S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

S-FM Magellan (15p)

Player	Faction	Status
S-FM Rotholfo Goncales	?	Alive
S-FM Vlädislow Kennt	?	Alive
S-FM Lois Francklyn	?	Alive
S-FM Gollert Twissell	?	Alive
S-FM Billigan Holbird	?	Alive
S-FM Jiles Carballo	?	Alive
S-FM Joha Schtilzt	?	Alive
S-FM Lembird Oshay	?	Alive
S-FM Fred Attlebish	?	Alive
S-FM Arnarld Quinne	?	Alive
S-FM Marlwyn Janson	?	Alive
S-FM Jan Korvin	?	Alive
S-FM Marck Wilbird	?	Alive
S-FM Bart Pilfter	?	Alive
S-FM Edoua Maije	?	Alive

Geneticist
Hidden Officer (Killing)
Hidden Officer (Support)
Hidden Officer (Support)
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Strike Team Leader (Support Agent)
Hidden Support Agent
Hidden Killing Agent
Hidden Neutral Benign
Hidden Neutral Evil


Link to setup: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/45796-S-FM-Magellan-(15P)
Game Start:
[COUNTDOWN] 00:01:22:59[/COUNTDOWN]

Links:
Night 1
Day 2
Night 2
Day 3

Day 1
[COUNTDOWN]03:11:57:59[/COUNTDOWN]

First for accidentally posting on your main account.

Reporting for duty o7

Duty for reporting 7o

o7

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Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

o7

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Good to see wilibird fixed his eyes

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Originally Posted by S-FM Jiles Carballo

Good to see wilibird fixed his eyes

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I don't get it.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

I don't get it.

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Look at his avatar

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Originally Posted by S-FM Jiles Carballo

Look at his avatar

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I hope Holdbird's avatar will be similar.

-vote S-FM Arnarld Quinne

We got 'em

Remember that the first 24h are reserved for picking the lynch type. Send your vote to me via PM.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Lois Francklyn

-vote S-FM Arnarld Quinne

We got 'em

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-vote S-FM Arnarld Quinne

Easy game.

Also I'm voting for this:
Plurality w/ Majority: Same as plurality, but with an extra majority rule: if a player attains >50% of the votes, they are lynched.

Oh we don't even lynch today? ResidentSleeperResidentSleeperResidentSleeper

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Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

Oh we don't even lynch today? ResidentSleeperResidentSleeperResidentSleeper

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Imagine not reading before hand

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Originally Posted by S-FM Jiles Carballo

Imagine not reading before hand

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Jokes on you, I don't even know what alignment I am. Reading is for suckers.

Anyway, I'm going with Plurality w/ Majority. See you guys tomorrow.

Also, I hope you guys don’t mind but I set your accounts to my timezone so that you don’t need to convert time zones to understand game timers and such.

Allo fellow cosmonaut. For the republic!

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Originally Posted by S-FM Lois Francklyn

Also I'm voting for this:
Plurality w/ Majority: Same as plurality, but with an extra majority rule: if a player attains >50% of the votes, they are lynched.

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Same. Bird voting is tempting too tho

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Originally Posted by S-FM Vlädislow Kennt

Allo fellow cosmonaut. For the republic!

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*salutes*

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Originally Posted by S-FM Magellan Core

Also, I hope you guys don’t mind but I set your accounts to my timezone so that you don’t need to convert time zones to understand game timers and such.

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Oh god

Time to revert it back, I can do the math myself

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Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

I hope Holdbird's avatar will be similar.

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Actually, I will hold bird. BIRD VOTING FOR PRES 3020! LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!

I'm voting for simple majority + plurality

I'm voting for Anonymous Ballots.

Cordocet sounds fun in concept but a pain in actuality. I'll probably go with simple maj + plurality.

Here is the exact text for the mechanics we vote for, for those that can't be bothered to read the setup

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Majority: Lynch requires >50% of total votes. Ties resolved by RNG.

Plurality: The player with the most votes is lynched at EoD.
Hammering is disabled.

Plurality w/ Majority: Same as plurality, but with an extra majority rule: if a player attains >50% of the votes, they are lynched.

Condorcet: Instead of voting for one player, you rank players in order of who you want lynched. The candidates are then compared to each other on a pair-by-pair basis; the candidate that wins the most 1v1 pair duels is lynched. Hammering is disabled.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Vlädislow Kennt

Allo fellow cosmonaut. For the republic!

