This URL doesn't work because ISO URLs don't work for some reason (I think someone had found how to fix that, but I forgot how). That being said, I assume it was linking Scum Town; if that is the case, I like it.
But then, 5 minutes later, something terrible happens. Efe gets a scumread because nobody should ever nullread Efe.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mag
And efe is scum because of gut
Efekannn is actually incredibly easy to read if you know him :weed:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mag
Just Dont Call Him A Nullread You Fools!
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM
I have the same feeling. No nullread for you this time @efe
Efe gets scumread just for being in the game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM
Well, I don't. I'm glad you're there lol.
If only that made me not gutread you as scum
After we've concluded that Efe should never get nullread'd and after it's made clear that Efe gets scumread just for being in the game.
What is the next logical step? If you said voting Efe for being Efe, then you're correct.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM
-vote WhoIsEfekann02AndOzyTeam
for containing efe who may be scum here.
(note that it's Efe who gets scumread, not the slot)
Now Efe starts to get upset, asking for not being scumread just for being Efe.
What response does it get?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM
:calix: DENIED. :calix:
While at it. Why not demonstratively showcase that nothing that the Efe slot will ever say will be taken seriously by a sarcastic comment?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM
On hate, tears and sorrow.
Up until then, there has been a problem you see, namely the fact that no reason to actually scumread Efe has been given.
But patience is a virtue. "Surely he didn't wait to have an excuse to scumread Efe?" - you might ask.
Sure, the progression so far has indicated that it might be the case, but surely nobody would actually do such a thing?
Well. Now we have a player who, after having only quick gut reads - out of all the content in the game that has happened until then, he decides that this is what constitutes his strongest read:
Quote:
Originally Posted by OzyEfe
Scum scummity scum scum scum if you don't explain now why you think -skip is a good idea!
Quote:
Originally Posted by MM
This really looks like shade-throwing, like you're not really interested in forming accurate reads, but rather in making Mag look scummy. Ozy goes down with his other head Efe into scum hell
Does anyone believe the sincerity in this given the context?
After all that implication before that he might be just waiting for an excuse to scumread Efe - this joke, out of all the things in the game, is what just so happened to catch his eye? I have doubt.
What makes the insincerity even more stand out in my eyes is him calling the player who has, up until that point, worked the most to progress the game - as "not interested in forming accurate reads". That may or may not be true, but saying that about the slot who has progressed the game the most and questioned plenty - it can only come straight out of ass.
TL;DR
Report MM for, as Efe has so precisely put it:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Efe
Your Guts Suck And You're Comhunting Me
Quote:
Originally Posted by Efe
This Sounds More Like A Comhunt Than Like A Meta/Gutread
February 21st, 2021, 02:44 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bakermir
i was gonna vote ozyefe actually but i just couldn't resist voting numbertwo ;p
gg mafia
Why though?
February 21st, 2021, 02:48 AM
Numbertwo
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bakermir
i was gonna vote ozyefe actually but i just couldn't resist voting numbertwo ;p
gg mafia
lol i voted ozyefe and then i passed out from overconsumption of alcohol, if you are wondering why i dissapeared :P
February 21st, 2021, 02:51 AM
bakermir
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Numbertwo
lol i voted ozyefe and then i passed out from overconsumption of alcohol, if you are wondering why i dissapeared :P
yeah I think everyone was low effort except mafia LOL
February 21st, 2021, 02:52 AM
bakermir
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
oh and SJ
February 21st, 2021, 03:06 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostByte
A scumreads B, then B scumreads A just for scumreading B. OMGUS is scummy with inexperienced players because it's opportunistic and reactionary, which is how everyone plays their first like 20 scum games
or A scumreads B, then B scumreads A with impossibly weak reasoning. The weak reasoning stems from the conscious decision to scumread before evidence is gathered. When you already reach the conclusion of scumreading and then proceed to work backward, the justification can often come off as weak. When you first gather evidence and THEN decide to scumread, the justification often seems stronger.
