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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
It's also mighty convenient that the glowing townread Frinckles had on my slot has magically evaporated over night. He said I was "lock town apart from a fringe scenario where Stealth was my mafia buddy" hmmm
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
Neither me or you ever expressed strong scumreads on Joey. And what are you talking about, if I had to guess FBI I probably would have guessed me, Gyr or an inactive.
You and I pressured Joey constantly until he gave us an answer in regards to 'mafia not knowing eachother.'
It was actually you who kept re-hashing that after the fact and given SB16's early dismissal, you'd be stabbed. Joey even noticed you doing this.
Also "if I had to guess FBI I probably would have guessed me, Gyr or an inactive" doesn't exactly make sense.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
If any town member gets lynched today, the town loses. This is the situation we are in, you are a player who claims to be good with his math. You're defending yourself with logical fallacies
No, my perspective is totally consistent here. You yourself acknowledged the bulk of the game seems to think you're bullshitting. That means if Joey gets lynched, then you get lynched, we'll be down to 5 players including me.
Of the remaining 4, I literally just need to select one I'm confident is town and town wins. That gives a 3/4 chance of winning. Also, your post above about how "only mafia uses math" is the weirdest thing I've ever read... math isn't biased towards anything... what?
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
It's also mighty convenient that the glowing townread Frinckles had on my slot has magically evaporated over night. He said I was "lock town apart from a fringe scenario where Stealth was my mafia buddy" hmmm
I really, really, REALLY don't give a shit about your opinion of me. If you get the hammer and you're town, great. I'll take my day four exit. If you get the hammer as scum, all town lose. But don't try to make me get 'in-line' for trying to win.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
You and I pressured Joey constantly until he gave us an answer in regards to 'mafia not knowing eachother.'
It was actually you who kept re-hashing that after the fact and given SB16's early dismissal, you'd be stabbed. Joey even noticed you doing this.
Also "if I had to guess FBI I probably would have guessed me, Gyr or an inactive" doesn't exactly make sense.
You had such a glowing townread of Joey yesterday that you lambasted me for even expressing a modicum of doubt about his slot. I also expressed a general townread of Joey. It makes sense for Joey to hit Duck or Michael. You're being silly.
I don't see what your issue is. I'm saying, suppose I'm SK and I need to guess FBI agent. I would probably guess yzb, Gyr or an inactive. Someone like Frinckles or BC is difficult to imagine as FBI.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I really, really, REALLY don't give a shit about your opinion of me. If you get the hammer and you're town, great. I'll take my day four exit. If you get the hammer as scum, all town lose. But don't try to make me get 'in-line' for trying to win.
I'm not pointing it out for you dummy I'm pointing it out for everyone else lmao
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
And analyzing Joey's thought process, a man who spent a bajillion posts trying to unvote BC, seems intrinsically fallacious to me xD
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
I'm not pointing it out for you dummy I'm pointing it out for everyone else lmao
(-̩̩-̩̩͡_-̩̩-̩̩͡) Fair.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
"Very high chances of winning" and whatever other attempts to solve games through math ALWAYS ALWAYS come from mafia players. Games absolutely never result in town wins when you follow plays like that
Yes they do lol
Town uses logic
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
No, my perspective is totally consistent here. You yourself acknowledged the bulk of the game seems to think you're bullshitting. That means if Joey gets lynched, then you get lynched, we'll be down to 5 players including me.
Of the remaining 4, I literally just need to select one I'm confident is town and town wins. That gives a 3/4 chance of winning. Also, your post above about how "only mafia uses math" is the weirdest thing I've ever read... math isn't biased towards anything... what?
The only thing I ever acknowledged here is that the bulk of players seems to trust you over me. Everything else you're saying is just made up, because I'm 100% dying tonight if joey gets lynched. Ducky already becomes confirmed sk the moment his cc dies, and it doesn't make sense for the sk to put himself in a scenario where the town has majority the next day. You're still making up logical fallacies
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
And analyzing Joey's thought process, a man who spent a bajillion posts trying to unvote BC, seems intrinsically fallacious to me xD
(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ LOOKS LIKE IM GONNA DO IT ANYWAY (๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ(๑˃̵ᴗ˂̵)ﻭ
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
The only thing I ever acknowledged here is that the bulk of players seems to trust you over me. Everything else you're saying is just made up, because I'm 100% dying tonight if joey gets lynched. Ducky already becomes confirmed sk the moment his cc dies, and it doesn't make sense for the sk to put himself in a scenario where the town has majority the next day. You're still making up logical fallacies
you were like "HOW CAN YZB BE SO CHILL GYAAAH"
I was like "This is why I'm chill."
