC'd me[/QUOTE]
So right now I am catching up. I swear I just read your D2 Iso to this point 4 times and never found any hint at a question. You either think you said something you didn't or you are just expecting me to respond to every post in the game which is just never going to happen.
I also do not get these posts
[QUOTE=bakermir;921876]My scumhunting lead me to Oberon being scum 100%, SJ being scum 90%, Mike/Helz containing one 100%, Varcron/Rene containing one 10%[/QUOTE][QUOTE=bakermir;921851]you are right and I know this puts me in a scuffed position in your and everyones reads but you guys gotta trust me here oberon is scum and this means mike or helz one of them is guaranteed scum. do you guys wanna lynch between helz/mike or oberon/baker ? that is now up to rest of you[/QUOTE]
Sure. Your saying 1v1 but you have given no reasoning why we can not both be town, both be scum or even why one of us being one alignment means the other is not aligned.
Feel free to @ me next time you have a question if you ever had one. I very much dislike being talked about as if I avoided some question.
Originally Posted by bakermir
yeah thats where I am at also, I just want to hear from helz as he didn't respond and Mike deliberately ignored my Heartbreaker post about him so yeah it is what it is I guess I could switch to Helz with how the things looking right now but my vote is on Oberon for now since he CC'd me
So right now I am catching up. I swear I just read your D2 Iso to this point 4 times and never found any hint at a question. You either think you said something you didn't or you are just expecting me to respond to every post in the game which is just never going to happen.
I also do not get these posts
Originally Posted by bakermir
My scumhunting lead me to Oberon being scum 100%, SJ being scum 90%, Mike/Helz containing one 100%, Varcron/Rene containing one 10%
Originally Posted by bakermir
you are right and I know this puts me in a scuffed position in your and everyones reads but you guys gotta trust me here oberon is scum and this means mike or helz one of them is guaranteed scum. do you guys wanna lynch between helz/mike or oberon/baker ? that is now up to rest of you
Sure. Your saying 1v1 but you have given no reasoning why we can not both be town, both be scum or even why one of us being one alignment means the other is not aligned.
Feel free to @ me next time you have a question if you ever had one. I very much dislike being talked about as if I avoided some question.
[QUOTE=Helz;921759]This is a very good point. If anyone else has lover feedback they should 1000% reveal that shit
You... fucking.... wut?
Did you at least seed prior to claiming this time to refer back to and get you out of this hole you dug?
And what information did you intend to gain? What information did you gain? Can you point to a place where you were interacting to generate that information?
Or is this another one of those times we gotta flip a coin on if you are scum or just pulled a gambit with no preparation or thought as town?[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, I suppose with no CC Oberon is semi confirmed which gets him outa this. The risk is if he is scum he is just pushing to out one more TPR before he goes down.
Originally Posted by Helz
This is a very good point. If anyone else has lover feedback they should 1000% reveal that shit
You... fucking.... wut?
Did you at least seed prior to claiming this time to refer back to and get you out of this hole you dug?
And what information did you intend to gain? What information did you gain? Can you point to a place where you were interacting to generate that information?
Or is this another one of those times we gotta flip a coin on if you are scum or just pulled a gambit with no preparation or thought as town?
Oh yeah, I suppose with no CC Oberon is semi confirmed which gets him outa this. The risk is if he is scum he is just pushing to out one more TPR before he goes down.
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Originally Posted by blinkskater