You're completely right in that I was scummy because of OMGUS. But not the OMGUS that you're describing.
What you described is closer to the Town OMGUS that Helz described.
That's just my opinion.
February 21st, 2021, 03:13 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
@Oberon
Good job on that D2 Gish Gallop. You kept them plenty busy and managed to make their D2 real unproductive.
Apparently, you're better at it than Distorted and Blink. :laugh:
February 21st, 2021, 03:15 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
so we are 8 people with 3 scums so lets go with the worst case scenarios shall we?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
Mafia just never do that.
2 slips. :D
February 21st, 2021, 03:22 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
@bakermir
You really believe that I was in the top2 scummy slots? Fwiw, I believe you to be the top2 towny slot. Can't best SJ though. :cheesy:
@Numbertwo
Thx for joining. At least we had game.
@Mike
Well baited.
February 21st, 2021, 03:52 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by OzyWho
2 slips. :D
Bruh I didn’t even notice that
February 21st, 2021, 05:19 AM
WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
I was super low effort and only minding my own matters
Rip Jack's Dating however I was planning so much more with it :(
February 21st, 2021, 06:32 AM
WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Everyone was low effort except Ozy and SuperduperJack
February 21st, 2021, 06:34 AM
bakermir
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by OzyWho
@bakermir
You really believe that I was in the top2 scummy slots? Fwiw, I believe you to be the top2 towny slot. Can't best SJ though. :cheesy:
@Numbertwo
Thx for joining. At least we had game.
@Mike
Well baited.
you guys played well
i am not bummed about the result I mean it was going to be this way as lnog as we didnt lynch someone in you me and numbertwo there. mafia played well and town played bad. i sucked hard too. SJ gettin voted out wasn't the right play imo we could have given tpr's 1 more night but oh well
February 21st, 2021, 06:35 AM
bakermir
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
Everyone was low effort except Ozy and SuperduperJack
i would add oberon. he was quite active along with you two
February 21st, 2021, 06:42 AM
bakermir
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
What if we played this game MAJ only? i think that would increase the activity in games under 9p just a random thought now
February 21st, 2021, 06:43 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Nah we all played bad. Nobody really deserved to win this game lol
February 21st, 2021, 07:00 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
I think the push to lynch outside of the PR pool was very bizarre and anti-town. There was slim chance of the PRs confirming anyone to anyone other than themselves which wasn’t very useful. For example it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that MM would heal FrostByte on d2.
February 21st, 2021, 07:00 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Which was funny because we really wanted to lynch one of the Citizens, but I couldn’t switch to a Citizen after having pushed for a PR lynch all game!
February 21st, 2021, 07:07 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
There’s really not many scenarios in which a PR could really confirm himself as town to another PR. Doctor can easily be faked, and it’s always easy to guess who the Doctor would heal - there was no Escort either, and the chances there could’ve been one were incredibly slim to begin with as it would imply they literally had to have visited Mile on d1. Which is very unlikely to begin with - what are the odds that the PR and the Mafia would literally view Mike as a threat for different reasons and decided to visit him?
February 21st, 2021, 07:20 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by bakermir
What if we played this game MAJ only? i think that would increase the activity in games under 9p just a random thought now
Recently there was a discussion about this. And the consensus was something like this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
No, go away with those heretical ideas! So many games were dull and boring because we could never reach an agreement. Having inactives, even if they aren't that many, completely kill games with majority only. Yes, in theory, it forces everyone to do something. In reality, it just results in some people actually trying to win and some others being potatoes and killing the fun.
DOWN WITH THE HERETICS, UP WITH THE PLURALITY
CHOO CHOO
February 21st, 2021, 07:31 AM
SuperJack
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
It was reaction testing. Was hoping others would get involved.
I hope you stick around and shake off your rust :p and talk to me on Discord!
