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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Lag
Do you not remember PQ's play in the Gravity Falls game? He was so all over the place that AIVION revoked his ability to post from the dead, lmao
Why do you think the wolves were Frinckles voters instead of off-wagon observers?
because the original train was PQR.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Will be out for most of the next few hours, placing my vote here.
This is very similar to the situation from last game where we just got a mislynch but I don’t think I blame anyone on their train. Both Lag and Frinckles were interchangeably null leaning scum reads for me on day 1. My read on Lag has not changed but I also have not done any analysis over the night, unfortunately.
-vote Lag
We’re starting here today, and we’ll see where things go. I need a lot more out of you today.
This vote is just opportunistic, if you think I'm wolf, then who do you think are my teammates here? What were they doing at EoD?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss
NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
Lag
PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Voss (1 [L-6]):
NotPaopan
Lag (4 [L-3]):
Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles
oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
Stealthbomber16
Renegade (1 [L-6]):
Loldebite
I’m going to revisit this as time goes on but this is… a start, I guess.
scummy lamist
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Loldebite
because the original train was PQR.
Allow me to precise : Before Frinckles & you, Lag got to 4 votes, renegade was alone on Gikkle and me, guillo & MM were on PQR. So there was a time where PQR was actually the leading train.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Even in the unlikely event you are town, it's false to say resistance to your lynch (and more exactly speaking, resistance to the direction of the game) is irrelevant: it indicates scum were unhappy with what was happening, so even assuming you're town, we would have to look into whoever was also being suspected. That would probably be Lag or Oliver. I don't think we live in a world where you are town, though, so this doesn't apply.
Why would scum intentionally steer from town A to town B? Unless... they wanted to save me for D2 lynch? hah
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lag
Taking back the medic claim can easily be interpreted as medic WIFOM. So I think the entire premise of your questions are wrong.
I already said I think the wolves were off-wagon, doing their own thing. Guillo's suspicions of me were pretty much entirely because I wasn't around anymore, like all I would have to do is start posting on day 2 and his read on me changes - his reads changed a dozen times on day 1 after all - and that's something you should know about Guillo as well, he jumps around with his reads very often, using them to apply pressure and extract information, not control thread narrative.
I think the Guillo kill was because of his medic WIFOM + his thread influence - he's still top poster in this game as of now after all.
Paopan claimed medic, and I thought it was pretty clear Guillotina took back his claim after that, and that Paopan was actually the medic. I don't believe they would have thought he was medic.
And again, EVEN if it WAS just WIFOM, it means it couldn't be honestly considered, so better off killing for other reasons. Guillo's thread influence, again, wouldn't mean much if he town read scum, and scum read town. I keep town leaders alive if I pocketed them or they have super inaccurate reads.
So, what was he killed for? If his reads weren't completely inaccurate, that means at least 2 scum are within you/oliverz/PQRN/Voss. The three that were not you all were on Frinckles. If you're town, why are 2 scum passing up the opportunity to get YOU killed, over someone just posting shark stuff the whole game (even if Frinckles is a good player, he hadn't done anything yet)?
I don't believe the "medic claim" would be an actual consideration by scum. It could be an easy excuse - but I don't believe they would ACTUALLY kill because of that, especially someone openly claiming medic day 1? That would open up the consideration the medic would self heal because they are out in the opening.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
What happened then was this :
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Renegade
I'd rather see Frinkles go over PQ
So about that post :
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
It's pretty unlikely Renegade tried pulling anything like that off, considering he's mayor. 2 votes can make a massive difference in the result of the day (and as a matter of fact, it had a 50 % chance of doing so).
I am convinced scum pushed away from a PQ lynch. The gamestate when I left was in no way indicating that the EoD votecount would look anything like how it was. There was a massive change because scum didn't like where the game was going; it's basically the opposite of "dead air, dead villager".
MM, why do you not consider it's renegade that pushed away from a PQ lynch ? I might have missed something, but i did feel that people were pushing away from PQR, and i did feel renegade and voss doing such. Voss i guess was okay. Renegade claimed scumreading them earlier, so it makes absolutely no fucking sense.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Come to think of it, it is odd for you to suspect PQ+Voss team, when I put Voss as the most towny person at Half of D1 (score of 75 from what I recall). If i(or anyone else for that matter) were scum, there's no way that their scum partner would be listed as the towniest read of the 11.
thats literally wifom and thus complete trash.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
@Lag
gimme your thoughts on everyone rn
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@Stealthbomber16
@Renegade
Can I get a top 3 town/scum from y'all?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Paopan claimed medic, and I thought it was pretty clear Guillotina took back his claim after that, and that Paopan was actually the medic. I don't believe they would have thought he was medic.
