What, are we not allowed to re-read the game during night time regardless of any alignment?
I reread the thread on my main account.
December 1st, 2016, 05:38 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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I'm pretty sure I was everybody's next in line lol
Are you on your tablet again?
December 1st, 2016, 05:40 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Are you on your tablet again?
No I'm sitting at my computer for the time being
December 1st, 2016, 05:42 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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No I'm sitting at my computer for the time being
Was just curious if you were on your tablet or not, which may affect your ability to quickly scan a thread and make a proper post.
Do you mind making an updated readlist for the early Day 2?
December 1st, 2016, 05:43 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
Finally stopped procrastinating, woo. Decided to ISO Pink. Fucking hell though, 117 posts. This post is literally just dumping all the quotes that I found relevant.
It's not even doing that right because I only got to #751 before I got so bored that I decided to just show this now. I might actually make a read based on this next, but I am also lazy and can't be arsed so don't expect me to.
Spoiler : POSTS :
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[to Purple's entrance] how many times did you rehearse this before posting? it REEKS of human feces
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[to Purple] You should really refrain from roleplaying. Roleplaying is the easiest thing to mimic. The fact that you didn't consider this is alarming
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[to Red, referring to lynching quiet people] No counter here. That would be a decent strategy for SK. Would make sense for it to use it's one kill to eliminate someone who is vocal
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[to Red] This reads really fake, like you're pretending that you don't know so that it distances you from SK. There are literally two rolecards, please tell me put in at least that much effort into reading the setup.
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[about Purple] au contraire, it makes them easier because they have a forced persona. The SK talking as ANYONE will have a forced persona, so it'll be easy for it to blend in. On the other hand, we will be more easily to tell apart TRUE and HONEST speech patterns.
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Orange & Green are Townies.
Yellow is Town lean.
Red is borderline.
Purple is trying hard to look Town, but I think it can hurt us (unpopular opinion, I know).
Those are the only people in this game right? I don't remember anyone else.
that being said, i'm all caught up :D
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[about Orange? Not sure here] why would scum unally themselves with everyone on day 1? seems like a risky strategy.
not saying it's impossible, just don't see the benefit towards a 1-man scum team.
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Orange is town read because his participation so far has been to the benefit of town, and he is pointing out things regarding the setup; while that can easily be done as scum to fake participation, it seems like it'd be an easy way to fuck yourself as SK. Also, it helps ensure that the SK strategies are explored. I can read back & quote if you want, but I literally read 100 posts in like 5-10 mins, so might take me a min or two to find them again.
Purple is basically null, but I am extremely biased against roleplaying. Especially in a game with Disguiser. For all I know, they're roleplaying so that when they Disguise and STOP roleplaying, we can't be like "omg that guy is who purple was". Because the victim isn't going to become some fake victorian character over night.
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[also about Orange with the first part being directed at Red] What? You don't like my reasoning, but then don't want me to quote myself to reinforce my reasoning? You really make your pressure on me look extremely fake, and that you didn't really care. Are you just not pushing it so the attention is brought on you? Or what? I don't understand.
Here are some posts for the people who actually care about people's reads. These are a few things that I enjoyed him saying, and that I am not sure someone the in SK would be publicly exploring.
Keeps window open on a player that I personally think would be easy to disguise as. Just say words like thee and thou and tis every sentence regardless if it is correct or not. Let's not close the book on someone this early in the game. Especially since it's d1 and they could START as SK.
Exploring other options; this helps Town discuss and gets more opinions in the game. If someone's opinion changes throughout the game on various action, then this is a tell.
Reinforcing the setup to get discussion out. Although, once again, there are TWO roles in the game. Every SHOULD know what the SK can do, but I still do appreciate the discussion regarding the potential of the SK doing it, and maybe we should explore what we should do to look out for these situations?
I mean, he's trying to provoke thought, which I see as trying to come up with a strategy.
And then there are posts like this where he is asking for someones reads on their reads on someone's actions. It's definitely helpful. Regardless if he's Town or not, I'd say he's more beneficial to us alive at this point.
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To be honest, Red is reacting quite well under this pressure. Not only is he getting a healthy amount of defensiveness, he adds points against someone else. This may seem like redirection, but it's classified differently while under pressure. However, I'd like to see more reads from Red about someone other than Orange.
Red, what do you think of Yellow?
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
[to Red] hmm? why would your reads be a dumb reason? unless u r making up fake reasons, nothing is dumb.. just give an honest opinion on players, maybe a single quote or two to back up what you're saying.
PS ISO is the art of taking posts out of context
you need to use quotes to strengthen your argument && not base your argument around quotes
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[to Red; about Yellow] please provide evidence of this "tone" he uses
please provide evidence of his "sheeping"
I want to see the posts that make you think these things, to make sure your read is legitimate and not just made up
I think Yellow is underwhelming, possibly laying low. but I don't think that would be the strategy of a disguiser. esp on d1.
I would ithink most disgusers would be flamoboyant. I mean, tmr they likely wont be themselves, so whats the point in not participating? I guess I could see people being 2much pussies to fully participate at the risk of embarrassing loosing on d1 but that is the name of this game. to be quiet frank I am looking at the people who are pushing the lynches the most because of this belief. best way to stay alive as sk would be to be the only controlling the lynch
thats why I don't really like purple and blue seems to be falliong into this cookie cutter character as well.
I could dislike green for the same reason mayb but I have town read on green atm for reasons stated before
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oh nvm I see how you said it now
I have poor reading comprehension some days
well if the usual things r not in this game, how do u propose we scum hunt? or are you just going 2 rely on others.
im against a d1 lynch in this setup which is why I'm just chatting & questioning things. we will most likely lynch a town today, n we don't really have the numbers for that. a kill/disguise will offer us the info we need to formulate logical arguments and provide evdence
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[to Blue] you are being overly critical for a day 1 vanilla game with 0 evidence. way to forceful.
the only logical reason I can see for pushing so hard on players is because you are trying to control the direction of discussion & encouraging a lynch on players other than urself.
sure you could argue that u r being beneficial to town by encouraging discussion, but I don't find most things you say to be helpful. seems like you're pressuring for the sake of looking like you're pressuring.
if you read the post, you'd understand
"I would ithink most disgusers would be flamoboyant."
"tmr they likely wont be themselves, so whats the point in not participating?"
"to be quiet frank I am looking at the people who are pushing the lynches "
"best way to stay alive as sk would be to be the only controlling the lynch"
literally ez sentences. and my description of how I imagine the SK would act matches you to a TEE
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wow anyone else notice that I am purple's scum read, and I'm also the only person who has been questioning purple lol
purple please elaborate on ur read. where have I been lacking substance
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[to Blue] what are you talking about? every post your make is controlling discussion. look at this post, you ended it with controlling the discussion about you to turn it onto me. you literally deny doing something you are doing in the same post
what did I claim I am doing.
I also never said you can't pressure people hard, but it makes u look like a try-hard.
can you even explain your vote on red
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Ok blue, let's start at the beginning.
post one, casting shade on everyone. not illegitimate, but redirecting any attention on you back to your voters. This is you directing discussion & votes away from you onto others.
Actually read on this? every thing you say is just direction attention onto other players, and not really ever addressing things yourself. I understand you may not have been pressured a lot, but your reaction to me questioning you was total redirection away from yourself. I mean, I appreciate your participation in the day chat, but you and purple are in an optimal position for SK to be. albeit, purple moreso than you, but would like to see you participate in discussion where you DON'T have accusations in your posts. EVERY POST IS ACCUSING SOMEONE ELSE. It's annoying and gives us absolutely 0 reads on your and only accomplishes making us turn our heads towards someone else.
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[to Purple] That is retarded. I point out someone who makes EVERYONE (except you, so I understand the dick sucking) to be vile, and I'm accused of doing the same thing to ONE person. lol are you even reading? I mean, you lack of understanding this thread is almost a town read
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I'm not misdirecting anything towards blue. I am a questioning a player that all other players are choosing to ignore.
I'm just wondering, though, how are you qualified to speak for Blue? How do you know why he's doing anything he's doing? You can't tell me my opinion is wrong by offering your opinion lol... Look at every post where he is "questioning people for extreme claims".. even when he accepts their answer, he has to follow up with throwing shade onto the person or another person. It's always pushing forward, which makes it so players don't question him. This is how I see it, so I stop and question him. You think it's scummy to question someone who isn't being questioned? great logic there
I am not pushing anything, I am simply offering my opinions. Do you see a vote? Do you see me trying to get other votes? Cause I sure don't.
Let me get this straight, though... I accuse Blue of something, and you turn around and accuse me of the same thing? but not Blue? Hmm OK. TBH that's kind of funny, because it's the second time you accuse me of such a thing: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post655140
How is that I am scummy for questioning Blue, but when Blue does it he's Town? Take his dick outta your mouth for a minute and actually look at the situation
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[to Purple] pls tell me this was a joking comment, or used to flush ppl out. policy lynch sounds like the worst plan. i understand he was replaced, but even before that omg no
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[also to Purple] Is this post seriously refusing to give logical backing to their statement, AND threatening to place Red @ L-1 in the same post? Really?
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[about Blue] Yea, it's definitely there. Almost seems like every answer to any pressure contains an accusation on someone else or OMGUS. Looks like a technique to subtly draw attention away from themselves in the conversation.
It's also troubling that you straight up ask Purple to explain how you're "parroting" and her response has nothing to do with that.
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This is basically saying you think Red is Town, yet you're voting them?
What.... why would we waste a Town REGARDLESS of your opinion on them.
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good quote, you seem really flustered
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No, it's literally what you said. Nothing is being taken out of context.
You state that you were voting someone, possibly lynching (you seem angry saying it's almost against the rules, so you probably thought it would hammer), because they are "detrimental". Not because you think they are SK, but because you think their opinion is different from yours... How is that EVER pro-town? Especially in a game with such small numbers.
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He also didn't have the "S-FM". Even if it was in vote tags, i wouldn't have counted.
Plus, games have been WON using that technique. The fact that you're so butthurt for falling for it paints you in a bad light.
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Yea, good point. Orange easily could've done it, and purples attempt to hammer should be seen with the same logic. They thought they were going to hammer (you can see by their anger), and then would disguise.
-vote S-FM Purple Masquerader
I know I said I would rather no-vote today, but this is pretty damning.
Orange = Non SK currently
Purple = Highly SK leaning
Another point against Purple is that they are doing their shit roleplay so that we can't pick up their speech habits when they disguise as someone else.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
Yea, Hammer -> Disguise is definitely a good move.
