I do like that Pringles has stopped lurking and started playing btw
Oh I understand what you mean now. Lol
Yeah well the last two political threads felt like circlejerks as opposed to discussion/debate. Plus as we learned last time I'm pretty politically neutral.
June 23rd, 2020, 11:24 AM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
But Race, Culture, Patriotism, Foreign Policy -- those are things I like to talk about.
June 23rd, 2020, 11:26 AM
Ganelon
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
The reason I made this thread was because of a study I read. I for the longest time didn’t understand my political views, because according to psychology I have the temperament of a liberal, but I’m right leaning so it made no sense to me lol. And then it turns out that apparently liberal is meant as a blanket term that lumps both economic and social (I.e. left wing) liberals.
June 23rd, 2020, 11:27 AM
Ganelon
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
I guess Eastern Europe will turn even the staunchest socialist into a right winger
June 23rd, 2020, 11:30 AM
rumox
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
In Australia the Liberal party is the conservative party.
June 23rd, 2020, 11:34 AM
naz
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Oh I understand what you mean now. Lol
Yeah well the last two political threads felt like circlejerks as opposed to discussion/debate. Plus as we learned last time I'm pretty politically neutral.
I thought there was a serious discussion board on here too ooopppppssieeeee. I still stand by american football being dumb tho😛
borders are dumb too whats the point of being patriotic ;3
June 23rd, 2020, 11:38 AM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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Originally Posted by naz
I thought there was a serious discussion board on here too ooopppppssieeeee. I still stand by american football being dumb tho😛
borders are dumb too whats the point of being patriotic ;3
Borders are awesome. And you know we like NBA around here.
June 23rd, 2020, 11:48 AM
naz
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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Originally Posted by Frinckles
Borders are awesome. And you know we like NBA around here.
only awesome borders were the bookstores RIP
pick one: hakeem olajuwon or yao ming
June 23rd, 2020, 11:57 AM
DJarJar
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by naz
only awesome borders were the bookstores RIP
pick one: hakeem olajuwon or yao ming
barnes n noble >> borders
June 23rd, 2020, 12:05 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by naz
only awesome borders were the bookstores RIP
pick one: hakeem olajuwon or yao ming
Non-question. Hakeem.
June 23rd, 2020, 12:19 PM
secondpassing
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by naz
I thought there was a serious discussion board on here too ooopppppssieeeee. I still stand by american football being dumb tho😛
borders are dumb too whats the point of being patriotic ;3
Yeah borders are dumb, we're all people
June 23rd, 2020, 12:38 PM
secondpassing
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
And in the same vein, what else is tangible? Black communities living impoverished paying taxes to public schools who get less than white schools is not an issue of white privilege or Systemic Racism. It is an issue of economics. It is an issue of black children growing up without a father. Hell, one of the best platforms that the BLM movement has is the desire to help children in these situations grow up with communal guidance. To find an alternative to the nuclear family because it has become more and more uncommon. This is another complicated issue, but people do not talk about it. People don't feel warrant or authority to talk about it. A child's failures are left up to this wistless idea that they were destined to fail. That is wrong, and its what we're teaching them.
Systemic racism is indeed real, but the poor outcomes of a black person growing up are less because of systemic racism and more because of culture, upbringing, victimization, and other stuff like it. The Black Lives Matter movement ended quite a few things in my state, a neighboring city's governor stepped down, our police chief stepped down, they defunded school police in troubled districts, so the movement has been successful(?) in getting stuff done; however, this does not solve the moral gap people lack.
America, including black people, are left with a moral gap after the rejection of organized religion. I'm not saying those religions were "good", but they did have a societal function. Those regions (mainly Christianity) kept families together, got fathers to work for the welfare of the family, assigned roles to each member, and promoted the educating of the children by parents.
People are free to reject religion, it's their choice, but people still need families, communities, and a sense of belonging.
