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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
That's NOT confirmed since Gyrr hasn't punished BC for griefing. You and gane might call it 100% griefing, but I dislike these kinds of arguments. This site has room for a lot of toxicity, and if BC gets punished for griefing, then that will negatively affect player behavior and meta on this site. For me, toxicity gets confused a lot with genuine anger. I think people should be allowed to be angry on the Internet.
Frinckles also disagrees with you two, so your argument isn't objective and clear-cut.
I disagree with you on a fundamental level. It is already against the rules to rage quit from a game. No, punishing people for threatening to replace out isn’t exaggerating. It is pretty toxic to say something like that. There’s a huge difference between being angry and being toxic. Nobody cares if FM arguments get heated and people start insulting each other; nobody polices that lol. This is different. It makes something that simply shouldn’t be a part of the game, part of the game.
Was BC ‘just angry here’? Yes, probably, but he was actually being toxic if he was scum, because he then used that to his advantage lol. I don’t see Banana doing that.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
Note that neither of us is saying Banana should already have been punished. That would happen after the game ends, not now. It would otherwise influence the game.
Gyrlander also cannot make that decision on his own. He’d have to run it through the FM staff first.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
You're wearing some thick thick thick brown colored lenses to view the thread with.
Why would Banana parrot your playstyle? Banana would use a different method to pocket you.
How in the world do you not recognize out-of-game bleeding into game frustration????
Why in the world do you think scummyBC is normal? Not only is this a meta read, this is a poor meta read. BananaCucho didn't get FM Champion by being a poor player and being scum read every game.
You see it as a pocket, but I protect my town reads as town. It's optimal play really. Town needs to push their agenda before we get scum pushing theirs. This game, I think most of the scum are among the harder to evaluate players. There's so many lurkers, scum probably just lurking.
Alright, then tell me when a pre-flip association actually worked out for you. Pre-flip associations don't work.
proof? lol
I was going to say he was hungover and we shouldn't be too harsh. Guess you beat me to it though.
I don't really get this question.
I mean, he said he got worse lol. Idk.
I still think it's a pocket, but okay. I'm fine with leaving it at that.
Yeah, maybe...
When I scumread rene. What other info do you expect us to work with when deciding who to lynch?
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
Why uh thank you?
For real though, I find parallels between me and Ganelon but maybe I've changed since then.
lol,how UwU
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Ganelon
I disagree with you on a fundamental level. It is already against the rules to rage quit from a game. No, punishing people for threatening to replace out isn’t exaggerating. It is pretty toxic to say something like that. There’s a huge difference between being angry and being toxic. Nobody cares if FM arguments get heated and people start insulting each other; nobody polices that lol. This is different. It makes something that simply shouldn’t be a part of the game, part of the game.
Was BC ‘just angry here’? Yes, probably, but he was actually being toxic if he was scum, because he then used that to his advantage lol. I don’t see Banana doing that.
On that note let's drop that topic till the end of the game.
I'd prefer a Naz lynch over anyone else currently.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
Gane seems to be sheeping and being vague at the same time... I may look into this later. This game is exhausting af though, lol.
but still funOWO
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
Good night y'all.
Why do I keep saying y'all when I'm not Southern...
uwu
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
Good night y'all.
Why do I keep saying y'all when I'm not Southern...
uwu
Night ceko.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Ganelon
Err, what parallels are you talking about lol?
I bet if you take a personality test (I recommend similarminds all in one) you'd come out as an INFP just like me. That's as a person
And as an FM player, you got like these wilder theories that you feel are just right. You blurt out your idea whereas I more likely process them, but still probably the same.
If I'm right your reputation is that you're an easy lynch (haven't read your games) and in similar fashion I was lynched day 1 is a lot the games I was in when I first started.
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The reason I’m vague is honestly I’m pretty lost this game. I had a decent start but mucked it when I realized I wasn’t sure what was happening. I did not understand why I was scunread for defending Frinckles, especially seeing as there is never a good reason for lynching AFKs if you have reserves on hand.
