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mechanically, the safest play is for u to shoot mart
if he flips town, then i MIGHT look at chanel. we will be in 3v1 and have one ML left
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
For information's sake, what do you think of my reasons to vote CM here? If you have time to just quickly say it that is
his vote got me thinking
I gave him blanket pass for the kill but like the vote earlier this phase was waaaaay tooo questionable
if anything I would expect a newbie to vote me or ceko....not you who has not shot at all nor has done shots as badly as either me or ceko has done
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
his vote got me thinking
I gave him blanket pass for the kill but like the vote earlier this phase was waaaaay tooo questionable
if anything I would expect a newbie to vote me or ceko....not you who has not shot at all nor has done shots as badly as either me or ceko has done
Yeah like, this feels completely off considering a newbie's typical reasoning.
@ ceko, the safest play is never for me to shoot anyone lol, the shot is a guaranteed win. If you weren't spewed town, I would say this is scummy... but you are, so I guess you're just wrong lol.
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also if channel were experienced it would just scream scum more here for that vote
because from experience a town player would know a wolf disregarding their ability to shoot to save it and instead opting to push a person (who they could've justifiably shot) puts them at MUCH more risk imo
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
This is a quite surprising outcome (well, not much anymore since the game didn't end as soon as the lynch happened, so when I saw stealth was waiting on his deadline, I knew...). I thought my case really was good and in the end it was just wrong :(
Have you read the reasons I laid out yesterday? For real, this vote feels plain wrong, even from a newbie's perspective. It's like you are convinced of what should be done without really getting into the game, even though this is a wild game even by forum mafia standards... and this, as a newbie. Like, no, this doesn't work?
I am not voting or shoot ceko here, he's my top townread, ironically enough. I just don't see him being scum despite the spew. See yesterday's posts on his interactions. Besides, if ceko is scum, this is a highly ridiculous game lol, and it will mean we have to actively enforce a punitive meta towards trolly/anti-town actions.
Also, if we look at things from a more mechanical point of view...
The position Martin is adopting here is one that makes him 100 % lose if he's scum: if he doesn't get me lynched, he is one hundred percent certain to lose, because I will just shoot him in 1v1 even if he were to convince me to lynch everyone else.
Scum!ChannelMiner is in a similar situation... and o surprise, he wants me dead?
Also
In the end, this was never addressed by ChannelMiner, and it
could be a newbie scum's cognitive dissonance...
could be. All in all, CM appears to be the least towny of everyone here, considering the only thing that is really going for him is his shot on Oliver.
And if I stretch a bit:
could be TMI, especially considering the natural reaction of a newbie to such play usually isn't "oh it's just dumb town".
-vote ChannelMiner
Thoughts on the matter appreciated
I just want you to shoot, then i will unvote
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
mechanically, the safest play is for u to shoot mart
if he flips town, then i MIGHT look at chanel. we will be in 3v1 and have one ML left
Just like you looked at Mizery? yeah right pal
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@marshmallow is saving his shot for after we lynch another town so he wins the tie so I think if he is town he should just shoot.
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Originally Posted by
ChannelMiner
I just want you to shoot, then i will unvote
Thank you for reinforcing my hypothesis (i.e. that you want to get rid of what makes scum!you 100 % lose).
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Originally Posted by
ChannelMiner
@marshmallow is saving his shot for after we lynch another town so he wins the tie so I think if he is town he should just shoot.
You do understand that town me can win in 1v1 against Mafia because they can't shoot me but I can shoot them, right? So from my point of view, shooting is effectively throwing?
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MM holding the gun turns him into Citizen from the Mod. He wins all ties with mafia.