June 23rd, 2020, 12:52 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by secondpassing
Systemic racism is indeed real, but the poor outcomes of a black person growing up are less because of systemic racism and more because of culture, upbringing, victimization, and other stuff like it. The Black Lives Matter movement ended quite a few things in my state, a neighboring city's governor stepped down, our police chief stepped down, they defunded school police in troubled districts, so the movement has been successful(?) in getting stuff done; however, this does not solve the moral gap people lack.
America, including black people, are left with a moral gap after the rejection of organized religion. I'm not saying those religions were "good", but they did have a societal function. Those regions (mainly Christianity) kept families together, got fathers to work for the welfare of the family, assigned roles to each member, and promoted the educating of the children by parents.
People are free to reject religion, it's their choice, but people still need families, communities, and a sense of belonging.
This is biased conjecture. Morality does not depend on religion.
June 23rd, 2020, 01:22 PM
secondpassing
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
This is biased conjecture.Morality does not depend on religion.
Not entirely no, but religion can and did give people morals to live by. But it still stands that rejection of religion is one of the reasons why people get divorced more often. You don't think people need to be told to stop getting divorced as often? Who will tell people that?
June 23rd, 2020, 01:25 PM
secondpassing
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
I'm not saying we should all convert to be Mormons, but if we can get black fathers to take care of their kids, the number of black kids leaving school, joining gangs, killing other black kids, going to jail, and being poor will be lower.
June 23rd, 2020, 01:25 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by secondpassing
Systemic racism is indeed real, but the poor outcomes of a black person growing up are less because of systemic racism and more because of culture, upbringing, victimization, and other stuff like it. The Black Lives Matter movement ended quite a few things in my state, a neighboring city's governor stepped down, our police chief stepped down, they defunded school police in troubled districts, so the movement has been successful(?) in getting stuff done; however, this does not solve the moral gap people lack.
America, including black people, are left with a moral gap after the rejection of organized religion. I'm not saying those religions were "good", but they did have a societal function. Those regions (mainly Christianity) kept families together, got fathers to work for the welfare of the family, assigned roles to each member, and promoted the educating of the children by parents.
People are free to reject religion, it's their choice, but people still need families, communities, and a sense of belonging.
I'm not going to re-argue my point on why the legitimacy of Systemic Racism is questionable at best. Besides, you seemed to have gotten some of the point by actually posting problems and even offering a solution.
June 23rd, 2020, 01:32 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by secondpassing
Not entirely no, but religion can and did give people morals to live by. But it still stands that rejection of religion is one of the reasons why people get divorced more often. You don't think people need to be told to stop getting divorced as often? Who will tell people that?
Religion has its own moral code. That moral code does not apply to everyone. So you can say "religion can and did give people morals to live by" but all it's doing is enforcing its own moral code.
Why is divorce an immoral act? You know what's immoral? A religious leader telling an abused wife to give her husband another chance and stay in the marriage to avoid a divorce. You know what else is immoral? Someone breaking their marital vows and betraying their spouse's trust by going behind their spouses back to cheat on them for years. Wanna know another one? Staying in a loveless marriage because marriage is "moral".
"Marriage" is not a moral act. It is neither moral nor immoral. Same with divorce. Unless you're religious, and your belief is that marriage is ordained of god, and that divorce is a sin.
June 23rd, 2020, 01:39 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by secondpassing
I'm not saying we should all convert to be Mormons, but if we can get black fathers to take care of their kids, the number of black kids leaving school, joining gangs, killing other black kids, going to jail, and being poor will be lower.
Without getting too much into this topic, in 2015 77% of black babies were born to a single mom
Religion has its own moral code. That moral code does not apply to everyone. So you can say "religion can and did give people morals to live by" but all it's doing is enforcing its own moral code.
Why is divorce an immoral act? You know what's immoral? A religious leader telling an abused wife to give her husband another chance and stay in the marriage to avoid a divorce. You know what else is immoral? Someone breaking their marital vows and betraying their spouse's trust by going behind their spouses back to cheat on them for years. Wanna know another one? Staying in a loveless marriage because marriage is "moral".