I’m well aware my play this game has been pretty terrible thus far, and honestly I probably shouldn’t have signed up for this game right now. But, you reap what you sow I guess lol.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
When I scumread rene. What other info do you expect us to work with when deciding who to lynch?
I.. don't remember why you scumread rent, only SuperJack's explanation stood out to me when I was reading as a reserve.
I expect you to read intent. I'm aware that the way I read people wouldn't be standard so I won't attempt to suggest you follow it. I also attempted to shoot two towns last game. So. Not a great track record.
... which is also why I have a problem with some of your ISOs (and pure ISOs in general) is that they don't take in consideration context, timing, votes, and other factors when a person said something.
Like your ISO on Frinckles was inherently biased. Now yes, we do ISOs on people we think are scummy, but you would need to recognize that bias and attempt to eliminate it.
IOW confirmation bias hurts ISOs
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Ganelon
The reason I’m vague is honestly I’m pretty lost this game. I had a decent start but mucked it when I realized I wasn’t sure what was happening. I did not understand why I was scunread for defending Frinckles, especially seeing as there is never a good reason for lynching AFKs if you have reserves on hand.
I’m well aware my play this game has been pretty terrible thus far, and honestly I probably shouldn’t have signed up for this game right now. But, you reap what you sow I guess lol.
If you want to play an FM, sign for a game. Your skill is independent of the games you should be let into. I had no problem with you defending Frinckles.
I don't think we should expect more reserves. It's already day 2. I think BananaCucho asked for a replacement and that's why one was made, but really we can't have lurkers lurking on this site. Players need to be posting in a text based game. Which is why it's in our imperative to PL AFKs, and in the chance that Noz is scum, somebody should show up to defend her.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
Night ceko.
You know that people are calling you a lurker right? What do you have to say about that?
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
Night ceko.
I can't sleep lol. I'm going to chill and reread.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Ganelon
My reason for voting Renegade was not poor lol. I already explained that I felt uncomfortable with how closely Renegade had been buddying me, especially without providing an adequate defense of me. Tbh if you ask me it’s peollyfrinckles lol.
Beaides, my scum buddy would never, ever try to save me like that. I would’ve bussed the fuck out of me if I were scum, simply because shit like that is too dangerous for the scum team. Tbh, I don’t see scum defending each other in this setup. Aamirus is much more likely to be Renegades scum buddy because she tried to get me to push someone other than him, thus drawing attention away from me and also buddying me. The cynic would also say that she was trying f to draw attention away from Renegade as well, who had basically outed himself as scum by defending me in that manner. Then, she did point out Renegades scuminess, so there’s that.
What?
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
@Ganelon
quite a few of your posts are looking like you know what scum will and won't do. Them sort of posts make me scum read you.
But then I can work my head around wtf happend with the D1 lynch if you are scum. Because it doesn't make sense.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
Green reply
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I was playing the game before Banana went full wewlad, they just didn't like the way I approached D1. So your major scum flag doesn't make sense.
Banana was right about your low lazy content. And you only really started to participate afterwards.
What also doesn't make sense is you polarizing me and Ganelon on different ends of the spectrum. It's not unfair to suggest that Ganelon's vote on Renegade was earlier and hold less weight than yours or Ceko's, is it? Why am I the villain in your mind for simply pointing this out? He's not being lynched today.
Ive not looked at his vote. I looked at the fact that he was on A 50/50 draw based lynch against a goon and the situation caused by said goon. I can't see Ren creating that situation if Gan is also a goon.
It's more plausible we're both town, hence why I've put him in my townreads. I'm only pointing out something that is worth considering down the line and you're doing mental gymnastics about it lol
I find it plausible that Gan is town. I don't find it plausible that you are town. Trying to fit yourself in with Gan "if he's town I'm town" isn't something someone that is town would say. Tends to be scum that have to post about reminding people they are town.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
I.. don't remember why you scumread rent, only SuperJack's explanation stood out to me when I was reading as a reserve.
I expect you to read intent. I'm aware that the way I read people wouldn't be standard so I won't attempt to suggest you follow it. I also attempted to shoot two towns last game. So. Not a great track record.
