S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)

Hammer the hell out of this guy we don’t want scum figuring out lights plan.

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Interesting.. Indeed...

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You still 99% sure loldbite is mafia correct??? Remember we need to hit a mafia with today’s lynch

I am letting my paranoia get the better of me I trust you light

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Interesting.. Indeed...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbxgYlcNxE8

Just want you to be sure of your read on loldbite

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Originally Posted by Mike

You still 99% sure loldbite is mafia correct??? Remember we need to hit a mafia with today’s lynch

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Yes

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

Yes

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Ok then let’s rock and roll everyone it is hammer time

dont fucking hammer you idiots let me
jail paopan (or lynch paopan that also works)
i am never lynching loldebitw. i think mike and paopan are mafia

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Originally Posted by PQRnHack

Well this is boring. I was busy making WINE! I used Potassium Metabisulfite and we made 18 bottles of wine! It's amazing. We dont used the sodium-based ones cuz not as great for wine. Potassium occurs naturally in grapes so is all gucci.

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I love wine
Red wine from Burgundy is 👍🏻

Like, I do not think Mike is this hard headed as town to want to lynch Loldebite for roleblocking the Vig (?!) and me for... jailing the Lookout because he ‘greenchecked’ him. How hard is it to understand he is only confirmed town to HIMSELF, and honestly not even that if Luona is Mafia?

Jail/lynch Paopan/Auwt. These are the only 2 choices on the table at the moment.

we either kill Paopan for telling me I should execute him (what kind of Town MAYOR says that?!), or we kill Auwt for constantly derailing the Paopan train and changing his story every post when questioned.

@jmw if the Loldebite lynch goes through, shoot the hammer voter.

scumbag Mike and Paopan pushing for a Loldebite lynch to avoid lynching Paopan/Auwt? is that whats happening? or is Mike just in his bull-headed red haze still? I think its the former. Paopan’s lynch has INCREDIBLE resistance attached to it. his train keeps getting derailed everyday. paopan is the right lynch people.

Scum has 5 votes atm if Paopan is Mafia. This is actually MyLo if Paopan is Mafia, so Paopan massively scumslipped.

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Scum has 5 votes atm if Paopan is Mafia. This is actually MyLo if Paopan is Mafia, so Paopan massively scumslipped.

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Or well technically not, there’s 8 of us. But it’s very close to MyLo

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Or well technically not, there’s 8 of us. But it’s very close to MyLo

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Still, very weird for Town Mayor to say its MyLo with his voting power.

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

oliverz144/Marshmallow Marshall/Oberon/Mike/Auwt/Jmw/PQR/Luona/Paopan

Somehow, we managed to have a massive PoE in D3. Great. Loldebite/Light Yagami are, IMO, the only ones really not in the PoE. Oliverz/MM are both not in the immediate PoE.

Oberon/Mike/Jmw/PQR/Luona/Paopan/Auwt

Mike's only clearing interaction is that he can't be scum with both PQR and one of Paopan/Jmw. I don't think S!PQR invites more than one fellow scum to the card chat.
Oberon very likely isn't scum with Paopan or PQR, just based on the fact he jailed Paopan, and PQR has tried to invite the people Oberon has jailed.
Paopan can't be scum with Jmw or Oberon, plus he also can't be scum with both PQR and one of Mike/Jmw
Jmw can't be scum with Paopan, and probably isn't scum with PQR on the basis of TMI.
Luona has no real clearing interactions.
Oberon/Auwt just felt like scum theatre so I'm not willing to make an interaction read based on it

Scenarios where scum attacked Frinckles because they had Bus Driver backing them up:

Luona/Jmw/Oberon/Auwt

Luona/Oberon/Auwt/Mike

Luona/Auwt/Mike/PQR

Luona/Paopan/Auwt/PQR

Luona/Jmw/Mike/Oberon

Luona/Jmw/Mike/Auwt

Luona/Mike/Auwt/Paopan

For MM, just replace the "Luona" parts and replace it with MM. it's unlikely that both Jmw and Mike are their scum buddies based on their discussions about him, so you can remove the bottom two. Oliverz also enters the PoE, as they have kinda buddied MM a few times. PQR is also unlikely to be MM's buddy, as there were a few times it almost looked like MM knew PQR would flip town.

So a few alternatives show up:

MM/Oliverz/Jmw/Luona

MM/Oliverz/Auwt/Oberon

MM/Oliverz/Mike/Oberon

MM/Luona/Paopan/Auwt

MM/Luona/Oberon/Auwt

MM/Louna/Auwt/Jmw

+ a few others I can't be bothered to write out now

Based on this, I think the optimal lynch order would be Luona > Auwt (if Luona flips mafia. If not, then MM should be next on the chopping block.) > Oberon > we decide based on where we are at this point.

Interaction wise, Auwt and Luona fit in a LOT of different teams, and have independently not been very townie. Oberon and Mike also fit into quite a bit. Jmw and PQR fit into a few. Paopan actually doesn't fit in a lot at all; like, he probably fits in the least.

