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Wish you the best
@MattZed
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@Stealthbomber16
@Renegade
It's kinda lame, but I'd appreciate it if you took part in this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
yzb25
I agree that addressing the illuminati threat takes priority, regardless of the veracity of mesk's claim.
the mafia had a discord chat with their teammate all night. Unless the hypothetical illuminati-mafia was very cautious, the mafia teammate should have some suspicion on their teammate if the teammate is indeed illuminati.
If there is an illuminati, then the mafia and the town have a common vested interest for the mafia to share their suspicion. But obviously the mafia wouldn't come out and share it because of the possibility of A/D.
This is what I'm wondering - is there some way of facilitating mafia to reveal that information without outing themselves? Perhaps we could all state a "peek" if we are mafia. I know in a normal game that sounds utterly absurd but I think it may make sense here.
"If I am mafia, I do not think my teammmate is illuminati."
literally that?
I don't see how answering either way could be seen as AI.
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baker too, but I'll let him catch up.
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Format "I do not suspect my teammate is illuminati"
"I suspect my teammate may be illuminati"
If you're mason, you can answer the corresponding way for mason, too. May as well make this multi-purpose.
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Re: ILLUMINΔTI (Ladder) 9P
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Originally Posted by
Mike
@bakermir
will be replacing
@MattZed
. Sorry for stopping the game but I was notified as I was going to bed. I needed my sleep so I decided to pause the game and get some sleep. This way you all do not lose 11 hours waiting on me to find your all a replacement for Matt. So Baker will be Posting for Matts Slot. Votes where reset Please reapply your votes if you want to. I copy and pastes the current votes on the previous post.
I hope everything is ok mattzed, take care!
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IT is unfortunate he had to sub out because this is his setup and he was very enthusiastic about it so I just hope everything gets better for mattz
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Also DM was being very biased towards Mattzed on d1 with their scumread, it was actually very hypocritical. I called it out earlier to host like "DM is being stupid he should get eliminated at this point, better than sleep"
I also had bunch of scumreads and townreads for d1, I will get on to that soon. I am still reading d2 because I only followed d1 so far.
I have bunch of things to say regarding Martin claim, DM, D1 sleep and more. I just arrived home and eating lasagna, expecting a work call but I will post my thoughts meanwhile
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
@
Auwt
if you are town, you are in a unique position to aid us, because you mechanically know far more about the true nature of this setup than any other town (likely), and you also have no need to be paranoid of half the players.
You should be sharing and pushing your mafia reads, while trying to swat down tinfoil conspiracies about illuminati groupings.
Ikr but honestly right now I expected Frinckles or Mesk to be scum, and in second hand either Matt or MM.
I'm a bit stunned with Frinckles' death.
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Originally Posted by
Renegade
This was my lw.
https://imgur.com/a/2TtvlIH
Here is my network analysis of d1 activity. There are 4 charts.
I reread the whole day and every time I saw a positive/neutral/negative interaction or mentioning of one player to another, or a vote, I counted it. Sometimes an interaction is a single post, sometimes single posts count for multiple interactions.
For example, post X could have a ren to mm, frinckles, martingg99 interaction generated from it. These interactions are from my perspective and how I interpreted them. I removed fluff, satire, and non-game related interactions.
The darker the color of the arrow, the more interactions that took place. The arrow starts at a source node, and points to target nodes. So in an example above, there would be three arrows starting at ren and pointing to frinckles, mm, and martingg99.
I would like to spend some time with you all and see what we can draw from these networks.
The first chart we will introduce is the "positive interaction/ agreement chart". These occur when it appears to me that two players are in agreement or are otherwise having a positive game related interaction with each other.
https://i.imgur.com/k2OYrKu.png
Here you can see, MM and MZ had the strongest positive interactions. What you end up finding though is a few players on the outside. For example, Mesk, Martin, and Frinckles.
The next chart introduced in the neutral interaction chart. These often occur when one player asks another player a question, or responds with an answer.
https://i.imgur.com/vhmSRIe.png
Here you can see the most acive players were MM, DM, MZ, and who they were interacting with.
This chart is the fun chart, all of the negative interactions, scumreads, scumleans, whatever you want.
https://i.imgur.com/pMfm2o8.png
Clearly, there is tension between Mesk and MM, and then a nexus of conflict between DM/SB and Renegade, Marshmallow, and MZ.
Many others have sat on the sidelines here.
Finally is the vote chart. This is how many unique times a person voted for someone else:
https://i.imgur.com/CNTxSI6.png
Shoutout to
@
bakermir
and
@
Helz
who also like charts.
btw this made me smile. welcome to the g00fy charts club, rene.
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I think Renae is putting in a lot of effort and honestly I was suspecting them d1 because how sweaty he seemed but seeing this effort reminded me of myself on our previous ladder game spirits. In that game I was tryharding and got eliminated for it because "cHaRtS aRe sCuM" "wAlL PoSts aRe sCuM"
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now I need to bring everyones attention to something far more important..