"Marriage" is not a moral act. It is neither moral nor immoral. Same with divorce. Unless you're religious, and your belief is that marriage is ordained of god, and that divorce is a sin.
I'm not saying religion hasn't commanded people to make horrible decisions based on a bad moral code. It has, I agree. My point is still valid though. I'll just repost it.
"You don't think people need to be told to stop getting divorced as often? Who will tell people that?"
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Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Without getting too much into this topic, in 2015 77% of black babies were born to a single mom
Well, perhaps I was a bit careless with my wording. It definitely has to do with divorce rates though, but the problem of non-equal black outcomes also stems from black children growing up without both of their parents. One could chalk that up to divorce (like I did) or talk about lack of education on contraception or talk about black culture and it's influence on young males unwilling to pay child support or being sexually promiscuous or violent crimes creating widows and widowers, or victimization taking it's toll on the outlook of young males so they feel they should just do whatever.
June 23rd, 2020, 02:41 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by secondpassing
I'm not saying religion hasn't commanded people to make horrible decisions based on a bad moral code. It has, I agree. My point is still valid though. I'll just repost it. "You don't think people need to be told to stop getting divorced as often? Who will tell people that?"
No, I don't think people need to be told to stop getting divorced. They also don't need to be told to get married. I just made a big argument about how marriage and divorce are neither moral nor immoral.
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Originally Posted by secondpassing
Well, perhaps I was a bit careless with my wording. It definitely has to do with divorce rates though, but the problem of non-equal black outcomes also stems from black children growing up without both of their parents. One could chalk that up to divorce (like I did) or talk about lack of education on contraception or talk about black culture and it's influence on young males unwilling to pay child support or being sexually promiscuous or violent crimes creating widows and widowers, or victimization taking it's toll on the outlook of young males so they feel they should just do whatever.
If 77% of black babies are born to unmarried women, how does divorce have anything to do with it? The statistic isn't "77% of black babies' parents divorce". They are born to mothers who aren't even married in the first place. Divorce has nothing to do with whether a child has a father figure in their life or not. Do you have a source that you can use to argue that somehow this is a problem due to divorce? Or are you just "chalking it up to divorce" based off of nothing?
June 23rd, 2020, 02:50 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by secondpassing
Well, perhaps I was a bit careless with my wording. It definitely has to do with divorce rates though, but the problem of non-equal black outcomes also stems from black children growing up without both of their parents. One could chalk that up to divorce (like I did) or talk about lack of education on contraception or talk about black culture and it's influence on young males unwilling to pay child support or being sexually promiscuous or violent crimes creating widows and widowers, or victimization taking it's toll on the outlook of young males so they feel they should just do whatever.
I agree with your conclusions for the most part, but the way you've reached it is backwards. Fatherhood is simply a void in many black communities around the country and as Banana pointed out, a large number of black couples are not getting married at all. To the point where I would argue whether or not divorce is even as large a factor as your attributing.
June 23rd, 2020, 02:50 PM
secondpassing
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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Originally Posted by BananaCucho
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No, I don't think people need to be told to stop getting divorced. They also don't need to be told to get married.
If 77% of black babies are born to unmarried women, how does divorce have anything to do with it? The statistic isn't "77% of black babies' parents divorce". They are born to mothers who aren't even married in the first place. Divorce has nothing to do with whether a child has a father figure in their life or not. Do you have a source that you can use to argue that somehow this is a problem due to divorce? Or are you just "chalking it up to divorce" based off of nothing?
Why are we arguing over my poor word choice? Just focus on the problem. The problem is black kids don't have a father and/or a mother.
I'll leave out divorce. The black community could use some strengthening of the family bond.
June 23rd, 2020, 02:54 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by secondpassing
Why are we arguing semantics? Just focus on the problem. The problem is black kids don't have a father and/or a mother.
I'll leave out divorce. The black community could use some strengthening of the family bond.