And again, EVEN if it WAS just WIFOM, it means it couldn't be honestly considered, so better off killing for other reasons. Guillo's thread influence, again, wouldn't mean much if he town read scum, and scum read town. I keep town leaders alive if I pocketed them or they have super inaccurate reads.
So, what was he killed for? If his reads weren't completely inaccurate, that means at least 2 scum are within you/oliverz/PQRN/Voss. The three that were not you all were on Frinckles. If you're town, why are 2 scum passing up the opportunity to get YOU killed, over someone just posting shark stuff the whole game (even if Frinckles is a good player, he hadn't done anything yet)?
I don't believe the "medic claim" would be an actual consideration by scum. It could be an easy excuse - but I don't believe they would ACTUALLY kill because of that, especially someone openly claiming medic day 1? That would open up the consideration the medic would self heal because they are out in the opening.
Maybe scum felt threatened by him, in the sense that he was not scumreading them yet. He did mention fear-killing a few times - maybe that's what that NK was ? Admittedly it seems unlikely, but if you can kill a good player and let town struggle with the WIFOM, that sounds good. Note that the votes at the end of D1 seem coherent with the idea that scum is going after players they fear...
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
@NotPaopan
you too
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Voss
My reasonings are not great, but there's only like 3 pages here and i'm more interested in getting a reads list so people can interact with it than keeping it to myself
** KEEP ALIVE **
Voss - Putting yourself in your own reads list is a town tell 100%
Guillo - the early scum read is super hot
MM - coaching PAO makes him scum with him, or top town
Oliverz - because of early lag meta read
Ren - Not sure where to place him, but, like stealth, will get a better read later.
PQRNhack - didn’t like pao’s opening, just like I didn’t
Loldebite - paying attention to Guillo, posts don’t seem scum motivated
Stealth - engaged with me. I suspect I’ll get a better read as day goes on
Lag- did not like opening, but did not suck
Gikkle - don’t remember much of him
Frinkles - opening sucked, though the low placement here is hopefully more of a prod
Paopan - opening sucked, and slot continues to suck
** VOTE **
(note, that there can be subtle differences to someone I deem scummy, and someone I want to eliminate, or deeming towny vs keeping them around)
@Voss
Obviously, this was quite a while ago, but tell me how this has changed, if at all. Describe what made things change. I wanna know your thought processes and how your reads have developed, basically.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lag
Taking back the medic claim can easily be interpreted as medic WIFOM. So I think the entire premise of your questions are wrong.
I already said I think the wolves were off-wagon, doing their own thing. Guillo's suspicions of me were pretty much entirely because I wasn't around anymore, like all I would have to do is start posting on day 2 and his read on me changes - his reads changed a dozen times on day 1 after all - and that's something you should know about Guillo as well, he jumps around with his reads very often, using them to apply pressure and extract information, not control thread narrative.
I think the Guillo kill was because of his medic WIFOM + his thread influence - he's still top poster in this game as of now after all.
omg lag you are a genius.
d1 i just scumread every1 once
and later i claim that all my d1 reads are always right.
guillotines hate this trick
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
oliverz144
omg lag you are a genius.
d1 i just scumread every1 once
and later i claim that all my d1 reads are always right.
guillotines hate this trick
What are your thoughts right now oliverz?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Paopan claimed medic, and I thought it was pretty clear Guillotina took back his claim after that, and that Paopan was actually the medic. I don't believe they would have thought he was medic.
And again, EVEN if it WAS just WIFOM, it means it couldn't be honestly considered, so better off killing for other reasons. Guillo's thread influence, again, wouldn't mean much if he town read scum, and scum read town. I keep town leaders alive if I pocketed them or they have super inaccurate reads.
So, what was he killed for? If his reads weren't completely inaccurate, that means at least 2 scum are within you/oliverz/PQRN/Voss. The three that were not you all were on Frinckles. If you're town, why are 2 scum passing up the opportunity to get YOU killed, over someone just posting shark stuff the whole game (even if Frinckles is a good player, he hadn't done anything yet)?
I don't believe the "medic claim" would be an actual consideration by scum. It could be an easy excuse - but I don't believe they would ACTUALLY kill because of that, especially someone openly claiming medic day 1? That would open up the consideration the medic would self heal because they are out in the opening.
