S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

1st hand : Paopan, Mike, jmw, Oberon, oliver.
2nd hand : MM, luonia, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light
last resort : PQR, Frinckles

That's the pool I'm recommending.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

1st hand : Paopan, Mike, jmw, Oberon, oliver.
2nd hand : MM, luonia, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light
last resort : PQR, Frinckles

That's the pool I'm recommending.

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What I'm expecting at the moment is :

2 scums amongst the first group.
2 scums amongst the second group.
0 scum amongst the last one.

Town lean:
jmw;mm;porn;luona
null:
oberon;frinckles;mike; gikkle
scum lean:
auwt; paopan; ly; lolbit

And auwts concept of 1.Hand and 2.Hand doesnt make sense lol

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

Ai means alignment indicative
and who was more quiet than you 2? I was asking you to be able to read you.
and the names list vanished while typing, due to a strange reload of the website. Havent found the motivation yet to rewrite.
and how was i defending gikkle? I said "im not sure" when porn attacked gikkle w/o proper explaination. Thats all.
Theres almost no content for any strong reads tbh.

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Thanks !
At the time, i think Auwt had been, and currently Frinckles & Oberon are the most silent. I also have a small # of posts but i tend to sum answers in one large post.
Thats sad, especially because i agree with the approach. If i can squeeze out the time i'll do something similar to what you proposed.
Yes, perhaps "defending gikkle" is an overstatement. let's say you are the only one vocal about not thinking Gikkle is the lynch. Why is that btw ? Just cuz you dont have a read on him ?

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Actually only loldebite was smart enough to realize he's a threat we should get rid of.

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You've mistaken me with Frinckles or oliver, my vote was RVS and i later opposed the train.

Fuck i forgot the leading / in the closing MENTION...

Gikkle just fluffs, as usual

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Originally Posted by Auwt

1st hand : Paopan, Mike, jmw, Oberon, oliver.
2nd hand : MM, luonia, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light
last resort : PQR, Frinckles

That's the pool I'm recommending.

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You think me and mayor are scum team. Interesting, I would love to hear your thought process on how I am scummy. Please elaborate add post bury me. If I am scum sheriff this is you chance to show town. Without throwing paint with nothing to back it up. Playing with you Awut in past games as town you never have a problem backing what you say up so let me have it let’s see this.

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

And auwts concept of 1.Hand and 2.Hand doesnt make sense lol

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Why not ? Doesnt seem so ridiculous to me... It's another flavour of "i agree to vote for the scummiest among X" based on people and not roles.

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

Gikkle just fluffs, as usual

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Mh. You probably have more experience playing with him than me.

I've had trouble making a list of expandable roles that was not 2 roles long, so instead here's what roles i think are most dangerous if they fall in bandits hand:
dangerous: Vigi (KP), LO (spreading false info), Mayor (forcing bad lynches), Jailor (KP), CD (f_cking shit up), Sheriff (false info), GD (could be any of the former)
harmless: Survivalist (literally goon), Doctor (may protect scum from vigi, but thats it), CS (basically goon), Veteran (cant do anything on his own), BG (worst case scenario : 1-1)

Mike raises a good point, tho, i also would like to know how and why these pools are such.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Odd reaction ngl.

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Elaborate. He's on your "top" scum list yet it's.... odd?

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Originally Posted by Auwt

If people actually decide to make a move to get Paopan out of the table, I'm all in with them.

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Why won't you start the train if you want it on me? Playing it safe? Day or night. Lynch or no lynch. Town suspects you. Good plays.

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Originally Posted by jmw

Paopan if you have time sometime explaining what you don't like about these players would be nice. I'll read it tomorrow.

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Unless Gikkle could explain his vote. He should be the next PoE regardless of alignment.
Auwt for me is WTF moment. I suspected him becos he wanted to vote out the sheriff... So yeah, his PoE looks like playing it "safe". The power roles and protect roles are far from his list. To be honest, that's a bandit list. I'm really fine with no lynch as "Oberon" if town, would execute Auwt! scum.
I have a feeling of oberon and loldebite being low-key scum.