Yeah like I said I am not diving too deeply into this topic right now. Mostly because I am not very well educated on it and I don't want to make statements that I can't back up with actual evidence.
But this was never a semantics argument lol. "America, including black people, are left with a moral gap after the rejection of organized religion." was never a semantics argument.
June 23rd, 2020, 02:58 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
You guys can debate this topic for a bit, I'll step aside.
I had to interject at the religion stuff though, which is something that I am well versed in and feel comfortable holding my own in an argument lol
June 23rd, 2020, 03:00 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
You guys can debate this topic for a bit, I'll step aside.
I had to interject at the religion stuff though, which is something that I am well versed in and feel comfortable holding my own in an argument lol
I feel like I can only say:
"but is that trend you're talking about due to current black people being black or is it perhaps because their ancestors were slaves; getting emancipated with no money, education, and being forced to live in the worst communities; laws setup to put them in prison so they could continue to be used as slave labor.. etc..."
so many times.
Brown vs. Board of education was only in 1954. Even if you were to believe the system was 100% equal for everyone from that point onwards, you can't really argue that blacks should have regressed to the mean by now. It's been only a few generations...
I feel like I can only say:
"but is that trend you're talking about due to current black people being black or is it perhaps because their ancestors were slaves; getting emancipated with no money, education, and being forced to live in the worst communities; laws setup to put them in prison so they could continue to be used as slave labor.. etc..."
so many times.
Brown vs. Board of education was only in 1954. Even if you were to believe the system was 100% equal for everyone from that point onwards, you can't really argue that blacks should have regressed to the mean by now. It's been only a few generations...
Well said. Cheerio mate
June 23rd, 2020, 03:21 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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This one seems to be taken out of context. It clearly says "EMANCIPATION" on the statue. For a time where slavery was indoctrinated into American tradition, Abraham Lincoln could be seen as a symbol of social progressiveness for thatera. That African-American male in that statue is Archer Alexander, a runaway slave that hid in the Northern states with the help of another abolitionist until the the 13th Amendment was ratified. That abolitionist (William Greenfield Eliot) included Alexander into the statue to reflect Abraham Lincoln's Emancipation of slaves. It might look a bit wrong, but this statue isn't anywhere close in terms of racism compared to other statues.
June 23rd, 2020, 03:42 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by aamirus
I feel like I can only say:
"but is that trend you're talking about due to current black people being black or is it perhaps because their ancestors were slaves; getting emancipated with no money, education, and being forced to live in the worst communities; laws setup to put them in prison so they could continue to be used as slave labor.. etc..."
so many times.
Brown vs. Board of education was only in 1954. Even if you were to believe the system was 100% equal for everyone from that point onwards, you can't really argue that blacks should have regressed to the mean by now. It's been only a few generations...
I don’t know what the context of this is.
June 23rd, 2020, 03:43 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Well said. Cheerio mate
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June 23rd, 2020, 08:49 PM
rumox
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
A child in a single parent household is a lot more susceptible to a life of poverty or general lower quality life. I think the evidence of this is overwhelming. When it comes to the black community, the single parent household number is incredibly high compared to others. Is this the defining reason for low socioeconomic standing for the black community? Debatable. There is definitely other factors to consider but I think this angle is important simply because you can look at single parent households across all races and see the trend of low socioeconomic standing.
June 23rd, 2020, 09:05 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
If there's a statue of Robert E. Lee somewhere in a public space for "commemorating a great historical man who is a model for society", which there very probably is, off with its head, definetly. That stuff belongs in a museum to preserve history without glorifying persons directly associated and known mostly for slavery and for its defense. However...
That is a celebration of Lincoln's abolition of slavery... it depicts a reality: slaves who were under their masters, and then Lincoln giving them freedom (yes, that is a very pompous and propangandist sentence, but it's still exactly what this statue represents). It's not glorifying slavery, it's glorifying its ABOLITION, and that is definetly something worth glorifying. It may not have been perfect, but it was a pretty damn good improvement.
