S-FM 330: All Stars (Old School) Not for the Weak

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

Blink and Magoroth did not like Renegade on day 2. Both are confirmed (dead) town.

Stealth didn’t like Renegade either on day 2, so by association Stealth is basically confirmed town.

Also, Stealth made some insanely townie posts this game. Lynching Stealth is a big mistake.

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The first line is objectively false with Magoroth. They were town reading me for a long time. Why would I kill them?

I'm not in the goofy cult of gambits, if someone is town reading me and I'm scum I'm not going to kill them.

But I'm not scum. Shrug!

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

I... huh? Alright.

Just based on what I've said so far we've got

Yuesford (1 [L-98]):
Light_Yagami

Auwt (8 [L-91]):
Varcron, theoneceko, WrathCyber, Stealthbomber16, BananaCucho, MartinGG99, Renegade, Funny Thing

Light_Yagami (4 [L-95]):
Yuesford, ZZorange*, Auwt, S-FM Magoroth

MartinGG99 (1 [L-98]):
blinkskater

*Highlighted in pink to represent I don't think this guy was playing the fucking game

This would be what I could reasonably expect you to know I think from reading my ISO.

In this world, we'd have to have another red on the auwt train for auwt to be town. Let me fill in a couple more reads here since I'm already at this.

Yuesford (1 [L-98]):
Light_Yagami

Auwt (8 [L-91]):
Varcron, theoneceko, WrathCyber, Stealthbomber16, BananaCucho, MartinGG99, Renegade, Funny Thing

Light_Yagami (4 [L-95]):
Yuesford, ZZorange, Auwt, S-FM Magoroth

MartinGG99 (1 [L-98]):
blinkskater

This leaves me with 4 candidates for the last scum:
Auwt could be scum that we correctly lynched yesterday, which I personally doubt but it's on the table.
Magoroth could be scum but that would mean that there was only 1 scum on the Auwt train so it doesn't make much sense
You could be scum (likely scenario here)
Renegade could be scum (I'll have to reread his ISO I forget Renegade is in every game I play with him)

So lets look at it from the Auwt POV
Yuesford (1 [L-98]):
Light_Yagami

Auwt (8 [L-91]):
Varcron, theoneceko, WrathCyber, Stealthbomber16, BananaCucho, MartinGG99, Renegade, Funny Thing

Light_Yagami (4 [L-95]):
Yuesford, ZZorange, Auwt, S-FM Magoroth

MartinGG99 (1 [L-98]):
blinkskater

In this world, I don't think Banana is scum. Banana was pushing for the Auwt train very hard at the end of the day. This would have to mean that we still have another scum in the Martin/Ren/Mag pool, which means it's basically a waste of time to analyze this since my scumreads here are the exact same as in the scenario that I believe is current, just that Auwt and Banana have flip-flopped and blink is bad at forum mafia. It also literally does not fucking matter which one of them are scum in this mechanical scenario as long as one of them are.

So my pool today is between Yuesford (my ideal lynch), Mag, you and Ren. As the day progresses I may widen it to include some of the people in my dark green pool if I find they look really bad. My bright green pool is people I 100% will not lynch.

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Scum rarely try to game solve like this.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Magoroth

When you say "easy lynch for scum to push", it seems like you're also saying that you would have voted blink over zzorange. The most obvious reason to vote for zz is that his cc wasn't as good as blink's, not low hanging town fruit.

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Originally Posted by S-FM Magoroth

To answer your question ceko, I need to reread game, but don't really have the time to do it until later tonight.

Where my thought stands right now though is that people defending zz are either scum (who think they can get zz's vote out of some friendship), or are town for not pushing the 1v1.

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Renegade might say “GOOFY!!” but these quotes show that Magoroth didn’t like how Renegade talked about ZZ.

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Apologies to everyone for that really poorly formatted post. I had to read it 5 times to figure out what I was saying too.

TL;DR

Doesn't matter to me if Auwt or Banana was scum upon really looking at it. It doesn't change my reads either way. My scumteam right now is Yuesford + (1 of) Mag/Martin/Ren.

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I agree with your scum team fully, with the obvious exception of Magoroth.

