S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game

okay yeah we definitely are not going for MM today then. I'd love to have someone to chat with over the night phase

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Originally Posted by jmw

wait actually

yooo let's go

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yes, I claim town architect
gtg for food though, will be back in an hour

Welcome back Jelly. Anything you can say about townreads?



also
@Frinckles what are your reads right now? I recall you had a few tonereads but nothing solid yet. Has that improved?

Is there any HPM player vouching for ewian?

His reads list thing looks quite confused and doesn't really to commit to much.

I'm also not experienced at reading (seemingly) lost players.

@Aporia if you're here where do you want to vote today? I'm reading back right now but cannot recall your stances on scum off the top of my head

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Originally Posted by jmw

Welcome back Jelly. Anything you can say about townreads?



also
@Frinckles what are your reads right now? I recall you had a few tonereads but nothing solid yet. Has that improved?

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I like Frinckles so far. Doesn't necessarily mean a town read yet though. And I'll put Ashoka in the town bucket too. That's a bold move and would probably be bad for scum to make. They've been mostly under the radar afaik (might have missed their posts) and to just hardclaim in? Scum probably wouldn't do that.

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Originally Posted by Ashoka Tano

can you not, I just gave marshmellow and jmw a private night chat

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smh fine

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Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Is there any HPM player vouching for ewian?

His reads list thing looks quite confused and doesn't really to commit to much.

I'm also not experienced at reading (seemingly) lost players.

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Yeah Ewian's town

TheClowns (2 [L-6]):
ewianking, MartinGG99
Bakura1 (2 [L-6]):
deathworlds, Tauntshaman
Marshmallow Marshall (2 [L-6]):
oliverz144, Bakura1
Frinckles (1 [L-7]):
Mreevee
Tauntshaman (1 [L-7]):
Marshmallow Marshall
ewianking (1 [L-7]):
Frinckles
deathworlds (1 [L-7]):
Aporia

Yooooooo

I just got more rings over my avatar and 1 rep power

fear me

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Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Is there any HPM player vouching for ewian?

His reads list thing looks quite confused and doesn't really to commit to much.

I'm also not experienced at reading (seemingly) lost players.

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I can't vouch but I haven't seen anything that I'd consider concerning with his meta in mind. I'll take a look at him in depth in a sec if you'd like

Fish the fishiest clown here

Yeah it has only been Cj so far until now

Imo nobody from HPM has really rubbed me the wrong way yet

but that could also be because we're all standing 6 feet apart due to social distancing

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Originally Posted by Bakura1

smh fine


Yeah Ewian's town

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Any particular reason/post?

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Originally Posted by Bakura1

@Tauntshaman what are you on about

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Like I said, voting lurkers. There's around 4 or 5 people who's inactive when I decided to vote and I chose the most active one among them, which is you.

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Originally Posted by Bakura1

smh fine


Yeah Ewian's town

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What do you make of Ewian not having a read on Frinckles? The vote by frinckles on Ewian had been there for about 2 hours, and ewian interacted with Frinkles just before making the reads list.

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Originally Posted by Bakura1

Imo nobody from HPM has really rubbed me the wrong way yet

but that could also be because we're all standing 6 feet apart due to social distancing

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Nah they changed it to 5 feet now
But still dont sneeze on me

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Originally Posted by deathworlds

Hmm. I'd like to hear more from
Aporia
oliverz144
Tauntshaman
TheClowns
10000JellyDoughnuts
and
Ashoka Tano.
They all have around 5ish posts.

What stands out to me is tauntshaman's made three posts, and all three of them revolve around "leads"

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Of course I'd be asking for leads, why, you want us to random vote with 80% chance of getting a Town out?

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...f7a657d0d62-lq

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Originally Posted by jmw

Welcome back Jelly. Anything you can say about townreads?



also
@Frinckles what are your reads right now? I recall you had a few tonereads but nothing solid yet. Has that improved?

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I've got about 3 or 4 players I'm reading as town which is nice because I felt like the first half of the day sucked. You, Bakura and Martin are my main townreads, not in that order and for different reasons. But Drizzt is also up there. If you need an elaboration on any of that let me know.