-vote Luona

I'm gonna trust the town core of Lolde/Light/Marshmallow/Oliverz. Don't fail me now!

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mm always follows me, not other way around. Remember

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Scum has 5 votes atm if Paopan is Mafia. This is actually MyLo if Paopan is Mafia, so Paopan massively scumslipped.

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If you are unable to see we are about to enter no return point, all good. Keep up the good work my dude.

I won't bother much on this.
Get Gikkle down or lose the game.
This is directed at Jmw, Light, Mike, Luona, PQR, Loldebite
I've lost all faith in everyone else (Paopan excluded).

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Originally Posted by Mike

I think we are screwed any way. Let’s say escort is mafia trust me I see it. I agree but the problem is it does not stop the escort gikkle is still alive and he can RB

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Loldebite is not mafia lol

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Originally Posted by Auwt

I won't bother much on this.
Get Gikkle down or lose the game.
This is directed at Jmw, Light, Mike, Luona, PQR, Loldebite
I've lost all faith in everyone else (Paopan excluded).

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Not so happy now that you’re about to get executed, are we?
or are you just trying to seem town by copying my reaction today?

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Originally Posted by Mike

[vote]gikkle[\vote] looking at his iso the save the escort did for him after voting him. Living 2 days of trains. I mean really? living past a viggy shot. I know escort rb him. I wish escort did not role block. Him his flip would have helped alot.

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I've explained to jmw why i blocked him : i expected oberon to execute, which would mean we already had all the information we'd need for this D3 with LY's flip, if he flipped town we turbo oberon, if he flipped scum we turbo you. In that scenario what i was afraid of is 3 dead townies, because LY does look like town and then whoever jmw targeted could be too, for all i know... Also "lean on X" is definitely not like "i am checking X". Especially not because i do not expect him to trust me, so i would not be surprised if he tried to deceive me : thats literally what i did about him...
But now that oberon is not dead, yes i regret not allowing him to flip Gikkle. We needed a flip...

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

Yes, because Frinckles dying implies scum was confident enough that he wouldn't be protected. This can only be the case if MM or Luona is scum.

Also, sure, that's odd from your perspective, but from my perspective, since I know I'm town, I don't really see why Lolde would do this unless this was some play by him and Jmw, which is unlikely, so lolde is probs town to me.

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I disagree about the first assertion : scum did also target Frinckles N1, did they not ?

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

No I Dont Town Read The Escort At All Or I Have A Heavy Scum Lean On Oberon But If He Does As He Is Told.. I Might Forgive..

@Oberon Jail And Execute The Escort... Take The Escort Out Of The Game... If You Cant Honestly Convince Me That This Happened... Your A Dead Man...

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Did i fuck your mother or something ? Why do you want me dead so bad ? Admittedly, my case isnt getting any better but still...

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

99.7659%

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lol

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Gikkle, Oliver, Loldebite, Oberon, MM, Luona

A total of 6 players, 4/4 bandits are in here. 2 townies are here, but a lost lamb.

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Again... I had no idea jmw would go for gikkle, and i thought oberon would execute LY.

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Btw. If we don't lynch Gikkle. He can become bodyguard tonight.

Also, I think I know what happens on night 1.

CD switches Oliver with someone who was attacked by the bandits. But as a scum survivor. He won't obviously say he was attacked.

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yeah yeah and lag made 5 bandits.
fuck off with your conspiracies

-vote notpaopan

remember the resistance?
and the obvious team auwt+paopan ?

@Light_Yagami You've been tunnelling on me for too long, please consider other options.

Paopan still behaves like he's scum. Auwt's still being lazily passive/aggressive.
I was convinced when i went to bed last night that paopan/auwt were scummates. I'd say i still trust oberon over them both. There is no way oberon/paopan is S/S, and i have a hard time believing a scum Jailor would let paopan live when he was at L-1 before. I guess they could both be town with scum sheeping behind our mayor's "instincts"...
Paopan/Gikkle has to contain at least 1 scum, and i believe paopan is the likelyest

@Loldebite
vote paopan now pls

Bruh 5 guests are watching this...

What have I signed for?
A 2-town 11-bandit setup or what.
People still and again placing my name in scum team.
This is getting out of control.
I'm tempted to give up at this point.

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

-vote notpaopan

remember the resistance?
and the obvious team auwt+paopan ?

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Talking about resistance.
Interesting.
Meanwhile Gikkle has escaped death for the second time.

BUT HE IS NOT DEFENDING GIKKLE.
(just softly ignoring/deflecting elsewhere right?)

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Originally Posted by Oberon

we either kill Paopan for telling me I should execute him (what kind of Town MAYOR says that?!), or we kill Auwt for constantly derailing the Paopan train and changing his story every post when questioned.

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Will you be LVP or MVP at the end of the game.
Let's soon find out.