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

I Also Just Had A Wild Though.. Mafia Could Have Double Tapped Varcron.. To Give The Illusion That We Killed One Yesterday With The Lynch Of Auwt.

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Scum!Yagami can’t fake being this clueless.

Bye Renegade!

He left the thread again.

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

Bye Renegade!

He left the thread again.

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yes, and?

Honestly more I'm thinking about it the more I think it could just be renegade/martin/banana

The only other universe that we're in here is something like ceko/yuesford + 1 which is... strange? I don't like the way renegade opened the day by trying to push blink's POE as though he wanted to avenge him though. That's very fishy to me.

I think that the renegade scum universe is the one that I have to play for today. If it's ceko/yuesford then ceko played well enough I don't mind giving him the win.

It's quiet... too quiet.

would love to see some new thoughts from renegade but it seems in true renegade fashion he hasn't responded to my post

Doesn't matter what I say now. See ya'll on the flip side.

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Originally Posted by Renegade

Doesn't matter what I say now. See ya'll on the flip side.

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I mean... if thats what you're thinking then sure.

See ya postgame.

15 until EOD and renegade appears to have given up which is probably a bad sign but there's nothing I can really do about it at this point. If you're not gonna put effort into the game then it's not worth putting in effort to save you.

The calmest end of days I have literally ever seen

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

15 until EOD and renegade appears to have given up which is probably a bad sign but there's nothing I can really do about it at this point. If you're not gonna put effort into the game then it's not worth putting in effort to save you.

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There is literally nothing I can say that will save me today. Nobody is even online. This day was over at 1 am when I got 4 votes total.

I'm not going to waste energy kicking and screaming.

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Originally Posted by Renegade

There is literally nothing I can say that will save me today. Nobody is even online. This day was over at 1 am when I got 4 votes total.

I'm not going to waste energy kicking and screaming.

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I did and it worked for me

Good luck folks. Smart town should know what my role is based on how willing I was to believe blink's theories about what happened each night. However, don't read too much into what I thought about blink. I was VERY confused ever since day 2 started.

I'm going to be busy for the rest of this week, so I can't really be much help anymore.

I think scum!Renegade killed Magoroth and blink because they both suspected him on day 2.

My PoE doesn't really matter if I die, but I'd advise Light to trust Stealth. Also, Yuesford is a better lynch than MM based on what I read and re-read.

Light, Stealth, and Wrath/MM look very townie.

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

The calmest end of days I have literally ever seen

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I'm okay with that. Renegade is probably the last scum anyways. I have reasons to townread everyone else, except maybe Yuesford.

This would be the moment where I'd say "lets turbo yuesford!" since we all 3 scumread him but renegade refuses to defend himself so I can't do that in good conscience

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

I did and it worked for me

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Any one that kicked and screamed prevented themselves from getting mislynched. FT is the only exception. RIP FT.

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

Any one that kicked and screamed prevented themselves from getting mislynched. FT is the only exception. RIP FT.

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FT had a very strange perception of the game but I still have no idea why blink thought he was scum

yawn

Part of me wishes I could be more active, but it's probably best for me to not spend all my time here anyways.

Least I didn't vote the confirmed vigi lmfao. Why am I being lynched again?

Treeko you condone voting blink? yikes(!!!!!)

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

FT had a very strange perception of the game but I still have no idea why blink thought he was scum

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Blink gets over-defensive like I do, although different things trigger him.

He gets mad when people don't follow him when he's a confirmed power role. I just get mad when people scumread me.

Voting a confirmed town out of "frustration" isn't even an excuse, its a gamethrow if you are town.

I wish I could've finished re-reading days 2 and 3. I have such a stale perspective of this game.

@Renegade it's way too late to defend yourself.

If you're town, I'm sorry. I'll just blame my poor play on the fact this setup is flipless.

I think I led a mislynch on town!Auwt and allowed a mislynch on town!FT. However, I'm less certain of the latter theory.

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

@Renegade it's way too late to defend yourself.

If you're town, I'm sorry. I'll just blame my poor play on the fact this setup is flipless.

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That's what I've been saying.

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

This would be the moment where I'd say "lets turbo yuesford!" since we all 3 scumread him but renegade refuses to defend himself so I can't do that in good conscience

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>_>

If you're scum, great job.

@Renegade what role are you?

