Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
I don't think I should even have to say it at this point but
@
theoneceko
is basically my biggest town read.
I swear to god if you are scum I will ragequit life.
I've had mixed feelings on ceko
On one hand, my gut tells me "TOWN TOWN TOWN" but some of the stuff he has said BD2 tells me otherwise, especially the contradictory posts immediately after eachother.
Other than those posts I can call him 100% town
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
Sorry, drawing a pretty hard line on Frinckles right now. Most, if not all of his scumreads, have contradicted mine. I think he's actively working to disrupt my towncore.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Where did I say you were inconsistent?
@theoneceko
(This shit never posted lol It's been in an open tab for like an hour.)
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
He did NOT do that until pushed. You're also ignoring how I wanted aami, varc, gane, and noz to towncore on day 1. A lot of Frinckles' scumreads contradict mine.
Yeah Frinckles clearly isn't working with me.
I'm not applying this:
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And besides, you can only work with people that work with you. If they disagree, then you gotta do it your own way.
to him. I'm applying it to me. Clearly, in insanity he was trying to make a towncore before he got lynched. Problem was, he wasn't involved enough day 1 to get himself into it. In fact, he faces the same problem because he wasn't active enough in a crucial part of the game, the start, to execute his strategy.
Frinckles clearly isn't working with you, but it doesn't mean I can't.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
Where is this Frinckles isn't working with Ceko coming from lol
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Where is this Frinckles isn't working with Ceko coming from lol
He's voting you. And SuperJack is voting me from what I can guess is because of Banana. He'll have to make it more clear. If this town is too divided to make a towncore, I will revert to my original strategies.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
He's voting you. And SuperJack is voting me from what I can guess is because of Banana. He'll have to make it more clear. If this town is too divided to make a towncore, I will revert to my original strategies.
I'm voting you because your slot looks scummy to me. Why try and cover my points up using Banana as a blanket?
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
The Ganelon late train was rushed and unexpected and the lynch on Renegade was difficult.
The lynch has drawn my attention to a few players.
Firstly, before a Frinkles train appeared it was Renegade on the spotlight.
Banana and Renegade worked together to get a lynch onto Renegade.
Then we have Frinkles, announcing a CFD (As they call it) and causing the End of Day to be a draw between Ren and Ganelon.
Frinckles only started playing after the Pressure Banana had placed onto Frinckles. Only playing when pushed is a major Scum flag.
Not only that, after the Lynch Frinkles has put shade onto Ganelon, who was lynched inplace of Ren.
Ganelons late train was wrong. I don't see how he could claim that Ganelon is being bussed unless Frinckles and Ren was working together. And if they where then this tatic is pointless because Frinkles would be calling out his own scum team and causing a loss.
Ganelons lynch was pushed by frinkles. So if Ganelons is town then its likely frinkles is scum
And if Ganelons is scum then frinkles is scum for pushing on Ganelons and claiming it could be bussing.
Todays lynch should be between Frinkles or BananaCucho. If one is not scum the other surely is.
I was playing the game before Banana went full wewlad, they just didn't like the way I approached D1. So your major scum flag doesn't make sense.
What also doesn't make sense is you polarizing me and Ganelon on different ends of the spectrum. It's not unfair to suggest that Ganelon's vote on Renegade was earlier and hold less weight than yours or Ceko's, is it? Why am I the villain in your mind for simply pointing this out? He's not being lynched today.
It's more plausible we're both town, hence why I've put him in my townreads. I'm only pointing out something that is worth considering down the line and you're doing mental gymnastics about it lol
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
The Ganelon late train was rushed and unexpected and the lynch on Renegade was difficult.
The lynch has drawn my attention to a few players.
Firstly, before a Frinkles train appeared it was Renegade on the spotlight.
Banana and Renegade worked together to get a lynch onto Renegade.
Then we have Frinkles, announcing a CFD (As they call it) and causing the End of Day to be a draw between Ren and Ganelon.
Frinckles only started playing after the Pressure Banana had placed onto Frinckles. Only playing when pushed is a major Scum flag.
Not only that, after the Lynch Frinkles has put shade onto Ganelon, who was lynched inplace of Ren.