Except, it does confirm who the SK was originally and we can look for their speech patterns. Still a good move to make, but does make them weaker in later game.
If this was done on a LYLO, Orange would be the fucking champ.
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i guess my last response to you is true, it is just yet another statement you make with nothing to back it up
yea i wouldn't mind some posts of your claims so i have something to actually respond to
why wouldn't i want to "strike dead" someone who i have thought has been scummy the entire game and then tried to quick hammer someone?
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
Yea, it's definitely there. Almost seems like every answer to any pressure contains an accusation on someone else or OMGUS. Looks like a technique to subtly draw attention away from themselves in the conversation.
It's also troubling that you straight up ask Purple to explain how you're "parroting" and her response has nothing to do with that.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
This is basically saying you think Red is Town, yet you're voting them?
What.... why would we waste a Town REGARDLESS of your opinion on them.
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good quote, you seem really flustered
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No, it's literally what you said. Nothing is being taken out of context.
You state that you were voting someone, possibly lynching (you seem angry saying it's almost against the rules, so you probably thought it would hammer), because they are "detrimental". Not because you think they are SK, but because you think their opinion is different from yours... How is that EVER pro-town? Especially in a game with such small numbers.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
He also didn't have the "S-FM". Even if it was in vote tags, i wouldn't have counted.
Plus, games have been WON using that technique. The fact that you're so butthurt for falling for it paints you in a bad light.
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Yea, good point. Orange easily could've done it, and purples attempt to hammer should be seen with the same logic. They thought they were going to hammer (you can see by their anger), and then would disguise.
-vote S-FM Purple Masquerader
I know I said I would rather no-vote today, but this is pretty damning.
Orange = Non SK currently
Purple = Highly SK leaning
Another point against Purple is that they are doing their shit roleplay so that we can't pick up their speech habits when they disguise as someone else.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
Yea, Hammer -> Disguise is definitely a good move.
Except, it does confirm who the SK was originally and we can look for their speech patterns. Still a good move to make, but does make them weaker in later game.
If this was done on a LYLO, Orange would be the fucking champ.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
What does this even mean? Are you saying that me pushing pressure on the person I voted is a scum tell?
Also, if you think I'm "skating by", I would really appreciate your ISO on myself to back up your case. i was vocal against a lynch today, because I feel that we will have a much higher chance of winning with +1 town member tomorrow. but then you tried to quick hammer Red. and don't try to deny it, you thought it was going to be a hammer. you DID try to kill him. your reaction to the day not ending wouldn't have been "that should be against the rules" & "orange faked his vote", ect. That is the response of someone who thought they were about the end the day short. There is no fucking way that any sane pro-Town person would do this.
try to defend your attempted hammer on Red, i dare you.
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Sorry, worst vote.
Orange is literally the only person that 100% should not be voted today.
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This is a fair read on me, and you're right that I am being "careful" (for lack of a better word) on day 1. im just really against most reasons for a d1 lynch in a game where the entire premise is based on speech patterns changing from day-to-day. i think it's incredibly risky to lynch someone day 1, because all of the reasons against most of the players have been sooo shitty.
my plan of attack has been to wait until day 2, when I can look at posts from prior days to determine who might be SK, whose attitude has changed, whose opinions have changed, ect. It's true that I am kind of sitting back today, just offering my opinions without really "pushing" anyone. And yes, I see how that can be seen as scummy to some people, but
Obviously Purple changed that, and he is literally the only person I will vote today unless someone straight up claims SK.
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No worries, why would you asking this piss me off lol
I have a scum read because they are providing nothing to the game. They make tons of facts & opinions, but as soon as you ask her to explain you get "i'll do it later" or "you'll find out soon" or she just blatantly ignores you. It's frustrating and extremely un-pro town. This had given me a slight scum read on her, enough to question things she does and pressure her.
Then when I combine this with the fact that she is hiding her honest speech patterns, i find it more troubling. We do not know how Purple truly acts because they hide behind their roleplay. This allows her to disguise and stop roleplaying. Just imagine it: If Purple is SK and disguises today, what would you look for in people to pinpoint her? Do you expect her to continue saying twas and tis and thy? No, of course not. Her acting that way only benefits her if she was SK, and it hurts the rest of us. This increases her scum read.
Then, she tries to end day 1/2 way through to quickhammer someone. Then tries to deny that she did, because she "saw the fake vote". However, look at her posts after she tried to. They are not of someone who "saw the fake vote", and she is lying. She was legit made and embarrassed about it, and then resulted in flailing. It looks as though she knew she was fucked, and rightly so after how she has played lol.
That is my read on Purple.
As for the Jester comment, I was just pointing out that it is shitty unhelpful play by relating the two. I am not stating that she is playing like a Forum Mafia Jester.
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I haven't read the reasoning yet on Yellow, but I think it's pretty fucked up to say I'm SK over and over with 0 evidence, then switch vote to another person when I didn't even defend myself (since no argument against me provided by her).
Doesn't make sense, seems opportunistic. I'll confirm my read once I get to that point, though.
December 1st, 2016, 05:44 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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I do have a player in mind who may be disguised. But honestly I'm not really wanting to discuss it at this moment as I would feel more comfortable making accusations after I've heard from everyone.
I would be amazed if you correctly found the disguiser with this few of posts in the day, like MVP worthy
I'm not even going to bother post comparisons until people get like 20 posts. I downloaded the thread the other day and tried to organize it on a spreadsheet. Hopefully it'll be easy to read & compare in this format.
December 1st, 2016, 05:46 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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I downloaded the thread the other day and tried to organize it on a spreadsheet. Hopefully it'll be easy to read & compare in this format.
This is a thing?!
December 1st, 2016, 05:46 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
In fact I am so lazy that I'm just going to say that I think Pink has been quite reasonable and I haven't noticed any glaring inconsistencies or errors in his posts. I can't say the same for Blue (see the multiple arguments I have had with Blue for evidence)
So on the surface, I would lean towards Blue being the scum of the two. However I still need to actually analyse Pink. I don't want to risk being out-played by scum!Pink because he's more level-headed than Blue.
December 1st, 2016, 05:47 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
Was just curious if you were on your tablet or not, which may affect your ability to quickly scan a thread and make a proper post.
Do you mind making an updated readlist for the early Day 2?
Yessir I can
December 1st, 2016, 05:50 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
I'd copy/paste the download but it has my IRL dates, so it's against rules to share
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In fact I am so lazy that I'm just going to say that I think Pink has been quite reasonable and I haven't noticed any glaring inconsistencies or errors in his posts. I can't say the same for Blue (see the multiple arguments I have had with Blue for evidence)
So on the surface, I would lean towards Blue being the scum of the two. However I still need to actually analyse Pink. I don't want to risk being out-played by scum!Pink because he's more level-headed than Blue.
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Was just curious if you were on your tablet or not, which may affect your ability to quickly scan a thread and make a proper post.
Do you mind making an updated readlist for the early Day 2?
shows like this. i can't download on this account, though o.O
December 1st, 2016, 05:53 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
Boys, I know that fiddling around with technology is nice but can we focus on Pink here? Orange, you are VOTING him for fuck's sake - what about the posts that I have quoted are scummy to you?
I don't see anything that bad in that ISO tbh.
December 1st, 2016, 05:55 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
Although I can't help but wonder if Pink is the type of scum to go to the length of keeping a record of EVERY SINGLE POST IN THE GAME to find inconsistencies. That would be a LOT of effort for SK to make and since scum!Pink would know that nobody else would actually be inconsistent, it would only draw attention to himself.
So this dumb discussion wasn't totally useless.
December 1st, 2016, 05:57 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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[Post 1009]
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Auteur? That's for the film industry, author is about writing!
December 1st, 2016, 06:08 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
Still waiting for any kind of Pink discussion, especially you Orange.
I don't quite see anything absolutely discriminating Day 2 just yet, but I did discuss day 1 about them "lagging behind" on discussion which I found to be a rather strange thing.
December 1st, 2016, 06:15 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
Well the reason that I provided all of those quotes was so that people can read and see if they find anything bad.
Right now I think the case against Blue is stronger. Someone who might be deliberately keeping themselves behind the game (which isn't applicable to half of his posts in any case) doesn't strike me as strong enough to override that imo.
Now that it's extremely likely that the SK didn't disguise, that is.
December 1st, 2016, 06:17 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
My order of scummiest to Towniest is as follows:
Yellow ► Blue ► Red ► Orange
Now, this is based on what I REMEMBER so far. I will try to do a d2 ISO (shivers, i hate ISOs) on players and give a further opinion, but this is a free hand opinion on what I think of players:
Yellow: Yellow today so far has been underwhelming and acting in absolutes. Seems to be acting under the suspicion that Green was SK; to me, I feel that the SK would be wanting to convince us of either situation (disguiser or non-disguised kill).
Possible situations for Yellow telling us Green disguised.
A) An SK tries to convince us it's a disguised kill when he DID disguise kill. The outcome to this would be that we would not suspect the SK be the one to accuse Green of actually disguising.
B) An SK tries to convince us it's a disguised kill when he DIDN'T disguise kill. This can confuse it for the day was we look at people who he disguised as, as we would be expecting the following night to be a no-disguise even though it would be impossible.
Yellow honestly would be a DECENT target for the SK to disguise as, because he didn't post to much AND was replaced. This would make reading hard. However, that is not a read against him and should not be used against him at all. It is only my pointing out a possibility.
Personally, I would like to hear his opinion on why he thinks Green was disguiser. 1, it would help us get a read on him. 2, this game is frustrating enough with everyone keeping their opinion to themselves.
It's not that I have any factual evidence against Yellow (as this is based all on memory, and no post quotes), he just gives me a bad feeling in this game.
Blue:
So far today, Blue has a Town Read compared to yesterday. While someone could be like "omg well that's different from yesterday, isn't that a sign of him being disguised?" Green was pretty distinctive in posting, and I don't see that at all in blue. Plus, Blue has kept his basic reads, but lost his drive in pressure and his hostility. However, situations change from day to day, and point of day, so that isn't really a point against him. Mainly he falls as my second scummiest person mainly because of how he acted day 1, and that I have stronger town reads on Red and Orange than I do on him. The only "scum" point I have against him today that is new is that the fact that he calmed down since yesterday COULD be a sign of someone trying to lay low and appeal to everyone to avoid a the lynch today. I definitely think Blue needs to have a close eye on him, but this is not a reason to vote him or want to vote him.