As for scumreads, I feel like jelly/apor are still getting into gear so I'm not sure if I want to vote there, might be D2 players like me.

Anyone else, I'm fine with voting for the most part. Scum!DW can get out of control really quickly but I can usually catch it.

I originally thought Jelly was pillow pushing DW but I'm gonna go re-read that bit about possible TMI and see. That's usually the best way to catch scum!dw so he doesn't bury it later.

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Originally Posted by 10000JellyDoughnuts

Any particular reason/post?

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Not that I can remember
just general town meta

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Originally Posted by MartinGG99

What do you make of Ewian not having a read on Frinckles? The vote by frinckles on Ewian had been there for about 2 hours, and ewian interacted with Frinkles just before making the reads list.

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I honestly don't remember any of that but he's been in his town meta

something came up, can't be on for eod, all apologies

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Originally Posted by Ashoka Tano

something came up, can't be on for eod, all apologies

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may the force be with you

Alright made it back, I had an assignment deadline so I was trying to speed through it hence I didn’t know if I was going to make it to end of day but I’m here anyways reading up

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Originally Posted by Bakura1

Not that I can remember
just general town meta


I honestly don't remember any of that but he's been in his town meta

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I don't know if he was dodging interactions with me or just afk but he quoted the vc with my vote on him and just blanked about my slot on the previous page. So, yeah.

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Originally Posted by ewianking

Alright made it back, I had an assignment deadline so I was trying to speed through it hence I didn’t know if I was going to make it to end of day but I’m here anyways reading up

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Word.

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Anyone else, I'm fine with voting for the most part. Scum!DW can get out of control really quickly but I can usually catch it.

I originally thought Jelly was pillow pushing DW but I'm gonna go re-read that bit about possible TMI and see. That's usually the best way to catch scum!dw so he doesn't bury it later.

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I'm so glad you think so highly of me :shy:

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Originally Posted by Bakura1

Why though

I'm personally liking the case on MM. I haven't seen anyone particularly contest it, but nobody else seems to be taking a stand with him either, which seems odd. In fact, nobody's really mentioned it at all. Imo scum have more incentive to just sit back at this stage of the game. I doubt scum puts this much time to compile previous games too. So rn I'd say my only particularly solid reads are T!Martin and S!MM

-vote MarshmallowMarshall

Hm
Idk why but my tone feels off and I can't put my finger on it
I guess I just usually have more pizazz
I should fix that soon

btw I always sign off at about 7:50 pm est


True, but I feel like I've been pretty good with that lately. I don't think I've done so in any recent games.
And last game I was just straight-up ignored.
Though I think I do need to improve on my part too. I've realized since last game that it is a give-and-take relationship. I should have been more open to a Crystal lynch, and I also realize in hindsight that a large part of me saw T!Me in his D1. But I forgot that T!Me = S!Everyone else, which makes me a little depressed, but such is life I guess.

Whew, that felt good to finally get out.

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Can you talk more specifically about why you like a MM lynch?

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Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Is there any HPM player vouching for ewian?

His reads list thing looks quite confused and doesn't really to commit to much.

I'm also not experienced at reading (seemingly) lost players.

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My read on this slot is "meh". You need a couple of days' content to read them accurately unless there are some red flags (and there are currently none.)

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Originally Posted by deathworlds

I'm so glad you think so highly of me :shy:

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You have blinkskater-tier powerwolfing, don't be shy.

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

3 points:

- It has nothing to do with the "leads" part, for the reasons you stated yourself (especially considering he comes from the SC2 arcade)
- It's about his vote on Bakura for "lurking" when he very clearly hasn't done that at all: it feels like he's lost newbie scum trying to find something to accuse people on (it's not like he could genuinely think Bakura was lurking out of all people, especially considering how there literally were zero-posters at that point)
- It has the advantage of giving potential associative information on Deathworlds, which I very much like, because he's a bit of a question mark to me despite his posts (his setup analysis is NAI)

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Interesting point but do we actually know how long they been playing mafia? Seems a bit assumptionistic if I might add

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

What the heck I'm voting you, notice me senpei.