... which is also why I have a problem with some of your ISOs (and pure ISOs in general) is that they don't take in consideration context, timing, votes, and other factors when a person said something.
Like your ISO on Frinckles was inherently biased. Now yes, we do ISOs on people we think are scummy, but you would need to recognize that bias and attempt to eliminate it.
IOW confirmation bias hurts ISOs
If it provides you any comfort, I was just too tired to do anything besides include quotes that made frinckles look scummy. This was because I thought frinckles wanted me to be less inconsistent, so in response I just tunneled him lol. Also, I didn't want my ISO to be too confusing.
If you didn't know already, I said my opinion of frinckles improved while creating the ISO. I hate to admit it, but your response to my ISO is townie. People who did scumread frinckles for my bad ISO, such as naz, are probably more suspicious. All she had to say about it was I provided "points," which is just too vague for me.
I think your posts have a lot of words, but don't have as much content as they first appear.
Also, your avatar change is annoying as fuck. I'm not townreading you because you're now a cute bunny like me, and I hope no one else does either. If you're town, I don't see the point in trying to look more townie with this avatar change. Looks pretty desperate to me.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
@
Ganelon
quite a few of your posts are looking like you know what scum will and won't do. Them sort of posts make me scum read you.
But then I can work my head around wtf happend with the D1 lynch if you are scum. Because it doesn't make sense.
1) Frinckles either made an awful call as town or is actually scum.
2) Ren was forced to self-press. Otherwise, gane would be confirmed scum on day 2.
3) Varc's vote was most interesting:
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
Disagree, I think Frinkles is a higher priority lynch than Ren simply because
we know for a fact that him as town is a town leader. I don't know if he has something IRL to deal with currently, but I hate the coasting from him in every respect.
-vote Frinkles
However, he was a little uncertain of his vote:
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
You're right, he did think he was asylum counsellor in Insanity. I guess that kind of makes sense, but I still don't like it.
He was also AFK during EOD.
Maybe frinckles and varc were town and they just fucked up yesterday.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
Frinckles, gane, SP, and naz are top lynch targets for me right now OwO.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
On that note let's drop that topic till the end of the game.
I'd prefer a Naz lynch over anyone else currently.
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
Frinckles, gane, SP, and naz are top lynch targets for me right now OwO.
I'm up for Frinckles and SP.
We only need one more goon and we've won.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
Vote Count
Noz_Bugz (2 [L-3]):*
Frinckles,*secondpassing
naz (1 [L-4]):*
Varcron
secondpassing (2 [L-3]):*
theoneceko,*SuperJack
aamirus (1 [L-4]):*
naz
Frinckles (1 [L-4]):*
Noz_Bugz
Varcron (1 [L-4]):*
Ganelon
lolll
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
If it provides you any comfort, I was just too tired to do anything besides include quotes that made frinckles look scummy. This was because I thought frinckles wanted me to be less inconsistent, so in response I just tunneled him lol. Also, I didn't want my ISO to be too confusing.
If you didn't know already, I said my opinion of frinckles improved while creating the ISO. I hate to admit it, but your response to my ISO is townie. People who did scumread frinckles for my bad ISO, such as naz, are probably more suspicious. All she had to say about it was I provided "points," which is just too vague for me.
I think your posts have a lot of words, but don't have as much content as they first appear.
Also, your avatar change is annoying as fuck. I'm not townreading you because you're now a cute bunny like me, and I hope no one else does either. If you're town, I don't see the point in trying to look more townie with this avatar change. Looks pretty desperate to me.
lol u made convincing points but did i place my vote on him? no.
secondpassing summarizes my thought(in a post in reply to frinckles about how i take iso w a grain of salt) best when they wrote "confirmation bias hurts ISOs"
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
I'm up for Frinckles and SP.
We only need one more goon and we've won.
is there anyone else? frinckles was at L-2 earlier so i think he might not be scum and i just can't stop reading into banana's replace out :/
if u say me lol fine but game won't end with my lynch
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
On that note let's drop that topic till the end of the game.