Red:
Red is still a town read to me. Unless he is a pure sociopath IRL, I doubt he is the SK. He has demonstrated d1 his townness to me by having similar opinions as I do (Town having Town opinion), so and his character never changed. He was true to himself, which is very impressive within 200 posts. He would be my #1 Town read if it wasn't for actions by Orange. Red is still the same person as Yesterday, due to activity, pressure, intentions, ect, so I don't feel comfortable voting him. If I am wrong about this and Red no-killed n1, then fuck. Red will not be receiving my vote today unless he slips horribly or outright claims SK.
Orange:
To be honest, Orange hasn't really done much pro-town stuff, and he could be a good person to be SK. But after yesterday when he all but confirmed himself to be Town by faking put someone at L-1, and not hammering my true #1 town read. I feel from yesterday, his opinions haven't changed at all. He still has acted the same, posted the same frequency and length of posts, and had the same opinions. I mean, this is so far, I'm still not 100% sure because it's so short in the day. I'm hoping when I do an ISO on him later in the day, this confirms this for me. But, like Red, I don't see myself voting for Orange unless something really crazy stands out.
Conclusion:
Yellow is my main read this early into the day, but I really don't have much to go on for reads on him. This is likely leading to a bias against him, or possibly even a fear that I don't know much about him. This isn't an intention to vote him at all, and I don't think he really deserves the pressure. Especially as someone who replaced in, he deserves the time to participate and prove himself and not have to be on the defensive the entire day. But, Yellow is definitely so far the best person to be disguised as if the SK disguised (due to activity, and difficulty to read due to multiple people on their account).
December 1st, 2016, 06:18 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
Boys, I know that fiddling around with technology is nice but can we focus on Pink here? Orange, you are VOTING him for fuck's sake - what about the posts that I have quoted are scummy to you?
I don't see anything that bad in that ISO tbh.
Sorry, I was typing :(
December 1st, 2016, 06:21 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
Although I can't help but wonder if Pink is the type of scum to go to the length of keeping a record of EVERY SINGLE POST IN THE GAME to find inconsistencies. That would be a LOT of effort for SK to make and since scum!Pink would know that nobody else would actually be inconsistent, it would only draw attention to himself.
So this dumb discussion wasn't totally useless.
LOL Fair point, but why would I have admitted that I kept these records if that's the true purpose I was using them for.
It's not that much work. Just filtering & using find-function
December 1st, 2016, 06:22 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
LOL Fair point, but why would I have admitted that I kept these records if that's the true purpose I was using them for.
It's not that much work. Just filtering & using find-function
Do you keep the records on the tablet too?
December 1st, 2016, 06:23 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
I am naturally an impatient person so the fact that you actually were working on a wall-post is fine.
The main part that I disagree with is Yellow. That's because I don't think the SK disguised anymore. None of the players have bad spelling and Green had awful spelling and kept up the bad spelling for way too long for it to be fake imo. So that's why I am looking at you and Blue since I think you two are the most likely to do something like disguise-kill Green for WIFOM/ for a complex strategy as SK.
I have not properly read your wall-post so I will flag up any other points of disagreement/ concerns with it later on. Bit worn out from RL atm so am lagging :P
December 1st, 2016, 06:24 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
LOL Fair point, but why would I have admitted that I kept these records if that's the true purpose I was using them for.
It's not that much work. Just filtering & using find-function
Yeah but you'd have to show your results and if you were scum, they would naturally come out as "everyone else is super-consistent" which thus makes you look bad for not being consistent, no? Just what I think anyway.
December 1st, 2016, 06:24 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
i just reread my read on Orange and would like to clarify. While I say he hasn't done much pro-town stuff (like hard pressuring, ect), his lack of doing this that would be something an SK would do 99.9% of the time basically clears him in a game when you can disguise away.
December 1st, 2016, 06:25 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
Do you keep the records on the tablet too?
why do you keep mentioning tablet? did i mention I was on a tablet? I mean, I was on it at one point, but I don't remember saying so.
I post often from phone, but not tablet.
December 1st, 2016, 06:25 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
To answer the question, no it's only on 2 different PCs
December 1st, 2016, 06:27 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
Yeah but you'd have to show your results and if you were scum, they would naturally come out as "everyone else is super-consistent" which thus makes you look bad for not being consistent, no? Just what I think anyway.
Not exactly. It could just mean that the SK didn't disguise, so players are consistent.
But yes, it would draw a lot of attention to myself.
December 1st, 2016, 06:27 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
why do you keep mentioning tablet? did i mention I was on a tablet? I mean, I was on it at one point, but I don't remember saying so.
I post often from phone, but not tablet.
I was hoping you'd say yes, so I could draw a bullshit argument of you having a phone and not a tablet.
December 1st, 2016, 06:29 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
I was hoping you'd say yes, so I could draw a bullshit argument of you having a phone and not a tablet.
lol dude, you focus on the weirdest shit all the bloody time sometimes.
December 1st, 2016, 06:30 PM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
I was hoping you'd say yes, so I could draw a bullshit argument of you having a phone and not a tablet.
lol but i do have a tablet, so i don't really understand this
December 1st, 2016, 06:31 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
lol but i do have a tablet, so i don't really understand this
This is a disguiser game, even the smallest inconsistency is worth gold.
December 1st, 2016, 06:34 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
This is a disguiser game, even the smallest inconsistency is worth gold.
You are too hilarious to be the SK.
^^best read 2k16
It's so funny that I'm dying of laughter. For my last will, I'd like you to comment on Pink's wall-post plz.
RIP me.
December 1st, 2016, 06:43 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
It's so funny that I'm dying of laughter. For my last will, I'd like you to comment on Pink's wall-post plz.
Not at the moment as I'll be off now.
December 1st, 2016, 10:31 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
I wanted to wait for orange. O.O
Anyways let's keep it simple shall we? Pink was my next in line, blue is the only person so far who seems to have a shift in personality... I found green to be a little cocky and kind of an attention whore. I'm getting that vibe from blue as of the moment
what do you mean when you say a shift in personality? and what do you mean when you say attention whore?
and why you dodged answering my question about what I asked you yesterday about green?
December 1st, 2016, 10:37 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
I Don't want bullshit.
My personality is changed - and Green was an attention whore are two fucking separate not related by default points and I can't see any kinds of logical or even emotional background to the crap that is being told about me right now. Make your point clear enough to let me respond or get lost kindly.
December 1st, 2016, 10:39 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
I'm pretty sure I was everybody's next in line lol
what
what in yesterday made you feel like that? cause it seems wrong
December 1st, 2016, 10:45 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
In fact I am so lazy that I'm just going to say that I think Pink has been quite reasonable and I haven't noticed any glaring inconsistencies or errors in his posts. I can't say the same for Blue (see the multiple arguments I have had with Blue for evidence)
So on the surface, I would lean towards Blue being the scum of the two. However I still need to actually analyse Pink. I don't want to risk being out-played by scum!Pink because he's more level-headed than Blue.
hopefully your not the one who is measuring being reasonable in RL.
I made my case about you when I was pushing you. respect me the same way to make your case against me - as for winning a mafia game town needs to find a way to understand each other and cooperate, even more than hunting scum. I tried to understand you - its your turn now
December 1st, 2016, 10:54 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
will surgery pink's read list soon , my first impression is pink is more cheesy today.
first regarding me
Quote:
Blue:
So far today, Blue has a Town Read compared to yesterday. While someone could be like "omg well that's different from yesterday, isn't that a sign of him being disguised?" Green was pretty distinctive in posting, and I don't see that at all in blue. Plus, Blue has kept his basic reads, but lost his drive in pressure and his hostility. However, situations change from day to day, and point of day, so that isn't really a point against him. Mainly he falls as my second scummiest person mainly because of how he acted day 1, and that I have stronger town reads on Red and Orange than I do on him. The only "scum" point I have against him today that is new is that the fact that he calmed down since yesterday COULD be a sign of someone trying to lay low and appeal to everyone to avoid a the lynch today. I definitely think Blue needs to have a close eye on him, but this is not a reason to vote him or want to vote him.
I was calm yesterday. I've never voted or pushed anyone out of anger. I never voted red because he/she insulted me if thats what your refering to as me being agressive. I've been called for being agressivly defensive for my personality before - and if your reffering to my defenses, there was no push on me today - to test me being same way defensiveness so I like to ask you were is that impression coming from?
December 1st, 2016, 11:16 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
@ pink
what was your idea about yellow day 1?
yellow already told a reason forhim believing why green was the sk. what do you think about that?
why you had red as town yesterday?
can you explain what do you mean when you say Orange didn't make so many protown stuff? what is doing protown stuff?
December 2nd, 2016, 04:29 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
I'm going to put aside my whole case on red. I think was wrong.
I'm going to go with this that "Green was the SK, not a kill". Green was the only person who didn't stay logged in to see Ice posting the lynch result after hammering purple to kill discussion after me declaring an intent and asking for reads , Green was buddying me on red cause that would make the game muddy as shit.
Can you walk me through (in as much detail as you can) what precisely made you change your mind on me? I don't want "Green is SK so you have to be town" reasoning. If you think Green is SK then you have to have seen SOME townie motivation in my posts and I would like to hear this reasoning.
If you have none then I'm going to ask you to reread my posts. Either way I am going to get an answer that isn't solely "I think someone else is the killer" logic.
December 2nd, 2016, 07:29 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
what
what in yesterday made you feel like that? cause it seems wrong
You, Green, Purple, Yellow, Orange all said that they'd consider lynching me, although no one offered a case (likely cause attention was on somewhere else).
I'm sure Red said it somewhere, too.
December 2nd, 2016, 07:38 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
will surgery pink's read list soon , my first impression is pink is more cheesy today.
first regarding me
I was calm yesterday. I've never voted or pushed anyone out of anger. I never voted red because he/she insulted me if thats what your refering to as me being agressive. I've been called for being agressivly defensive for my personality before - and if your reffering to my defenses, there was no push on me today - to test me being same way defensiveness so I like to ask you were is that impression coming from?
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
Hey moron. shut the fuck up or I will shut you up, k? I'm not the person your going to insult and live happily ever after. K? Understand that,
again I read your posts. I read all your posts. Your the one who is not reading my post. You buddied me and green hidden;y asked for the L1 vote on purple. advertising her lynch without claiming a direct scumread on her - as your confused about her actions. thats what you did there,
I am useful. you need to be as useful as I am or your fucked if your town. thats not even discussable in my pov and I have no idea why your going that way about it.
