S-FM 350: Chaotic Executioner

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

Town
4. BusterCannon
11. Ikarusdk

Light Town
6. Nancy Drew 39
1. Stellaria

GTH town (I am very not confident in these reads)
5. ItalianoVD
10. yoshida
9. MartinGG99

no opinion or mildly bad vibes
7. Frinckles
8. Auwt
3. Loldebite
12. Renegade
13. Clemensthelemon

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I get bad vibes about renegade too. its no coincidence. he is evil

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

Who do you have meta on?

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Italiano. We’ve played a couple of games together.

Oh, nah, I didnt think you were layering. I just thought it was ironically funny

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Originally Posted by Stellaria

Dont want to overwhelm you if you're feeling disoriented. I also dunno if Im the best at explaining it admittedly, it took me a few attempts to get my idea across to some of the others

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You talking about a wolf Sheriff fakeclearing etc?

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

I disagree with almost everything said here. I don't think ren is likely jester from this. I don't see how they're being particularly cagey either.

I don't see how jester does anything to look town.

Buster has yet to give any explanation, for all we know it could be a RVS vote. I don't think considering buster to be tunnelling is legitimate at this stage.

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Have you played in many games with a jester? I have, so that’s what I was basing that on.

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Originally Posted by Stellaria

I can try though if you want

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Sure.

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

You talking about a wolf Sheriff fakeclearing etc?

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Okay hold on Mr Powers what?

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Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39

Sure.

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Plan:
Every day, each person makes one post.

All of them claim three roles from the list.

All of them can choose to provide results for their claims.

We move forward and continue, and don't dwell on the claims.

We come back to the claims if and only if someone dies and they flip one of their claimed roles.

We now have that person's information to work off of in the future.

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Originally Posted by BusterCannon

I get bad vibes about renegade too. its no coincidence. he is evil

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I’ll ask this again, can you explain your read on him? What SPECIFICALLY about his posting makes you think that?

The purpose: It gives power roles a means of claiming their roles in a smokescreen so that scum cannot tell who is what

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Originally Posted by Stellaria

Plan:
Every day, each person makes one post.

All of them claim three roles from the list.

All of them can choose to provide results for their claims.

We move forward and continue, and don't dwell on the claims.

We come back to the claims if and only if someone dies and they flip one of their claimed roles.

We now have that person's information to work off of in the future.

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If each player claims 3 roles, should there be a preferred order to this because otherwise. you might have players claiming some of the same fake roles. Also how does this help us determine who is mafia?

Before I actually forget: People with power roles can still choose to hide their role. We'll have plenty of time in the future to look at claims if someone has a red check

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Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39

If each player claims 3 roles, should there be a preferred order to this because otherwise. you might have players claiming some of the same fake roles. Also how does this help us determine who is mafia?

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More likely it isn't going to help us find who is Mafia, but instead help us determine who is town. Think of it as every day, everyone is voluntarily breadcrumbing information for the future that will only mean anything if they die

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Originally Posted by Stellaria

The purpose: It gives power roles a means of claiming their roles in a smokescreen so that scum cannot tell who is what

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But if scum knows players are fakeclaiming, so why would they read anything into that?

At least some votes are starting to fall into place. I'll be back in a few hours.

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Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39

But if scum knows players are fakeclaiming, so why would they read anything into that?

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If everyone is fake claiming, then scum won't likely read into the claims. That's exactly the point. We are providing a medium for power roles to softclaim their roles and feedback without immediately getting shot by scum for it

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Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39

I’ll ask this again, can you explain your read on him? What SPECIFICALLY about his posting makes you think that?

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I already told you.....

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Originally Posted by Renegade

At least some votes are starting to fall into place. I'll be back in a few hours.

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Renegade I want your rolecard

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Originally Posted by Stellaria

Okay hold on Mr Powers what?

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Sheriff fakeclears done by wolves? Aint that confusing.

Morning. Just woke up but I have to go to work soon. Did catch up on posts though. I only got time to post about me being scumread.

Pikachu face.

Summing up.
Frinckles is doubling down on his rvs vote
Loldebite says I'm scummy because i lack conviction behind my day 1 reads.

I mean...did we have any meaningful posts or interactions when I made my day 1 read? Then I worked and showed my thought progress about buster, because he was the only interesting player at that time.

