That would make to unknowns be with a known, that's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
Although I'm sure MM could handle it, I'd rather have two townier people rather than 1
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That would make to unknowns be with a known, that's the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
Although I'm sure MM could handle it, I'd rather have two townier people rather than 1
idk what you mean by thisQuote:
Originally Posted by Varcron
is this some ancient mech knowledge from a lost culture of long-gone FM players
I want to resolve in Jelly/Clowns/Frinckles/Bakura.
I think this pool usually contains most, if not all of the scum.
Personally, I think the way Jelly's acted around Clowns has been kinda weird and I don't buy the claim, so that's my first vote choice, but I can be convinced if someone thinks there's a better immediate target.
The difference may not be all that meaningful though (switching Bakura for Jelly) given that any scum in there will have access to scum chat at the same time
but ideally any changes in interaction due to being in scum chat as well (ex: asking other scums on what to say/do) would be noticable
Who did you check last night again?Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
The two unknowns are Jelly and SnomQuote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
I don't have a solid opinion on them
Snom, or rather myself because of Snom's apparent passive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
And his passive is to.. redirect actions to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
any non-lethal gets returned to senderQuote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
they didn't specify if it was night-only or whatever
Honestly... pitiful. I activate Golden Wind Requiem and replay my argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheClowns
https://hypixel.net/attachments/1662...651f8eeb029c3a
As for your first point
As for your second pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
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Originally Posted by Bakura1
No, Janitor is very plausible to find. Clowns is one of the few people whose roles is in heavy suspicion. And if Clowns flips scum, then Jelly does too, which means we have a lead on two candidates for the Janitor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
As for the second question, that's my personal business. I don't discuss family matters with strangers.
Yes, I would very much like to hear your thoughts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
Idk what AA is but thank you JiménezQuote:
Originally Posted by jmw
Quite a banger. Thank you, brotherQuote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
Quite anxious, are we?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
I don't know who the janitor is yet. However, I will find them no matter the cost.
Put a little trust into your dear townie, Stealth-san.
Do you think Ewian's last will gives us any insight into how these interactions may have come about?Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
Anyone can answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
yknow you could be more straight to the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
but anyways hider claims are not unfathomable to scum
it could have been discussed as a course of action for any scum if they were seen doing anything bad
Especially amongst players familiar with the mod
Do I get extra credit for doing so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Also are we graded individually or as a class?
@Varcron you probably need the context for the above posts
but basically this dude nick-named Ewian died as a neutral on D2, and he flipped a role that we're quite sure got occasional messages from any chat in the game --- including dead chat
[spoiler = ewian lw]
In the case I ever get lynched I must say that if I do die by a lynch I should know about it. Anyways I was not lying when I said I am Technoblade. That is literally my role. Or by the official name: The Pig King. At the time of writing this d1, I will have no idea what I have revealed of my role. I also have no clue how I’m going to win. I just want to make it however I play to be worthy of carrying the title. After all, I deeply respect Techno, so having a role based on him feels like I should live up to it. I also have no clue if I’m supposed to be an evil or good neutral. XDDDDDDDDDDD. Anyways this will be my last will if I die day 1 though I suppose you will see what happens / what I typed if I die.
Day 2- the main reason I will be withholding information is due to me not knowing my true neutrality.
Ok I finally figured out smth, how the voices work
Basically I’m some sort of shy child? I think it’s called? I can see bits of scum chat and ghost chat or any other night chat. I also think I have two ways to win, one of which is to satisfy myself(?) or the other way being to follow bloodlust and listen to the voices(basically a executioner)
In the case I do not have time to expose anything I learn, I’m trying to side with town here even tho I’m not even sure of my true alignment.
I am 90% on n2, either jmw targeted mm with an action, mm targeted jmw with an action, or scum targeted scum with an action
I don’t know if this is allowed but if it isn’t ignore it: one of the msgs I received was hola, I would look into people who use that phrase .