Ganelons late train was wrong. I don't see how he could claim that Ganelon is being bussed unless Frinckles and Ren was working together. And if they where then this tatic is pointless because Frinkles would be calling out his own scum team and causing a loss.
Ganelons lynch was pushed by frinkles. So if Ganelons is town then its likely frinkles is scum
And if Ganelons is scum then frinkles is scum for pushing on Ganelons and claiming it could be bussing.
Todays lynch should be between Frinkles or BananaCucho. If one is not scum the other surely is.
Your quote of Banana is actually a massive misrep. Like, it's so pulled from context.
Banana was pushing for a PL on Frinckles. Banana was FOCUSED on the PL, as in, no other option was available for Banana. If Banana didn't get a PL onto Frinckles, they would replace out, which he did.
That frustration was REAL. Banana was not defending renegade, his directive was extremely clear. I find it odd that you did not manage to see it. Let's look at another quote:
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I'd bus the fuck out of Renegade to be honest.
How about this quote? How honest do you think this post is? I think it's fine to attack this slot's play yeah. I mean no offense to Renegade as a player but when he plays day 1, it's absolute garbage. I think Frinckles would have followed through with a bus if he was scum.
I also don't think Frinckles added shade to Ganelon, you're reading that wrong:
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Nah, no shenanigans with that vote. I legit just wanted to see Ganelon's flip. In all fairness both wagons could have been scum. Ganelon put his vote out on Ren relatively early whereas you and SJ went in hard on it.
This quote is also very genuine and does not pit Frinckles against Ganelon necessarily in a SvT or TvS situation. I believe his quote to be an accurate expression of his thoughts. Note the wording. In accord with the other things Ganelon has said, I think it is more of a TvT interaction.
Frinckles does have a bad habit of burning his own town support. See last game with insanity. More importantly to take a page from the forum mafia champion, your read of Ganelon/Frinckles is a
Pre-Flip Association.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
I'm voting you because your slot looks scummy to me. Why try and cover my points up using Banana as a blanket?
mmm okay? So what is it?
tone?
mood?
voting pattern?
something else?
Like I had to reconsider my vote on naz because while she seemed disingenuous with the tone she puts out (which is mad, and a little ticked off all the time) it might be hard to keep up when cooperation becomes more useful than skepticism.. which I would argue is actually right now, but maybe I can let it slide for now.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
Your quote of Banana is actually a massive misrep. Like, it's so pulled from context.
Banana was pushing for a PL on Frinckles. Banana was FOCUSED on the PL, as in, no other option was available for Banana. If Banana didn't get a PL onto Frinckles, they would replace out, which he did.
That frustration was REAL. Banana was not defending renegade, his directive was extremely clear. I find it odd that you did not manage to see it. Let's look at another quote:
How about this quote? How honest do you think this post is? I think it's fine to attack this slot's play yeah. I mean no offense to Renegade as a player but when he plays day 1, it's absolute garbage. I think Frinckles would have followed through with a bus if he was scum.
I also don't think Frinckles added shade to Ganelon, you're reading that wrong:
This quote is also very genuine and does not pit Frinckles against Ganelon necessarily in a SvT or TvS situation. I believe his quote to be an accurate expression of his thoughts. Note the
wording. In accord with the other things Ganelon has said, I think it is more of a TvT interaction.
Frinckles does have a bad habit of burning his own town support. See last game with insanity. More importantly to take a page from the forum mafia champion, your read of Ganelon/Frinckles is a
Pre-Flip Association.
Hey I was a cowboy in that game.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
He's voting you. And SuperJack is voting me from what I can guess is because of Banana. He'll have to make it more clear. If this town is too divided to make a towncore, I will revert to my original strategies.
Town already is divided. From what I gather ceko is the only really solid one in most reads here, I guess as a town leader kind of thing.
PS: If you are scum ceko, I'll chug some hot sauce.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
SuperJack you were supposed to reread Varcron.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
Town already is divided. From what I gather ceko is the only really solid one in most reads here, I guess as a town leader kind of thing.
PS: If you are scum ceko, I'll chug some hot sauce.
Are you for or against a PL?
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Varcron
Town already is divided. From what I gather ceko is the only really solid one in most reads here, I guess as a town leader kind of thing.