February 21st, 2021, 07:53 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
It's difficult to evaluate a citizen lynch as if we didn't have the info of hindsight.
But with the info of hindsight, I think we can safely say that a citizen lynch would had been better if for no other reason than to not have NumberTwo in F3.
Treating D2 Lynch as a policy Lynch.
D2: Lynch NumberTwo.
N2: Let's assume baker or FB gets killed, no heal.
D:3 The citizen pool consists of 2 players and there's no chance EfOz wouldn't be the lynch there regardless of who was killed N2.
N3: No framer = MM confirmed = MM killed now.
D4: F3 = Oberon + SJ + confirmed citizen = guaranteed better F3 for town than what happened in the game.
Wouldn't happen
N2: Let's assume MM or SJ gets killed.
D3: LYLO, Oberon vs SJ/MM.
N3(if): Kill the last TPR.
D4: Final 3 = OzEf + Baker + fb
Better F3 than what happened in the game, except town has had 2 real LYLOs.
February 21st, 2021, 08:03 AM
SuperJack
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
I trusted the citizens to finished the game for town. Hence why I never voted for No#2. Thought it was give the better available reads.
February 21st, 2021, 08:18 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperJack
I can see Mag being scum with #2. The only thing that throws me off is their weird "remember me" interaction. But then Mag is happy to interact with #2 and yet have #2 lurk and not participate
@Oberon
is this alignment indicative for you?
I mean in general, this game you obv purposefully acted Tunneled.
February 21st, 2021, 08:49 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
I don't think I lurked on d2. I lurked on d1. The way I was trolling and didn't play the game was pretty scummy for me yeah. When I'm town and I lurk at least don't troll lol
February 21st, 2021, 09:11 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
I don't think I lurked on d2. I lurked on d1. The way I was trolling and didn't play the game was pretty scummy for me yeah. When I'm town and I lurk at least don't troll lol
I think you misunderstood the part where SJ said that you're happy and content with Numbertwo "lurking" and not participating.
February 21st, 2021, 09:15 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Oh. Well I wanted to protect Numbertwo because he was lurking, obviously.
February 21st, 2021, 10:02 AM
WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
-vote Auwt
You're Distorted's Alt
Give Me BBQ
February 21st, 2021, 11:48 AM
Auwt
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
-vote Auwt
You're Distorted's Alt
Give Me BBQ
Shhhh you weren't supposed to say that X_X
It was supposed to be a secret.........
February 21st, 2021, 12:19 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by OzyWho
Spoiler : Grievances :
I have grievances
Descent into Madness
It all starts well and good with townreading and questioning why others are scumreading Efe.
But then, 5 minutes later, something terrible happens. Efe gets a scumread because nobody should ever nullread Efe.
Efe gets scumread just for being in the game.
After we've concluded that Efe should never get nullread'd and after it's made clear that Efe gets scumread just for being in the game.
What is the next logical step? If you said voting Efe for being Efe, then you're correct.
(note that it's Efe who gets scumread, not the slot)
Now Efe starts to get upset, asking for not being scumread just for being Efe.
What response does it get?
While at it. Why not demonstratively showcase that nothing that the Efe slot will ever say will be taken seriously by a sarcastic comment?
Up until then, there has been a problem you see, namely the fact that no reason to actually scumread Efe has been given.
But patience is a virtue. "Surely he didn't wait to have an excuse to scumread Efe?" - you might ask.
Sure, the progression so far has indicated that it might be the case, but surely nobody would actually do such a thing?
Well. Now we have a player who, after having only quick gut reads - out of all the content in the game that has happened until then, he decides that this is what constitutes his strongest read:
Does anyone believe the sincerity in this given the context?
After all that implication before that he might be just waiting for an excuse to scumread Efe - this joke, out of all the things in the game, is what just so happened to catch his eye? I have doubt.
What makes the insincerity even more stand out in my eyes is him calling the player who has, up until that point, worked the most to progress the game - as "not interested in forming accurate reads". That may or may not be true, but saying that about the slot who has progressed the game the most and questioned plenty - it can only come straight out of ass.