Also if I'm scum for saying pros and cons about Stella's plan, and asking for more opinions, then wow maybe I shouldn't be open for discussions at all.

I'll come back later during breaks

We are 24 hours into Day 2!

Current Vote Count:

ikarusdk (1): Frinckles
Renegade (1): BusterCannon
BusterCannon (2): ItalianoVD, Nancy Drew 39
Auwt (1): Gikkle
yoshida (2): Auwt, Renegade
Gikkle (1): MartinGG99
Skip Day (5): Stellaria, Loldebite, yoshida, ikarusdk. Clemensthelemon

Reminder that not voting count as skipping the day.

What if this is buster's attempt at distancing from his scum buddy renegade :thinkingintensifies

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

What if this is buster's attempt at distancing from his scum buddy renegade :thinkingintensifies

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that is one big thinking face

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

IMO it's more tutoring a player's first FM than actual reaction to pressure...

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This.

And one thing that concerns me about Buster is that I'm not sure if he's just acting like a newb or acting more maliciously as say a Jester.

I'd give it 65% town 35% jester. But that is higher than expected Jester average for any given player.

And I feel too much of the discussion today has been around Buster. I'm guilty of this.

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

What if this is buster's attempt at distancing from his scum buddy renegade :thinkingintensifies

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While I guess it's possible, what would be the logic or benefit behind bussing your partner this early when you could simply not do so.

Stellaria, Nancy, Renegade, Gikkle, loldebite, and Martin all feel like town to me.

I'm also waiting for the dynamic between ikarus and Frinckles to evolve. Frinckles seems more like the town between the two, but he could just be really good at sounding townie.

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Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

@yoshida , what are your thoughts so far on the game?

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Good Evening! I am here :)

Until post #367, I have diligently examined the contributions of every player. While I have only had the chance to briefly look at newer posts, I intend to analyze them tonight.

At first glance, I am pleased to notice a shift in focus from a stagnant discussion of roles to discussion of reads.

I will share my thoughts on other players in a subsequent post later tonight. However, if you are asking about my general thoughts thus far, then I have to tell you I am not a good forum mafia player. With a modest 10 games under my belt and a 50% winrate, I am relatively new to this. I have been in 2 games with Jester and I must admit I dislike Jester games as it gives too much room for the mafia especially given how some players from either alignment can start behaving like Jester at any point. This is one of the things I have been trying to figure out earlier regarding ikarus, particularly in light of the mention that they may have received coaching from a champ. Considering this information, a push in that direction would be worthwhile effort since I found their involvement rather hollow and further led me to find gaps between their reads and reasoning.


Additionally, I have observed a considerable level of activity in the RVS, with players neglecting to consider the potential consequences and how they may impact future reads of the game, particularly wagonomics. I am willing to hear your further thoughts on the game @ItalianoVD

Hmm perhaps I am overlooking the "townread the one who scumreads me" scum tactic possibly being employed by Renegade.

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Originally Posted by Renegade

This.

And one thing that concerns me about Buster is that I'm not sure if he's just acting like a newb or acting more maliciously as say a Jester.

I'd give it 65% town 35% jester. But that is higher than expected Jester average for any given player.

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It could just be playstyle, but in this hypothetical scenario Renegade knows BusterCannon is town and instead of going after the person who suspects him (which seems more like a townie response, especially given the ridiculous reason) he tries to "guide a newbie" as he has stated and even believes he is town.

For those that scumread Renegade, tell me in your best case why I should be scumreading Renegade.

For those that townread BusterCannon, tell me in your best case why I should be townreading Buster.

@Frinckles : You said that scum!Renegade will show himself eventually. Is that in voting patterns or in posting? What is it that we should be looking for?

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Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

Stellaria, Nancy, Renegade, Gikkle, loldebite, and Martin all feel like town to me.

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Sorry, forgot Yoshida.

While I observe the contributions of Clemens and MartinGG, it becomes apparent that one is showing greater effort compared to the former. However, I fail to comprehend the reasoning behind those who take MartinGG for granted or disregard the presence of both players altogether. Perhaps this is a matter we should be looking into tomorrow if not today.

Renegade I still want your rolecard buddy.

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Originally Posted by yoshida

Good Evening! I am here :)

Until post #367, I have diligently examined the contributions of every player. While I have only had the chance to briefly look at newer posts, I intend to analyze them tonight.

