Re: Should the Bible be taken literally?
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yzb25
Your post is a little ambiguous, but no I'm not trying to suggest you're responsible for site toxicity. Not even half of it. That would be ridiculous.
Sarcasm?
Re: Should the Bible be taken literally?
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Renegade
Sarcasm?
He pointed out your hypocrisy, explaining reasonably how a certain behavior is part of the problem.
He never claimed you to be the only one at fault, that'd be ridiculous.
Re: Should the Bible be taken literally?
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Mike
I get that. I do believe in God you do not. That is your right. But I respect you because you talk with Intelligence. You try to submit facts not BS. I still think we are on a similar page. Unless you do not agree with what you have already posted. I do not believe that is the case here.
Now on to the punish. that goes into the Salvation is not achieved by works alone. It is a matter of faith.
So why didn’t Jesus show up earlier? And why did he only show up in one part of the world? It seems pretty unfair, for example, that native Americans should have to burn in hell for another 1500 years before they even get exposed to Christianity.
I think a possible answer will be that those who were never exposed to god’s word are exempted from needing to believe, but this leads to a followup question: what counts as me being exposed enough? I mean if a missionary that can’t even speak my language just hands me a Bible that I don’t know how to read, would that be enough? So now I go to hell for poor linguistic skills?
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Like out of curiosity are these islanders all going to hell even though they don’t know of Christianity? Do you consider this guy a hero? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Chau
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aamirus
So why didn’t Jesus show up earlier? And why did he only show up in one part of the world? It seems pretty unfair, for example, that native Americans should have to burn in hell for another 1500 years before they even get exposed to Christianity.
I think a possible answer will be that those who were never exposed to god’s word are exempted from needing to believe, but this leads to a followup question: what counts as me being exposed enough? I mean if a missionary that can’t even speak my language just hands me a Bible that I don’t know how to read, would that be enough? So now I go to hell for poor linguistic skills?
You make a lot of valid points. The Blind are they at fault for walking passed someone passed out on the ground and not helping them? No they are not. The same goes for salvation. Jesus charged us with a task to go out and spread the word. In your case you are not blind, but it is your choice to accept Jesus into your heart or not. The Bible teaches man kind to help out one another.
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aamirus
I do not know it is not for me to decide who goes to hell and who does not. That is the problem with a lot of Christians. A lot of them want to tell people you are going to hell. That is wrong. And yes the man gave his life to try and help others. I would consider someone doing that a hero.
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Mike
You make a lot of valid points. The Blind are they at fault for walking passed someone passed out on the ground and not helping them? No they are not. The same goes for salvation. Jesus charged us with a task to go out and spread the word. In your case you are not blind, but it is your choice to accept Jesus into your heart or not. The Bible teaches man kind to help out one another.
alright so again I am curious where the cutoff point is. If I've never heard of jesus then I'm fine. But what if I've just heard his name but that's it? Or just a couple of stories about him? or a lot about him but not the rest of the bible? etc.
And isn't it kind of paradoxical that if nobody ever teaches me about jesus, then I am good to go, but as soon as they tell me about him I have to believe or I'm screwed? Like, missionary work is essentially cruel then because you're taking salvation AWAY from people.
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Following this logic ladder I think I can say Abortions are objectively good because they send the fetuses to heaven before they have a chance to lose out on salvation during life! I mean helping others get to heaven sounds like a good thing. So if you are already doomed to hell for your sins, the best way you can help your fellow man is by killing as many babies as you can find before they do something that would get them sent to hell!
Re: Should the Bible be taken literally?
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aamirus
alright so again I am curious where the cutoff point is. If I've never heard of jesus then I'm fine. But what if I've just heard his name but that's it? Or just a couple of stories about him? or a lot about him but not the rest of the bible? etc.
And isn't it kind of paradoxical that if nobody ever teaches me about jesus, then I am good to go, but as soon as they tell me about him I have to believe or I'm screwed? Like, missionary work is essentially cruel then because you're taking salvation AWAY from people.
Well now you are getting into stuff you would have to ask a pastor about. I do not want to mislead you. You are asking good questions but I do not want to give you wrong answers.
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aamirus
Following this logic ladder I think I can say Abortions are objectively good because they send the fetuses to heaven before they have a chance to lose out on salvation during life! I mean helping others get to heaven sounds like a good thing. So if you are already doomed to hell for your sins, the best way you can help your fellow man is by killing as many babies as you can find before they do something that would get them sent to hell!
My personal thought is Abortions is wrong on so many levels.
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Sin is in us all. The key is the choices we make in life. Everyone has a choice.
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aamirus
Following this logic ladder I think I can say Abortions are objectively good because they send the fetuses to heaven before they have a chance to lose out on salvation during life! I mean helping others get to heaven sounds like a good thing. So if you are already doomed to hell for your sins, the best way you can help your fellow man is by killing as many babies as you can find before they do something that would get them sent to hell!
The dark side is s curious thing, Darth Jar Jar Binks. It keeps our minds open to ideas that are out of reach for everyone else. SeemsGood
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This is why I like Judaism better. Jews believe that righteous gentiles will be saved :)
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Grayswandir
This is why I like Judaism better. Jews believe that righteous gentiles will be saved :)
I like Hinduism better. There's something romantic about the idea of gathering karma during this life, to have a better next life.
Re: Should the Bible be taken literally?
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According to Jewish teachings, hell is not entirely physical; rather, it can be compared to a very intense feeling of shame. People are ashamed of their misdeeds and this constitutes suffering which makes up for the bad deeds. When one has so deviated from the will of
God, one is said to be in Gehinnom. This is not meant to refer to some point in the future, but to the very present moment. The gates of
teshuva (return) are said to be always open, and so one can align his will with that of God at any moment. Being out of alignment with God's will is itself a punishment according to the
Torah.
I love this precept. I think the idea of Hell being a situation rather than a physical place is very realistic. A lot of people end up in hell at various points in their lives. But you can always choose to leave Hell.
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Grayswandir
I love this precept. I think the idea of Hell being a situation rather than a physical place is very realistic. A lot of people end up in hell at various points in their lives. But you can always choose to leave Hell.
How better to feel your regrets than to relive them over and over, like in the show Lucifer? Kappa
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I'm quite cruel when it comes to human life. I believe memories are what make an identity. If one has no memories, or no ability to make new ones I consider it fine to end their life to stop any further suffering or wasted resources.
Along with also allowing a life to develop in an environment that doesn't want them or will cause them to suffer.
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OzyWho
How better to feel your regrets than to relive them over and over, like in the show Lucifer? Kappa
That sounds like actual hell.
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Grayswandir
That sounds like actual hell.
Yeah, it is.
I feel like my sadistic joke didn't go over as well as planned. :S
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OzyWho
Yeah, it is.
I feel like my sadistic joke didn't go over as well as planned. :S
Lucifer is sexy. Nice taste you have.
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Renegade
I don't expect any love here for what I'm trying to say, this site is after all a known far right cesspool.
Totally unrelated but I think most of the people here lean left. I wonder if you can set your bias aside and consider what it means that you consider a political affiliation an insult or some sort of morally reprehensible condition.