I'd prefer a Naz lynch over anyone else currently.
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Originally Posted by
naz
is there anyone else? frinckles was at L-2 earlier so i think he might not be scum and i just can't stop reading into banana's replace out :/
if u say me lol fine but game won't end with my lynch
Varcron would be of interest. I've not had any good vibes from them. But I need to dig deeper into it. My focus has been on sp and banana.
Varcron should have a very good read on me though I think they called me out as the player who is easier to read. Something along those lines. I'll pull it up tonight if I've got the time. Unless someone else can do so.
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Stupid multi quote phone user shite.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
I find you readable, Frinkles late game is fairly readable but early game is hell on earth to read.
This?
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
On that note let's drop that topic till the end of the game.
I'd prefer a Naz lynch over anyone else currently.
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Originally Posted by
naz
This?
Yeh. Has he given any reads on me?
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
Interesting how as soon as I said you were a scum read you started explaining how you were fine with my lynch
-vote naz
Also I've been fine with your lynch since the beginning of day 2 when I stated my lynch pool today is anyone who didn't vote Gane or Rene at EOD yesterday
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
Yeh. Has he given any reads on me?
This is the only post after that where he even mentions ur name(its long so I'm just gonna post the link because I'm on mobile)
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...129#post865129
And the only other interaction I saw with you was where he quoted you and explained his ceko read
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
Banana was right about your low lazy content. And you only really started to participate afterwards.
Ive not looked at his vote. I looked at the fact that he was on A 50/50 draw based lynch against a goon and the situation caused by said goon. I can't see Ren creating that situation if Gan is also a goon.
I find it plausible that Gan is town. I don't find it plausible that you are town. Trying to fit yourself in with Gan "if he's town I'm town" isn't something someone that is town would say. Tends to be scum that have to post about reminding people they are town.
SuperJack, what in the actual hell are you even saying?
I was playing the game beforehand regardless of what the hell you believe. If I'm brought up as a lynch candidate I'm going to do my job to convey that I'm town. Banana believed I was town, still wanted me lynched anyway. That's not my fault.
Normally I'd say you're correct that Renegade wouldn't bus his partner there. But you aren't considering the context that the only other viable train at the time was Ganelon. Renegade could self pres'd and a Ganelon red flip could look to clear him while a green flip means he just did his part in surviving another day. This was my point about Ganelon that you literally just said you didn't look at, his initial vote. If Ganelon's early afk vote, my subsequent silliness and Ren's self pres made Gan look good -- then you've effectively towncored red. Do I think it's likely? No. Do I think it's plausible? Absolutely.
You know what doesn't sound rational? You intentionally polarizing two players because you aren't looking at the context of #1 the votes #2 the motives #3 the possibilities. I don't need a lecture on scum habits, I know how scum thinks; You've been free to vote whoever you like this game. Thanks for making the chart and voting Ren though!
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SuperJack
Ganelon
theoneceko
Secondpassing
Frinckles
naz
Varcron
aamirus
Noz_Bugz
Most people here agree Ceko, Ganelon, SJ are off the table. SP is largely getting a pass for our reads on Banana and all the other fluff. I know I'm town but fuck you all anyway. The other two are null slots, one of which was scumleaned by my and the other by SP recently. Other than that they're both largely null/ignored, except I think Banana townread Aamirus the most.
Barring null slots, the last two scum are Naz and Varcron. I like them both very much as people but from my perspective they need to die.
I don't see scum Aamirus flaking out of a game like this (hur dur my meta UwU) even though her early game seemed scummy. I don't know about Noz they felt town in tone originally and then just dipped.
This is literally my perspective for EOD 2. I don't know how else to convey this message better.
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AND NO
This is not a tiered reads list. It's my perspective of players separated and color coded. Ceko is townier than SJ, for example. The red is the scum team.
Only other possibilities are an AFK slot scum; (Noz, Aamirus) or a early Ganelon bus (Unlikely) or Banana is a silly fucking goose.
Congrats, I solved the game.