At first glance, I am pleased to notice a shift in focus from a stagnant discussion of roles to discussion of reads.

I will share my thoughts on other players in a subsequent post later tonight. However, if you are asking about my general thoughts thus far, then I have to tell you I am not a good forum mafia player. With a modest 10 games under my belt and a 50% winrate, I am relatively new to this. I have been in 2 games with Jester and I must admit I dislike Jester games as it gives too much room for the mafia especially given how some players from either alignment can start behaving like Jester at any point. This is one of the things I have been trying to figure out earlier regarding ikarus, particularly in light of the mention that they may have received coaching from a champ. Considering this information, a push in that direction would be worthwhile effort since I found their involvement rather hollow and further led me to find gaps between their reads and reasoning.


Additionally, I have observed a considerable level of activity in the RVS, with players neglecting to consider the potential consequences and how they may impact future reads of the game, particularly wagonomics. I am willing to hear your further thoughts on the game @ItalianoVD

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I really like the way you break things down Yoshida, even though you say you are somewhat inexperienced, especially your last paragraph. I agree that a lot of players don't really cherish their votes and pretty much throw it around like it doesn't mean anything, sometimes even voting for townreads or voting for someone just to "get them active" both of which are pretty weird to me. I like your analysis and look forward to more of it as the game progresses. :)

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Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

I'm also waiting for the dynamic between ikarus and Frinckles to evolve. Frinckles seems more like the town between the two, but he could just be really good at sounding townie.

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I actually find ikarus more townie than Frinckles.

Frinckles has a dismissive attitude that reminds me of his scum games.

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Originally Posted by clemensthelemon

all gyea my style of posting is kinda unique/chaoticBRUHwon't even let me quote hereI swear in mafiascum at least I could quote

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Who were you in mafiascum?

ikarus - loldebite - Renegade

I feel like elimination within this pool seems the most reasonable to me. I could elaborate on this but I want to give everything another read first to see if I am missing something.

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Originally Posted by Renegade

I actually find ikarus more townie than Frinckles.

Frinckles has a dismissive attitude that reminds me of his scum games.

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After reading over ikarus' iso again, I think I was mistaken when I said Frinckles was the townier of the two. ikarus was the one who was actually engaging and interacting and tonally sounded like town. My mistake.

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Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

I feel villagery vibes from Yoshida, Renegade, and to a bit lesser extent from lol. Reason for this is through their posts. I read people tonally and by trying to figure out if what they'd say is alignment indicative. I know everyone does this and it's pretty par for the course, but it's my main course of action. I don't do mechanics, so gameplay is really important for me. With that being said, I have the opposite feeling when I read BusterCannon and Frinckles' post. I didn't like BusterCannon's reasoning for being suspicious of Renegade and when I asked about it he didn't acknowledge it.

-vote BusterCannon

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This is where I was and still am.

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Originally Posted by ItalianoVD

This is where I was and still am.

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I understand this vote, and it is something I am considering. However, I am having trouble understanding why ikarus didn't follow their thoughts on Buster or present an alternative. They have brushed off my last question and disengaged from the discussion. The reason I suspect the three names I mentioned is that they are easy to dismiss Buster as a new FM player while they haven't been reading each other. On the contrary, Gikkle seemed to be engaging those three.

Okay I'm back from work. Time to dive into it!

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Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Well...I kinda like it and I kinda don't.

Because I see pros and cons.

Pros:
-Real PRs can soft without actually being outed
-Town PRs will be better protected.

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-Might create too much confusion for town, I mean.....it would take alot of work and coordination to actually figure out the real claim vs fake claim and things could get lost in the chaos.
-Chaos Exe already knows who they are but town wouldn't know if they can trust any claim.

I don't know. That's how I feel about it atm.

I am so glad this is not a flipless game.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

I don't like the edging nor the tone. You're now in my watch-what-you're-doing bucket

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What kind of tone do you mean? Like, i think this but i think that but im not so sure kind of tone?

I am being honest in my thought process as they occur in this game. If that means sometimes I am edging on a topic I am uncertain about (but it seems alot of players view uncertainty as wolfy), then I still will. I want discussions to happen. If people disagree with me, then I would like to hear about it. More discussion=more information we can use to solve the game, wouldn't you agree? If I was to hold off on my thoughts because I know I am uncertain about something, then I would only be posting 1 thing at a time and I don't think that helps anyone.