Frinckles (3 [L-2]):
Marshmallow Marshall, Auwt, MattZed
MattZed (3 [L-2]):
Mesk514, yzb25, Frinckles
Renegade (1 [L-4]):
Stealthbomber16
Mesk514 (1 [L-4]):
Renegade
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First of all, fuck MM. I don't even know why MattZed was townreading MM here. I think a lot of people are scummy here
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Second, MattZed had an interesting night last night. What I am going to say is that MattZed couldn't get his night action in due to reasons.
This kinda explains his behavior here and I will talk more on this but I would rather let the other person speak if they wish to. If they don't speak then I might consider it wifom and play along.
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Third, I want to know why Renegade, SB16 and Martin didn't vote between Frinckles and MattZed??
SLEEP = the most anti-town thing you can do in a setup with a sanitizing godfather
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brb now, work call and dinner
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
yzb25
@
Stealthbomber16
@
Renegade
It's kinda lame, but I'd appreciate it if you took part in this:
I don't see how answering either way could be seen as AI.
Irrelevant because I’m not mafia but
Let’s say, hypothetically, I was mafia or even a mason. In that theoretical world, I would have no reason to believe that my teammate, the other mafia member or the mason, were a member of the illuminati.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Auwt
Ikr but honestly right now I expected Frinckles or Mesk to be scum, and in second hand either Matt or MM.
I'm a bit stunned with Frinckles' death.
Can you please have a reaction to the fact that Martin called you illuminati that isn’t “no, I’m going to bed?”
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I’m a bit stunned that being called mechanical scum means nothing to you
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Maybe that’s the drama major in me
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Can you please have a reaction to the fact that Martin called you illuminati that isn’t “no, I’m going to bed?”
Pretty sure I did have a reaction lemme check.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
bakermir
Third, I want to know why Renegade, SB16 and Martin didn't vote between Frinckles and MattZed??
SLEEP = the most anti-town thing you can do in a setup with a sanitizing godfather
Instead of being around at EoD I did the scummiest thing possible and had dinner with my family.
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Welp either Mike is terrible at coinflipping
Or Auwt is suspected to be Illuminati
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Originally Posted by
Auwt
Well then I can officially claim there isn't any Illuminati in this game.
Here it is.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Auwt
Here it is.
Have you claimed a role yet?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Have you claimed a role yet?
No, I haven't claimed yet.
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Originally Posted by
Auwt
No, I haven't claimed yet.
So am I understanding correctly here that you are purposefully not claiming in the face of this mechanical check? I don’t mean for this to be a loaded statement, just understanding the situation.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
So am I understanding correctly here that you are purposefully not claiming in the face of this mechanical check? I don’t mean for this to be a loaded statement, just understanding the situation.
This "mechanical check" is biaised.
Why should I bother to reveal?
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Originally Posted by
Auwt
This "mechanical check" is biaised.
Why should I bother to reveal?
I don’t think this is a wrong way to go about things I just don’t think it’s the way I would’ve done it. As a result it puzzles me.
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Originally Posted by
Renegade
Why don't you put your vote back on me? Is it because everyone else is now looking at auwt ? Lol
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Originally Posted by
Mesk514
Why don't you put your vote back on me? Is it because everyone else is now looking at auwt ? Lol
We will deal with you tomorrow once Marino gets his purple chekc onyou.
Purple sheriff with a boggled claim lmaooo
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Originally Posted by
Renegade
We will deal with you tomorrow once Marino gets his purple chekc onyou.
Purple sheriff with a boggled claim lmaooo
I'm not even a sheriff, lol. Martin can check me, that's fine. That still doesn't discredit your stupid scummy fence sitting, literally requiring others to do the work for you lolol
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I know you aren't afraid to vote Auwt, your last game you hard bussed your partner the whole game.
Any my charts are at least a contribution, better than "oh I have no time to play and I'm in a car rn" LOL
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Originally Posted by
Renegade
better than "oh I have no time to play and I'm in a car rn" LOL
lmfao you're gonna attack the fact i have a full time job while in the midst in exams. low and pathetic, keep grasping on those strings
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
This is way more helpful than my last will was
I didn't even have a last will lol.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
MattZed
@
Marshmallow Marshall
, to give a fuller answer to "but Matt, why the 180 on SB yesterday???": It's because I stopped thinking about how is *SB* playing and started thinking about how the *slot* is playing. I cannot remotely fathom how you thought DM was playing too poorly to be scum. I'm much more on team "Occam's Razor."
Occams razor, while it can be useful, in some situations isn't perfect because what "occams razor" does can vary wildly from person to person depending on the prior assumptions or interpretations one makes. Or if you don't value things as much or as little as others do.
My occams razor was that Dark Magician was V based on a few factors that I considered and/or valued. Yours was that he was scum on the factors that you considered and/or valued.
See the problem?
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Uhuhuh, okay? This only shows the amount of posts, so it's not very useful imo. Mafia isn't about sheer numbers, it's much more about qualitative assessments. In those charts, I could say "I don't like your face" 10 times and I'd come up as being highly anti-Renegade even though it's far less damning than 3 posts containing elaborated logical cases against you.