Bitch! I'm goving you my scumread because you didn't announce your purple scumread.I asked "why didn't you vote" without looking at VC. I clarified in my next post that I'm not talking about voting. I have problem with you staying in shadow pretednding your trying to read someone but you are despratly trying to achive a hammer there.
and you are flipping back to your bullshit crap misrepresentation of what I'm saying.
oh , and shut the fuck up. I'm not going to fall for your ATE,
That's the not being calm part.
And it's just not true. It's not even being defensive. You would react with hostility to any questioning directed at you, even if it was without suspicious. Today, you're not doing that kind of stuff. Like, my read on you that I just posted would've had a response of you basically voting me if it was yesterday.
If you don't think your demeanor is different from yesterday, then that's kind of strange. Seriously, if you look @ day 1, every post is you questioning someone or pressuring them. I don't see that kind of effort today vs yesterday, especially when it comes to pressuring people.
December 2nd, 2016, 07:50 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
@ pink
what was your idea about yellow day 1?
yellow already told a reason forhim believing why green was the sk. what do you think about that?
why you had red as town yesterday?
can you explain what do you mean when you say Orange didn't make so many protown stuff? what is doing protown stuff?
I really didn't manage to form any actual opinion on yellow from d1. He was a very null read, and doesn't seem to be online when I'm on ever. I don't think I have ever actually had a conversation with him the entire first day that I can remember.
Where does Yellow say his reasoning for believing Green was SK? Only things I saw was "He is SK and disguised because I thought he was SK yesterday."
This is his explanation of Green that I found:
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Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
I highly suspect green was the SK that disguised.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
Uh... obviously I think green was the SK... I think that's obvious
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Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
If you're talking to me I swear you really aren't following.. yesterday I said I thought green was SK. Today I said I think Green disguised because he is SK and I would presume that SK would want to save their one time no disguise kill. HENCE BECAUSE GREEN DISGUISED HE SHOWED UP AS A CIT.
Really 0 reasoning other than "Green was SK because he was SK".
I would really like him to start explaining this:
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Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
I do have a player in mind who may be disguised. But honestly I'm not really wanting to discuss it at this moment as I would feel more comfortable making accusations after I've heard from everyone.
I had a Town read on Red because his posts have the same outlook as the way I think. He does a good job and keep pressuring on every player he interacts with, not really tunneling as he kept his options open, and responded logically to questioning. Sure, he was obviously defensive, but players will get defensive when 2-3 people are questioning them at once. Also, I've been in his situation before where you explain stuff but no one is really comprehending it and you literally feel like you're going insane; the way he reacted to that type of situation is how I would react in his position as a Town player.
Red also hasn't done anything that stands out as non-town to me. These are the reasons why I said if Red ends up being the SK, then he is literally a sociopath.
I just don't recall very much input from Orange for most of d1. I don't recall him in depth questioning anyone or offering his ideas, only questioning other's statements and facts. But he still gains major town points for not hammering people multiple times, and reaction testing Purple with that fake vote.
December 2nd, 2016, 07:51 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Also, Green did not disguise as Blue. Blue is still Blue, I realized from these last posts.
Formation of questions and bluntness of sentences is extremely similar d1 & d2.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:18 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Quote:
Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
You, Green, Purple, Yellow, Orange all said that they'd consider lynching me, although no one offered a case (likely cause attention was on somewhere else).
I'm sure Red said it somewhere, too.
Just to clarify, I don't think I ever said that I would lynch you on D1. I know that I said "I think Orange/ Purple make an interesting point when they say that Pink is too calm/ staying above the fray" or whatever but that is not the same thing.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
That's the not being calm part.
And it's just not true. It's not even being defensive. You would react with hostility to any questioning directed at you, even if it was without suspicious. Today, you're not doing that kind of stuff. Like, my read on you that I just posted would've had a response of you basically voting me if it was yesterday.
If you don't think your demeanor is different from yesterday, then that's kind of strange. Seriously, if you look @ day 1, every post is you questioning someone or pressuring them. I don't see that kind of effort today vs yesterday, especially when it comes to pressuring people.
I agree with your reasoning, but I have concluded something different. Making this point to elaborate on later when Blue responds as I would like to see her reaction to the new posts.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
I really didn't manage to form any actual opinion on yellow from d1. He was a very null read, and doesn't seem to be online when I'm on ever. I don't think I have ever actually had a conversation with him the entire first day that I can remember.
Where does Yellow say his reasoning for believing Green was SK? Only things I saw was "He is SK and disguised because I thought he was SK yesterday."
This is his explanation of Green that I found:
Really 0 reasoning other than "Green was SK because he was SK".
I would really like him to start explaining this:
I had a Town read on Red because his posts have the same outlook as the way I think. He does a good job and keep pressuring on every player he interacts with, not really tunneling as he kept his options open, and responded logically to questioning. Sure, he was obviously defensive, but players will get defensive when 2-3 people are questioning them at once. Also, I've been in his situation before where you explain stuff but no one is really comprehending it and you literally feel like you're going insane; the way he reacted to that type of situation is how I would react in his position as a Town player.
Red also hasn't done anything that stands out as non-town to me. These are the reasons why I said if Red ends up being the SK, then he is literally a sociopath.
I just don't recall very much input from Orange for most of d1. I don't recall him in depth questioning anyone or offering his ideas, only questioning other's statements and facts. But he still gains major town points for not hammering people multiple times, and reaction testing Purple with that fake vote.
Maybe Yellow is referring to his D1 Green read to explain why he thinks Green disguised. However I would appreciate a more detailed explanation than that so I don't want "oh Red got what I meant so I won't bother elaborating on that"
I would like to propose to you this - I do not think that he is the scum.
1. Let's assume that the SK was Yellow who no-disguised a kill on Green.
Why on Earth would scum!Yellow use the no-disguise on Green over someone whose posting style would be far harder to replicate? (e.g., Blue, Red) Secondly, the main purpose of no-disguising Green would be for an elaborate/ less conventional strategy, yes? I do not get the impression that either Yellow players are the sort who would deal with that level of WIFOM. Yellow #2's logic is very...green? I'm not quite sure how to describe it. The way he talks, the basic logic used, the lack of complex terminology used - it strongly suggests that Yellow is a new player. New players do not generally fuck around with WIFOM9000 master plans.
2. Let's assume that the SK was Green who disguised a kill on Yellow.
This is possible given Yellow's relative inactivity. However I detect consistency between Yellow's few posts on D1 and his posting here. Yellow has also not made any horrendous typing errors that would suggest that he is Green, nor does the logic that Yellow uses square with the logic that Green operated under.
Furthermore, why would scum!Green hammer and then disguise? Green was the most universal town-read of everyone...and then he, as scum, just throws that all away by hammering (when Blue was ALREADY going to hammer) and then disguising on a lurker who was already being considered for a policy lynch...? It's incredibly poor play.
Conclusion: Green was likely town who the SK no-disguised on. Yellow is also assumed to be town because of the sheer unlikelihood that he would enact such a plan.
Side note: I can confirm that I did feel like I was going insane. Nothing that I said was getting my point across to Green, Purple, Blue -_-
December 2nd, 2016, 08:25 AM
S-FM Yellow Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
Just to clarify, I don't think I ever said that I would lynch you on D1. I know that I said "I think Orange/ Purple make an interesting point when they say that Pink is too calm/ staying above the fray" or whatever but that is not the same thing.
I agree with your reasoning, but I have concluded something different. Making this point to elaborate on later when Blue responds as I would like to see her reaction to the new posts.
Maybe Yellow is referring to his D1 Green read to explain why he thinks Green disguised. However I would appreciate a more detailed explanation than that so I don't want "oh Red got what I meant so I won't bother elaborating on that"
I would like to propose to you this - I do not think that he is the scum.
1. Let's assume that the SK was Yellow who no-disguised a kill on Green.
Why on Earth would scum!Yellow use the no-disguise on Green over someone whose posting style would be far harder to replicate? (e.g., Blue, Red) Secondly, the main purpose of no-disguising Green would be for an elaborate/ less conventional strategy, yes? I do not get the impression that either Yellow players are the sort who would deal with that level of WIFOM. Yellow #2's logic is very...green? I'm not quite sure how to describe it. The way he talks, the basic logic used, the lack of complex terminology used - it strongly suggests that Yellow is a new player. New players do not generally fuck around with WIFOM9000 master plans.
2. Let's assume that the SK was Green who disguised a kill on Yellow.
This is possible given Yellow's relative inactivity. However I detect consistency between Yellow's few posts on D1 and his posting here. Yellow has also not made any horrendous typing errors that would suggest that he is Green, nor does the logic that Yellow uses square with the logic that Green operated under.
Furthermore, why would scum!Green hammer and then disguise? Green was the most universal town-read of everyone...and then he, as scum, just throws that all away by hammering (when Blue was ALREADY going to hammer) and then disguising on a lurker who was already being considered for a policy lynch...? It's incredibly poor play.
Conclusion: Green was likely town who the SK no-disguised on. Yellow is also assumed to be town because of the sheer unlikelihood that he would enact such a plan.
Side note: I can confirm that I did feel like I was going insane. Nothing that I said was getting my point across to Green, Purple, Blue -_-
Uh... how about, why would I kill my top scum read? and tbh I think yheres something super obvious about my play style. Maybe not as noticible cause I haven't written long chunks but it's there.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:25 AM
S-FM Yellow Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Theres*
December 2nd, 2016, 08:27 AM
S-FM Yellow Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
My lynches would like to go as followed. Blue>Pink>Orange>Red
December 2nd, 2016, 08:29 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Quote:
Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
Uh... how about, why would I kill my top scum read? and tbh I think yheres something super obvious about my play style. Maybe not as noticible cause I haven't written long chunks but it's there.
I didn't include that because it can be countered (to an extent) with "but Green wanted Yellow dead" although it's not the worst point. But do tell me if you think the rest of my logic sucks. And anything else you want to say about the chat.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:30 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Quote:
Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
My lynches would like to go as followed. Blue>Pink>Orange>Red
Like yeah, this would be great if you expanded on why you ordered the lynches like this because I am having a hard time seeing why you think Pink/ Orange/ myself are town. (because your opinion might have changed from earlier)
December 2nd, 2016, 08:32 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Quote:
Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
Uh... how about, why would I kill my top scum read?
lol you can't town read yourself for this.
1) You kill your top scum read so you can log on the next day and be like "why would I kill my top scum read?"
2) Green tunneled anybody who put pressure on him, so he would've easily turned around on you today.