There are enough people in this game that have enough experience to know that killing a town leader that is volatile with their reads is always a good NK option.
There are also people in this lobby that have killed people in the past just because they were top poster. That's what the Paopan wolf team did in the Last Hope FM.
When it has the potential to frame people? That's just icing on the cake.
I think you're severely over-analyzing the NK, who else do they kill? Some less influential player with accurate reads casting huge amounts of suspicion on their slots because that kind of kill would make zero sense?
Do I think there could be wolves among you/oliver/PQ/Voss?
Yes, but I also think it's >rand that wolves are just happy to see town wagons at end of day and stay out of it. Because it seriously makes no sense for them to vote Frinckles in the interest of saving me.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I bet you have turned holiday cheer off ever since you joined, you soulless monster. Frinckles shitposts a lot, but he also is a highly talented player, and you KNOW this. I believe you literally advocated for him to go to the Mafia Championship this year. He did absolutely nothing actively scummy. If no other players had been valid options for lynch, I could understand the policy lynch, but there absolutely were valid options outside of Frinckles. You even admitted that yourself by saying you would vote for Lag or Oliver over PQ - you did have reads that had much more solid ground than "oh he posted pizzas and sharks".
If you check my last reads list, you'll see that he was in the bottom 2, and I gave justification as to why I picked him over Paopan.
I couldn't understand the ramifications of a Lag vs Oliverz yeet yesterday and didn't want to pick wrong. I honestly still don't. And apart from that, you've given me pause on Oliverz being scum bc you said he's town stream of conscious talking. As for Lag, I think more content from him could make me figure out if he's scum or not, but Lag didn't shitpost.
I really don't like how you keep saying that I said "I'd vote for Lag or Oliver over PQ". It's literally in my ranking order. PQ is higher than Lag or Oliver, so I'd vote for either of them. Frinckles was lower than Lag, Oliver and PQ, saw him as a viable option, and went with that. I don't like the way you're demonizing me based on that post, as I see nothing wrong with it.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Buckets in no particular order:
Town
oliver
Gikkle
Town Lean
PQ
Voss
Loldebite
Wolf Lean
NotPaopan
MM
Renegade
Wolf
SB16
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lag
Buckets in no particular order:
Town
oliver
Gikkle
Town Lean
PQ
Voss
Loldebite
Wolf Lean
NotPaopan
MM
Renegade
Wolf
SB16
Btw Gikkle, before you ask, because you say it literally every single time I townread you, regardless of your alignment. Yes, I am attempting to pocket you with this list.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
omg lag you are a genius.
d1 i just scumread every1 once
and later i claim that all my d1 reads are always right.
guillotines hate this trick
Lmao, how can people think this guy is wolf?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
@
Voss
Obviously, this was quite a while ago, but tell me how this has changed, if at all. Describe what made things change. I wanna know your thought processes and how your reads have developed, basically.
I can do this at some point soonish, sure, but this is an older list and the newer one I posted a bit later. I don't think I had Guillo as top town, and had MM as top town.
I think this might have been the last thing I posted.
Town
Renegade
MM
Stealth
PQRnHack
Town lean
Lag
Guiro
Oliverz
Gikkle
Can go
Frinkles
Loldebite
Paopan
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Lag
I'm asking why you thought I was a better option though, voting someone who tried to generate content in the thread in the first 26 hours of the day phase, only to be met with crickets from the thread, and then get busy and not be able to play the second half of the day phase when everyone decides to show up... well it's just a bizarre vote.
Maybe I'm being too OMGUS-y with it and it's more NAI than I think, AI or not, it's certainly bizarre. How did you not think there was a better slot to vote?
Generating content is NAI.
(!!!) yikes
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Loldebite
I tried to there :
If you have any questions LMK
There's no world where Renegade and Lag are scum together here, right? Out of the two you think Renegade is the more likely scum? If that's the case... why consider voting lag at all? That doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lag
There are enough people in this game that have enough experience to know that killing a town leader that is volatile with their reads is always a good NK option.
There are also people in this lobby that have killed people in the past just because they were top poster. That's what the Paopan wolf team did in the Last Hope FM.
When it has the potential to frame people? That's just icing on the cake.
I think you're severely over-analyzing the NK, who else do they kill? Some less influential player with accurate reads casting huge amounts of suspicion on their slots because that kind of kill would make zero sense?
