S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD

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Originally Posted by Ganelon

The thing is, when people argue about something there is often an idea at the core of what they’re trying to put forward, and much of that core remains unstated clearly - because it’s very difficult to fully and clearly explain your ideas in their entirety. I would honestly argue that the game of Mafia is more about trying to figure out your beliefs about the game state and articulating them, not about convincing others.

If we could all explain our reasonings scum would win much less frequently. But human beings are imperfect.

To go back to what I was saying, there’s usually lots of different ideas floating about in ones head when making the argument that inactive = scum. For instance, when I say that you, MM, are scum and use activity to prove it, i look at your scum meta and note that you are a lot more careful about your activity as scum. What I also know is what I do as scum, random wolfy pop-ins.

They cannot simply be dismissed altogether because such arguments do sometimes work.

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nou uwu
see?exactly what iwas thinkingowo

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

whydo u always say things im afraid to say owo

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He's a mind reader.

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Originally Posted by secondpassing

He's a mind reader.

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nou uwu

u know,im much more comfortable expresssingmy true thoughts about a game than aboutpolitics. rememberhow hard i tunneled u and beenckle??ye, u definitely do uwu

also,ur bestperson owo. uwu owo best owo uwu bestuwu owobest

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Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Sure, its not okay to do an exaggerated thing that doesnt happen.

It IS okay to push people that sign for a game to at least attempt to play it, which we are all in agreement on, so I guess we'll just leave it at that

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Our ragequits were unacceptable. And bitchy as fuck. It doesn't make it any less true that afking is a huge issue in games.

Of all 13 people playing I am 8/13 in posts. Ignoring replacements I am 7/10.
You were 5/13 and and 5/10 respectively.
For the entire game.

Something has to be done to reconcile people checking in once or twice a day vs. people posting all day. It just doesn't work with such enormous gaps in activity. Marsh please make that post you said you would about this topic, because we really need to discuss it as a community.

Maybe we could have posting restrictions for ladder games?
Both on the upper and lower ends of the spectrum.

Half baked idea tho. I suspect it won’t do much to solve these problems. One thing we could do is host games that have an extremely low max post count restriction per day (something like 50 posts/player). This will force players to make larger and more well thought-out posts.

Actually... how about having not a post count restriction, but a minimum number of words per post restriction?

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Originally Posted by Ganelon

Half baked idea tho. I suspect it won’t do much to solve these problems. One thing we could do is host games that have an extremely low max post count restriction per day (something like 50 posts/player). This will force players to make larger and more well thought-out posts.

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like all the other suggestions, this encourages less activity. I genuinely feel like the people caring the most, spend the most time playing, and post the most etc etc. Is there no way to satisfy that demographic? Does everything have to be about encouraging people to barely play at all?

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Originally Posted by aamirus

like all the other suggestions, this encourages less activity. I genuinely feel like the people caring the most, spend the most time playing, and post the most etc etc. Is there no way to satisfy that demographic? Does everything have to be about encouraging people to barely play at all?

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I care. I just can't give at much time because I have a job where I can't sit down and doss on the internet.
Also my wife and baby require attention.
It's fine asking people to be active. But some people have lives. And it's unreasonable to expect everyone to be like you or play like you.

I don't understand why people assume high post count=better game/better player. It makes the game difficult and unfun to read. You complain people don't put in enough, but you forget how difficult it is to jump back into a game after a sleep or work too find you have over 500 posts to read through, analysis and post context on, on top of still having to remain active to keep up with the instant chat like content being posted every minute.

And then you wonder why people don't partake as much.

You need to lower your expectations and get better at analysis content, so then you don't need to have so much of it.

nevermind

Hey aamirus. I was using multiple quote replies a lot this game so using post count isn't something I think you should use to judge quality of play. If I had single replied, my post count would be higher. Marshall also did too. SJ posted every day and it was enough in his posts to show him not solving anymore which is what gave it away to me. It was your slot, which was afk for a complete day, that just confused the heck outta me and made it so hard not to angleshoot ;_;

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Originally Posted by aamirus

Something has to be done to reconcile people checking in once or twice a day vs. people posting all day. It just doesn't work with such enormous gaps in activity. Marsh please make that post you said you would about this topic, because we really need to discuss it as a community.