Someone said I won’t let it get smth far once more so dunno what it means
Seems like there was an explaination because someone said smth made sense
I’m assuming this msg is a ghost because they were like: I HaVE BECOME FREe of EARTH or smth
Scum chat: what’s up my scum mates in arms as in more than one so there is 3 or more
Want to have my fruit, is a phrase only from a fruit vendor .this Could come from the jmw mm or scum chat
Someone said they got Todd howarded?someone said they would blend their shoe and consume it (I don’t know who tf posted this but it is funny)
I am 99% sure this comes from the jmw mm chat
Deathproof suicidal town alt
Sure they will mention smth by eod3
Paraphrasing , let’s create an alliance I will coach and protect you, we vote together, join me and town will be shaken and destroyed
Someone will claim hider
A scum did not show up for day start
This elims
Martin
Eevee
Drizzt
Me
And clowns from being mafia A.
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frick
nice fucking spoiler nerd
https://hypixel.net/attachments/1662...651f8eeb029c3aQuote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
I'm the nerd hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
wait what happened to my image
it was there a second ago
wait my Golden Wind Requiem is gone too
oh my word I hate this site's formatting
@Frinckles
What did you need to "make sure" of when you voted jelly earlier
your site del-yeeted it in a matter of minutes for some reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
the images are there in the post --- they just no longer exist at the link you gave it
Errrrr, I saw it as well... what the heck? I've never seen that in years of playing here XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
And yea, I really, really, really, REALLY don't think Clowns has any reasons to exist by now, much like Jelly.
He's taking up spaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
like those really big elephants
If I'm straight to the point, people don't pay attention so I thought I'd go through the thought process.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
One scum wanted to claim hider.
One scum said something about being deathproof.
You survived and arguably have a role claim that sucks in this setup unless used consecutively. MM claims a heal as a fruit vending JOAT out of the blue, to say nothing of the fact that I still think he could have written "shaken and destroyed."
Snom claims some weird Reflector, Jelly claims Victim -- both of which are redirection roles similar to hider.
Scum could have pushed me on my own fucking points this entire game but they chose not to or got lazy. Probably because I'm being ignored a bit. But the bottom line is I've been trying to subtly get across some important things this game that are only now being acknowledged. If you are paying attention, the pool for today is Jelly/Snom/MM and even you Martin for the above given reasons.
Or just, do the correct thing and lynch Jelly here.
Wait wait wait so you're saying Martin and I are in fact a scum team and that I pretended to have healed my teammate, and that we in fact have intentionally no-killed last night instead of just, you know, killing towny people or something? ah yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
https://media.kasperskydaily.com/wp-...ilhatday-3.jpg
Plus, why is Clowns out of your PoE? W h a t a r e y o u d o i n g ?
Clowns is the lynch todayQuote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
There is zero reason for you both not to be considered an explanation for the no-death when scum was seen talking about being deathproof. You could be joat doc and he could just be a shitty invest role, sure. We should be getting Jelly/Snom anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Clowns is out of my pool because Jelly/Snom are likely evil and I don't see the scum play for s!Clowns + s!Jelly and whatever bullshitty that mason claim is. One is lying and Jelly is more likely the liar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
See above. Also you didn't answer so no extra credit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
Also, unless Martin explicitly got feedback about being healed you could be taking him for a ride which would be hilarious. That's just one of a few things that could have happened last night. I'm not claiming to know 100% but this isn't a difficult choice imo.
Also if we're going back to that old shaken and destroyed:
(Henceforth referred to as "The Shaker".)
Drizzt is a newbie at FM. His slot (Snom) makes sense to be coached.
2/3* Jelly+Snom+?
No, Clowns and Jelly have to be the same alignmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
and Clowns is a good lynch for reasons I already explained
As for the person being coached, it could be a multitude of people, so I gave up on itQuote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
there's not enough evidence to point to a specific person
I do not understand the association and non-associations you both state about Jelly and Clowns. Can you both clarify, please?
It's all in my postQuote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
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Originally Posted by Bakura1
If Jelly is lying, that means Clowns is lying too. If their claim is legitimate, Jelly has to be town, ergo S!Jelly -> S!Clowns. I don't understand how you can have S!Jelly in your worldview without S!Clowns, unless you have a good reason to believe a T!Clowns lies about their role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Clowns and Jelly do not have to be the same alignment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
If Clowns is scum, Jelly could be town (though I don't think this is very likely given how Jelly has reacted to Clowns' claim and how they've responded to pressure on various occasions). It's always possible that Clowns is fakeclaiming something and just bringing Jelly along for the ride.