Loldebite called my day 1 "reads" as "posting his opinion too late". Scum remarks.

I'll try to only 1h-30min before EoD. Pretty bad on my schedule. Expect me always out of EoD.


The Lord Mayor will park his vote on

-vote Gikkle

My other 3 scum list are oliver, loldebite, and Auwt.
I have no town leans atm. So yeah.
I'm expecting good results from night investigative for tomorrow, regardless of whether I live or die.

Just kill anyone tonight. 9 town, 4 bandits. Not that bad on randomly, kill a bandit, and you're confirmed town. Your decision will greatly help the town in the upcoming days. @Jailor/Vig

Depending on the results. Oliver or Auwt should be the next PoE && Expedite the PoE on the escort if he RBed the wrong guy.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Why not ? Doesnt seem so ridiculous to me... It's another flavour of "i agree to vote for the scummiest among X" based on people and not roles.


Mh. You probably have more experience playing with him than me.

I've had trouble making a list of expandable roles that was not 2 roles long, so instead here's what roles i think are most dangerous if they fall in bandits hand:
dangerous: Vigi (KP), LO (spreading false info), Mayor (forcing bad lynches), Jailor (KP), CD (f_cking shit up), Sheriff (false info), GD (could be any of the former)
harmless: Survivalist (literally goon), Doctor (may protect scum from vigi, but thats it), CS (basically goon), Veteran (cant do anything on his own), BG (worst case scenario : 1-1)

Mike raises a good point, tho, i also would like to know how and why these pools are such.

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first hand
2 scum, 5 ppl
second hand
2 scum, 5 ppl
theres no difference between 1. and 2. hand

and vigi isnt dangerous. Its 1 town kill and vanilised, and unless bd is lying with him to create an excuse, the second night kill will be easily routed back

And notpaopans just toxic coz i wanted to lynch him lol

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

If You Were Tied To A Chair Youd Prob Like It.. Ha Ha...

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lol

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

But To Address Your Point Sure.. Its Easy For Him To Say That If He Is Scum... Even if He Is Faking A Town Mind Set.. Either Way He Is Either Scum.. Or Is A Sheep/Town Following You & Mike.. When Im Welp Town.. Either Way You And Mike Are Wrong In You Assessment Of My Slot.. But Im Willing To Be Lynched To Prove You Wrong..

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... yeah but that doesn't prove much.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

If people actually decide to make a move to get Paopan out of the table, I'm all in with them.
Actually only loldebite was smart enough to realize he's a threat we should get rid of.
And once again none of my votes so far has been a RVS vote, the threat is present and you guys know it.
Up to you to actually leave him alive and therefore pay the price later on, in the event he is bandit, which is infact quite likely considering how he has played so far.

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No, Oliver said that too.

Now this is what interests us: why do you think Paopan is likely scum (considering the way he played, not the fact he has two votes)?

MM, are you still on oberon?

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Just kill anyone tonight. 9 town, 4 bandits. Not that bad on randomly, kill a bandit, and you're confirmed town. Your decision will greatly help the town in the upcoming days. @Jailor/Vig

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Kill a townie, which is more likely, and you're harming the town hard.......... no, this is a terrible idea lol. Vigi/jailor kills should never be random, and a vigi/jailor explaining his kill by "I randomed" WILL get lynched for it, so don't do it :)

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

MM, are you still on oberon?

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No, I even townread him a little. To see the vote count, go top right of the page and click "Vote Count".
Also I have to go, sorry :P

Looks like theres a front:

auwt; lolbit; myself
VS.
paopan

he scumreads us, we scumread him.
and i dont have anything in common with the other two guys.

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Kill a townie, which is more likely, and you're harming the town hard.......... no, this is a terrible idea lol. Vigi/jailor kills should never be random, and a vigi/jailor explaining his kill by "I randomed" WILL get lynched for it, so don't do it :)

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Go big or go home

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Elaborate. He's on your "top" scum list yet it's.... odd?



