S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless

Idk if its Martin or Ceko but I like Ceko more so....

-vote MartinGG99

I don't really trust any of you out of the 3 but whatever.

I'm not exaggerating when I legit just got that paper submitted 3 minutes ago, right before the deadline.

Citations, even if I have the links ready, took like an hour to make and ensure they were in the paper ;-;

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Originally Posted by ChannelMiner

Why are we lynching people that shot mafia?

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"Why are we trying to lynch people who haven't shot at anyone over people who have most certainly shot town and without warning?"

If you're somehow oblivious, I was making fun of Channel's first vote in this day phase

lol, i think martin gave up

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

lol, i think martin gave up

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There isn't anything more to say ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Have you given up?

Pretty sure MM could end it here by shooting MartinGG99/ceko then we lynch the other one.

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Originally Posted by ChannelMiner

Pretty sure MM could end it here by shooting MartinGG99/ceko then we lynch the other one.

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Technically you're correct there regardless of alignment

nothing "pretty sure" about that

Bleh, I've waited long enough, nothing terribly enlightening has been said. YEEHAW
-daykill ChannelMiner @Stealthbomber16

actually actually hey hey hey hey

-daykill ChannelMiner

:D

Aw, it's not activated. :(

Counting that as an intended daykill. Thread closed.

Day 7

ChannelMiner was shot by Marshmallow Marshall. ChannelMiner was a Citizen
3 players alive, 2 votes to hammer.

Player Name	Role	Day Killed
Lag	Citizen	Day 1
@Marshmallow Marshall	N/A	Alive
oliverz144	Goon	Day 4
@MartinGG99	N/A	Alive
Mizery	Citizen	Day 6
DoctorZeus	Goon	Day 5
BradLand	Citizen	Day 2
ChannelMiner	Citizen	Day 6
Oberon	Citizen	Day 3
@theoneceko	N/A	Alive

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-vote theoneceko

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Also, even if we want to assume Ceko is trolling, having him be the target of a train that will work in a relatively standard manner and that he cannot just cancel out by shooting (since he has already shot) is optimal.

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What? I don't think one can be much more anti-town than Ceko at the beginning of D1.

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I have the same feeling and kinda feel like you're town, and potentially even right...

That would make you one hell of a bad town player this game, though. And... that kind of play should simply not slide. Uuuuugh.

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At this point, I don't feel the "gut townread" on Ceko anymore, it decayed due to lack of meaningful participation and even more so due to the lack of spew on Ceko.
-vote theoneceko

What do you have to say in your defense, Ceko? Who's scum if not you?

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Yeah this is town Ceko, scum Ceko never goes out like this to prevent his scummate from getting townread, it makes zero sense. However, scum!Mizery could very well have found a "reason" to townread a scummate here.

-vote Mizery

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I am not voting or shoot ceko here, he's my top townread, ironically enough. I just don't see him being scum despite the spew. See yesterday's posts on his interactions. Besides, if ceko is scum, this is a highly ridiculous game lol, and it will mean we have to actively enforce a punitive meta towards trolly/anti-town actions.

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@ ceko, the safest play is never for me to shoot anyone lol, the shot is a guaranteed win. If you weren't spewed town, I would say this is scummy... but you are, so I guess you're just wrong lol.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...516/6cbvat.jpg

I'm praying to god that MM isn't mafia.

Not that I have doubts, but if he were then my head will explode on how much trolling from both alignments has happened.

-vote theoneceko

@Marshmallow Marshall pls WAIT for me to post my wall
since i actually think u will hammer me at this point

theres a chance CHAN was actually maf so i havent started thinking until now

@MartinGG99 get ur vote off me in the 1% chance u are not scum

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Originally Posted by MartinGG99

@Marshmallow Marshall
Shoot Channel. If Channel for some reason flips green, I'm always voting ceko. I don't care about voting you in that situation; because if you are wolf then Ceko is definitely town who really did troll on d1 and for that he must die by my salt.

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if u are town try to win the game, WHY r u lynching a "troll" (THIS IS IN QUOTES) in f3?!?!

if anything this shows martin is too confident, YET AGAIN, that mm is town

even tho mm killed BOTH mechanically confirmed town

@MartinGG99

EVERY town called u out

brad iso almost entirely focuses on u. U SHOT HIM
chanel shot oli then voted u before mm shot

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Originally Posted by ChannelMiner

Idk if its Martin or Ceko but I like Ceko more so....

-vote MartinGG99

I don't really trust any of you out of the 3 but whatever.

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miz shot zeus then voted u before u hammered
oberon voted u

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Originally Posted by Oberon

More thoughts:

I thought of pressuring Martin because his reads didn't really make sense to me (how can it occur to both alignments to "hammer" early? when I said it occurred to me, it only occurred to me to day kill ceko at the very start of d2. I most definitely did not want to day kill on d1).