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I genuinely blanked out on you soz soz

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Originally Posted by Bakura1

Dang though not having a post cooldown is like if all snakes were flying snakes

it's just a whole 'nother experience

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Wait there’s no post cooldown?

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Originally Posted by jmw

wait actually

yooo let's go

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Proof that tano role is real

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

I don't know if he was dodging interactions with me or just afk but he quoted the vc with my vote on him and just blanked about my slot on the previous page. So, yeah.

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I copy pasted the vc for eevee but I didn’t look at it still mb

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Originally Posted by Aporia

Can you talk more specifically about why you like a MM lynch?

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I think I basically said everything I thought about the MM lynch, but I'm not interested in that anymore for obvious reasons.

Not sure who I wanna vote rn

It is a legitimate hassle to multiquote on mobile :skull:
Anyways figured this is the easiest way to ask @Frinckles what changed in your shift of perspective from (pst time) 12:43 to 12:57 pm of your iso

Also some minor notes through quick glances is that he did bandwagon a little tho that was rvs so idk how much to trust that

At 2:15 pm you also stated that there were some other things about me, what would those be besides tone and engagement as your reasonings?

Imo tho this slot is leaning town for me after actually reading instead of sneak peeking

blegh
gtg soon but I don't have anyone I'm particularly interested in voting

blitz wagon is imminent lol

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Originally Posted by jmw

@Aporia if you're here where do you want to vote today? I'm reading back right now but cannot recall your stances on scum off the top of my head

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My vote's currently on deathworld. Just a bunch of small stuff (overrating number of neuts in setup spec, voting bakura, lazy scum vibe). Also this thing:

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Nah I'm talking about how Aporia didn't respond to it at all but 4-5 others did.

Based off what I see Apor seems like the player to know it was rvs and didn't care, I also don't think scum!apor needs teammates to defend them. Just a disproportionate response.

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... was also a weird nothingburger to be fixated on for most of the game? Or at least, I don't really understand the logic behind their co So they're the one slot that I have a 'real' read as scum.

Re: other possible lynches - I found Martin's argument re: MM compelling but I don't think there's enough to lynch the slot yet. Bakura is lean town for me for reasons explained earlier. I don't have a problem with anything Taunt's said. So apart from deathworld, I don't see another viable wagon at this point.

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Originally Posted by Tauntshaman

Of course I'd be asking for leads, why, you want us to random vote with 80% chance of getting a Town out?

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...f7a657d0d62-lq

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Don’t we need to vote out for info anyways? Last time we didn’t vote out anyone for a couple days cuz of ties and stuff scum won on hypixel. Plus it seems we do have some sort of scents on the ground to track so

I'll vote taunt because I don't like him

-vote TauntShaman

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Originally Posted by Aporia

My read on this slot is "meh". You need a couple of days' content to read them accurately unless there are some red flags (and there are currently none.)

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I concur with the above

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Originally Posted by Bakura1

I think I basically said everything I thought about the MM lynch, but I'm not interested in that anymore for obvious reasons.

Not sure who I wanna vote rn

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It's actually not obvious to me what's motivating this change in heart. ELI5 please. Please pretend I'm very dense.

All this talk about voting and I cant even find the vc
Kinda sus

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Originally Posted by ewianking

It is a legitimate hassle to multiquote on mobile :skull:
Anyways figured this is the easiest way to ask @Frinckles what changed in your shift of perspective from (pst time) 12:43 to 12:57 pm of your iso

Also some minor notes through quick glances is that he did bandwagon a little tho that was rvs so idk how much to trust that

At 2:15 pm you also stated that there were some other things about me, what would those be besides tone and engagement as your reasonings?

Imo tho this slot is leaning town for me after actually reading instead of sneak peeking

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Eh, just worldbuilding scumteams in my notes and it seemed like you'd fit. Also yeah I tr bakura now but your read on bakura came really early it felt like.

You could still be scum but we didn't get to interact enough for me to feel comfortable voting you today and days almost over so thats a wash.