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If you, who probably plays the mod, do not understand that
then you are scum
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u want to vote out BOTH ppl who shot a maf? mm this is rly, rly bad from u
chanel is ironically my top town, bc mm/mart r insanely voting him
mm see this from my perspective, ive no effin clue if ur maf or not but we've a 1/4 chance of killing scum today and a 1/3 chance of killing scum tomorrow
my reads late-game r always accurate, see third line butterfly, last hope and all stars. all stars i was in f4 situation and skipped bc STEALTH told me to, then won
we lynch chanel today u r 100% scum. im not following u OR mart after MIZlynch
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the only way this is bad is if MM is mafia
which he most certainly isn't
and even if he were he has a town declaring him to be townier than everyone else
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and if channel flips town
and MM is town
then it does not matter because either ceko or I can be chopped and MM just wins the tie
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
u want to vote out BOTH ppl who shot a maf? mm this is rly, rly bad from u
chanel is ironically my top town, bc mm/mart r insanely voting him
mm see this from my perspective, ive no effin clue if ur maf or not but we've a 1/4 chance of killing scum today and a 1/3 chance of killing scum tomorrow
my reads late-game r always accurate, see third line butterfly, last hope and all stars. all stars i was in f4 situation and skipped bc STEALTH told me to, then won
we lynch chanel today u r 100% scum. im not following u OR mart after MIZlynch
:facepalm:
This lynch ain't happening, is it. Because we need all three townies to agree on a vote. What do we do then.
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also ceko
if you're upset by this voting situation as town
maybe you shouldn't have shot lag lmao
he would've been a solid check for Oliver (catching him sooner) & probably me as well
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okay well I rlly gtg for now
cya
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
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Originally Posted by
ChannelMiner
Just like you looked at Mizery? yeah right pal
no,one is lynching me when im town
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Like, if I shoot the wrong person, this actually puts us in danger for no reason. This sucks. Damnit ceko lol.
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ive been punished for being indcisive before so i will NEVER vote chanel here
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I gtg as well. Ceko, have you actually read my big post explaining why Channel actually could well be scum and have simply bussed a scummate? I suggest you do, since you probably haven't. see you
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
ive been punished for being indcisive before so i will NEVER vote chanel here
Then I guess this shall be a stalemate? :orp:
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Like, if I shoot the wrong person, this actually puts us in danger for no reason. This sucks. Damnit ceko lol.
mm, i dont think u get how mart/zeus pulled off great play to destroy town
but chanel completly ruined that
if any1 workd together in this game, it'd be those two
ive called out TWO maf , and know mart spewed u, but u wont SH00T
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
mm, i dont think u get how mart/zeus pulled off great play to destroy town
but chanel completly ruined that
if any1 workd together in this game, it'd be those two
ive called out TWO maf , and know mart spewed u, but u wont SH00T
u not shooting = u SCUM
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I gtg as well. Ceko, have you actually read my big post explaining why Channel actually could well be scum and have simply bussed a scummate? I suggest you do, since you probably haven't. see you
i did, and told u it was weak alredy..
it is BAD bc too opinionated, like lag's wall on stelth last game
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Then I guess this shall be a stalemate? :orp:
not if mart votes u,
then chan + i lynch mart tomorrow
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
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i get chanel's vote on mm is random, befor he literally said he'd vote me/mart bc we both shot town. but that is THE 0nly bad part about chan
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mart has way more scum equity
miz attacked AND voted mart RIGHT befor mart hammered her
ober attacked AND voted mart befor zeus shot him to the sky
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I thought of something I really wanted to say before going off so I logged back in lol
Quote:
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
u not shooting = u SCUM
you do realize that scum!me has martin pocketed and can very well shoot you and win by getting channel lynched, right? It's much safer for scum!me to just do that than to make a fuss right now. The reason I'm making a fuss right now is that I don't know for sure who is scum and don't know how whoever else is town will act VS just winning through lynching and 1v1ing scum in worst case scenario
And tbh, I do not want a stalemate & to block games in a silly way, so I am going to ask
@MartinGG99
what he thinks should be done to make this work without just throwing the game if ceko decides to be the roadblock here. We have time (forever) and I'm off anyway so no emergency. But like, if we don't want to make this a stalemate, is shooting CM the way...? I feel like Ceko will be stubborn lol
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
not if mart votes u,
then chan + i lynch mart tomorrow
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
if Martin votes me out of the blue after saying he isnt ever voting me, he is absolutely scum lol
Oh also, a case isn't "bad because it's opinionated". This sentence is dumb, it doesn't even make any sense: a case is necessarily opinionated, by definition...