Not that this is evidence against you, but you can't think you should be Town read because Green died. There are many scenarios.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:36 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
We really can't give Orange a pass 2 days in a row solely because he didn't hammer. It's very possible that the SK tried to give themselves town cred d1 so they could no kill n1 and live off their town cred d2. I mean, highly unlikely that someone is thinking that far forward when 2313 things could unexpectedly go wrong, but still shouldn't receive a pass.
I'm not saying that people should be suspicious of him, this is just more of a statement to myself. I have been thinking he's been ok to leave alone until I thought of this just now. Thought I would share this thought.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:41 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Quote:
Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
We really can't give Orange a pass 2 days in a row solely because he didn't hammer. It's very possible that the SK tried to give themselves town cred d1 so they could no kill n1 and live off their town cred d2. I mean, highly unlikely that someone is thinking that far forward when 2313 things could unexpectedly go wrong, but still shouldn't receive a pass.
I'm not saying that people should be suspicious of him, this is just more of a statement to myself. I have been thinking he's been ok to leave alone until I thought of this just now. Thought I would share this thought.
I get the worry that someone's getting a free pass but I find scum!Orange pretty unlikely.
Town cred is overrated because it doesn't help him whatsoever in a 2v1. And I don't see why scum!Orange would no-disguise on Green unless you have any ideas there. I say this because Orange is one of the least active players iirc so leaving Pink/ Red/ Blue/ Yellow as options when there's a good chance that Yellow will be lynched and he'll end up having to up his activity ten-fold.
This is pure speculation though.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:41 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Yellow, if you have time, can you dredge up some posts from yesterday where you outline your case on Green being SK?
I never really assumed Green was SK d1, but the hammer on someone he defended all day did make me raise my eyebrow.
I still can't get over what Purple did yesterday.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:42 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Quote:
Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
I get the worry that someone's getting a free pass but I find scum!Orange pretty unlikely.
Town cred is overrated because it doesn't help him whatsoever in a 2v1. And I don't see why scum!Orange would no-disguise on Green unless you have any ideas there. I say this because Orange is one of the least active players iirc so leaving Pink/ Red/ Blue/ Yellow as options when there's a good chance that Yellow will be lynched and he'll end up having to up his activity ten-fold seems risky to do.
This is pure speculation though.
EBWOP
What did you make of my Yellow reasoning?
December 2nd, 2016, 08:43 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Quote:
Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
I get the worry that someone's getting a free pass but I find scum!Orange pretty unlikely.
Town cred is overrated because it doesn't help him whatsoever in a 2v1. And I don't see why scum!Orange would no-disguise on Green unless you have any ideas there. I say this because Orange is one of the least active players iirc so leaving Pink/ Red/ Blue/ Yellow as options when there's a good chance that Yellow will be lynched and he'll end up having to up his activity ten-fold.
This is pure speculation though.
You're right, I also find it very unlikely. But I basically gave him a golden ticket to day 3 because of Yesterday. I mean, I haven't compared his posts with Green's & Orange from yesterday, but he gives me the same feel as Orange from yesterday.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:44 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
I hope you have time on your hands because I am going somewhere with my posts so I'd like to get you on the same page, lol :p
December 2nd, 2016, 08:50 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
EBWOP
What did you make of my Yellow reasoning?
I think they're valid points, especially in the case on the WIFOM. Honestly, I think that most players will always do the simplest most logic choice in all games. Which is why I also find it really hard to see why Green was no-disguise killed. He wasn't really a threat; the only logical reason I can think of is if Green was alive people would be like "SK wouldn't hammer someone like that and stick around", so SK didn't want him getting that Town-cred? But that's a long shot.
Further to your post regarding Green:
I also wonder sometimes if Green's constant typos of the same words were on purpose or not so that if they DID disguise, they could fix their typos and would be harder to find. Although, same reasoning.. people will choose the simplest choice, and this would not be it. This strategy would take a lot of premeditation and plotting. I didn't really see that in Green's character.
The only solid reasoning I can think for Green being killed is this:
SK no-disguise killed Green because Green hammered. This was done to make us think Green was SK who hammered and disguised away. Then we would assume SK still had a no-disguise kill tonight, which misleads us tomorrow if we misslynch today.
This is the idea I'm leaning towards currently, but I am still open to being convinced that Green was SK if someone lays out a decent piece.
December 2nd, 2016, 08:55 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
I think they're valid points, especially in the case on the WIFOM. Honestly, I think that most players will always do the simplest most logic choice in all games. Which is why I also find it really hard to see why Green was no-disguise killed. He wasn't really a threat; the only logical reason I can think of is if Green was alive people would be like "SK wouldn't hammer someone like that and stick around", so SK didn't want him getting that Town-cred? But that's a long shot.
Further to your post regarding Green:
I also wonder sometimes if Green's constant typos of the same words were on purpose or not so that if they DID disguise, they could fix their typos and would be harder to find. Although, same reasoning.. people will choose the simplest choice, and this would not be it. This strategy would take a lot of premeditation and plotting. I didn't really see that in Green's character.
The only solid reasoning I can think for Green being killed is this:
SK no-disguise killed Green because Green hammered. This was done to make us think Green was SK who hammered and disguised away. Then we would assume SK still had a no-disguise kill tonight, which misleads us tomorrow if we misslynch today.
This is the idea I'm leaning towards currently, but I am still open to being convinced that Green was SK if someone lays out a decent piece.
1st paragraph: Green already had a shit-load of town cred so SK wanting to deprive him of more town cred is a stretch indeed.
2nd paragraph: I have considered this. However I believe that Green's typing style was too consistent in its shittiness to be fake. Even when he was posting rapid-fire, he still maintained that 'persona' so to speak. Generally speaking, people have a hard time maintaining a fake typing style AND typing impulsively at the same time.
3rd paragraph: Yes. Leads onto my sick tinfoil theory :D
December 2nd, 2016, 09:10 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
I'm sad that Pink disappeared the moment that I was ready to make my final point :(
Ah well, I will just wait until people get back online later.
December 2nd, 2016, 09:23 AM
S-FM Pink Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
I'm here, just kind of busy at the minute so can't actively participate. I would love to hear the final point
December 2nd, 2016, 09:32 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
Red Tinfoil Time!
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
I'm going to put aside my whole case on red. I think was wrong.
I'm going to go with this that "Green was the SK, not a kill". Green was the only person who didn't stay logged in to see Ice posting the lynch result after hammering purple to kill discussion after me declaring an intent and asking for reads , Green was buddying me on red cause that would make the game muddy as shit.
This is the only post that I need to use so pay attention, people.
For context, cast your minds back to EOD1. There you have Red, trying in vain to show Green, Blue, Purple the light. Blue has resumed her brilliant scum-read-but-not-really-read on Red with genius questions such as "what happened to your scum-read of [Blue]" while Red was clearly busy trying not to get lynched.
Spoiler : Note #1 :
(I can go into more detail about the woeful EOD presence from Blue if people-who-are-not-Blue want me to, but I am taking it as a given here so moving on)
Green, the person who has a 50% chance of being the SK, hammers Purple. 24 hours later, Green apparently turns up dead. This post is the first one that Blue makes.
I would like to propose that this post was made with a scum agenda in mind. Look at the context - I was scum-reading Blue pretty fucking hard yesterday. It would make perfect sense for scum!Blue to "drop" that scum-read, wouldn't it? It means that she doesn't have to risk drawing more attention to herself, it means that she looks better because "she types the same so the SK couldn't have disguised as her" and it increases the chances of me being 'appeased' here.
Why do I think that? Note the lack of reasoning given for me actually being town. She just 'puts it aside' but doesn't explain why. Even better, she doesn't HAVE to explain it because "Green was SK so you are town" can be used to hide this lack of reasoning. It's very convenient if she plans to return to this 'scum-read' later on after a mislynch. After all, if Blue has used up her no-disguise then she would have an incredibly hard time imitating me so she would need to make me look bad for when I go into a 2v1 with whatever account she uses.
Spoiler : Note #2 :
(Speaking in general, I am basically immortal this game because nobody is going to have a shot at impersonating me. Nobody gives as many fucks, rofl)
(to expand on this point, Blue would be likely to go "well Green was SK so Blue was town who was no-disguised and thus their reasoning is solid and they kinda suspected Red so let's push that". Theoretical but a valid point)
tl;dr: Blue dropped the scum-read to appease me, thus decreasing her odds of dying D2, and is pushing a false "Green is SK" narrative to mislead the town. (which I have debunked pretty well)
December 2nd, 2016, 09:34 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
This was why I asked Blue about why she town-read me. I noticed the lack of an actual definitive stance taken on my slot and found it suspicious, so I wanted better reasoning so that if Blue was scum, she would have to backtrack and thus increase the odds of messing up.
However I have decided "fuck that shit she's probably scum anyway" and posted all of this.
December 2nd, 2016, 09:47 AM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Oh shit, I didn't even get to the part about Blue's talk on Green. I just want to add that it feels very 'clean' and agenda-driven, like Blue is trying to force [making people believe that Green was SK manipulating Blue] without directly stating that that's her intention.
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Green was the only person who didn't stay logged in to see Ice posting the lynch result after hammering purple to kill discussion after me declaring an intent and asking for reads , Green was buddying me on red cause that would make the game muddy as shit.
1. This is very biased and automatically assumes that Green is SK the entire time without really thinking through the scenarios.
2. Hammer used to smear Green. I don't think this is AI at all, nor is it a good SK strategy, so this looks incredibly bad. Why would Green hammer half an hour before deadline and then disguise when Blue was going to hammer?
3. Last sentence feels like Blue is crafting a narrative to me. This is more of a fee-fees thing though.
Can you walk me through (in as much detail as you can) what precisely made you change your mind on me? I don't want "Green is SK so you have to be town" reasoning. If you think Green is SK then you have to have seen SOME townie motivation in my posts and I would like to hear this reasoning.
If you have none then I'm going to ask you to reread my posts. Either way I am going to get an answer that isn't solely "I think someone else is the killer" logic.
But that's my only logic so I'm going to disappoint you.
we know there was only one scum day 1. Green died last night. Your fucking out of your mind if you killed green - so obviously I was wrong about you yesterday.
The point is I had a scumread on you based on a case, that case was the reason you were looking scummy to me. when something makes no sense about you being scum - the whole logic falls apart. I don't need to see anything townie from you. I beleive there is nothing town indicative in games - basically as every attidue can be faked. when I read the game I search for scummy behaviors.
I dropped scumreading you the moment purple flipped green not the moment green flipped at day start. It was just a night phase so I couldn't post that immidiatly. The way green killed the discussion last day - after claiming multiple times that he knows purple is town - and when I reread the whole thing it was reeking of buddying me to devide the town.