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-vote S-FM Vladislow Kennt

If this doesn't work I'm sending a report.

@S-FM Magellan Core will we need to type this a dot dot to vote this person?

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Originally Posted by S-FM Gollert Twissell

-vote S-FM Vladislow Kennt

If this doesn't work I'm sending a report.

@S-FM Magellan Core will we need to type this a dot dot to vote this person?

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Copy and paste my dude. Copy and paste.

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Lembird
Wilibird
Holbird

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What the hell.

Hey Mayor can technically reveal D1 without worrying about dying

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Originally Posted by S-FM Gollert Twissell

-vote S-FM Vladislow Kennt

If this doesn't work I'm sending a report.

@S-FM Magellan Core will we need to type this a dot dot to vote this person?

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lol
Sorry I didn’t think of that. I’ll ve changing the name

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Originally Posted by S-FM Magellan Core

lol
Sorry I didn’t think of that. I’ll ve changing the name

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kissy kissy

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Originally Posted by S-FM Lembird Oshay

I'm voting for simple majority + plurality

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Originally Posted by S-FM Vladislow Kennt

Cordocet sounds fun in concept but a pain in actuality. I'll probably go with simple maj + plurality.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Lois Francklyn

Also I'm voting for this:
Plurality w/ Majority: Same as plurality, but with an extra majority rule: if a player attains >50% of the votes, they are lynched.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Marlwyn Janson

Anyway, I'm going with Plurality w/ Majority. See you guys tomorrow.

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Why are you voting for plurality w/ majority?
Simple plurality prevents hammering, and requires less coordination of all of town votes. (we only need half of town to be awake)
Hammering generally hurts town I think.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Gollert Twissell

Why are you voting for plurality w/ majority?
Simple plurality prevents hammering, and requires less coordination of all of town votes. (we only need half of town to be awake)
Hammering generally hurts town I think.

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I think you believe what you're saying, but I think you beleive it will somehow grant you credit.

NARRATOR: IT DIDN'T.

Hammer creates a state of play whereby information is more meaningful, especially in end game where voting can literally imply one mafia exists between crossvotes.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Gollert Twissell

Why are you voting for plurality w/ majority?
Simple plurality prevents hammering, and requires less coordination of all of town votes. (we only need half of town to be awake)
Hammering generally hurts town I think.

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It also prevents strong pressure from being put, or at least impairs the ability to put strong pressure on players. Also, hammers are bad when they are too early, but they often give info, since their possiblity makes EoDs more lively.

BUT BIRD VOTES ARE SUPERIOR
- less gameable
- birds
- it's like plurality + majority but with an integrated list of reads that is easy to see for everyone
- BIRDS

Allo cosmonaut. I am now Vladislow. Allo! For the Republic!

JOIN ME IN LYNCHING THOSE WHOM CHOOSE NO AVATAR

-vote S-FM Billigan Holbird

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Originally Posted by S-FM Lois Francklyn

I think you believe what you're saying, but I think you beleive it will somehow grant you credit.

NARRATOR: IT DIDN'T.

Hammer creates a state of play whereby information is more meaningful, especially in end game where voting can literally imply one mafia exists between crossvotes.

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Well of course I believe what I am saying, but in end-endgame people shouldn't be voting each other than to hammer yeah? Like in a 2v1 nobody votes until someone is sure. In plurality, you allow people to express their votes.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Billigan Holbird

It also prevents strong pressure from being put, or at least impairs the ability to put strong pressure on players. Also, hammers are bad when they are too early, but they often give info, since their possiblity makes EoDs more lively.

BUT BIRD VOTES ARE SUPERIOR
- less gameable
- birds
- it's like plurality + majority but with an integrated list of reads that is easy to see for everyone
- BIRDS

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What really is the purpose of pressure? I've been thinking about it. Sure, without vote pressure it's much harder to get different responses from some of the more inactive people, but really we should all be contributing.. without the need of players others prodding us. We all need to be discussing who is town and who isn't.

And I would also argue that pressure is still applied. Players who aren't town enough will get lynched by the end of the day, and knowing how hard it is usually to change people's minds, it's a good idea for everyone to be as town as they can from the get-go. Those that fail to keep that up will get weeded out.