PS: If you are scum ceko, I'll chug some hot sauce.
hey thats my line
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
Noz_Bugz
hey thats my line
-vote Noz_Bugz
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
Are you for or against a PL?
I'm for a PL if it comes down to it, I'd much rather a majority though.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
mmm okay? So what is it?
tone?
mood?
voting pattern?
something else?
Like I had to reconsider my vote on naz because while she seemed disingenuous with the tone she puts out (which is mad, and a little ticked off all the time) it might be hard to keep up when cooperation becomes more useful than skepticism.. which I would argue is actually right now, but maybe I can let it slide for now.
lol i'm mad because i'm being piled on, first Frinckles pushing me for an argument that is false, then Varcron and you. i can't even push on some other slots(this included yours) because they've been afk. this game is just frustrating asf.
@Gyrlander
needs to replace
@aamirus
shes been gone over 24 hours, a modkill would be nice but there is a chance he can't because she might be scum
i'll be home later to read all these other wallposts, also everyone in the USA pls be safe also fuck this country
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
My ISO on Frinckles. It's split into day 1 SOD & MOD (start-of-day and middle-of-day), day 1 EOD, and day 2:
Day 1 SOD & MOD:
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Prefacing by saying, yes I did confirm my rolecard. I believed the game started today. My bad folks.
Not really my style in either alignment to go step-by-step and quote random shit just for a hot-take so I'll keep it brief. Feel free to ask me questions about whatever you like. I've read from page 7 up to now because, well -- I'm sure it was D1 garbage.
Also, I'm flattered so much attention has gone to my slot. For scum to gravitate the entire fucking game around my meta and Tales Of Yore is really gratifying.
Anyway out of the gates:
Noz_Bugz
theoneceko
Ganelon
BananaCucho
naz
Renegade
Varcron
SuperJack
aamirus
The top two have been for the most part, town in tone. This is even despite Noz only having 12 posts. In a huge contrast, Ceko @72 posts has been asking the right questions so far and it hasn't felt forced.
The next five are in some realm of chaotic bullshittery where they say "lets get Frinckles! no let's not get em!" back and forth. Like, there is no way the five of you seriously thought I wouldn't be informed to re-join or at worst have my slot replaced. I'm just trying to figure out if Ganelon was trying to white knight for me or if Naz/Banana are using the momentum of my train to spin it into another town member (and then whatever the fuck Varcron is doing.) There's definitely scum in there.
The last two are goofy because they both seem to be directly pushing for muh info lynches but contributed zero elsewhere. I don't know how towntelling it is to sarcastically chant Thunderdome! and do nothing at the same time. I don't know why SuperJack needs to make snippy remarks between his standard meta analysis spiel. I have thusly placed them as Cultists.
Anyway. those are the hottakes I've gotten after reading half of this game over the past 30 minutes. Feel free to question.
Scum!frinckles as town leader would mostly lynch town within his null reads. I don't like how vague he was here.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Yeah, but Banana knows Pringles will come back and claim his role or my replacement would. I got Citizen. Hooray!
In the same vein, I know there was no real pressure on me. I checked the vote tallies before I began catching up and rolled my eyes at what bullshit I was about to sort through. I know how scum think. CFD over to some other slot after I start towntelling. It's a surefire way to try to pocket me and force a mis-lynch at the same time.
My point is, there are 3 scum in this game. Why is a cluster of 5 from a 30 minute read disappointing to you? You're the town
scumleader right? Those are the fastest worthwhile takes I could fashion so do your part while I do mine.
In my opinion the scummiest person in this game is intentionally at the bottom of my reads list.
-vote Aamirus
He provided no reason for this vote. Neither did rene, who voted her forty minutes earlier: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...746#post864746
Frinckles's vote was after I wrote a wall on aamirus. Since this was the first time rene and frinckles voted this game, I suspected they were scum sheeping my vote. I was right about rene and I'm pretty certain about Frinckles too.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I've been reading and watching. :P Just waiting for Aamirus' flip currently. I'd also be open to voting SJ.
Reading pre-page seven for memes.
You and rene pushed aamirus. Also, SJ is my highest townread.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Well, you had a good amount of people jump to and from your train after I posted my initial reads.