Then you were like "MATH IS A MANIPULATION TOOL OF THE MAFIA"
xD
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
I mean lynching the sk cc will ALWAYS result in the real sk then killing the agent. He is already confirmed from his cc dying and it does put the town in a guaranteed winning position if he kills mafia. No sane sk would do that ever
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
I mean lynching the sk cc will ALWAYS result in the real sk then killing the agent. He is already confirmed from his cc dying and it does put the town in a guaranteed winning position if he kills mafia. No sane sk would do that ever
Kenny, Kenny,
your face is a logical fallacy.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
Yes they do lol
Town uses logic
I've never seen that happen on this site. Every single time anyone tries to make up some complicated scenario with a "guaranteed town win" it's always mafia
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kenny
The only thing I ever acknowledged here is that the bulk of players seems to trust you over me. Everything else you're saying is just made up, because I'm 100% dying tonight if joey gets lynched. Ducky already becomes confirmed sk the moment his cc dies, and it doesn't make sense for the sk to put himself in a scenario where the town has majority the next day. You're still making up logical fallacies
I scumread yzb day 1
But his play as an agent feels really natural and his day 1 play makes sense
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
I'm going full Magoroth mode.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
I scumread yzb day 1
But his play as an agent feels really natural and his day 1 play makes sense
And you townread me, even at our worst. But everything you've said directed at me since day two started has been a snipe at me.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
I scumread yzb day 1
But his play as an agent feels really natural and his day 1 play makes sense
How does it feel natural? There is literally a cc and this is LyLo. Yet he's trying to push some guaranteed town win scenario. That is no way natural it just isn't. It's only what scum could want for an easier win
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Let the record show, I hate SK setups.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
I've never seen that happen on this site. Every single time anyone tries to make up some complicated scenario with a "guaranteed town win" it's always mafia
Yet I have. Maybe you've just played with players like Rachyl?
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
And you townread me, even at our worst. But everything you've said directed at me since day two started has been a snipe at me.
Yes because my day 1 reads were wrong
As I said day 1 that they probably would be
Imagine that
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
How does it feel natural? There is literally a cc and this is LyLo. Yet he's trying to push some guaranteed town win scenario. That is no way natural it just isn't. It's only what scum could want for an easier win
Gut feeling.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
How does it feel natural? There is literally a cc and this is LyLo. Yet he's trying to push some guaranteed town win scenario. That is no way natural it just isn't. It's only what scum could want for an easier win
And I explained my view of your cc
You ignored it I think
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
Yes because my day 1 reads were wrong
As I said day 1 that they probably would be
Imagine that
You fence-sat all of day one and could barely create a read outside of me/yzb, and to be honest you're still mostly there. But okay.
If you're town I don't see you applying any sort of skepticism to the situation. You just said you slept on it and it's all good fam'! When it's really not.
Consider the possibility I'm town and consider if what I'm doing is incorrect.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Like, I want to know who believe I'm scum with Kenny. Please, notify me.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
Yet I have. Maybe you've just played with players like Rachyl?
Rachyl is completely irrelevant to this argument. I've explained exactly how yzb used a logical fallacy for his play, and now you're defending it with stuff like that.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Like, I want to know who believe I'm scum with Kenny. Please, notify me.
Me
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
And I explained my view of your cc
You ignored it I think
The only explanation you gave is a question directed at me, asking me to explain how his play makes sense. I've ignored nothing, you're probably just scum here
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
JoeyDX
-vote i am going to answer frinckles questions and be towny
https://youtu.be/CdqoNKCCt7A?t=54
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
Me
Okay good. Anyone else?
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
You fence-sat all of day one and could barely create a read outside of me/yzb, and to be honest you're still mostly there. But okay.
If you're town I don't see you applying any sort of skepticism to the situation. You just said you slept on it and it's all good fam'! When it's really not.
Consider the possibility I'm town and consider if what I'm doing is incorrect.
It really is all good fam
Unless you're mafia and see the writing in the wall. Then its time to panic
What am I from your point of view? Mafia with yzb? If yzb is town and Im mafia, what do I have to gain by going along with his boot order? Either yzb or Kenny is scum
You're making this worse for yourself from my point of view by coming at me like this
The only way it makes sense is if your glowing "yzb us jesus town" disappeared over nothing. You should be happy lynching Joey today
Yet here you scramble
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
The only explanation you gave is a question directed at me, asking me to explain how his play makes sense. I've ignored nothing, you're probably just scum here
Work your thought process out for me in how yzb/me are scum together. Lets see it
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
It really is all good fam
Unless you're mafia and see the writing in the wall. Then its time to panic
What am I from your point of view? Mafia with yzb? If yzb is town and Im mafia, what do I have to gain by going along with his boot order? Either yzb or Kenny is scum
You're making this worse for yourself from my point of view by coming at me like this
The only way it makes sense is if your glowing "yzb us jesus town" disappeared over nothing. You should be happy lynching Joey today
Yet here you scramble
I never said you were Mafia with yzb. If yzb is town and you're mafia you stand to gain massive towncred for bussing Kenny.
I'm not coming at you at all. Re-read the post you just quoted and let me know if my rhetoric is really that aggressive. YOU DID EVERYTHING I TYPED.