Now if your going to scumread me for correcting my read on you, thats on you. I corrected my read - so try to understand and correct yours as well.
December 2nd, 2016, 01:53 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
That's the not being calm part.
And it's just not true. It's not even being defensive. You would react with hostility to any questioning directed at you, even if it was without suspicious. Today, you're not doing that kind of stuff. Like, my read on you that I just posted would've had a response of you basically voting me if it was yesterday.
If you don't think your demeanor is different from yesterday, then that's kind of strange. Seriously, if you look @ day 1, every post is you questioning someone or pressuring them. I don't see that kind of effort today vs yesterday, especially when it comes to pressuring people.
I didn't pressure anyone yet. I'm still analyzing responses. and no I'm still me - so your wrong or scum who is advertising my persona is changed when its not.
react hostile any questions toward me needs questions directed at me - and I don't react to questions - I ask questions about fail logics and call the bullshit out of them. There is nothing to argue about but me denying when your attacking my personality - not logic.
December 2nd, 2016, 01:55 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
I'm starting to like Pink because no matter what, I just can't find any actual scumslips and similar. My arguments were hypothetical based on a personality which is simply not indicating on alignments. For the moment being, it looks like I'm just having an excuse to park a vote on this player, and probably look like an asshole in the process.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
tl;dr: Blue dropped the scum-read to appease me, thus decreasing her odds of dying D2, and is pushing a false "Green is SK" narrative to mislead the town. (which I have debunked pretty well)
This is far more convincing than a hypothesis based on the super carefulness, non-slipperiness and lagged Pink.
-vote S-FM Blue Masquerader
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
I dropped scumreading you the moment purple flipped green not the moment green flipped at day start.
When the day starts, green is flipped. This sentence is irrelevant unless you just checked in without checking the start of the day, because your read is going to immediately change anyway when you see green is dead. Easily faked.
December 2nd, 2016, 01:57 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Pink Masquerader
That's the not being calm part.
And it's just not true. It's not even being defensive. You would react with hostility to any questioning directed at you, even if it was without suspicious. Today, you're not doing that kind of stuff. Like, my read on you that I just posted would've had a response of you basically voting me if it was yesterday.
If you don't think your demeanor is different from yesterday, then that's kind of strange. Seriously, if you look @ day 1, every post is you questioning someone or pressuring them. I don't see that kind of effort today vs yesterday, especially when it comes to pressuring people.
oh and indeed I WAS CALM YESTERDAY
me being overly aggressive and defensive at the same time - had nothing to do with me being stressful or calm. The only time I wasn't calm was when I responded red with a bunch of insults - after he insulting me and I do claim that those insults had nothing to do with me scum reading red or being aggressive in any manner.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:02 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
I'm starting to like Pink because no matter what, I just can't find any actual scumslips and similar. My arguments were hypothetical based on a personality which is simply not indicating on alignments. For the moment being, it looks like I'm just having an excuse to park a vote on this player, and probably look like an asshole in the process.
This is far more convincing than a hypothesis based on the super carefulness, non-slipperiness and lagged Pink.
-vote S-FM Blue Masquerader
When the day starts, green is flipped. This sentence is irrelevant unless you just checked in without checking the start of the day, because your read is going to immediately change anyway when you see green is dead. Easily faked.
Thats not true no matter how convincing it is. I dropped my case because I beleive I was wrong - why would a scum me do that.
and my first reaction to purple lynch was - omfg I should have stayed paranoid about green - that was the moment I changed my read on red and green and I predicted green disguise. then guess what happened when day started? green flipped.
so yes I assumed green disguised and I dropped my case on red. I don't care if its easily fakeable. its true and its what happened. when something is easily fakeable it doesn't mean its scum indiactive.
if you didn;t understand what I meant I'm claiming that I cahnged my read on red and green when green hammered and purple flipped green - night start and green flip just made me - half way sure he disguised. and this is defeinitly not irreverent.
thats were I'm coming from - believe it or not.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:08 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
tldr; I'm fucking town
and I beleive red is town
if I'm going to get mislynched anyway - for correcting my reads then do that now and stop wasting my time. if you have any questions I'm here to answer. I was doing a reread on day 1 and till I finish that I have no particular lynch suggestion.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:12 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
A really strawpulled tinfoil, but green and blue are fond of their random grammatical mistakes on words and beyond the tunneling has a somewhat similar personality, which makes a scenario for green->blue, assuming that green exaggerated their grammatical errors and behavior.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:16 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
Just to clarify, I don't think I ever said that I would lynch you on D1. I know that I said "I think Orange/ Purple make an interesting point when they say that Pink is too calm/ staying above the fray" or whatever but that is not the same thing.
I agree with your reasoning, but I have concluded something different. Making this point to elaborate on later when Blue responds as I would like to see her reaction to the new posts.
Maybe Yellow is referring to his D1 Green read to explain why he thinks Green disguised. However I would appreciate a more detailed explanation than that so I don't want "oh Red got what I meant so I won't bother elaborating on that"
I would like to propose to you this - I do not think that he is the scum.
1. Let's assume that the SK was Yellow who no-disguised a kill on Green.
Why on Earth would scum!Yellow use the no-disguise on Green over someone whose posting style would be far harder to replicate? (e.g., Blue, Red) Secondly, the main purpose of no-disguising Green would be for an elaborate/ less conventional strategy, yes? I do not get the impression that either Yellow players are the sort who would deal with that level of WIFOM. Yellow #2's logic is very...green? I'm not quite sure how to describe it. The way he talks, the basic logic used, the lack of complex terminology used - it strongly suggests that Yellow is a new player. New players do not generally fuck around with WIFOM9000 master plans.
2. Let's assume that the SK was Green who disguised a kill on Yellow.
This is possible given Yellow's relative inactivity. However I detect consistency between Yellow's few posts on D1 and his posting here. Yellow has also not made any horrendous typing errors that would suggest that he is Green, nor does the logic that Yellow uses square with the logic that Green operated under.
Furthermore, why would scum!Green hammer and then disguise? Green was the most universal town-read of everyone...and then he, as scum, just throws that all away by hammering (when Blue was ALREADY going to hammer) and then disguising on a lurker who was already being considered for a policy lynch...? It's incredibly poor play.
Conclusion: Green was likely town who the SK no-disguised on. Yellow is also assumed to be town because of the sheer unlikelihood that he would enact such a plan.
Side note: I can confirm that I did feel like I was going insane. Nothing that I said was getting my point across to Green, Purple, Blue -_-
The logic holds till the point you don't understiate yellow. considering him a new player - and not a veteran who is faking being new player might loose the game. eventhough your logic and feeling holds - it is at high level of wifom.
I do however see that consistancy your reffering to so I beleive green didn't disguise on yellow.
scum green could hammer and disguise for fucking up our mindsets and to get rid of that disguise thingi. there was a universal townread on green so it was his best time for disguising - making it look like a kill. if you disguise and its obviouse that your not killed - people will find you and fuck you up.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:18 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
A really strawpulled tinfoil, but green and blue are fond of their random grammatical mistakes on words and beyond the tunneling has a somewhat similar personality, which makes a scenario for green->blue, assuming that green exaggerated their grammatical errors and behavior.
oh I'm sorry that I'm not native English. So sorry about that, I will try to be one in my next life .
and no its still me the only blue who started day 1.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:18 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
By the way, regardless of No Disguise and Disguise, Day 3 will have a guaranteed confirmation that the SK is not on their original slot unless they No Killed which is stupid.
Because of this, the likeliness of finding the SK Day 3 will be really high.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:23 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
calling your theory strawpulled toinful and not giving your logical back ground for it just push me away - and won't let me try to refute your case on me. Folliwng that type of logic is what I call throwing shade and its exactly what your doing with that type of posts.
so why are you doing that orange? does it really important if you think I killed green or green disguised on me? in eaither case you think I'm scum and scumreading me has no relation to that. so why are you trying to advertise my lynch in such manner?
pedit : nah, a town which fucks up twice and stay proud of it will fail in lylo 90% of times. so yeah ...
lynch blue and get over with day type of wifom
December 2nd, 2016, 02:27 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
calling your theory strawpulled toinful and not giving your logical back ground for it just push me away - and won't let me try to refute your case on me.
Well, give or take. My random theory is a straw and a tinfoil, which require minimal logical backing. Think of it like an Occam's Razor. If you'd like though, you can compare yourself with green. This is only if, green was SK, which is an unlikely theory.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
lynch blue and get over with day type of wifom
Emotion!
December 2nd, 2016, 02:31 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
I get the worry that someone's getting a free pass but I find scum!Orange pretty unlikely.
Town cred is overrated because it doesn't help him whatsoever in a 2v1. And I don't see why scum!Orange would no-disguise on Green unless you have any ideas there. I say this because Orange is one of the least active players iirc so leaving Pink/ Red/ Blue/ Yellow as options when there's a good chance that Yellow will be lynched and he'll end up having to up his activity ten-fold.
This is pure speculation though.
why do you find scum orange really unlikely? why Green disguise on orange is not a possibility?
I have reasons to beleive orange was town day 1 so I agree that I find orange no disguise kill highly unlikely as well.
pedit : I didn't mention that I'm really emotional? thats the reason I'm so reactive mainly - though I beleive I'm logically reactive not emotionally reactive.
your occam razor is wrong and is pure shit and its only reason for existing is to make me look worse and you know it, its not saying anything about my alignment. its not saying anything about the fact green could disguise on anyone - and not just me. and its a logical fallacy from multiple points of view.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:34 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
why Green disguise on orange is not a possibility?
I concede, best theory 2016. Let's disregard every single thing about me.
This is the idea I'm leaning towards currently, but I am still open to being convinced that Green was SK if someone lays out a decent piece.
Its not being open to get convinced what was the case yesterday. everyone just need to stay open to consider all possible possibilities. no-one knows what happened yesterday - beside the sk himself and any highly valid logical explanation about which was what is not going to make any of those ideas 100% the case.
building all the game based on one theory - is exactly what sk needs to hide - in case that theory is wrong.
I'm talking generally and this is not just about green disguise or not disguise kill thingi.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:39 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
I concede, best theory 2016. Let's disregard every single thing about me.
and I didn't disgard a single thing. I'm just asking red to see his reasoning for disregarding that possibility - beside his wifom point that green didn't disguise last night. I just wanted to see if he has anything else in mind suggesting that wasn't the case of is just building his reads based on that theory. - which if its wrong it will cost the game.
now where we're we? what do you think I disregarded?