-vote unvote

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

3 points:

- It has nothing to do with the "leads" part, for the reasons you stated yourself (especially considering he comes from the SC2 arcade)
- It's about his vote on Bakura for "lurking" when he very clearly hasn't done that at all: it feels like he's lost newbie scum trying to find something to accuse people on (it's not like he could genuinely think Bakura was lurking out of all people, especially considering how there literally were zero-posters at that point)
- It has the advantage of giving potential associative information on Deathworlds, which I very much like, because he's a bit of a question mark to me despite his posts (his setup analysis is NAI)

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Actually I'm rereading this and I don't think this is an insane argument

:scratches head: I'm not actually sure what my reads are at this point

Wagons tierlist

no:
jmw
Marshmallow Marshal
Ashoka Tano
Bakura
Martin

only if I had to:
eevee
ewianking
Aporia
Tauntshaman

poe:
clowns
frinckles
oliverz
drizzt
dw
jelly

@deathworlds can you go over why you'd expected the amount of neutrals that you did in your analysis?

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Originally Posted by TheClowns

All this talk about voting and I cant even find the vc
Kinda sus

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Is this Fishy? What are your reads?

also, the vc is a button at the top that says "Vote count"

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Originally Posted by jmw

Wagons tierlist

no:
jmw
Marshmallow Marshal
Ashoka Tano
Bakura
Martin

only if I had to:
eevee
ewianking
Aporia
Tauntshaman

poe:
clowns
frinckles
oliverz
drizzt
dw
jelly

@deathworlds can you go over why you'd expected the amount of neutrals that you did in your analysis?

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The standard sc2mafia mod game has 3 wolves, one true neutral, one evil neutral, and one killing neutral with the rest being town.
I'd expect the setup here to look somewhat like that.

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Originally Posted by TheClowns

All this talk about voting and I cant even find the vc
Kinda sus

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we warned your slot about switching to light mode/theme

it removed the vote-count button at the top of the page, just below the page buttons

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Eh, just worldbuilding scumteams in my notes and it seemed like you'd fit. Also yeah I tr bakura now but your read on bakura came really early it felt like.

You could still be scum but we didn't get to interact enough for me to feel comfortable voting you today and days almost over so thats a wash.

-vote unvote

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It’s because there’s many telltale signs for bakura :b ye, tbf most of d1 was wasted

I saw Jelly's bit about the n0 being TMI but I honestly don't think it is
idk what site meta is here, on Hypixel n0 has basically never been a thing (might have been in literally one game, but there's usually never n0s on HPM) so I don't find it weird for Jelly to sus it but a n0 (and moreso n0 cop check) seems normal to think of to me, especially when there was an announcement about n0 actions anyway

what I found a bit odd that Mark already noted is that DW went in expecting a 3-4(?) man scumteam and also like 2-4 neuts and a killing which might be TMI? I can think of a reasonable explanation for this TMI to be town but it doesn't need to be stated

so I want to hear about that

I don't like that I have a "meh" PoE rather than a preferred target(s) since Jelly has started trending up for me

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Originally Posted by deathworlds

The standard sc2mafia mod game has 3 wolves, one true neutral, one evil neutral, and one killing neutral with the rest being town.
I'd expect the setup here to look somewhat like that.

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I don’t think I’ve ever seen more than 2 neutrals in a game and even then it’s rare there’s a neutral or at least not as common as just role madness town vs scum

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Originally Posted by deathworlds

The standard sc2mafia mod game has 3 wolves, one true neutral, one evil neutral, and one killing neutral with the rest being town.
I'd expect the setup here to look somewhat like that.

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Oh, interesting. Okay point rescinded then lmfao

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Originally Posted by deathworlds

The standard sc2mafia mod game has 3 wolves, one true neutral, one evil neutral, and one killing neutral with the rest being town.
I'd expect the setup here to look somewhat like that.

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SC2 people, is this right? I'm probably reading too much into this tbh

inspired by jmw's style

no:
jmw
frink
drizzt
bakura
ashoka tano

only if I had to:
taunt
Marshmallow
dw
aporia
ewian

okay:
clown
mreevee
Jelly
oliverz

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Originally Posted by Tauntshaman

Of course I'd be asking for leads, why, you want us to random vote with 80% chance of getting a Town out?

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qi...f7a657d0d62-lq

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can I ask where you got the 80% from