Why won't you start the train if you want it on me? Playing it safe? Day or night. Lynch or no lynch. Town suspects you. Good plays.



Unless Gikkle could explain his vote. He should be the next PoE regardless of alignment.
Auwt for me is WTF moment. I suspected him becos he wanted to vote out the sheriff... So yeah, his PoE looks like playing it "safe". The power roles and protect roles are far from his list. To be honest, that's a bandit list. I'm really fine with no lynch as "Oberon" if town, would execute Auwt! scum.
I have a feeling of oberon and loldebite being low-key scum.

Loldebite called my day 1 "reads" as "posting his opinion too late". Scum remarks.

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Consider my vote to be a multi-vote against those in the following list :

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1st hand : Paopan, Mike, jmw, Oberon, oliver.

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I'm the leading train on you.
I'm the leading train on Mike.

Am I playing it safe ? I don't know if that's the word, but I am playing correctly and according to my reads.
Town suspects me? Interesting then keep suspecting me, I don't mind, why should I actually, because you must be scum.
You are the exact copy of all of your recent games.

Sheriff or whatever the role is I don't care at all, Mike's behaviour alongside yours and jmw's are not towny.
Maybe jmw got mind washed by all deceiving argument you guys brought up, that's unclear as to myself.

Oberon executing me? Great, I hope he does so, and if he does almost all the bandit would be outed by D2, including you.
If I manage to at least make 2 bandits go down with me, then I largely did my job in fact.

Let's make this simple. Considering the fact that Oliver "doesn't" like the votes on Gikkle.

If Gikkle flipped bandit, he's the next PoE

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Originally Posted by Auwt

You are the exact copy of all of your recent games.

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So you're basing your reads on your "meta" reading skills. That's... so bad

Yeah.. Your PoE is shit @Auwt .

Gikkle isn't even in your first whilst he's the most suspicious one in this day. How so?

Without explanation. I'm going to mark you buddying along with Gikkle which leads up to Oliver.

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

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lol


... yeah but that doesn't prove much.


No, Oliver said that too.

Now this is what interests us: why do you think Paopan is likely scum (considering the way he played, not the fact he has two votes)?

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You may have played with him in recent games.
I believe I have played all games he was in, whether as an host or as a player.
Lowkey, not participating, and suddenly joining some hours before day end with a "not so" majestic wagoon against someone else.
PQR knows what I'm talking about as he was the victim of that scheme in the last FM.

How is that different from our today dear Mayor Paopan?

Wouldn't you be more inclined to play and become way more active if you get town for the first time out of many games?

I am seeing a dull Paopan playing is old-fashioned scum game.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

You may have played with him in recent games.
I believe I have played all games he was in, whether as an host or as a player.
Lowkey, not participating, and suddenly joining some hours before day end with a "not so" majestic wagoon against someone else.
PQR knows what I'm talking about as he was the victim of that scheme in the last FM.

How is that different from our today dear Mayor Paopan?

Wouldn't you be more inclined to play and become way more active if you get town for the first time out of many games?

I am seeing a dull Paopan playing is old-fashioned scum game.

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Let's hold that thought until you die or made it up to post-game chat.

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Yeah.. Your PoE is shit @Auwt.

Gikkle isn't even in your first whilst he's the most suspicious one in this day. How so?

Without explanation. I'm going to mark you buddying along with Gikkle which leads up to Oliver.

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Is it a requirement to have Gikkle on my list since some players seem not to like him ?
I don't think so, that's what you call being "genuine"

Some players may lack of it : )

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Is it a requirement to have Gikkle on my list since some players seem not to like him ?
I don't think so, that's what you call being "genuine"

Some players may lack of it : )

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If you don't think Gikkle is suspicious, you're either blind or scum alongside him.

That's my take. This applies to everyone.

Oh well. It's too early. But we'll see after the upcoming flips on day/night 1

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Loldebite called my day 1 "reads" as "posting his opinion too late". Scum remarks.