So if YOU DISAGREE that you are NOT SCUM (Varcron, Naz) you can CONSULT ONE OF THE ABOVE THEORIES.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
lol u still don't have a reason to scum read me tho smh my head
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u didn't solve the game lmao also I'd lynch ceko today
why should a town be afraid of coming off some sort of way ~_~
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Oh the last available theory would be a SJ bus I think. That's some tinfoil hat theory shit but they've seemed pretty chill about the lynch. Maybe that's just how SJ rolls. Even Naz, who is my scumpick celebrated lol. Plus SJ said he forgot that Discord was the standard so. Eh.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
naz
lol u still don't have a reason to scum read me tho smh my head
Scumreading you is hard. FeelsBadMan
Had to put ya in da box. FeelsGoodMan
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Scumreading you is hard. FeelsBadMan
Had to put ya in da box. FeelsGoodMan
its ok I'm just going to make fun of u post game :*
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ALSO u will owe me til I'm in silver since u didnt get me a beer muahahah
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
Also why arent u voting any of ur scum frinckles lol ur still on noz
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
naz
its ok I'm just going to make fun of u post game :*
Das fine.
So I listed the possibilities, what alternative am I missing that makes you town? You clearly don't seem to think its me and are pushing Ceko of all people. Why not Varcron or a policy lynch on Noz? You'd prefer the policy lynch on Aamirus?
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
naz
Also why arent u voting any of ur scum frinckles lol ur still on noz
Hood point fren. Forgot I switched from his wolfy pop in.
-vote Naz
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Originally Posted by
naz
Also why arent u voting any of ur scum frinckles lol ur still on noz
how the hell are you not silver? all you have to do is last hit minions and press all the buttons. :c
We goin to gold
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Das fine.
So I listed the possibilities, what alternative am I missing that makes you town? You clearly don't seem to think its me and are pushing Ceko of all people. Why not Varcron or a policy lynch on Noz? You'd prefer the policy lynch on Aamirus?
You haven't read my posts, my posts scream town, I've defended myself all day, and I didn't push ceko lol I just said he is in my pool.
I probably would switch my vote to Varcron or Noz, i was just hoping she would come in but even
@Gyrlander
seems to be afk when i asked for a replacement smh
Also I'm jungle main, when I try to lane i get some horrid jgl, and when I'm jgl my laners feed I'm fucking CURSED but i belong in gold QQ
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-vote naz
sooner I flip sooner we climb
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
naz
-vote naz
sooner I flip sooner we climb
I would literally vote myself on this website if I could but od the existing trains,,hdhsksm
-vote Varcron
inb4 rng between us 3
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
naz
You haven't read my posts, my posts scream town, I've defended myself all day, and I didn't push ceko lol I just said he is in my pool.
I probably would switch my vote to Varcron or Noz, i was just hoping she would come in but even
@
Gyrlander
seems to be afk when i asked for a replacement smh
Also I'm jungle main, when I try to lane i get some horrid jgl, and when I'm jgl my laners feed I'm fucking CURSED but i belong in gold QQ
I'm okay with Varcron too -vote Varcron
Eetz funny you and Varcron were kinda pushing Ceko a little tho SmugPepe as if its. some sort. of coordinated push.
But it doesn't matter. One or both of you is scum here and we only need one to win.
Also, Jungle Yi should be enough to AFK win to silver. Go Lethal Temp Keystone -> Attack speed Jg item -> Guinsoos and legit farm until level 6/7. Then run around, pressed R and cut everything in half. If you can get your top laner to tank baron (by having them hug baron and stand there) you can take it at the 20 minute mark. This strategy also works for Jax. Hell it probably works on Warwick who I've seen you play lol.
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Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
naz
I would literally vote myself on this website if I could but od the existing trains,,hdhsksm
-vote Varcron
inb4 rng between us 3
There's really no reason to self vote tho, outside of trying to garner empathy. The reason most places don't allow that is because it's seen as giving up; you should be trying to get ANYONE ELSE lynched even if it's another town because you ARE town right? If you're town you should just.. be the towniest you can be and hope it's seen. Then if Varcron flips green somehow, you get more pressure on you and the bar is raised again.