S-FM 350: Chaotic Executioner

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

I think I'll place my vote on Marshall for now
I think that's the most universally pro town role regardless of who the executioner gives it to. An extra lynch is always good imo - it's an extra kill in town's control.

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Ehhh I agree with the principle but I don't think the specifics check out, here.

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Originally Posted by powerofdeath

I assumed this is directed toward the host. In the future if you want questions answered by the host, ask in green color. One scum is forced to do the killing, they cant choose to not kill. If they get another rolecard that force them to do actions, then yes they are forced to do their role as well.

There are no last wills.

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It wasn't yet but it would've been since no one answered. Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

Why are you moving on instead of trying to engage with it. If it is in fact a misunderstanding, dismissing it isn't going to help Gikkle or others understand where your head is or what you are trying to say.

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Fair point but I'm lazy and it's so early in a lynch-less day anyway than I can't really seem to care all that much.

Fair enough. For now. :)

Current votes:

1. Stellaria
2. Gikkle - Marshall
3. Loldebite - Caroler
4. BusterCannon
5. ItalianoVD - Mentor
6. Nancy Drew 39 - Sheriff
7. Frinckles - Caroler
8. Auwt - Crier
9. MartinGG99 - Caroler
10. yoshida - Gunsmith
11. ikarusdk - Caroler
12. Renegade
13. Clemensthelemon

Correct me if I missed anything.

how tovote role

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Honestly I don't think gunsmith's as bad as it seems. Still, issue I got with the role is that it's still potential scum-side KP. It's actually almost guaranteed to be extra scum-side KP if the game goes on long enough. It's also potential KP for either Jester or Exe, since both of these would LOVE a way to gun down PR to rush out Sudden Death. This role scares me a shit ton actually.

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There's no reason to be afraid. I won't let anything happen to you.

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Originally Posted by BusterCannon

There's no reason to be afraid. I won't let anything happen to you.

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Thanks but I don't care about anything happening to me as much as I care about town loosing, which is a completely uncorrelated issue and one where shooting PRs is a very valid concern regardless of the proficiency of your protection.

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Originally Posted by clemensthelemon

how tovote role

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I swear to god I try not to be annoyingly passive-aggressive whenever I see people posting stuff that makes it obvious that they couldn't even bother skimming through either the opening post(s) or the setup but I can't help it. I guess that's a massive pet peeves of mine, I hate it.

You write the name of the role in yellow, just like those posts with roles in yellow that you've hopefully read.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Honestly I don't think gunsmith's as bad as it seems. Still, issue I got with the role is that it's still potential scum-side KP. It's actually almost guaranteed to be extra scum-side KP if the game goes on long enough. It's also potential KP for either Jester or Exe, since both of these would LOVE a way to gun down PR to rush out Sudden Death. This role scares me a shit ton actually.

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That last bit is even more reason to not even consider gunsmith as an option.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

I can see what made you dislike it now, but odds are I'm not winning buster's graces anytime soon and I reckon I wouldn't keep them for long anyway. BusterCannon is hallowkat, right ? Or am I mixing up people ?

> had just said in his previous post that he read the setup

Uh, did I ? I thought I'd said the opposite...

> So agreeing with Buster that Renegade looks bad for trying to apparently "hang the oracle for a free kill"

What, is that what I'm agreeing with ??

Kay this is just a stupid misunderstanding, moving on

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uhhh, if bustercannon is an alt, that'd be very useful information to know. I was under the impression they were a newbie.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Shit, didn't expect to have to vote for roles AT ALL, must've missed that from the setup. Ugh. Anyway, that's a problem for tomorrow me

debbie peacing out for real this time

good whatever-time-it-is y'all

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"Must of missed that from the setup" implies you read the setup.

And you didn't know what you were agreeing with???? That's even worse???

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

uhhh, if bustercannon is an alt, that'd be very useful information to know. I was under the impression they were a newbie.



"Must of missed that from the setup" implies you read the setup.

And you didn't know what you were agreeing with???? That's even worse???

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i have no idea who hollowcat is and i am not an alt

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Originally Posted by BusterCannon

i have no idea who hollowcat is and i am not an alt

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Oh. I have no idea where I got that idea... I guess your profile picture ? Nevermind then lol

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Oh. I have no idea where I got that idea... I guess your profile picture ? Nevermind then lol

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no clue lol someone just said that they think im a hollowcat but i am not lol

if lolde is scum buster's probably town tbh

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Oh. I have no idea where I got that idea... I guess your profile picture ? Nevermind then lol

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Loldebite who do you think is evil so far?