Overall I feel like your gameplay this round has been pinging me a bit. Like, you're not doing the "gotcha" thing as frequently. I've seen it perhaps once from you on a remark from Renegade. Everything else seems way too nonchalant.
I'm also pretty cautious about Banana here. Like I said, they're pretty good at feigning frustration and can maintain this with a high post count.
Also while writing this post I just realized Mafia don't have a nightkill. I planned to turbolynch Banana if they were alive tomorrow.
Anyway, yeah. I'm cool with lynching you here.
He thinks aami is scum based on her meta. Meta arguments generally suck though. When's the last time she played anyway?
Day 1 EOD (this is where things get really interesting):
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
So first off I'm gonna towncore the following people:
theoneceko
Noz_Bugz
Varcron
so we can towntakeover outside of this.
Pocket attempt #1
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Nawh, that tone is way too fucking pure.
(ew that's a blinkskater line)
Pocket attempt #2
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
That sounds fine to me.
-vote Renegade
He starts laying a "scum trap" for me here.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
We're gonna chinese fire drill lol
His first sign of discomfort at rene's train, who was L-2 at the time.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
idk I kinda want Ganelon lol
Just to see if that whiteknighting shit was legit or not and all the stuff afterwards
-vote Ganelon
VOTE-SWITCH TIME!!!!! This puts rene and gane at L-3.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Doesn't seem like a BAD idea.
It only seems like a BAD idea if you're scum who went after him for "defending me reasons"
and now it's a BAD idea because you know he'll flip green.
This is what I mean by "scum trap." Good thing I realized this quickly, since I pointed this out in the post IMMEDIATELY after.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I'd bus the fuck out of Renegade to be honest.
On day 1?
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Was that a NL or are you summoning RNGesus
@
Gyrlander
?
Of course he would want either of these options since they keep rene alive.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
To be honest, either flip here being green points to ScumCeko or the optics would appear that way. Is that the line of logic you were expecting ScumFrinckles to push tomorrow?
More scumpainting. As I mentioned, my quick response to his trap is why he didn't pursue this.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I like Noz' tone even if there isn't much content. They're more likely to be lynched for inactivity at this rate anyway so I don't see them as a threat to the game. Besides, I like to Towncore the occasional lurker because it reduces the workload for worldbuilding and isolates scum.
And honestly Varcron.. He has fourteen posts lol
Asking me for my hottake on an old towncore post when you haven't read his fourteen is memes. SmugPepe
Pocket attempt #3. Nullreading lurkers is fine, but towncoring lurkers is ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Frinckles
theoneceko
SuperJack
Ganelon
BananaCucho
Noz_Bugz
aamirus
Varcron
naz
Nine players remaining and two are scum.
Identify reasons a player is likely not scum (this probably moves SJ, Ceko, Ganelon to green.)
Identify which slots aren't really worth a lynch because they offer little info (Noz.)
Identify which slots have not been voted for (Naz, Banana.)
Identify which slots have overwhelmingly been voted for (Me, Ganelon, Aamirus.)
Identify which slots are in electric-boogaloo spitelurker land (Banana.)
Also we have like four fucking mislynches lol pretty sure Town wins here.
Wrong.
I don't understand why she's in the orange while you and gane are green?
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Just go chill for a while. Varcron is in the box, you don't need to talk to him.
You posted 16 times after I left. Are you trying to assume town leader status in my absence?
Your box, not mine. Right now, I slightly townread varc.
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
K-pop mode engaged.
Trespasser will be shot.
Weird move. You think changing your avatar to a cute girl will get you townread?
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Naz I've focused on every player this game lol. That's a straight up lie.
Also, you avoided Blink & Solid in a game I hosted, which was fucking hilarious because Blink was powerwolfing and Solid was certified scum. But yeye, meta reset sure.
Giving a reads list isn't the same as focusing every player. The only person you pushed so far is naz.
Meta reads WEAK.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
One more note on frinckles:
His townread of nozbug is TMI confident.
Re: S-FM 300: Black Flag Nightless [LADDER] GAME THREAD
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Originally Posted by
secondpassing
OvO!!!!
uwu