Fact #1

Gikkle and Oliver are both scum.

Fact #2

Target picking this game is absolutely delusional.

Fact #3

People pushing Paopan and or me are scum and/or delusional and wrong.

Fact #4

According to some pro-players or at least not delusional players, this might be the last day Town has a chance (in case we no-lynch once again).

Fact #5

Oberon might be town, if so, he should be ashamed.

Fact #6

PQR should be following either Paopan or I.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

What have I signed for?
A 2-town 11-bandit setup or what.
People still and again placing my name in scum team.
This is getting out of control.
I'm tempted to give up at this point.

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You are only confirmed if i blocked scum's kill n1, so why didnt you vote PQR?

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Originally Posted by Auwt

What have I signed for?
A 2-town 11-bandit setup or what.
People still and again placing my name in scum team.
This is getting out of control.
I'm tempted to give up at this point.

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forgive us great towny, that we dont see your great towniness.
how about proofing that your town?

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Talking about resistance.
Interesting.
Meanwhile Gikkle has escaped death for the second time.

BUT HE IS NOT DEFENDING GIKKLE.
(just softly ignoring/deflecting elsewhere right?)

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i see more scum in paopan than in gikkle

Also gikkle succesfully pocketed me :)

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Originally Posted by Auwt

Fact #1

Gikkle and Oliver are both scum.

Fact #2

Target picking this game is absolutely delusional.

Fact #3

People pushing Paopan and or me are scum and/or delusional and wrong.

Fact #4

According to some pro-players or at least not delusional players, this might be the last day Town has a chance (in case we no-lynch once again).

Fact #5

Oberon might be town, if so, he should be ashamed.

Fact #6

PQR should be following either Paopan or I.

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you have a really good opinion about yourself, eh?
how does it feel when your nose touches the sky?

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

@Loldebite
vote paopan now pls

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I'll be active all day, so i wont rush things.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

I'll be active all day, so i wont rush things.

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understandable. Towny answer.

@Gikkle
paopan is in your poe.
luona wont get 7 votes.

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

You are only confirmed if i blocked scum's kill n1, so why didnt you vote PQR?

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If you trust so much in your PQR's roleblock then that means I'm confirmed town to you.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

If you trust so much in your PQR's roleblock then that means I'm confirmed town to you.

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Yes. I dont. I think i've been useless and they've targeted Frinckles twice in a row.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

If you trust so much in your PQR's roleblock then that means I'm confirmed town to you.

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But with current fact, I don't seem to be confirmed town to you.

Let A be "you trust your roleblock"
Let B be "I'm confirmed town to you"

A implies B

Let's suppose then I am not confirmed town to your pov, which is the case, right?
That means the implication is wrong.

So does that mean you are not trusting your roleblock enough?
Or are you forging your own mind not to confirm me as town?

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Originally Posted by Loldebite

Yes. I dont. I think i've been useless and they've targeted Frinckles twice in a row.

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If you don't trust your roleblock had a real effect, why are you even asking others the reason we are not voting PQR.
If you don't trust your roleblock had a real effect, why did you vote him then?

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Originally Posted by Gikkle

If I'm right about Loldebite/Light Yagami/MM/Oliverz/Mike, I think we can win this game... I mean I have my doubts about Lolde/MM/Oliverz but I feel like they aren't an immediate priority.

Oberon/Jmw/PQR/Luona/Paopan/Auwt

2/3rds of these are the scum. I invite people to, even if they disagree with what I am saying, pick the two town out of here. Even if you disagree that the scum are all limited in this pool. Work with me here, please.

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Myself and PQR, but this is an awful pool and idk why you're having doubts on people but saying scum have to be outside of those players?
MM and Oliverz should not be outside this pool, and if you think I'm scum then this pool is automatically bust unless you think the team is Vigi / Jailor / Veteran / Coach Driver lol.

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Originally Posted by jmw

Myself and PQR, but this is an awful pool and idk why you're having doubts on people but saying scum have to be outside of those players?
MM and Oliverz should not be outside this pool, and if you think I'm scum then this pool is automatically bust unless you think the team is Vigi / Jailor / Veteran / Coach Driver lol.

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Words are strong, votes are stronger.

What about you being the deepwolf in case porn was mafia-blocked?

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Originally Posted by NotPaopan

Gikkle, Oliver, Loldebite, Oberon, MM, Luona

A total of 6 players, 4/4 bandits are in here. 2 townies are here, but a lost lamb.

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I don't really think all 4 bandits are necessarily in this pool either, but it's a better one than Gikkle's pool at least.

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Originally Posted by Auwt

If you don't trust your roleblock had a real effect, why are you even asking others the reason we are not voting PQR.
If you don't trust your roleblock had a real effect, why did you vote him then?

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Because i did trust it back then

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Originally Posted by oliverz144

What about you being the deepwolf in case porn was mafia-blocked?

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If I understand correctly, in your scenario, I am scum with Loldebite and PQR is town right?