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Innacurate, i do not mind you posting your "reads" late, i reproach you barely talking at all (a fair amount or talking, but little to no seriousness, no fishingup until now, ie hours before EoD. Even now, explanations seem to much to ask for...

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Just kill anyone tonight. 9 town, 4 bandits. Not that bad on randomly, kill a bandit, and you're confirmed town. Your decision will greatly help the town in the upcoming days. @Jailor/Vig

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Go big or go home

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Really ? That's the best you've got ?

I almost voted you, but i'd like to hear from @Gikkle before i do.
@Frinckles 's opinion would also be most welcome, cuz i value his opinion as a fellow dev :)

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Go big or go home

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Like by lynching the potentially scum mayor for the sole reason he's mayor, potentially getting rid of 2 scum votes at once? :)
That's how good your logic is. And if you really are clinging to that, I might consider the above possibility.

Also, why are you so scandalized by Gikkle's blank vote against Frinckles? I agree he needs to explain it, but you're massively overreacting, unless there's something I didn't see about the vote. And I'll reply to your associations all built around Gikkle being scum because of one blank vote with associations around you:
- Paopan/Auwt not SvS
- Paopan/Gikkle not SvS and probably SvT (their relationship is incredibly fishy)

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Consider my vote to be a multi-vote against those in the following list :

I'm the leading train on you.
I'm the leading train on Mike.

Am I playing it safe ? I don't know if that's the word, but I am playing correctly and according to my reads.
Town suspects me? Interesting then keep suspecting me, I don't mind, why should I actually, because you must be scum.
You are the exact copy of all of your recent games.

Sheriff or whatever the role is I don't care at all, Mike's behaviour alongside yours and jmw's are not towny.
Maybe jmw got mind washed by all deceiving argument you guys brought up, that's unclear as to myself.

Oberon executing me? Great, I hope he does so, and if he does almost all the bandit would be outed by D2, including you.
If I manage to at least make 2 bandits go down with me, then I largely did my job in fact.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

You may have played with him in recent games.
I believe I have played all games he was in, whether as an host or as a player.
Lowkey, not participating, and suddenly joining some hours before day end with a "not so" majestic wagoon against someone else.
PQR knows what I'm talking about as he was the victim of that scheme in the last FM.

How is that different from our today dear Mayor Paopan?

Wouldn't you be more inclined to play and become way more active if you get town for the first time out of many games?

I am seeing a dull Paopan playing is old-fashioned scum game.

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First of all: I like the change in tone compared to early D1 posts, which were lackluster and often just poor mechanical talk. Auwt's recent posts are much better and actually involve solviness and scumhunting.
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I play in pretty much all games and have done so ever since I've joined the site, actually, so I've seen him too and I must say you're right, he's not playing any differently from his scum self. And while I wouldn't be inclined to become more active because I'm always as active as I reasonably can no matter my alignment since I love the game, I would certainly feel some hype and additional fun if I were playing my first town game ever after playing scum several times; can't say I'm seeing the hype here. Only lazy statements. @NotPaopan do you have any reads that are unrelated to Gikkle?

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

My other 3 scum list are oliver, loldebite, and Auwt.
I have no town leans atm. So yeah.
I'm expecting good results from night investigative for tomorrow, regardless of whether I live or die.

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(more specifically, why do you scumread those people?)

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Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Your flawless punctuation should not detract from my earlier points. You voted me then Frinckles with 0 substance. Explain this!

You voted jmw to bus your teammate then you went on hunting. Convince me.

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Is this really what the Gikkle train consists of? He is guilty of placing an early blank vote (and I just saw he said it was RVS vote, which is fair)? @PQRnHack @Frinckles if that's really it, it's disappointing. At this point I'm gonna go with

-vote NotPaopan

unless he convinces me to do otherwise.