I'm thinking about doing the bird vote if not the plurality vote.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Arnarld Quinne

-vote S-FM Billigan Holbird

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But that person's response to me not only identified the problem, but also offered a solution, which means they will be easily to communicate with in the coming days. I'd rather he'd stay around, at least for now. Switching my vote to this current afk.

-vote S-FM Arnarld Quinne

I may of discovered THE BADDIES

S-FM Gollert Twissell, S-FM Marlwyn Janson, S-FM Lois Francklyn.

They are THE BADDIES.

MARSHALLS

Reveal.

We win.

ACHIEVEMENT: Happily Ever After

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Originally Posted by S-FM Arnarld Quinne

I may of discovered THE BADDIES

S-FM Gollert Twissell, S-FM Marlwyn Janson, S-FM Lois Francklyn.

They are THE BADDIES.

MARSHALLS

Reveal.

We win.

ACHIEVEMENT: Happily Ever After

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No, I'm town. Speaking of reveals though, my questioning about the vote system basically is a claim that I'm not the Android, of which I am very sad I did not roll that role.

Anyway, just cause we don't have a lynch in this real 24hr day, doesn't mean we shouldn't be discussing and stuff, if it seems like people are going to peace out because there is no hammer then I will vote for majority so that turbo lynches are a real thing.

I'd really like a universal town read, would be very helpful thanks. Let me know what I can do to attain that if somehow you don't trust me.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Gollert Twissell

But that person's response to me not only identified the problem, but also offered a solution, which means they will be easily to communicate with in the coming days. I'd rather he'd stay around, at least for now. Switching my vote to this current afk.

-vote S-FM Arnarld Quinne

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Wait a minute I'm blind, that's you! (the person above this one). So you're a player that scumreads those that vote you? Sad, but good to know.

In a 15 player game theres bound to be people who don't keep up with the game. What does everyone think about policy lynching day 1? Jailor chance is only ~50%

-vote S-FM Jiles Carballo

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Originally Posted by S-FM Gollert Twissell

No, I'm town. Speaking of reveals though, my questioning about the vote system basically is a claim that I'm not the Android, of which I am very sad I did not roll that role.

Anyway, just cause we don't have a lynch in this real 24hr day, doesn't mean we shouldn't be discussing and stuff, if it seems like people are going to peace out because there is no hammer then I will vote for majority so that turbo lynches are a real thing.

I'd really like a universal town read, would be very helpful thanks. Let me know what I can do to attain that if somehow you don't trust me.

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BRIBES. I TAKE

Also.

Intestine.

Read.

I treat today as everyday. I will vote you for not being town. I WILL VOTE YOU AND YOU ARE SCUM YES.

TODAY we must. Vote to vote.

To vote?

WE MUST.

VOTE.

WE MUST DECIDED.

what vote is the scum to like. WHAT DO THEY WANT?

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Originally Posted by S-FM Gollert Twissell

Wait a minute I'm blind, that's you! (the person above this one). So you're a player that scumreads those that vote you? Sad, but good to know.

In a 15 player game theres bound to be people who don't keep up with the game. What does everyone think about policy lynching day 1? Jailor chance is only ~50%

-vote S-FM Jiles Carballo

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Switchy Bitchy. Come back and play

Always lynch. POWER is in DAY. NoT ROLES.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Arnarld Quinne

Switchy Bitchy. Come back and play

Always lynch. POWER is in DAY. NoT ROLES.

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Okayquestion mark
You read the setup yet? May as well do some setup spec whilst people trickle in.
Ganelon says game ends in 4 days-ish which to me is plenty of time to find all the scum, neutrals are mostly actually benign, and I feel lean toward being town-sided, and turncoat only has one shot available to them. Picking to win by themselves is a dumb decision. Scum has a lot of actions during the night, but are limited on kills. Call it hubris or whatever, but I think we have a good chance of winning just with the amount of time we have been given.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Gollert Twissell

Wait a minute I'm blind, that's you! (the person above this one). So you're a player that scumreads those that vote you? Sad, but good to know.

In a 15 player game theres bound to be people who don't keep up with the game. What does everyone think about policy lynching day 1? Jailor chance is only ~50%

-vote S-FM Jiles Carballo

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Wow, I really am blind, I guess it just goes to say that I haven't associated people with their account names yet. Just count my vote as a non-vote bleh.

So it appears that there is no voting in the first 24 hours?

What is the best voting type? One could make a case that condorcet is best for our republic members.