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

if lolde is scum buster's probably town tbh

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for the initial "appeasement" thing but also because I feel like lolde making that alt mistake probably doesn't happen if they're partners

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

for the initial "appeasement" thing but also because I feel like lolde making that alt mistake probably doesn't happen if they're partners

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unless buster is a secret alt and it was actually a slip that lolde knew his secret identity...

...probably not

I think buster is someone who is very used to fast paced set ups, perhaps an arcade player.

By their way of posting, I wouldn't be surprised if they rand jester. Aimless pushes with outrageous reasons.

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

uhhh, if bustercannon is an alt, that'd be very useful information to know. I was under the impression they were a newbie.

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He isn't an alt. Plays the mod.

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

uhhh, if bustercannon is an alt, that'd be very useful information to know. I was under the impression they were a newbie.



"Must of missed that from the setup" implies you read the setup.

And you didn't know what you were agreeing with???? That's even worse???

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Was that part actually mentioned in the setup thread that PoD started a while back ? I sure as hell didn't recall that bit, but it might've been and I might've forgotten. It's been (about) a month, after all.

I wasn't agreeing with the oracle part lol
Never have I said or implied anything of the sort, that's your interpretation of me saying it's still a bit likelier to come from scum than not. What I was kinda agreeing on was the vibe/tone/soul/whatever read on renegade.
Reading back buster's comment, I can't make sense of any of it, no clue why "limiting options" felt good at the moment and it turns out that renegade's opinion and mine about roles are almost identical sooo... Guess I was wrong lol

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

if lolde is scum buster's probably town tbh

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You should know I'm never scum.

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Originally Posted by BusterCannon

Loldebite who do you think is evil so far?

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No fucking idea ?

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

This is a bad suggestion but also a fun one. Crier doesn't do shit for town.

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Originally Posted by Renegade

The crier and gunsmith votes are suspicious.

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Make the Chaotic Executioner provide at least 1 useless role is a fair and honest move whatsoever.
At least this won't arm town (and nor Mafia obviously, i know, but the point is to reduce the strength of potential power roles imo).

Any other roles could very well fall into evils hands and harm us.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Make the Chaotic Executioner provide at least 1 PERFECT role is a fair and honest move whatsoever.
At least this won't arm town (and nor Mafia obviously, i know, but the point is to reduce the strength of potential power roles imo).

Any other roles could very well fall into evils hands and harm us.

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Mistakes were made.
Apologies.

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Originally Posted by clemensthelemon

how tovote role

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Write in yellow the name of the role you would like the Executioner to force to pick.
You can have access to the list of roles in the setup thread, if you don't remember.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Make the Chaotic Executioner provide at least 1 useless role is a fair and honest move whatsoever.
At least this won't arm town (and nor Mafia obviously, i know, but the point is to reduce the strength of potential power roles imo).

Any other roles could very well fall into evils hands and harm us.

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That's why I'm voting oracle.

man this kindle browser is really badit wwon't even let me format my text

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Originally Posted by Renegade

That's why I'm voting oracle.

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Well, Oracle is low risk but not no-risk.
But I can see where you going, I'm down to follow it.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Well, Oracle is low risk but not no-risk.
But I can see where you going, I'm down to follow it.

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how is oracle not risk-free ? Is oracle affected by Suits ?

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

how is oracle not risk-free ? Is oracle affected by Suits ?

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Two main concerns :

-A Janitor on either side can nullify Oracle's work.

-A Witch could manipulate Oracle on their behalf causing massive damage. (Same goes for Bus Driver actually?)


There might eventually be more issues, but that's my first thoughts on Oracle.
On the other hand, I don't see any particular problem to pick Crier.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Make the Chaotic Executioner provide at least 1 useless role is a fair and honest move whatsoever.
At least this won't arm town (and nor Mafia obviously, i know, but the point is to reduce the strength of potential power roles imo).

Any other roles could very well fall into evils hands and harm us.

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Wouldn't you rather have a hood chat if you want additional discussion circling?

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

No fucking idea ?

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lol

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Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Wouldn't you rather have a hood chat if you want additional discussion circling?