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I agree with you here though. The only reason why I did sign this time is bc I'm working from home and quarantined & knew I could keep up with the game. I'd like to take the discussion out of this thread, can u start the thread?🥰

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Originally Posted by naz

I agree with you here though. The only reason why I did sign this time is bc I'm working from home and quarantined & knew I could keep up with the game. I'd like to take the discussion out of this thread, can u start the thread?🥰

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I want to let marsh do it

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Originally Posted by SuperJack

I care. I just can't give at much time because I have a job where I can't sit down and doss on the internet.
Also my wife and baby require attention.
It's fine asking people to be active. But some people have lives. And it's unreasonable to expect everyone to be like you or play like you.

I don't understand why people assume high post count=better game/better player. It makes the game difficult and unfun to read. You complain people don't put in enough, but you forget how difficult it is to jump back into a game after a sleep or work too find you have over 500 posts to read through, analysis and post context on, on top of still having to remain active to keep up with the instant chat like content being posted every minute.

And then you wonder why people don't partake as much.

You need to lower your expectations and get better at analysis content, so then you don't need to have so much of it.

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Yet this does not excuse AFKing. If you join a game, you are taking the responsibility of taking part. If you fail to do so then you are failing all the players and the host. Wasting their time and effort which they have put in.
So if you are paying the minimum. Don't be surprised if people get angry and upset at you.

I did this during D2 & D3. I used the games emotional state to avoid participating in hoping to get away using an emotional get out of lynch card. Town had let me get away with it.
Although had I been pushed I would of pushed back.

I think what I'm trying to say is.
Sometimes people can give and expect too much.
Othertimes people can give and expect too little.

And there needs too be a middle ground and some understanding of people's situations and ability's.

There's only so much guidance a host or setup can give too this. As we should be able to accommodate different levels of play.
So it comes down to players to adapt and try and better the games.
Things like if you don't have enough time to give, don't do it then. Either make more time for the game, or become better at using the little time you have.

Or if you have too much time, find something else too do. Don't expect people too be able to get close to your levels.

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Originally Posted by SuperJack

Yet this does not excuse AFKing. If you join a game, you are taking the responsibility of taking part. If you fail to do so then you are failing all the players and the host. Wasting their time and effort which they have put in.
So if you are paying the minimum. Don't be surprised if people get angry and upset at you.

I did this during D2 & D3. I used the games emotional state to avoid participating in hoping to get away using an emotional get out of lynch card. Town had let me get away with it.
Although had I been pushed I would of pushed back.

I think what I'm trying to say is.
Sometimes people can give and expect too much.
Othertimes people can give and expect too little.

And there needs too be a middle ground and some understanding of people's situations and ability's.

There's only so much guidance a host or setup can give too this. As we should be able to accommodate different levels of play.
So it comes down to players to adapt and try and better the games.
Things like if you don't have enough time to give, don't do it then. Either make more time for the game, or become better at using the little time you have.

Or if you have too much time, find something else too do. Don't expect people too be able to get close to your levels.

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amazing post, wholly agreed

I haven't read the whole game so I'm sorry if I'm intruding / missing something critical. A permanent post cap would be pretty extreme, but I think playing a game with an intentionally restrictive post cap placed on players known to be very active (like 20 posts per day, lifted at EOD) and a demanding minimum post count on players known to be low activity (like 40 posts per day) would be very refreshing and insightful for people trying to adjust their activity to humane amounts. The numbers may be bad but you get the idea. I'd happily sign for that.

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Originally Posted by yzb25

I haven't read the whole game so I'm sorry if I'm intruding / missing something critical. A permanent post cap would be pretty extreme, but I think playing a game with an intentionally restrictive post cap placed on players known to be very active (like 20 posts per day, lifted at EOD) and a demanding minimum post count on players known to be low activity (like 30 posts per day) would be very refreshing and insightful for people trying to adjust their activity to humane amounts. The numbers may be bad but you get the idea. I'd happily sign for that.

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Force all the low-activity players to try making conversation and force all the over-posters to be economic lol. It might be good for the community to experience that maybe. I've definitely felt my posting become less economic and reader-friendly over time.

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Originally Posted by yzb25

I haven't read the whole game so I'm sorry if I'm intruding / missing something critical. A permanent post cap would be pretty extreme, but I think playing a game with an intentionally restrictive post cap placed on players known to be very active (like 20 posts per day, lifted at EOD) and a demanding minimum post count on players known to be low activity (like 40 posts per day) would be very refreshing and insightful for people trying to adjust their activity to humane amounts. The numbers may be bad but you get the idea. I'd happily sign for that.