Right. In this case, though, aren't we better off lynching Jelly first, which then confirms Clowns as scum, and not the other way around (since it gives us more guarantees depending on flips)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
^ what jmw said basically leads to my above post
I guessQuote:
Originally Posted by jmw
But I'm pretty sure Clowns isn't going to flip a communicative role, which means Jelly would be lying about the chat
see belowQuote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
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Originally Posted by Bakura1
I am not as certain as you; besides, there is basically no reason for you to oppose lynching Jelly first, since it should lead to Clowns also being scum, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
Imo Clowns is more likely to flip Janitor than JellyQuote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Also I'm pretty sure Clowns isn't even sure what he's roleclaimed at this point
He literally tried to lynch someone that he supposedly masonized halfway into D2
I don't think this logic is really that sound, considering we know 3 chats happened on N1. AT's actions alone don't disprove anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
There are valid reasons to tie Jelly to Clowns, but that's not one of them. (This isn't really relevant since I think you're right on S!Jelly + S!Clowns, but I wanted a way to segue into something I found when looking at Jelly's ISO):
For example, the fact that a T!Jelly would be hard pushing a S!Clowns for a claim they know to be fake ever since Clowns voted Jelly on D2 (as you mentioned in your large post and I mentioned to SB/Martin last night in our chat).
And aside from that, Jelly's danced around Clowns' slot in a way that looks really suspicious. Seriously, look at her ISO, she barely mentions Clowns and aside from question marking their claim, hasn't really interacted with or expressed a read on that slot at all since D2 where Clowns was one of her top towns:
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Originally Posted by jmw
but I'd be willing to vote Jelly if nobody's up for Clowns
paying attention =/= agreeingQuote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
and I'm p sure I've responded to you whenever I saw reason to, though as for other people I guess I kinda see your point about that
Regarding the teal, I believe you're implying our claims to be untrustworthy:
MM has zero circumstantial reason to fake-claim the heal on me unless we're both mafia and for some reason we decided to kill someone who has not yet claimed their immunity as a possible reason for the lack of a night attack OR we decided to not night-kill anyone
In the first case, that may be explained by a night-immune neutral. Considering the other evidence in the game, especially the alliance message, that would probably have to be JMW. Why hasn't JMW turned on us? He would HAVE to know that MM is the mafia, and so him claiming the heal is an obvious lie. Therefore, in this case, it is not possible for MM and I to be mafia.
In the second case, we sure as hell put ourselves into an awkward spot as being high-priority targets (if town). it doesn't quite make any sense to no-kill as we could've just gone for the KO on like stealthbomber16 or Ashoka for last night and likely survive MYLO/LYLO into an instant win. This is sorta subjective, but its my belief that this is almost certainly feasible. Therefore, since much better options existed than a no-kill and the previous possible explanation for the lack of a kill, MM & I cannot be mafia.
At minimum, MM and I must be either both town or town and scum. However, as MM indicated he was told he healed me, then its only possible that MM is mafia or town while I am always town.
At this point of reasoning, there is no concrete evidence that strongly suggests MM is town. However, using my own skills and beliefs, I believe MM is town -- I can dive further into this read if need be but I felt best leaving it at just that.
has to beQuote:
Originally Posted by jmw
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The space after the = is the title, if any. I screwed up earlier by adding a space before it.
In a S!Clowns/S!Jelly world, Jelly reads more like the Janitor to me. I think this is the case because Jelly unnecessarily made Clowns' claim more suspicious than it needed to be (saying Clowns didn't claim to them in their chat, being suspicious of it), while simultaneously not pushing there. If Clowns is truly the Janitor and Jelly is trying to back them up, this is a horrible way to do it. It feels like Jelly's trying to pass Clowns a life preserver but pulling it away whenever someone glances over. In my eyes, the scum play when your Janitor is heavily suspected and was saved D1 by RNG is to either hard bus them or fully commit to the "confirmed town" mason claim. Jelly not doing either only puts Janitor!Clowns in a bad spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakura1
On the flip side, Clowns voting Jelly D2 makes zero sense regardless of Jelly or Clowns' alignment, so I'm inclined to call it an accidental (scum) slip. The other possibility is that S!Clowns intentionally misspelled their vote to make Jelly look better (since Jelly would be "almost a wagon"), but that seems unlikely to me.
If I assume S!Clowns is the Janitor I just don't see a reason for S!Jelly to deny Clowns' claim to them and make them look worse? Whereas if you swap the roles I can see Janitor!Jelly trying to distance from Clowns.