And I think you intentionally ignore my subsequent posts that provide the exact 'thought process' i was talking about. I understand if you are posting as you are catching up, but if that is not the case, then I don't like that kind of approach to solves.

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Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Having said that, everyone is null for me

This is a super early read/feelings

EVERYONE-NULL-but i am already liking some people.

Buster-not scumlean, but currenly would like to see him flip. This view might change as he posts more and changes his 'tude to accepting more interaction.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

twice now that you feel exceedingly edgy in your opinions.

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I am assuming you mean the stuff I highlighted in bold?

Then let me ask you. Is Buster town or scum? Or is he neutral? Please do tell me. Also, I wouldn't want to you to change this answer as days progress.

Speaking of Gikkle,

Gikkle and Stellaria seems to be on a good frequency with my thoughts while MartinGG's style reminds me of a certain strategy from a partner I encountered in a previous game, which raises my suspicion. Buster might be playing his worst town game but at least he have done a ton of work engaging people into the game. Clemens presence already makes this game feel like we are 12 players.


I have nothing negative about Nancy or Italiano.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

TR => none yet (tempted to default to Frinckles)

SR => ika cuz he seems/sounds much more uncertain than he usually does but tbh I don't recall how he was as scum at all soooo

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I mean....this is also edgy

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Originally Posted by Renegade

-vote yoshida

there is my top scum read.

Their overly exhaustive style is a distraction. A way of saying a lot without saying anything.

Also I am not a huge fan of folks asking other people "what do you think?" it also comes across as an extremely basic way to appear towny without actually doing anything meaningful.

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From my very limited FM experience, people don't like it that much when you are uncertain and ask for others opinions so I don't necessarily agree that it makes you appear towny. Depends on the context of where that came from though of course.

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Originally Posted by MartinGG99

this is my attempt at a d1 vote without overthinking things much

hope I'm right

-vote Gikkle

Spoiler : raisins :

something something feel like lolde and gikkle are in different worlds and my TMI gut says lolde town as I think the reasons against them are similar to reasons used when he was a suspected town before, though I have not double-checked this in order to avoid over-thinking

I have a feeling that more of gikkle's posts are to demonstrate him thinking; a lot of their thinking is public (or is being made public eventually when quoting other's posts about X or Y slot) and I don't see much if any being hidden for any purpose despite him fence-sitting (i.e. not really making mind up) in some cases

I also gotta make more posts before I head off to do some exam studying, as otherwise I'm basically only here in the last hour or two of this day phase and that's asking to miss out on minimum posting requirements

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I don't understand. So essentially you feel Debs is town, and Debs and Gikkles do not feel t/t, Gikkles is wolf?

I was gonna say that the public thinking of Gikkles is super towny.

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

okay so you don't tr me. that's good because I was about to scumread you for that. now please sheep me and vote ikarus

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I really do not enjoy this post and i feel it reeks of agenda. Just unsure of what kind.

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

Town
4. BusterCannon
11. Ikarusdk

Light Town
6. Nancy Drew 39
1. Stellaria

GTH town (I am very not confident in these reads)
5. ItalianoVD
10. yoshida
9. MartinGG99

no opinion or mildly bad vibes
7. Frinckles
8. Auwt
3. Loldebite
12. Renegade
13. Clemensthelemon

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Mine

Town
Me of course
Gikkle
ItalianoVD

Townlean
Buster
MartinGG99
Renegade
Nancy Drew

Null
Stellaria
Yoshida
Auwt
Clemensthelemon

Scumlean
Loldebite
Frinkckles

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Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Mine

Town
Me of course
Gikkle
ItalianoVD

Townlean
Buster
MartinGG99
Renegade
Nancy Drew

Null
Stellaria
Yoshida
Auwt
Clemensthelemon

Scumlean
Loldebite
Frinkckles

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as of post #478, still catching up properly

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Originally Posted by Renegade

-vote yoshida

there is my top scum read.

Their overly exhaustive style is a distraction. A way of saying a lot without saying anything.

Also I am not a huge fan of folks asking other people "what do you think?" it also comes across as an extremely basic way to appear towny without actually doing anything meaningful.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

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I should look into Yoshida further then. Although I'd like to hear why Auwt is also saying yoshida is his top scum read as well.

Hope it's not just sheeping.