I feel like his reads are somewhat made up IMO. He also seems to be changing his explanation every post. I do not like that lol

Like who thinks about the utility of an action before deciding they will be doing it?
Town certainly doesn't go into these detailed analyses of what the optimal play is, with utility/NAI stuff and whatnot lol. It feels like he's trying to prove ceko is Mafia, which is absurd because you cannot prove anything in this game, and it feels "scummy".

-vote MartinGG99

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((i will admit he said i should die in lylo. but if i get fuckin mislynched for 1st time as TOWN cuz "game theory", mm is either scum or THE worst town in existence. ive never seen a MAFIA slip by for so long))

MM voted u

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

-vote MartinGG99

No. You're more rational than that. You were the one talking about certainty and all earlier. You don't shoot people "for the lols" as town. Ceko? Maaaaybe, even though it sucks. You? Absolutely not. You know what I think? You were afraid I would shoot you (or that you would get quickly lynched) because I said I was beginning to reconsider Ceko, and you didn't want your team to lose a shot.

Hell, we even DISCUSSED the fact we shouldn't shoot people. If Ceko's behavior was highly questionable, yours is just unforgivable lol.

Again, since it needs to be said:

DO NOT SHOOT PEOPLE IF YOU ARE TOWN, USE LYNCH INSTEAD, IT'S MORE INFORMATIVE AND ALLOWS YOU TO SHOOT LATEGAME IF NEEDED

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

This is soooo sooooo soooooooo much rationalization lmao. You shot Brad and then thought about reasons to justify your murder. Plus, those reasons are terribly... weak. Like, even if I try to have town!Martin's perspective while holding the assumptions based on meta as true (which makes a lot of pro-Martin assumptions), I don't see how this could possibly justify a murder. Which brings me back to what I think I said yesterday: Martin shot because he was afraid he would get lynched, which would have meant his scum team would have lost a shot on a townie. See #277 as well: it still holds.

-vote MartinGG99

Also, ANYONE SHOOTING ANYONE IS SCUM CLAIMING AND WILL BE SHOT BY ME TOMORROW. If I'm the one who's shot, I dare hope townies will shoot the killer too lol. Today, we are LYNCHING someone. It's not like we have no choices among those who have already shot: we have Ceko, Zeus and Martin. If all three of them are town, we absolutely deserve to lose anyway lol. I think ceko is probably town after all (#257).

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I CALLED U OUT i wanted u SHOT

i did NOT joke when i said EVERY town

ur GOAL has been to eliminate EVERY town that opposed u. ur SHOT, VOTES, and suggestions on mm's shot SHOW this

ok i am SHOUTING too much

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mm can be scum, he tunneled miz right after she shot ZEUS. then he shot chanel. MM could be using mart to lynch me, BUT

his townread of mart does not look like pocket at all????

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

To have a chance to survive. Although... this is probably the only point in your defense I could see as half-valid, since it might not be optimal to try to survive at the cost of shooting an influent townie in such circumstances. Unless the issue is that I'm wrong. Or that you didn't think much because of panic. Eeeeeeeeeeeh. I'll let others weigh in on this

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Why are you so convincing ;-; I will let others who are not afraid of being confbiased into thinking their own case is accurate comment on this, but I don't feel so sure about it anymore, because it looks like the only way you're scum is if you just made a mistake. That is possible, but that also isn't making for a terribly strong case lol.

Yummy salad

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Hmm. Let the record show that I am not 100 % convinced Martin is town, but he has a point

-unvote

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what?? this is a pocket attempt??
SCUM would attack mart aggressively for this.. unless mm was afraid of being shot for MISlynching mart
mm literally asked me "WHAT IF I WAS POCKETING MART" tho, like how does this help SCUM!mm?
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he was FIRST to tunnel miz, which is extremely anti-town
he SHOT chanel, which is also extremely anti-town

however, mm is the only guy besides me who showed anger
(oberon and chan were mad too, but theyre both DEAD)

mm has been SO anti-town. scum!MM tries to rationalize, but MM has been suiciding and that makes me actually townread him
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mart SHOT brad
mart HAMMERED miz after my accidental vote on her, which is extremely anti-town
mart TOLD mm to shoot chan

mart has been townreading T00 MUCH, and never creating a REAL push of his own
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actually mm's actions look worse, but tonewise mart has sounded like wolf all along. literally from the start TOWN called his posts scummy. i already explained why i think mm's actions r somewhat justified, mart has much more scum equity

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

if u are town try to win the game, WHY r u lynching a "troll" (THIS IS IN QUOTES) in f3?!?!

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"I thought this was not a serious game

Lag was mafia, the host just made a typo

u guys know i am joking"


Why am I supposedly going against my wincon? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ idk you tell me

It must be a truly sad freaking game if we're both town and the majority of arguments you use against me can be also used against you.

Like not only because if we're both town then town has been absolutely crap

but also mafia somehow managed to frick up just enough to land in f3 with us

Rn I feel you are mafia.

I also feel that if you aren't mafia then you haven't played the whole game with genuine regard as to what makes social deception games to be social deception games.