December 2nd, 2016, 02:43 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
that wasn't a theory
and I didn't disgard a single thing. I'm just asking red to see his reasoning for disregarding that possibility - beside his wifom point that green didn't disguise last night. I just wanted to see if he has anything else in mind suggesting that wasn't the case of is just building his reads based on that theory. - which if its wrong it will cost the game.
now where we're we? what do you think I disregarded?
Discussing the simple fact that Green was the SK would lead to them having to perfectly imitate their victim. You're poking Red why he did not regard the possibility of me being Green, in itself, implies doubt on your part. This leads to a comparison contest between Orange + Green, with grammatics, personality, way of posting, reads, blabla.
This alone makes it extremely unlikely that they targeted Red, Orange and Pink.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:47 PM
S-FM Orange Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
I'll be heading off again for personal stuff that I'm not allowed to share.
December 2nd, 2016, 02:50 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
Discussing the simple fact that Green was the SK would lead to them having to perfectly imitate their victim. You're poking Red why he did not regard the possibility of me being Green, in itself, implies doubt on your part. This leads to a comparison contest between Orange + Green, with grammatics, personality, way of posting, reads, blabla.
This alone makes it extremely unlikely that they targeted Red, Orange and Pink.
I'm saying those stuff are fakeable. and this game SK don't like to make it easy for you.
I do have doubt about you. I do have doubts about everyone at different degrees - and I'm trying to figure out I have more doubts about who - that needs to wait till I'm done rereading.
that question was more of a test of red - not you. I can't see the similar type of attitude I found odd about red yesterday - and I was trying to see if he disregard my question or will start validating his points and throw it behind his own theories and yes I consider every single possibility that includes green faking grammer and attidue and is faking it as you - but I'm still not sold in any of my theories and thats why Im not voting anyone. what is your problem with that?
December 2nd, 2016, 03:13 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
Hello. I found the dialogue between Orange and Blue to be interesting. Allow me to provide my thoughts on the two of them. This will span over three posts.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
But that's my only logic so I'm going to disappoint you.
we know there was only one scum day 1. Green died last night. Your fucking out of your mind if you killed green - so obviously I was wrong about you yesterday.
The point is I had a scumread on you based on a case, that case was the reason you were looking scummy to me. when something makes no sense about you being scum - the whole logic falls apart. I don't need to see anything townie from you. I beleive there is nothing town indicative in games - basically as every attidue can be faked. when I read the game I search for scummy behaviors.
I dropped scumreading you the moment purple flipped green not the moment green flipped at day start. It was just a night phase so I couldn't post that immidiatly. The way green killed the discussion last day - after claiming multiple times that he knows purple is town - and when I reread the whole thing it was reeking of buddying me to devide the town.
Now if your going to scumread me for correcting my read on you, thats on you. I corrected my read - so try to understand and correct yours as well.
Fascinating.
My read on you is independent of your read on me. While it is good that you are correctly town-reading me, that does not mean that I town-read you back.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
Thats not true no matter how convincing it is. I dropped my case because I beleive I was wrong - why would a scum me do that.
and my first reaction to purple lynch was - omfg I should have stayed paranoid about green - that was the moment I changed my read on red and green and I predicted green disguise. then guess what happened when day started? green flipped.
so yes I assumed green disguised and I dropped my case on red. I don't care if its easily fakeable. its true and its what happened. when something is easily fakeable it doesn't mean its scum indiactive.
if you didn;t understand what I meant I'm claiming that I cahnged my read on red and green when green hammered and purple flipped green - night start and green flip just made me - half way sure he disguised. and this is defeinitly not irreverent.
thats were I'm coming from - believe it or not.
"Why would scum do that?" - To buddy up to me, duh.
Quote where you were 'paranoid' about Green please. I have not found ANY evidence of Green paranoia in your posts.
Aside from those points, this post is NAI as scum could fake those reasons. Town could legitimately have those reasons. Nothing to see there.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
The logic holds till the point you don't understiate yellow. considering him a new player - and not a veteran who is faking being new player might loose the game. eventhough your logic and feeling holds - it is at high level of wifom.
I do however see that consistancy your reffering to so I beleive green didn't disguise on yellow.
scum green could hammer and disguise for fucking up our mindsets and to get rid of that disguise thingi. there was a universal townread on green so it was his best time for disguising - making it look like a kill. if you disguise and its obviouse that your not killed - people will find you and fuck you up.
This veteran-faking-newb theory does not hold with the evidence that I have. A veteran in that position would be posting more actively so that they did not become a policy lynch target. It would not be hard to fake newb reasoning on many posts - they could easily point out a minor NAI contradiction on a town-read and use that as reasoning to vote for them, for example. Yellow lacks that manipulative, agenda-driven vibe that I would expect from a veteran-faking-newb player.
SK has limitless disguises. I don't understand your last point - NKA is not really a thing and a widely town-read player surviving into the end-game is not a scum tell this game.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
why do you find scum orange really unlikely? why Green disguise on orange is not a possibility?
I have reasons to beleive orange was town day 1 so I agree that I find orange no disguise kill highly unlikely as well.
pedit : I didn't mention that I'm really emotional? thats the reason I'm so reactive mainly - though I beleive I'm logically reactive not emotionally reactive.
your occam razor is wrong and is pure shit and its only reason for existing is to make me look worse and you know it, its not saying anything about my alignment. its not saying anything about the fact green could disguise on anyone - and not just me. and its a logical fallacy from multiple points of view.
It's super-obvious that nobody is disguised. Everyone is too consistent. I refuse to accept any theory suggesting otherwise because it will just not hold up with the textual evidence. Nobody has made a single case for persona changes except for Green's point about your personality shift. (which I do not consider AI) Anyone trying to push this narrative of a disguise without evidence is fear-mongering.
December 2nd, 2016, 03:20 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
I'm starting to like Pink because no matter what, I just can't find any actual scumslips and similar. My arguments were hypothetical based on a personality which is simply not indicating on alignments. For the moment being, it looks like I'm just having an excuse to park a vote on this player, and probably look like an asshole in the process.
This is far more convincing than a hypothesis based on the super carefulness, non-slipperiness and lagged Pink.
[vote]S-FM Blue Masquerader
When the day starts, green is flipped. This sentence is irrelevant unless you just checked in without checking the start of the day, because your read is going to immediately change anyway when you see green is dead. Easily faked.
I agree with this, but I already said that Pink wasn't very scummy and even though I challenged Orange on this earlier, he didn't really reconsider or change his vote until I made a case on Blue. Possibly sheeping me to follow thread sentiment/ a vocal townie.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
A really strawpulled tinfoil, but green and blue are fond of their random grammatical mistakes on words and beyond the tunneling has a somewhat similar personality, which makes a scenario for green->blue, assuming that green exaggerated their grammatical errors and behavior.
Bad tinfoil post. I actually agree with Blue here that this is unnecessary to add when you already scum-read Blue.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
By the way, regardless of No Disguise and Disguise, Day 3 will have a guaranteed confirmation that the SK is not on their original slot unless they No Killed which is stupid.
Because of this, the likeliness of finding the SK Day 3 will be really high.
Very bad post. This literally says nothing and I can only conclude that it was posted for the sake of posting something.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
Well, give or take. My random theory is a straw and a tinfoil, which require minimal logical backing. Think of it like an Occam's Razor. If you'd like though, you can compare yourself with green. This is only if, green was SK, which is an unlikely theory.
Emotion!
Yeah I still don't get why you made that post then.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Orange Masquerader
Discussing the simple fact that Green was the SK would lead to them having to perfectly imitate their victim. You're poking Red why he did not regard the possibility of me being Green, in itself, implies doubt on your part. This leads to a comparison contest between Orange + Green, with grammatics, personality, way of posting, reads, blabla.
This alone makes it extremely unlikely that they targeted Red, Orange and Pink.
I also don't understand what the hell Orange is doing here with these posts. I don't know wherever his posts fit a more complex scum narrative than "sheeping Red and posting nonsense" because I don't understand what the fuck he is even saying with half of them, rofl.
Honestly, this is worth repeating. It's extremely obvious that NOBODY is disguised. Everyone is too consistent with their typing habits for that to ever be the case. I don't understand how I am the only one who realises this. Did everyone get a lobotomy and forget how to reread or some shit?
December 2nd, 2016, 03:29 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
red
I still didn't check anything - and didn't search for any cluses to huant possible disguised and thats my main reason I said I'm going to reread day 1. the game is 55 fucking pages and as i said last night I wasn't around earlier to do that.
so till then I have no comment to add about if green is disguised or not and I'm considering both possibilities and I have no main scum read to push.
If there is any questions feel free to ask. if not , I'm leaving for a while.
December 2nd, 2016, 03:29 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
actually i missed your first post , I'm reading it right now.
December 2nd, 2016, 03:36 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
I made this a third post because I think it's an amazing point.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
Its not being open to get convinced what was the case yesterday. everyone just need to stay open to consider all possible possibilities. no-one knows what happened yesterday - beside the sk himself and any highly valid logical explanation about which was what is not going to make any of those ideas 100% the case.
building all the game based on one theory - is exactly what sk needs to hide - in case that theory is wrong.
I'm talking generally and this is not just about green disguise or not disguise kill thingi.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
I'm just asking red to see his reasoning for disregarding that possibility - beside his wifom point that green didn't disguise last night. I just wanted to see if he has anything else in mind suggesting that wasn't the case of is just building his reads based on that theory. - which if its wrong it will cost the game.
Blue talks about not getting bogged down in one idea as you can see.
"But Oh Great and Wondrous Red who is so great and wondrous, what's wrong with that? Assuming things is bad, isn't it? Why is Blue scummy for warning against that?"
It doesn't fucking fit with anything that she's done!
Look at this post. Just look at it.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
we know there was only one scum day 1. Green died last night. Your fucking out of your mind if you killed green - so obviously I was wrong about you yesterday.
The point is I had a scumread on you based on a case, that case was the reason you were looking scummy to me. when something makes no sense about you being scum - the whole logic falls apart. I don't need to see anything townie from you. I beleive there is nothing town indicative in games - basically as every attidue can be faked. when I read the game I search for scummy behaviors.
I dropped scumreading you the moment purple flipped green not the moment green flipped at day start. It was just a night phase so I couldn't post that immidiatly. The way green killed the discussion last day - after claiming multiple times that he knows purple is town - and when I reread the whole thing it was reeking of buddying me to devide the town.
She is literally assuming that Green is SK and using this assumption to hard-core town-read me!
She then follows up with posts saying that assuming what the SK did could cost us the game!