A+ for effort though lol. NAI
Agree with this for the most part.
Regardless though, it does point out how little interaction occurred with Auwt's slot. I just don't think he would go through all of day 1 without really being interacted with all that much when people such as you or Matt were scum-reading Frinckles or Dark Magician and (quite possibly) would have interacted with Auwt more to determine his alignment.
It just looks odd that Auwt (metaphorically) passed the inspection without being inspected.
Admittedly, I didn't interact with him that much but that was intentional since I wanted to see if there would be any non-Martin initiative in interacting with him.
I would also like to note that I did check Auwt's interactions with Mesk514 before I left, and he has quoted or mentioned Mesk quite a few times in his ISO (at least 9 times on D1). so I don't really get why Renegade says this earlier:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Renegade
Very interesting is that Auwt and Mesk have very little interaction. So let's say Auwt is purp, I would be more inclined to believe that she is purp as well. I don't think purps would associate very much especially d1.
When that isn't exactly true.
Well, technically they didn't directly interact all that much, but Auwt sure said her name quite a few times, or many times if you relatively consider the length of Auwt's ISO.
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Originally Posted by
MattZed
DM asking us questions *we had already answered* wasn't?
Quite frankly I've seen this happen many times across my recent games off-site from here. I don't think its in any shape or form a strong AI.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
I would also like to note that I did check Auwt's interactions with Mesk514 before I left, and he has quoted or mentioned Mesk quite a few times in his ISO (at least 9 times on D1). so I don't really get why Renegade says this earlier:
When that isn't exactly true.
Well, technically they didn't directly interact all that much, but Auwt sure said her name quite a few times, or many times if you relatively consider the length of Auwt's ISO.
It is fluff. Long posts and shit appear sometimes to be towny, but they're not always. In this case there's actually not much that can be determined from his long post + I has inaccuracies. lol
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Renegade
Very interesting is that Auwt and Mesk have very little interaction. So let's say Auwt is purp, I would be more inclined to believe that she is purp as well. I don't think purps would associate very much especially d1.
I saw this in martin's ISO and need to revisit it because I skimmed past this on accident.
The problem with this assertion is that it doesn't go both ways. Mesk didn't acknowledge Auwt. Like, at all. But Auwt definitely acknowledged Mesk. Auwt was one of the people who was talking about Mesk the most yesterday. Good thing we have a chart to reference for that, right?
This is either serious tunnel vision or its incredibly awful scumpainting because you literally provided statistical evidence that goes against it.
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
I saw this in martin's ISO and need to revisit it because I skimmed past this on accident.
The problem with this assertion is that it doesn't go both ways. Mesk didn't acknowledge Auwt. Like, at all. But Auwt definitely acknowledged Mesk. Auwt was one of the people who was talking about Mesk the most yesterday. Good thing we have a chart to reference for that, right?
This is either serious tunnel vision or its incredibly awful scumpainting because you literally provided statistical evidence that goes against it.
did I really write martin's ISO?
I saw it in martin's post. not iso.
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His chart shit doesn't even actually say anything, lol. He doesn't form any beliefs or conclusions... it's pretty much left for the person to read to interpret what he's trying to say... which is vague.... and another example of fence sitting
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Originally Posted by
Mesk514
I must confess, I am actually a citizen, but I love the fact that Renegade basically conceded and had MattZed have to ping him to vote me. PogChamp
lynch me for it, I don't care. But based on his reaction, Renegade and probably MattZed are scum. Not only that, but the fact that they completely disregarded the Illuminati feedback says it all
After trying a few convoluted ways to explain why I don't care for the timing of the votes, I'll leave it at:
I'm basically going to ignore it.
Practically because you called him specifically consigliere and therefore Renegade could know you're fake-claiming if he was godfather, just as a !town renegade would.
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Originally Posted by
Mesk514
His chart shit doesn't even actually say anything, lol. He doesn't form any beliefs or conclusions... it's pretty much left for the person to read to interpret what he's trying to say... which is vague.... and another example of fence sitting
I actually prefer my charts ambiguous.
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Mesk you really fucked up the gambit by calling him consig instead of godfather.
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
She has a point: you haven't given clear and commited-to reads this game, and that's scummy (it's actually a pretty good point you're making mesk lol). I simply fail to see her point about your reaction.
This.
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Mesk you really fucked up the gambit by calling him consig instead of godfather.
Fuck me why do I never proofread posts
consig instead of mafia.
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Originally Posted by
Renegade
What is amazing and I see it all the time on this site is when someone claims to reaction test you, there is no way you can have a reaction that makes them think you aren't scummy. React too passively? Scum. React too aggressively? Scum. Get frustrated when someone fakes a claim on you and tries to get you lynched? Scum.
Also this.
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Originally Posted by
Mike
Due to MattZed having a real life emergency I will be replacing him out. I do not have his replacement yet.
@MattZed
please remove your vote before you go so I do not have to reset votes. Do not post anything about game Mattzed just vote unvote ty. I will say who is replacement soon.
Ouch.
Goodluck
@MattZed
hope things get better.