Spoiler : Declaration of independence of Mississippi :
Mississippi
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.
In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin. That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.
The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.
The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.
The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.
It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.
It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.
It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.
It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.
It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.
It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.
Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England.
Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it.
Whoever supports that cause cannot be anything but racist, or at least completely uncaring about people being literally ENSLAVED, treated as PROPERTIES only because of their origins, which isn't exactly better.
June 23rd, 2020, 10:37 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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Originally Posted by rumox
A child in a single parent household is a lot more susceptible to a life of poverty or general lower quality life. I think the evidence of this is overwhelming. When it comes to the black community, the single parent household number is incredibly high compared to others. Is this the defining reason for low socioeconomic standing for the black community? Debatable. There is definitely other factors to consider but I think this angle is important simply because you can look at single parent households across all races and see the trend of low socioeconomic standing.
What other factors did you have in mind?
June 23rd, 2020, 10:39 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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What other factors did you have in mind?
also, not a trap Rumox. Just genuinely wanted to know your thoughts. <3
June 23rd, 2020, 10:49 PM
rumox
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Besides single parent households... culture, education and health are the next important topics to address. I'm probably missing something else important but these are the ones that jump to mind right now. Also this isn't just in regards to the black community, this is for everyone in low socioeconomic standings. All these topics are universal.
June 23rd, 2020, 10:58 PM
rumox
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
I'd also clarify that I believe a loooot of issues that plague communities are intertwined. Just a big ol web of fuck.
June 23rd, 2020, 11:19 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
mmmm web of fuck
June 23rd, 2020, 11:23 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Ah I'm out of gas tonight, just lurking btw
June 23rd, 2020, 11:28 PM
BananaCucho
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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Ah I'm out of gas tonight, just lurking btw
Wanna join my fuck web?
June 23rd, 2020, 11:31 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
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Something unforgettable
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맘이 흘러가는 대로 좋아
수평선 위를 나는 거야
Umpah umpah umpah umpah 호흡을 맞추고
Umpah umpah umpah umpah 두 눈을 맞추고
Umpah umpah umpah umpah
너와 나 좋아 something unforgettable
Let the beat drop
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June 23rd, 2020, 11:32 PM
Frinckles
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
This is also my stance on economic and religious issues,
June 23rd, 2020, 11:44 PM
deathworlds
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
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This sounds like a Ram Ranch lyric
June 23rd, 2020, 11:51 PM
secondpassing
Re: Right-wing liberalism vs Conservvatism
The problem with fighting for education reform is that one would need to fight against people's active choices. School funding in a large part is from local taxes on the surrounding property. Which makes schools that have poor surrounding neighborhoods generally worse, and around rich neighborhoods good. People play a large part in segregation and move to nicer neighborhoods. As history would have it, rich people move to rich suburbs and are often majority white. Since moving is often a choice, letting good schools be in good neighborhoods does promote that those who want to succeed be placed in an environment that would promoted it.
For example, schools in the Bay Area are known to be exceptional. The parents who moved into there are often Yellow and Brown, and their kids did exceedingly well in school. My class had like 3? Black kids, the last class that graduated had 0. The outcomes of having good schools is it is a huge bonus to the entire economy. The Bay Area has a lot of startups.
So what could be the solution? We can't really prevent people from choosing what house to buy or what neighbors to have, but we could de-localize how property tax is distributed. That, however, causes another whole slew of problems. Emergency services, parks, and sometimes roads are funded locally. De-localizing property tax could require a greater need for government workers, as one would now need more civil engineers and accountants and what-not to redistribute the money to vital services.
Another option would be to increase investment in low-income housing. Aside from the obvious problem of needing money, it also creates wrong incentives (externalities). Companies that build low-income housing are incentivized to use cheaper materials, and the people that live in them may not feel the same economic pressure that the people around them have to pay for rent. So sometimes they become addicted to drugs.
What do you guys think about the education problem?