Actually, what role do you claim :^)

I can't believe anything you say because I think you're scum, but I'm still curious.

I'm also bored and want this game to end. Hopefully it ends after Renegade's flip.

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Originally Posted by theoneceko

I'm also bored and want this game to end. Hopefully it ends after Renegade's lynch.

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Fixed that. I wish this setup had flips now.

Renegade (4 [L-95]):
Stealthbomber16, Light_Yagami, theoneceko, Marshmallow Marshall
Yuesford (1 [L-98]):
Renegade
Stealthbomber16 (1 [L-98]):
Yuesford

Renegade Has been lynched By the Decree of Majority

Living Players	Graveyard
@theoneceko @Yuesford @Marshmallow Marshall @Stealthbomber16 @Light_Yagami	@Auwt @BananaCucho @Varcron @ZZorange @MartinGG99 @S-FM Magoroth @Funny Thing @blinkskater @Renegade

Day 4 Ends



Night will end at 6 pm CST 7/1/2021

Marshmallow Marshall Has been Killed in the night

Living Players	Graveyard
@theoneceko @Yuesford @Stealthbomber16 @Light_Yagami	@Auwt @BananaCucho @Varcron @ZZorange @MartinGG99 @S-FM Magoroth @Funny Thing @blinkskater @Renegade @Marshmallow Marshall

Night 4 has ended you may now post. Sorry for the delays. Started a new Company and been crazy.

today should be a skip. no reason to lynch today when we will strictly have better odds tomorrow.

-vote skip

We get a full day to discuss here and the lynch pool is narrowed down by one overnight. There is literally NO reason to lynch someone today.

Nice throw :)

I don't care if someone literally hardclaims mafia. We should never ever lynch a person today. Skip the day and we go to LYLO tomorrow. There's no benefit to taking someone out right now.

Stop the act stealth. I know it's already 2v2. Just lynch me already.

I already warned since day 1 these duo. No chance to win now.

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Originally Posted by Yuesford

Stop the act stealth. I know it's already 2v2. Just lynch me already.

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If it were 2v2 the game would be over Yuesford. This isn't the mod. The game ends when mafia hits majority.

We lynched your scum partner yesterday. They'll lynch you tomorrow.

@Mike

Can I get a confirmation that the game would be over if there were 2 living mafia?

My goal is to be killed tonight. I'm gonna set out so many fucking bottles of wine in front of myself that mafia is gonna have no choice but to kill me. I'm fairly confident that even if we lose the game, a final 3 of ceko, yagami and yuesford is gonna be a circus of biblical proportions that will be remembered for generations to come.

mafia should've killed me n2 :) i even said this at the start of the game. i excel on day 1 and in the endgame mechanical scenarios.

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

@Mike

Can I get a confirmation that the game would be over if there were 2 living mafia?

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Win Cons for town are when All Mafia are dead.

Win Cons for Mafia are when there is a 50/50 of town and mafia and Town has no possible way to win.

For example 4 alive.

1. 2 Mafia alive 1 Doctor is alive 1 Any town is alive. (yes doctor can save at night but no way town can win a lynch.) GAME OVER MAFIA WIN
2. 2 Mafia alive 2 Any town alive GAME OVER MAFIA WIN
3. 2 Mafia alive 1 Viggy with shot any Town. Game will not be over. and game would continue. ( only possible Way 2 Mafia alive and 2 town alive in a final 4 game would not be over)

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Originally Posted by Mike

Win Cons for town are when All Mafia are dead.

Win Cons for Mafia are when there is a 50/50 of town and mafia and Town has no possible way to win.

For example 4 alive.

1. 2 Mafia alive 1 Doctor is alive 1 Any town is alive. (yes doctor can save at night but no way town can win a lynch.) GAME OVER MAFIA WIN
2. 2 Mafia alive 2 Any town alive GAME OVER MAFIA WIN
3. 2 Mafia alive 1 Viggy with shot any Town. Game will not be over. and game would continue. ( only possible Way 2 Mafia alive and 2 town alive in a final 4 game would not be over)

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If you believe that blink was vigi then you have to believe me and yagami aren't a scumteam. The game would be over. So pick, Yuesford. Which one of us is scum? @Yuesford