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Do you mean Cult Leader and/or Mentor?

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Originally Posted by BusterCannon

lol

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Too early to tell, Day 1 is 24 hours and from Day 2 it will be 48 hours. Plenty of time to discuss.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Do you mean Cult Leader and/or Mentor?

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Yeah, I think those would be better if you want a role that can provide additional information outside discussion hours.

I haven't fully absorbed the set up yet because I'm still tied down in another game atm, so I don't know if crier, mentor or cult leader chats anonymous

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Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Yeah, I think those would be better if you want a role that can provide additional information outside discussion hours.

I haven't fully absorbed the set up yet because I'm still tied down in another game atm, so I don't know if crier, mentor or cult leader chats anonymous

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Nvm I now understand these roles. I went back and read about them

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Two main concerns :

-A Janitor on either side can nullify Oracle's work.

-A Witch could manipulate Oracle on their behalf causing massive damage. (Same goes for Bus Driver actually?)


There might eventually be more issues, but that's my first thoughts on Oracle.
On the other hand, I don't see any particular problem to pick Crier.

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Mh. Annoying, but pertinent. What about Caroler, then ?

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Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Yeah, I think those would be better if you want a role that can provide additional information outside discussion hours.

I haven't fully absorbed the set up yet because I'm still tied down in another game atm, so I don't know if crier, mentor or cult leader chats anonymous

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As far as I understand the setup,
Crier is more like a Journalist (with anonymous post [within SOD and EOD post?])
Mentor let your Mentee know who you are (only your role, not alignment, so can backfire).
Cult Leader let every Cult members know who you are (only your role, not alignment, so can backfire).

Cult Leader and Mentor are definitely stronger options, at the expense (or moreover) of giving away the identity of the protagonist.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Two main concerns :

-A Janitor on either side can nullify Oracle's work.

-A Witch could manipulate Oracle on their behalf causing massive damage. (Same goes for Bus Driver actually?)


There might eventually be more issues, but that's my first thoughts on Oracle.
On the other hand, I don't see any particular problem to pick Crier.

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Just realized that the 2nd part probably wouldn't work, since AFAIK oracle announces who was targeted anyway. But Janitor is a valid criticism.

I read through the set up.

A friendly reminder. Chaos exe is not town friendly. His wincon is to eliminate 4 oilut of 5 roles he hand out. In this regard, jester is more town friendly in the end because the jester works directly agaisnt the chaos exe.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Mh. Annoying, but pertinent. What about Caroler, then ?

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Caroler can fail their song depending on one's movement.
Can also be quite easily forged by Illusionist.
Whether the carol arrives to Town's / Mafia's / Neutral's ears, the outcome might very well harm us (e.g singing to a Maf).

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Just realized that the 2nd part probably wouldn't work, since AFAIK oracle announces who was targeted anyway. But Janitor is a valid criticism.

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I don't see anything like this in the available feedbacks though.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Caroler can fail their song depending on one's movement.
Can also be quite easily forged by Illusionist.
Whether the carol arrives to Town's / Mafia's / Neutral's ears, the outcome might very well harm us (e.g singing to a Maf).

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I mean.. you could say about this for most roles.

I think it is pointless to discuss if a role is safer or more dangerous because they all cam be argued that if mafia lands them, ithe role is inherently bad for town

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Originally Posted by clemensthelemon

man this kindle browser is really badit wwon't even let me format my text

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https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/custo...tar46550_1.gif



Sorry, I had to make fun of your choice of avatar and posting lmao.

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Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I read through the set up.

A friendly reminder. Chaos exe is not town friendly. His wincon is to eliminate 4 oilut of 5 roles he hand out. In this regard, jester is more town friendly in the end because the jester works directly agaisnt the chaos exe.

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Jester doesn't go against exe. When exe wins, Sudden Death happens and that's where Jester has his best odds of winning IMO. Which means he'll seek this out. IMO he's the closest thing exe has to an ally.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

I don't see anything like this in the available feedbacks though.

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With no LW and no way for oracle to tell who he targeted because he'd be dead by that point, either the role is useless or it does.

Make sure to watch out for people using codewords. If I hadnt realize bomber was a role I would have mistaken it for a codeword so watch out k.

all gyea my style of posting is kinda unique/chaoticBRUHwon't even let me quote hereI swear in mafiascum at least I could quote

errrdid the posting not work lol