My reads have been public, clear and substantiated the entire fucking game. Skepticism and self-evaluation are not scummy traits if you're trying to win. The lynch on SB16 was wrong. You're telling me Mafia just didn't vote?
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I never said you were Mafia with yzb. If yzb is town and you're mafia you stand to gain massive towncred for bussing Kenny.
I'm not coming at you at all. Re-read the post you just quoted and let me know if my rhetoric is really that aggressive. YOU DID EVERYTHING I TYPED.
My reads have been public, clear and substantiated the entire fucking game. Skepticism and self-evaluation are not scummy traits if you're trying to win. The lynch on SB16 was wrong. You're telling me Mafia just didn't vote?
I'm okay with gry+yzb town core
I'm okay with being lynched, unlike you who is flipping out about it
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
I do like bussing my partners as scum, kinda a personal meta
But doing that to Kenny here is a gamethrow
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
Work your thought process out for me in how yzb/me are scum together. Lets see it
I hate questions like this. My thoughts for a player being scum or not change all the time and there's no way I'd ever be able to write down everything. It silences down players that do end up overthinking these posts too.
I have you as the analyzing kind of player in my head. You don't seem to be someone overly emotional and I was under the impression you wouldn't jump to random conclusions. I don't think you've ever seemed to question yzb's plans however. I would've expected you to be the kind of player who notices the mistakes in his or her reasoning. You've been awfully passive today. I've already pointed that out at some point before too.
Feel free to correct me if I misread you as a person. This is our first game after all
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
I'm okay with gry+yzb town core
I'm okay with being lynched, unlike you who is flipping out about it
At what point did I flip out about being lynched? All I said was I'd take my day four exit (or much more likely, suicide to speed up the PoE.)
My problem was with the lynching order. If yzb is town and you're town you should be concerned with duck being lynched after you. Make sense?
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
Gut feeling.
Posts like this are in direct contrast to my read too. I interpreted "gut" as a lie
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
At what point did I flip out about being lynched? All I said was I'd take my day four exit (or much more likely, suicide to speed up the PoE.)
My problem was with the lynching order. If yzb is town and you're town you should be concerned with duck being lynched after you. Make sense?
No. I cannot be in a 2v1 with yzb because he will mislynch me when it really counts. He HAS to mislynch me before then
He has too much skepticism about me during this game. At least with duck/gry in final 3 with him theres a chance we get it right
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Kenny
I hate questions like this. My thoughts for a player being scum or not change all the time and there's no way I'd ever be able to write down everything. It silences down players that do end up overthinking these posts too.
I have you as the analyzing kind of player in my head. You don't seem to be someone overly emotional and I was under the impression you wouldn't jump to random conclusions. I don't think you've ever seemed to question yzb's plans however. I would've expected you to be the kind of player who notices the mistakes in his or her reasoning. You've been awfully passive today. I've already pointed that out at some point before too.
Feel free to correct me if I misread you as a person. This is our first game after all
Ill tespond to this later, at ihop
Later guys
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
No. I cannot be in a 2v1 with yzb because he will mislynch me when it really counts. He HAS to mislynch me before then
He has too much skepticism about me during this game. At least with duck/gry in final 3 with him theres a chance we get it right
I want you to consider a world where we are both town.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Barring a Joey cc, this boils down to me v Banana v Gyrlander.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Yes. That means its not a matter of who I trust in the two ccs or serial killers.
It means who do I trust over you two.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I want you to consider a world where we are both town.
I'll consider it after I see you flip
You're being lynched after Kenny
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
I don't think there's any reason to bother thinking about who to lynch after Frinckles. Given Frinckles is now defending a guy saying shit like this:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Kenny
Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Work your thought process out for me in how yzb/me are scum together. Lets see it
I hate questions like this. My thoughts for a player being scum or not change all the time and there's no way I'd ever be able to write down everything. It silences down players that do end up overthinking these posts too.
And basically soft-admitted he's being intentionally ridiculous:
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I'm going full Magoroth mode.
My day 1 townread of Frinckles has been trampled, beaten and incinerated.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
Kenny basically lambasted BC for asking him to play the game in that post. Mr "half-this-game-is-anti-town-and-needs-to-be-policy-lynched" would never in his right mind defend a player saying shit like that.
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
Kenny basically lambasted BC for asking him to play the game in that post. Mr "half-this-game-is-anti-town-and-needs-to-be-policy-lynched" would never in his right mind defend a player saying shit like that.
I what now? Banana's "work out your thought process on why I'm scum" is classic mod "why me".
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Re: S-FM 294 (Ladder) : Undercover - Game Thread
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Originally Posted by
yzb25
Kenny basically lambasted BC for asking him to play the game in that post. Mr "half-this-game-is-anti-town-and-needs-to-be-policy-lynched" would never in his right mind defend a player saying shit like that.
That's based off the assumption that you know BC's alignment.
"Work your thought process out for me in how yzb/me are scum together. Lets see it"
If is town he wouldn't know whether you're Mafia. It's a loaded question unless Kenny is 100% certain BC is Mafia with you.