anyway im out
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if mm is gona keep playing this bad, we do not need him
@MartinGG99
im sure will agre, OR get endless townpoints from mm for bein afk
im not gettin shot by mm, but prhaps u will convince mm to shoot chanel. and THAT will put mm in F3 w/out a gun anyways
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I thought of something I really wanted to say before going off so I logged back in lol
you do realize that
scum!me has martin pocketed and can very well shoot you and win by getting channel lynched, right? It's much safer for scum!me to just do that than to make a fuss right now. The reason I'm making a fuss right now is that I don't know for sure who is scum and don't know how whoever else is town will act VS just winning through lynching and 1v1ing scum in worst case scenario
And tbh, I do not want a stalemate & to block games in a silly way, so I am going to ask
@
MartinGG99
what he thinks should be done to make this work without just throwing the game if ceko decides to be the roadblock here. We have time (forever) and I'm off anyway so no emergency. But like, if we don't want to make this a stalemate,
is shooting CM the way...? I feel like Ceko will be stubborn lol
i alredy said ur 1000000% scum if shoot me, and may i mention MIZ/CHANEL who BOTH shot maf think ur not supr town
HECKKKK N0. bro what?!?!
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u even said "iwill not shoot ceko today, ceko top townread"
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H0LD ON
if mm is offering to shoot then he no longer confirmd SCUM,
-vote unvote
i still rly want u to shoot mart, but if not we can YEET frickin mart to the moon
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mart u can no longer hammer mm u big DUM
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@ChannelMiner
u RLY havent done much since shooting oliver, AWEPIFPWEFIOWEIOA
how tf r u scum over martin, now
can u PLS tell who is worse between us 3
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only thing is,im worried martin will just frame and revolve discuss around chan
but ther is chance chan could be SCUM,
A SMALL FRICKIN CHANCE, but maybe mm will 1/2??
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like, he will be 1/2 between mizery/chan, aka chan will be SCUM,
but H0W IS CHAN WORSE THAN MART L0L
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here's the fuckin thing, chan shot a maf and mart shot a town + hammered MIZ,
its not possible for chan,to sound scummer than MART. what is chan gonn do, write an essay saying he scum??
frick this suboptimal stuff, like wow chan is SUCH a bad shot rn
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@Marshmallow Marshall
I did a fair decent amount of contemplating. If Channel hadn't been so obvious in being scum, I would've wanted Ceko shot just because I can't believe the sheer amount of trolling I think is happening.
But IMO with presuming Ceko being town it's clear that his shot at the beginning of the game really wasn't in the spirit of a forum mafia game (or, rather, social deception games in general). Or maybe even games in general, if you consider the fact that a person was more or less legally blocked from playing the game.
Ceko wants this game to burn. I don't know exactly what he wants from it, but I believe taking the sub-optimal shot on Ceko (even if he strongly deserves it) lets him destroy the game even more. He already hurts town's chances by blatantly killing a town in a pro-wolf dice roll. He's trying to do it again by getting himself shot and deny the optimal route.
Shoot Channel. If Channel for some reason flips green, I'm always voting ceko. I don't care about voting you in that situation; because if you are wolf then Ceko is definitely town who really did troll on d1 and for that he must die by my salt.
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LET IT BE CLEAR
i want mart shot, not chan or me
goodnight
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-vote unvote
-vote MartinGG99
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
LET IT BE CLEAR
i want mart shot, not chan or me
goodnight
You don't want to be shot? What a strange person you are! :calix:
Seriously though, I am not shooting you, even though you would probably deserve it for your first post in the game xD. And whether you like it or not, Channel is scummier than Martin at the moment. You can't just judge Martin on the results of his actions and ignore the context of them. If I analyzed the game that way, you would have been shot a long time ago, considering you made the worst shot in recent FM history at the very start of this game...
And for what it's worth, in case the game doesn't just end with me shooting Channel, note that if I were scum, I would be completely scratching a free win obtained by shooting you and having Martin vote ChannelMiner.
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Originally Posted by
ChannelMiner
-vote unvote
-vote MartinGG99
This counts as an unvote. To do this, just vote whoever you want to vote, there's no need to unvote first. Our bot understands. Nevertheless, may God have mercy upon your soul. Any last words
@ChannelMiner
?