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Couldn’t agree more. I think what needs to happen is we need to test some of our ideas in games.
What do you think of the idea of imposing a minimum on the number of words in a post?

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Originally Posted by Ganelon

Couldn’t agree more. I think what needs to happen is we need to test some of our ideas in games.
What do you think of the idea of imposing a minimum on the number of words in a post?

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Ugh, who likes reading wall posts? Raise your hand if you like reading wall posts

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Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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Originally Posted by aamirus

like all the other suggestions, this encourages less activity. I genuinely feel like the people caring the most, spend the most time playing, and post the most etc etc. Is there no way to satisfy that demographic? Does everything have to be about encouraging people to barely play at all?

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this uwu.i just think we should PL the lurkers.as beenckle said, raisethe bar on ur townreads

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Originally Posted by SuperJack

I care. I just can't give at much time because I have a job where I can't sit down and doss on the internet.
Also my wife and baby require attention.
It's fine asking people to be active. But some people have lives. And it's unreasonable to expect everyone to be like you or play like you.

I don't understand why people assume high post count=better game/better player. It makes the game difficult and unfun to read. You complain people don't put in enough, but you forget how difficult it is to jump back into a game after a sleep or work too find you have over 500 posts to read through, analysis and post context on, on top of still having to remain active to keep up with the instant chat like content being posted every minute.

And then you wonder why people don't partake as much.

You need to lower your expectations and get better at analysis content, so then you don't need to have so much of it.

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inthat insanity game, ilegit had trouble keeping up uwu. i wasn't justmaking an excuse to coast as cum owo

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

inthat insanity game, ilegit had trouble keeping up uwu. i wasn't justmaking an excuse to coast as cum owo

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oh, and changing thenightless feature gives ppl time to catchup uwu

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Originally Posted by naz

Hey aamirus. I was using multiple quote replies a lot this game so using post count isn't something I think you should use to judge quality of play. If I had single replied, my post count would be higher. Marshall also did too. SJ posted every day and it was enough in his posts to show him not solving anymore which is what gave it away to me. It was your slot, which was afk for a complete day, that just confused the heck outta me and made it so hard not to angleshoot ;_;

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gudpoint uvu. damn,so many things to consider in an FM game. can't even take post countsfor granted

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

this uwu.i just think we should PL the lurkers.as beenckle said, raisethe bar on ur townreads

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Hard to PL lurkers when they are given as pass so often. "Scum would care more here" or "they are not caring, which is a town trait" is often argued

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Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Ugh, who likes reading wall posts? Raise your hand if you like reading wall posts

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me uwu

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Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Hard to PL lurkers when they are given as pass so often. "Scum would care more here" or "they are not caring, which is a town trait" is often argued

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ye uwu.idek at this point owo

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Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Ugh, who likes reading wall posts? Raise your hand if you like reading wall posts

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Me. As a mobile user it makes it incredibly easy for me and more fun to address and analysis, or tear apart a wallpost.

The only ones I don't like are where they contain loads of unhidden quotes.

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Originally Posted by Ganelon

Couldn’t agree more. I think what needs to happen is we need to test some of our ideas in games.
What do you think of the idea of imposing a minimum on the number of words in a post?

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In the context of that post's idea, certainly. I think such a thing is basically necessary for the group with the post cap or the whole thing would be much less meaningful lol.

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Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Ugh, who likes reading wall posts? Raise your hand if you like reading wall posts

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errr

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Originally Posted by BananaCucho

Ugh, who likes reading wall posts? Raise your hand if you like reading wall posts

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I love wall posts

You guys are gross.

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Originally Posted by BananaCucho

You guys are gross.

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+1

One reason i dont play anymore is having to sift through hundreds of shitposts that people believe are not shitposts. I then shitpost, with the intent of shitposting, and then have to make real posts on top of the shitposts. Its a vicious circle of chasing our own tails and not very fun sorry not sorry

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Originally Posted by blinkskater

One reason i dont play anymore is having to sift through hundreds of shitposts that people believe are not shitposts. I then shitpost, with the intent of shitposting, and then have to make real posts on top of the shitposts. Its a vicious circle of chasing our own tails and not very fun sorry not sorry

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owono u. uwu