Also, everyone is encouraged to place a vote with lynch intent on a reasonable lynch candidate to avoid a no-lynch.
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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Innacurate, i do not mind you posting your "reads" late, i reproach you barely talking at all (a fair amount or talking, but little to no seriousness, no fishingup until now, ie hours before EoD. Even now, explanations seem to much to ask for...




Really ? That's the best you've got ?

I almost voted you, but i'd like to hear from @Gikkle before i do.
@Frinckles 's opinion would also be most welcome, cuz i value his opinion as a fellow dev :)

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I encourage you to place a vote to follow your words.

ALL ABOARD THE LYNCH TRAIN
CHOO CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Pff i like how paopan saw a) me thinking mayor is useless b) not understanding gikkle train= scum with gikkle.

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Elaborate. He's on your "top" scum list yet it's.... odd?



Why won't you start the train if you want it on me? Playing it safe? Day or night. Lynch or no lynch. Town suspects you. Good plays.



Unless Gikkle could explain his vote. He should be the next PoE regardless of alignment.
Auwt for me is WTF moment. I suspected him becos he wanted to vote out the sheriff... So yeah, his PoE looks like playing it "safe". The power roles and protect roles are far from his list. To be honest, that's a bandit list. I'm really fine with no lynch as "Oberon" if town, would execute Auwt! scum.
I have a feeling of oberon and loldebite being low-key scum.

Loldebite called my day 1 "reads" as "posting his opinion too late". Scum remarks.

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interesting.
in alarming red.

"he should be the next poe regardless of alignment"

so you are doing basically the same, what i was accused of. Heavy scum points for you.

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Let's make this simple. Considering the fact that Oliver "doesn't" like the votes on Gikkle.

If Gikkle flipped bandit, he's the next PoE

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i have a better idea. We lynch you. Nothing easier, one scumbag less.

-vote notpaopan

@Auwt @Loldebite
follow me. One for all, all for one!

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

interesting.
in alarming red.

"he should be the next poe regardless of alignment"

so you are doing basically the same, what i was accused of. Heavy scum points for you.

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If I understand this post correctly :

1 ) You consider yourself as a townie (who doesnt actually)

2 ) You (as a town) were accused of a certain thing.

3 ) Paopan does that same thing.

4 ) You are giving scum points to Paopan.


Logical problems occuring I believe, or did I miss anything?

Let the record show that I'm more than willing to die on a future day if I fail to intercept Mafia kills (or me and Vig kill eachother lol.)

That way you won't have to guess about the plausibility of me being Mafia and I can provide a constant threat to them if they're unwilling to eliminate me themselves.

At the same time I need to do some catching up to get a decent PoE here. It'll be the same old box the wolves strategy so I'm not expecting any high level of accuracy.

@PQRnHack pls look at his statements. Remember what happened last time? Think rational, not emotional!

I think out of sheer mechanical implications, I'd like to lynch MM. If me and Vigilante are town, a Mafia Doctor makes some sense. I guess a Mafia BG does too in a way, but if I were scum I'd be sacking myself for a teammate which would be dumb.

I don't think oliver (Vigilante) is a member of the town, tbf.

Oh he is survivalist mb then.
I still dont believe him to be town though.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Oh he is survivalist mb then.
I still dont believe him to be town though.

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Gotcha. Like I said I need to catch up a tiny bit and probably respond to some quote mentions since I have 4 in my inbox. Don't want to be completely dead weight D1.

My Frinckles vote was just because it seemed like wasn't actually trying to solve, and his "As far as solving the game, I fear I won't be around long enough to influence it's outcome." irked me, so I voted him.

Both PQRn and Paopan are now pushing me with very little ground to stand on.

I would like to vote any of the following:

Jmw
Auwt
NotPaopan
Luona
Frinckles
Oberon

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

I think out of sheer mechanical implications, I'd like to lynch MM. If me and Vigilante are town, a Mafia Doctor makes some sense. I guess a Mafia BG does too in a way, but if I were scum I'd be sacking myself for a teammate which would be dumb.

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yesnt. We need to remember that thrice random is irrational and not balanced sometimes