Both of which I feel are vote-worthy

Additionally: If I even for a moment thought MM was mafia, voted him, and was wrong on you being somehow town then this would be the worst way to leave the game at. It would just be a terrible taste for me.

Voting you always gives me the best possible (personal) outcome here

The only time I would not do that is if I had absolute confirmation that you're town. I mean mech confirm town. Because, then, me yeeting you makes me just as worse of a player you were in shooting lag at the start of the game.

Technically you had no confirmation that lag was mafia. But you did have confirmation that your action would very likely hurt town rather than mafia.

You also played it off as a joke later.

-vote MartinGG99

Hi, I'm not mafia, so I am not hammering immediatly! Anyone placing a vote on me is scum claiming.

Now that this is out of the way, time to read.

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Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Like not only because if we're both town then town has been absolutely crap

but also mafia somehow managed to frick up just enough to land in f3 with us

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Well, Ceko's shot led the way. Honestly, I am very, very tempted to just lynch Ceko for policy because scum should never be allowed to get away with literal murder in public. And you... well, ugh. You're not even particularly towny. It's just that it feels weird to say you were ready to bet Ceko would refuse to hammer Channel (else, I would have ended up here with a shot and insta-win, resulting in your loss if you're scum).

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

ok i am SHOUTING too much

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mm can be scum, he tunneled miz right after she shot ZEUS. then he shot chanel. MM could be using mart to lynch me, BUT

his townread of mart does not look like pocket at all????



what?? this is a pocket attempt??
SCUM would attack mart aggressively for this.. unless mm was afraid of being shot for MISlynching mart
mm literally asked me "WHAT IF I WAS POCKETING MART" tho, like how does this help SCUM!mm?
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he was FIRST to tunnel miz, which is extremely anti-town
he SHOT chanel, which is also extremely anti-town

however, mm is the only guy besides me who showed anger
(oberon and chan were mad too, but theyre both DEAD)

mm has been SO anti-town. scum!MM tries to rationalize, but MM has been suiciding and that makes me actually townread him
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mart SHOT brad
mart HAMMERED miz after my accidental vote on her, which is extremely anti-town
mart TOLD mm to shoot chan

mart has been townreading T00 MUCH, and never creating a REAL push of his own
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actually mm's actions look worse, but tonewise mart has sounded like wolf all along. literally from the start TOWN called his posts scummy. i already explained why i think mm's actions r somewhat justified, mart has much more scum equity

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I have been ANTI-TOWN? You're the one saying this?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b6/6d...817c7fd6d8.gif

Lol.

-vote theoneceko

If this is wrong, I have many people other than myself to blame, so it's alright ;)
Also sorry ChannelMiner, but you completely failed to answer questions or to... well, participate, so it was a little hard to decide.
If Martin is scum, he defended himself well and pocketed me successfully enough. Letting Ceko get away with his game would just be criminal at this point.

This game was fun, but a shitshow in which I was mostly wrong :D GG

theoneceko has been hammered. Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


theoneceko (2 [L-0]): MartinGG99, Marshmallow Marshall
MartinGG99 (1 [L-1]): theoneceko

TOWN VICTORY!

Lag, Marshmallow Marshall, MartinGG99, Mizery, BradLand, ChannelMiner, and Oberon have won!

99 votes to hammer. Voting for MVP has begun!

Discussion is open, stay tuned for postgame host analysis.

There will be no host MVP awarded this game because none of you motherfuckers deserve it
Daykills enabled.

-vote No one

Alternatively, here's why I deserve MVP,
I was the only player that did all of:
-Won the game
-Didn't shoot a fellow town
-Didn't get shot by a fellow town
-Didn't flame excessively

#LagForMVP

-vote Lag

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Originally Posted by Lag

Alternatively, here's why I deserve MVP,
I was the only player that did all of:
-Won the game
-Didn't shoot a fellow town
-Didn't get shot by a fellow town
-Didn't flame excessively

#LagForMVP

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I also didn't get shot :).

B).

-vote Lag

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Originally Posted by Lag

Alternatively, here's why I deserve MVP,
I was the only player that did all of:
-Won the game
-Didn't shoot a fellow town
-Didn't get shot by a fellow town
-Didn't flame excessively

#LagForMVP

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lol, i real talk independently of your post here decided to vote you.
reasoning: you are the only one who didnt advance the scum wincon

-daykill Stealthbomber16

@Stealthbomber16 has been daykilled! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


No One (1 [L-98]): Lag
Lag (2 [L-97]): MartinGG99, Mizery

-vote lag

-daykill aamirus

woohoo i can type! @aamirus copy the threadclosing code line from the hammer bot and add it intented to the daykill code, that should fix it easily

*lines

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

woohoo i can type! @aamirus copy the threadclosing code line from the hammer bot and add it intented to the daykill code, that should fix it easily

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I think they quite simply unlocked the thread after using it

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Originally Posted by Lag

-vote theoneceko

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ty for the vote of confidence

Kira Sends His Regards.