Etheopian: 1-S2-1-10926928

Account Name: Etheopian
Account ID: 1-S2-1-10926928
In-Game Name: kill me n1 so i can start new game

Crimes Committed: Griefing

Your Account Name: yodaddy
Summary: Game starts out normal other than this player complaining about the save. Player is Escort in slot 3. Player wants to be killed so he can leave the game "legally". At timestamp 9:09 this player decides to use the -suicide option to kill himself and this is before 15 is lynched completely. This player does not leave a lw when he shows up dead next morning. This player DID NOT "Play to your role's win condition" and town was down an Escort. Town won because evils played poorly.

Replay: Attachment 27169

Etheopian: 1-S2-1-10926928

Yodaddy picks the his usual save that allows one lone triad, that can't kill. Honestly over time, people doesn't seem to hate this save, and it seems that Etheopean is the only person who shows strong hate towards it.
I can see the lone triad masquerading as a town gaining protectives and winning by winning ties against town, and I have seen it couple of times now.


Etheo uses the name "Kill me n1 so I can start a new game"
He is escort, rbs n1 and n2, but does not leave a lw.

Day 3, only one veteran is dead. 15 the deciever is lynched and Etheo types -suicide before 15's role reveal. Even after the reveal, he doesn't cancel the -suicide.

Intentional Gamethrowing
WLx2

1-S2-1-10926928: 2x WL

I am appealing this decision.

Please reference the below ruling from a similar report:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...1-S2-1-4475486

"We always maintain - if you don't like a save, you don't like how a game is going, or just don't feel like staying, once the game starts you can leave whenever you feel like it and it is not game throwing. Once you deliberately decide to ruin the game for others, stop taking any action in the game, or encourage others to stop playing, that is where it crosses the lines into game throwing."

I didn't like how the game was going, and I quit. There was no gamethrowing and no attempt to ruin the game. I played my role correctly, stayed the three days, and I decided to leave the game by committing suicide. Not leaving a LW is not great practice but it has never been punishable from what previous rulings show.

People who have committed much, much worse have had their reports ignored. This is a partisan punishment that I do not believe is well founded.

Earlier I was discussing with another staff that your punishment is greifing, rather than gamethrowing. This doesn't change much regarding your WLx2.

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I didn't like how the game was going, and I quit. There was no gamethrowing and no attempt to ruin the game. I played my role correctly, stayed the three days, and I decided to leave the game by committing suicide. Not leaving a LW is not great practice but it has never been punishable from what previous rulings show.

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Can you explain which aspect of the game's direction, that you didn't like at the time of the -suicide? It was day 2. Only one townie died n1, and town was lynching an evil. Is this any different from town lynching a random any neutral evil in a regular 8331 save? Would you quit every game where one townie died n1, and one evil was lynched day 2, because the game wasn't going well?

@Yodaddy2 your job is done (submitting the report). To ensure report threads stay relevant and as civil as possible it's common practice to restrict replies to the accused and staff who deliberate on the matter.

It is of my opinion that what you did is more aligned with griefing rather than game-throwing, and I will concede that looking at this report in a vacuum probably shouldn't result in any action being taken. But let me explain why I think a point needs to be made with this one. I have personally ignored two reports against you for causing a leave train against yodaddy's games based on the hidden nature of his setup. However that hidden nature isn't hidden anymore. Players are well aware for the most part what his setup can possibly contain and we never hear a peep of anyone kicking up such a stink as you do. There is no leave train reports, or griefing or game-throwing repots. Only ones against you. You have also clearly changed your approach to perpetuate this vendetta you have. -suicide has never been intended to be used how you used it.

This simply can't keep happening. This needs to stop. As another staff member said... we are not a court, we are not hamstrung playing a game of technicalities as if we were defence lawyers, judges, and prosecutors. As moderators of the game the core part of what we do it is to try and create the best environment for the game. Ask yourself, is what you are doing part of a good environment? Should players be expected to play gimped games because of your prejudice to constantly opt out of a rather benign off-meta setup?

We either allow you to keep doing this and alienate yodaddy and other people who get annoyed with what you do, or you have to stop this or quit lobbies with yodaddy in them and start another. Either way, this needs to end.

I'm willing to dismiss this watch-list if you can promise that we wont see any more of this in the report section, is that an acceptable compromise?