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
You don't want to be shot? What a strange person you are! :calix:
Seriously though, I am not shooting you, even though you would probably deserve it for your first post in the game xD. And whether you like it or not, Channel is scummier than Martin at the moment. You can't just judge Martin on the results of his actions and ignore the context of them. If I analyzed the game that way, you would have been shot a long time ago, considering you made the worst shot in recent FM history at the very start of this game...
And for what it's worth, in case the game doesn't just end with me shooting Channel, note that if I were scum, I would be completely scratching a free win obtained by shooting you and having Martin vote ChannelMiner.
u said many times u would not shoot me, so we both know that's not going to happen
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like i rly dont get why u wanna shoot chanel
if he flips town, i actually might vote u tomorrow.. however, mart is almost just as responsible for chanel.
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
This is a quite surprising outcome (well, not much anymore since the game didn't end as soon as the lynch happened, so when I saw stealth was waiting on his deadline, I knew...). I thought my case really was good and in the end it was just wrong :(
Have you read the reasons I laid out yesterday?
For real, this vote feels plain wrong, even from a newbie's perspective. It's like you are convinced of what should be done without really getting into the game, even though this is a wild game even by forum mafia standards... and this, as a newbie. Like, no, this doesn't work?
I am not voting or shoot ceko here, he's my top townread, ironically enough. I just don't see him being scum despite the spew. See yesterday's posts on his interactions. Besides, if ceko is scum, this is a highly ridiculous game lol, and it will mean we have to actively enforce a punitive meta towards trolly/anti-town actions.
Also, if we look at things from a more mechanical point of view...
The position Martin is adopting here is one that makes him 100 % lose if he's scum: if he doesn't get me lynched, he is one hundred percent certain to lose, because I will just shoot him in 1v1 even if he were to convince me to lynch everyone else.
Scum!ChannelMiner is in a similar situation... and o surprise, he wants me dead?
Also
In the end,
this was never addressed by ChannelMiner, and it
could be a newbie scum's cognitive dissonance...
could be. All in all, CM appears to be the least towny of everyone here, considering the only thing that is really going for him is his shot on Oliver.
And if I stretch a bit:
could be TMI, especially considering the natural reaction of a newbie to such play usually isn't "oh it's just dumb town".
-vote ChannelMiner
Thoughts on the matter appreciated
like, i RLY shud not be defending chanel's wall for him, but u literally asked me for my opinion
chanel was just mad at u
true, ig...
@ChannelMiner
when MM himself asks u a question, u shud answer
i guess ?????
granted i litrally do not care about the quotes u pulled, if ur saying cm is scum then ur saying cm is worst scum of all time to shoot his teammate who had a gun
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there is some merit to wat u say, but ALL 18 0THER POSTS from chan look good
and ur not even trying to get mor info from his slot?? ur just like "i will shoot him haha"
whatever whatever
I AM DONE P0STING
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Originally Posted by
theoneceko
like, i RLY shud not be defending chanel's wall for him, but u literally asked me for my opinion
chanel was just mad at u
true, ig...
@ChannelMiner
when MM himself asks u a question, u shud answer
i guess ?????
granted i litrally do not care about the quotes u pulled, if ur saying cm is scum then ur saying cm is worst scum of all time to shoot his
teammate who had a gun
You are right... REEEEEEEEE lol. I AM INDECISIVEEEEEEEEEEE
Quote:
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
there is some merit to wat u say, but ALL 18 0THER POSTS from chan look good
and ur not even trying to get mor info from his slot?? ur just like "i will shoot him haha"
whatever whatever
I AM DONE P0STING
I am trying to do exactly this, hence I haven't shot yet...
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
This counts as an unvote. To do this, just vote whoever you want to vote, there's no need to unvote first. Our bot understands. Nevertheless, may God have mercy upon your soul. Any last words
@
ChannelMiner
?
Hey MM, yall are gonna lynch me like you did Mizery? wtf?
I just thought you could end the game sooner by shooting ceko or martin then we lynch the other one.
Why are we lynching people that shot mafia?