Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690
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ZZorange 1-S2-1-2701690 Correct
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Summary
1 -Mafia 2.0 Beta- Lookout
2 Hi - Sheriff
3 Honest Man Ace Attorney - Marshall
4 Guldo - Deceiver
5 Giuseppe Cage - Doctor
6 Taddeo Bruno - Dragon Head
7 The Town Sheriff - Amnesiac
8 Piero - Incense Master
9 Uncle Biter - Jailor
10 Martin Luther King Jr. - Bus Driver
11 S t o v e - Escort
12 Orlando Gallo - Sheriff
13 -Mafia 3.0 Alpha- Serial Killer
14 Nuncio Costello - Witch
Night 1
9 - Jailor is killed be SK - last will mentions that they jailed 13 and 13 claimed Bus Driver
12 - Sheriff is killed and sanitized by DH + Incense Master
Day 2
ZZorange reveals as Marshall and receives PMs:
14 Nuncio Costello - Witch claims: sheriff n1 - 5
11 S t o v e - Escort claims: escort n1 - 10
1 -Mafia 2.0 Beta- Lookout claims: lookout n1 - 11vb5
8 Piero - Incense Master claims: coroner
7 The Town Sheriff - Amnesiac claims: amnesiac planning to become jailor
13 -Mafia 3.0 Alpha- Serial Killer claims: bus driver, no lw but says they will swap marshall tonight
5 Giuseppe Cage - Doctor claims: doc n1 - 11
6 Taddeo Bruno - Dragon Head claims: doc n1 - 5
2 Hi - Sheriff claims: sheriff n1 - bussed and rb
5 is meanwhile messaging several times in chat and PM for ZZorange to not lynch him for being default
10 Martin Luther King Jr. - Bus Driver claims: bus driver n1 10-2
ZZorange sets his lw to "Confirmed Town: 10" and starts a train on 5 Giuseppe Cage - Doctor
5 stands by his doc claim and pleads for town to get 13
ZZorange starts a train on 4 Guldo - Deceiver
10 says "this retard is doing default lynch again."
ZZorange starts a train on 10 Martin Luther King Jr. - Bus Driver
ZZorange says "You were complaining that I was lynching defaults. Are you not satisfied?"
Full day 2 interaction between ZZorange and 10 (Invictus):
3:11 Invictus yep
3:13 Invictus seems like 13 is sk
3:19 ZZorange TOWN
3:21 ZZorange WE HAVE A 33% CHANCE TO LOSE
3:23 ZZorange ARE YOU FEELING LUCKY?
3:30 ZZorange ROGER THAT
3:31 ZZorange -lynch
3:31 Invictus No dont do it
3:35 ZZorange dududududududud
3:37 ZZorange dududududududududu
3:39 ZZorange dudududududududu
3:40 Invictus -pm 2 BD N2: 10-2
3:42 ZZorange doooooooooooooo
3:43 ZZorange dududuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
3:48 ZZorange doo doo doo dooo doo doo doo doo doo dooo
3:49 Invictus -pm 3 BD N1: 10- 2
3:50 ZZorange -lw
4:08 ZZorange -lw
4:24 ZZorange I'll think about it
4:45 Invictus this retard is doing default lynch again.
Lynch Train began by ZZorange
5:05 Invictus no
5:06 Invictus ur throwing
5:07 Invictus bitch
5:18 ZZorange You were complaining that I was lynching defaults. Are you not satisfied?
5:19 Invictus Retard monkey marshall. No more protection for u bitch
5:22 Invictus i am confirmed
5:23 Invictus by 2
5:25 Invictus and still lynching me
5:27 Invictus yeah
5:28 ZZorange Well you shouldn't have complained.
Night 2
ZZorange changes his last will to:
Confirmed town: 13,Stove Probably Town: 8, 1
7 The Town Sheriff - Amnesiac is killed and sanitized by DH + Incense Master
3 Honest Man Ace Attorney - Marshall is killed by SK
Remainder of the Game
Town goes on to lose to the Serial Killer + the Witch.
The outcome of the game was certainly altered by the mislynch on 10.
A detailed report of the remainder of the game is out of scope for this report.
Graveyard Chat
Appeal Violations
As ZZorange is currently on appeal from a permaban - I am including the conditions of that appeal here:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Auwt
So as much as I indeed believe conditional appeal could work in a better way than just bashing staff/using smurf account/denying every charges, I must admit the writing style is confusing whether it's sarcasm or sincere to some extent.
Just for the record, the initial conditions/ideas I suggested were :
1 : Stop your default hate, including but not only : Marshall rampage (ignoring everything, and straight up going for the defaults), Jailor or Vigi hyper-focusing, LW forging only to get a default down. There will be no award at the end of the year delivered for the one who killed the most defaults.
2 : While not considered as an offense, but as an unsportsmanlike way of playing, avoid witch-hunting as much as possible. In the same way keeping grudges over and over make the game less enjoyable for everyone.
3 : Claim your role (and lw if possible) on the stand. Obviously when evil, play smart and don't open claim evil on the stand.
4 : Play in a "normal" way. Before doing anything, think of it. If it reduces the quality of the game, better not to do it.