TL;DR
Report MM for, as Efe has so precisely put it:
Stop painting me red with the blood of the innocents
For the record, I had a rather strong feeling Efe was scum but didn't want to 1: annoy him and 2: make him change his behavior (for analysis' sake). But then, Mag came in and said it, so I thought I might as well voice it lol.
Stop painting me red with the blood of the innocents
For the record, I had a rather strong feeling Efe was scum but didn't want to 1: annoy him and 2: make him change his behavior (for analysis' sake). But then, Mag came in and said it, so I thought I might as well voice it lol.
Stop painting me red with the blood of the innocents
For the record, I had a rather strong feeling Efe was scum but didn't want to 1: annoy him and 2: make him change his behavior (for analysis' sake). But then, Mag came in and said it, so I thought I might as well voice it lol.
Well, lucky me on being right about 156. I just wish you didn't, when questioned about it, attempt to make it look *sincere* during the game. I'm saying *sincere* because I know of no better word for it.
Well, lucky me on being right about 156. I just wish you didn't, when questioned about it, attempt to make it look *sincere* during the game. I'm saying *sincere* because I know of no better word for it.
Stop painting me red with the blood of the innocents
For the record, I had a rather strong feeling Efe was scum but didn't want to 1: annoy him and 2: make him change his behavior (for analysis' sake). But then, Mag came in and said it, so I thought I might as well voice it lol.
Sounds like excuses but ok I believe you
February 22nd, 2021, 05:02 AM
Zedus
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Well, nothing new, scum team wins as always.
February 22nd, 2021, 08:42 AM
FrostByte
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedus
Well, nothing new, scum team wins as always.
My scum reads were accurate. Not my fault town turbolynched before we could get some good discussion in. Also not my fault the guy responsible for the turbolynch didn't get scumread the next day because I was dead due to accurate scum reads.
Town lost but I played well and that's all I care about tbh.
February 22nd, 2021, 09:16 AM
OzyWho
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedus
Well, nothing new, scum team wins as always.
In the S-FM archives, I checked the last 10 games and team uninformed majority has won 6 of them.
Is that not enough for your taste?
February 22nd, 2021, 10:00 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by FrostByte
My scum reads were accurate. Not my fault town turbolynched before we could get some good discussion in. Also not my fault the guy responsible for the turbolynch didn't get scumread the next day because I was dead due to accurate scum reads.
Town lost but I played well and that's all I care about tbh.
You weren't dead due to accurate scum reads, you were dead because you were mechanically confirmed town LOL
February 22nd, 2021, 10:01 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
You were so obviously tunneled on Ozy that nothing could've distracted you from lynching him. I actually suggested that he let Efe do the talking instead to make you less willing to lynch him :)
February 22nd, 2021, 10:36 AM
SuperJack
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedus
Well, nothing new, scum team wins as always.
Hey! Not my fault!
February 22nd, 2021, 10:46 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
The best town player was MM and after that Mike for baiting the Mafia kill.
Ozy was the only player who actually played well to any degree this game (and, like I said, debatably MM).
February 22nd, 2021, 10:46 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Bakermir called out the entire mafia team on d1, but idk what happened to him on d2
February 22nd, 2021, 10:47 AM
SuperJack
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
The best town player was MM and after that Mike for baiting the Mafia kill.
Ozy was the only player who actually played well to any degree this game (and, like I said, debatably MM).
You just embarrassed that you hooked onto my Bait :p
February 22nd, 2021, 11:01 AM
Oberon
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperJack
You just embarrassed that you hooked onto my Bait :p
Haha, that bait was pretty good I admit. But I think MM played better :P
February 22nd, 2021, 12:36 PM
SuperJack
Re: S-FM 324: Stay Classy (8P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
Haha, that bait was pretty good I admit. But I think MM played better :P