Anyway I am tired so I am going to do something else for a bit and maybe see what people say when I get back. See yah scrubs.
December 2nd, 2016, 03:46 PM
S-FM Yellow Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
....so blue goes today?
December 2nd, 2016, 03:47 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
Hello. I found the dialogue between Orange and Blue to be interesting. Allow me to provide my thoughts on the two of them. This will span over three posts.
Fascinating.
My read on you is independent of your read on me. While it is good that you are correctly town-reading me, that does not mean that I town-read you back.
"Why would scum do that?" - To buddy up to me, duh.
Quote where you were 'paranoid' about Green please. I have not found ANY evidence of Green paranoia in your posts.
Aside from those points, this post is NAI as scum could fake those reasons. Town could legitimately have those reasons. Nothing to see there.
This veteran-faking-newb theory does not hold with the evidence that I have. A veteran in that position would be posting more actively so that they did not become a policy lynch target. It would not be hard to fake newb reasoning on many posts - they could easily point out a minor NAI contradiction on a town-read and use that as reasoning to vote for them, for example. Yellow lacks that manipulative, agenda-driven vibe that I would expect from a veteran-faking-newb player.
SK has limitless disguises. I don't understand your last point - NKA is not really a thing and a widely town-read player surviving into the end-game is not a scum tell this game.
It's super-obvious that nobody is disguised. Everyone is too consistent. I refuse to accept any theory suggesting otherwise because it will just not hold up with the textual evidence. Nobody has made a single case for persona changes except for Green's point about your personality shift. (which I do not consider AI) Anyone trying to push this narrative of a disguise without evidence is fear-mongering.
Your read on me is mainly becasue of two reasons based on the long wall posts you did in last page:
1 - my dropping case on your last day version in my first post day 2 (that I still beleive your still the same red anyway - so that makes you town in my eyes atm) was me trying to apeal to you.
I explained why it wasn't
2 - me thinking green disguised and wasn't killed was me trying to publish a false happening,
I explined why it wasn't - that I got my scumread on green based on what - and how my feelings told me that green will kill someone or disguise and when I saw green dead - my occaum razor was "green disguised" based on the read I got on him
so what I responded to you was answering your thoughts and explaining why you're wrong. its not like I can download my brain in this to show you what is real and whats not -so either you will trust me or I will get lynched for the crimes I could have done if I was sk but I didn't because I'm not sk and I did those as the town I am.
think for yourself. why should a disguised green on me or me who just killed blue drop what could be explained as "tunnel vision" on you in first post day 2. how is that even making sense. consistancy is what gets credit in this setup. and buddy up to you to what. why the fuck should scum me kill green who had me as without-dubt town day 1 to buddy up with the strongest scumread I had in day 1. your making no fucking sense.
and when I say your responsible for reading me - as I am responsible for reading you, I'm not saying you can't or shouldn't doubt me. thats this game nature but now with the type of case you made on me (about how I did stuff and my motivations) the only thing I can do in response is explaining my real motivations. The rest is on you to evaluate them.
and sk has limitless disguise but he nly needs to do that once as they can kill once as well. 3 lynch , 1 kill , 1 disguise. the last night disguise means nothing as the game is already lost.
so logically killer will kill once and disguise once or disguise twice just to wifom the shit out of us - but that will be really harder for them. most of the town will remain town day to day that is not arguable. finiding inconsistancy in personality and game point of view once - can win us the game as they need to disguise once any way so just throwing away the possibility of disguise night 1 when there was a day 1 lurker like yellow and when disguising in pink and orange is not that hard as you think it must be - spescially if green was faking language day 1 - its not ok. the most we can do is to say its not likly becasue the other theory is more valid - we can't just throw those theories in a trash can and move on as we have NO MORE CAHNCES. if you stick with this theory and your wrong - and sk instead of disguising kill someone night 2 - you will go in a goose hunt and loose.
so for avoiding that never say never and stay reasonably considerate about possibilities.
December 2nd, 2016, 03:48 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
....so blue goes today?
Never mind, I saw you pop online.
Can you kindly post a bit more? If Blue is town then you are making it super-easy for SK to disguise as you if you are town right now.
December 2nd, 2016, 03:52 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
regarding your new post. oh just shut up
you didn't know I will drop my case on you. Logically you would have disguised or kill me who was on to you so yes I find it HIghly unlikly that you were greens killer and that makes no sense for using one kill shot
how is that fucking relevant to the point that you should stay considerate that if someone is faking personality and green disguised?
it doesn't matter if everyone is staying consistant with personality - thats the only fucking objective SK has in this game - to stay consistant with the previous version of slot. all I'm saying about that is you need to look carefully for the one possible mistake they might do - and we don't know when their going to do that - or if they already had , I didn't do my reread yet -
December 2nd, 2016, 03:53 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Yellow Masquerader
....so blue goes today?
you can't just appear to applause the case on me and disappear,
what do you think about it?
December 2nd, 2016, 03:57 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
regarding your new post. oh just shut up
you didn't know I will drop my case on you. Logically you would have disguised or kill me who was on to you so yes I find it HIghly unlikly that you were greens killer and that makes no sense for using one kill shot
how is that fucking relevant to the point that you should stay considerate that if someone is faking personality and green disguised?
it doesn't matter if everyone is staying consistant with personality - thats the only fucking objective SK has in this game - to stay consistant with the previous version of slot. all I'm saying about that is you need to look carefully for the one possible mistake they might do - and we don't know when their going to do that - or if they already had , I didn't do my reread yet -
I mean you would have disguised - not neccessirly disguising in my slot - or kill my slot.
but hey thats how I evaluated this possibility - and thats my reason to count it unlikly. the shits your comparing are really out of context and unrealtead.
December 2nd, 2016, 04:00 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
I mean you would have disguised - not neccessirly disguising in my slot - or kill my slot.
but hey thats how I evaluated this possibility - and thats my reason to count it unlikly. the shits your comparing are really out of context and unrealtead.
Please explain what context I have missed.
Please also explain where you stated your 'Green paranoia' on Day 1. You did not answer this in your responses to me.
I am withholding my thoughts on the rest of your posts for now until others comment on it. I feel like everyone is just sheeping me right now and it's annoying because I am not infalliable.
Also Yellow needs to actually play the fucking game that they replaced into -_-
December 2nd, 2016, 04:15 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Red Masquerader
Please explain what context I have missed.
Please also explain where you stated your 'Green paranoia' on Day 1. You did not answer this in your responses to me.
I am withholding my thoughts on the rest of your posts for now until others comment on it. I feel like everyone is just sheeping me right now and it's annoying because I am not infalliable.
Also Yellow needs to actually play the fucking game that they replaced into -_-
do you remember when I was making one isolated post for each person? read the one I made about green. I mentioned I feel something is wrong or something like that and the fact their universal townread is not going to make me feel warmer but thats only paranoia so i will ignore that feeling.
when I saw the hammer vote I reread the whole push I made on you and I saw the way he called me strongest townread to make that wagon happen with me qiet unsatisfying and sheepy and the way he ended that day after I asked for final reads by lynching purple who he said he won't vote in the very last page - so yes I regreted that i didn't push my paranoia about him and I predicted the night kill will happen somehow related to green and it fucking did so my first assumption was green disguised.
you didn't miss context - yopu took those sentences out of context tried to show their paradox when they have no paradox. considering all theories and not saying something is impossible and ignoring whatever suggests against it is not equal to evaluating a possibility. I evaluated the possibility of you being sk based on my assumptions and the fact you made this case one me and you have the exact behavior I was pushing you for yesterday (to be more percise the way you grabbed my point about orange posts) is just add strenghts to the fact that YOUR not disguised in. that is not related to not considering green could or couldn't disguise last night.
and you can wait as long as you like. I can't argue otherwise.
December 2nd, 2016, 04:25 PM
S-FM Red Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
do you remember when I was making one isolated post for each person? read the one I made about green. I mentioned I feel something is wrong or something like that and the fact their universal townread is not going to make me feel warmer but thats only paranoia so i will ignore that feeling.
when I saw the hammer vote I reread the whole push I made on you and I saw the way he called me strongest townread to make that wagon happen with me qiet unsatisfying and sheepy and the way he ended that day after I asked for final reads by lynching purple who he said he won't vote in the very last page - so yes I regreted that i didn't push my paranoia about him and I predicted the night kill will happen somehow related to green and it fucking did so my first assumption was green disguised.
You mean this? I do not see paranoia. I see a point that you didn't like about Green's tone and then that digresses to talk about Orange's reaction but that is not paranoia.
If you don't mean this then you are going to have to link/ give me a post number because I want to see this but I'm not digging through 160-odd posts to find it.
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Originally Posted by S-FM Blue Masquerader
regarding green, putting my confusions aside I do have a townread there atm.
Green's leadership attidue early game was not forcefull and that makes it genuine. I liked his early push on purple and him sheilding against red's whatever it was - buddying type of comment. I liked his paranoid approach regarding orange. I didn't like his "I'm frsutrated with you" attidue against Orange as I can't understand what lead to that feeling. Orange omgused it and called it fake - but I wanted answers. Orange didn't follow that line of thinking up and simply left that discussion which was even more confusing for me.
anyway him voting red and keeping red at L1 is showing stubborness which fits with the persona he presented before that point.
December 2nd, 2016, 04:43 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
oh shit, I didn't post my points about being paranoid about him there then ... I fucking deleted the last paraghraph before posting that post .......
it was about how I found the way he responded to your proposal - for looking at orange earlier - sitting in the safe side of conversation (I asked yellow about how he is thinking about green behavior day 1 - yellow was the only person who wasn't townreading green - this is confirmable) It was about how I just feel somthing is not right when I was rereading him and that I feel paranoind but I want to keep that aside and keep my townreads as its more like a not progressive paranoia ....
and I deleted it before publishing that :( ........... I was really sure I did post it - sorry.
that doesn't change the fact that I was suspecting him and his eod buddying me and purple and then voting purple regardless of his own promise to end the day before further conversaations when I made your lynch impossible changed my read on him.
I just thought its too destractive because it was nearly day 1 end and I didn't want to start questioning one of my strongest townreads who was universally town read ... :shy:
:(
December 2nd, 2016, 04:45 PM
S-FM Blue Masquerader
Re: S-FM 217: Masquerade Madness
I actually kept one line of the thing i omitted- that was about what i didn't like about his afterward pushing orange which he said it was because "he was done with orange" which was out of context as it was contradicting his last stance when you asked him to sheep you.
that was what made me paranoid about his early game.