5 : Pushing whoever you want (including defaults) is still possible but make it in a way the whole game does not become a ZZ vs Default brawl.
1 - Default Hate
The mislynch on a default came from a spammy doc claim when there were 2 doc claims and 2 bus driver claims. This lynch did not feel motivated by default hunting - especially since the other doc claim was also a default name.
The second default lynched was scum.
In his lw he labeled a default name as "Probably Town"
Overall I do not believe there was a violation of this condition.
2 - Witch Hunting
The mislynch on 10 (Invictus) did not seem motivated by ZZorange thinking that 10 was Invictus - instead it seemed motivation out of spite or annoyance at 10's criticism.
No appeal violations
Player Offenses
Looking at the information given to the Marshall, 10 was an objectively incorrect lynch.
2 Claimed they were bussed and roleblocked
10 Claimed they swapped themselves with 2
11 Claims they blocked 10
9 States in LW that they Jailed 13
13 Claims they were Jailed Bus Driver
There are no other Bus Driver claims. There are very, very few scenarios where given this information 10 is anything but bus driver.
This fact combined with the fact that ZZorange puts in his last will that 10 is confirmed town indicates that he thought 10 was town.
ZZorange had no intention of lynching 10 until this line:
"4:45 Invictus this retard is doing default lynch again."
After which ZZorange gets 10 lynched despite his thinking that 10 is confirmed town.
Reactionary Game Throwing
Previous Offenses
Griefing (May 2021, Permaban - Appealed)
BLx2 appealed to a WLx3 (late January 2020)
Intentional Gamethrowing
Griefing?
Gamethrowing (2011, KickVote),
Skyping (2013, 2xKickVote),
Skyping/Cheating (2013, 4xKickVote),
Cheating/Skyping/Gamethrow/Griefing (2013, BLx2),
Skyping (2013, Permabanned),
Cheating/Skyping(2013, Already Permabanned)
Recommended Action
Recommended action deferred to Warden
Additional Notes
Thank you for taking the time to submit this report in your effort to make the community a better place :)
Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690
Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690
DISCLAIMER : This is not an appeal.
Sheriff actually provides a lot of context here and honestly the higher level of competency over the average mod here is appreciated.
Sheriff also makes fairly accurate Judgement of this case so probs to him for actually watching the entire replay. Which well Sheriff isn't as common as you would think.
So essentially my involvement in this game was a single Marshall lynch so let's break that down.
First Lynch : 5 was a default who falsely loudly claimed someone else was Serial killer when he pm'd me that he was Doctor, he was lynched for that reason, not because he was default.
Second Lynch : 4 was a default named Guido who pm'd simply "I am guido" IE a non claimer, as Marshall many people lynch non claims, so this isn't very unusual.
Third Lynch : Originally my third choice was going to be 8 because he claimed Coroner in a very low% coroner game, with a confirmed Incense Master, which he was. However Invictus one of the known people who has a hate boner complained that I was back to my old default lynching ways and that he was going to get me banned, this is kinda just what he does. Made worse by the fact that Invictus himself is a very mediocre Mafia player and I have numerous times seem him make very egregious errors. Anyway due to the fact that he was annoying the shit out of me, I voted him up to be lynched forgetting there was reasonable proof he was bus driver. Keep in mind, he wasn't hard confirmed, just 2 was corroborating his story, making it likely. Hence when I typed in confirmed 10 as it sounded like a legitimate will. I will admit that it was a poor choice, but ironically it only happened because he complained about something I wasn't actually doing and pissed me off, so I let my anger make the final decision and lynch him.
After this mass lynch I am killed by a serial killer and it's 2 dead town 1 dead Triad, had things gone according to my initial plan it would have been 2/3 a bit better.
I don't like this being labelled with gamethrowing though because I wasn't trying to throw the game and would have had a decent lynch had Invictus not been the person he is.
Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ZZorange
I don't like this being labelled with gamethrowing though because I wasn't trying to throw the game and would have had a decent lynch had Invictus not been the person he is.
Deflection is one of the many defense mechanisms. When someone deflects, they are trying to feel less guilty, avoid negative consequences, and put the blame on others. It is a learned defense mechanism, typically starting from early childhood. Most people have heard children blame their siblings for something they did. Usually, this behavior is diminished as the child enters other development stages. However, the habit doesn’t always go away when someone enters adulthood. This can be a serious problem and can have a large effect on their relationships.
Source if you're interested in learning more.
Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690
lol what a mediocre way of sugarcoating the action of game-throwing. But unfortunately, nobody will listen to your ridiculous reasoning zzorange. Enjoy permanent ban.
Re: ZZorange: 1-S2-1-2701690
Honestly I have thought about making new accounts with the sole intention of actual gamethrowing numerous times now, but been put off everytime because at the end of the day it wouldn't be revenge it'd be punishing mostly good people for the actions of a few Invictuses and Altechs. It would be cathartic to actually get the joy of throwing a game if that was fun for me since I've been punished for it so much, but at the end of the day I don't enjoy gamethrowing and never have so I don't. If there was a hack that showed me playernames so i could specifically target bad people I would, but that's some tryhard shit.