Do I think there could be wolves among you/oliver/PQ/Voss?
Yes, but I also think it's >rand that wolves are just happy to see town wagons at end of day and stay out of it. Because it seriously makes no sense for them to vote Frinckles in the interest of saving me.
The three/four people I expected scum to kill were as follows:
Guillo, PQRnhack, Stealthbomber, and MM
I think PQRn is a strong player, with good thoughts when he's town. Stealthbomber would be a safe kill on someone who seems at least somewhat experienced, and isn't in the immediate PoE (at least day 1). MM is a good player. Guillo, obviously, was quite influential.
There were options. Heck, they could have killed you if they didn't care about the fact they'd be resolving the wagons.
It's possible, I suppose, that they killed Guillo for the sole reason he was influential, ignoring the accuracy of his reads. It just seems less likely to be the case, to me.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Voss
I can do this at some point soonish, sure, but this is an older list and the newer one I posted a bit later. I don't think I had Guillo as top town, and had MM as top town.
I think this might have been the last thing I posted.
Town
Renegade
MM
Stealth
PQRnHack
Town lean
Lag
Guiro
Oliverz
Gikkle
Can go
Frinkles
Loldebite
Paopan
Ah, must have missed the later one. Thanks for correcting me, then.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
Mine? ok.
SCUM
you(guillotine)
Frinckles, out of meta
voss- didnt like his commentary on gikkle tonally
NULL
Gikkle, coz hes not solvy enough as usual
Lag- maybe i dont know her that good lol ._.
paopan- fluffs as last game.
SB16
rené
TOWN
me- hehe
Lolde- hes lost/afk as usual
MM-pocketed me
and thats it i think
im going afk now, cu d2, or in grave
@oliverz144
same thing I asked Voss; how has this changed, if at all? Describe your thought process between these changes.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lag
Buckets in no particular order:
Town
oliver
Gikkle
Town Lean
PQ
Voss
Loldebite
Wolf Lean
NotPaopan
MM
Renegade
Wolf
SB16
Why do you TR Voss? And why is SB your top SR?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lag
This vote is just opportunistic, if you think I'm wolf, then who do you think are my teammates here? What were they doing at EoD?
Oh you're really gonna ask the dude who solved the last game from pure vote analysis to do vote analysis? Sure, we can do that.
Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss
NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
Lag
PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Voss (1 [L-6]):
NotPaopan
Lag (4 [L-3]):
Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles
oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
Stealthbomber16
Renegade (1 [L-6]):
Loldebite
1. You were the only person voting Pao on day 1 for pretty much the full day. That points to a likely bus. You two would be scum together.
2. Second scum would be one of the frinckles voters, outlined in orange. Analysis says it's Voss because that's who Pao was voting, but I've been mindmelding with Voss so I don't think it's him.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
The three/four people I expected scum to kill were as follows:
Guillo, PQRnhack, Stealthbomber, and MM
I think PQRn is a strong player, with good thoughts when he's town. Stealthbomber would be a safe kill on someone who seems at least somewhat experienced, and isn't in the immediate PoE (at least day 1). MM is a good player. Guillo, obviously, was quite influential.
There were options. Heck, they could have killed you if they didn't care about the fact they'd be resolving the wagons.
It's possible, I suppose, that they killed Guillo for the sole reason he was influential, ignoring the accuracy of his reads. It just seems less likely to be the case, to me.
I think it would be a solid reason to axe Guillo just because he's a loose cannon. I don't think I would support it, but I could see a team doing it. He changed his reads ridiculously quickly on day 1. Very volatile player.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Lag
Btw Gikkle, before you ask, because you say it literally every single time I townread you, regardless of your alignment. Yes, I am attempting to pocket you with this list.
Good to know.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
There's no world where Renegade and Lag are scum together here, right? Out of the two you think Renegade is the more likely scum? If that's the case... why consider voting lag at all? That doesn't seem to make much sense to me.
Maybe there is one, although it seems unlikely.
Yes, lag didnt do much, whereas IMO renegade has been purposefully manipulating lynch trains.
Because i thought Frinckles was town, whereas Lag was more of a neutral read of mine. My opposition to the lag train was only because it felt like an easy, AFK target, exactly what would scum vote thinking "no one's gonna scum read me for this : they were not useful !". That part was also true for Frinckles, but in addition to that i had good feelings about his posts, so i wanted him to not die, thinking him town.
Anyway, this all happened rather quickly so i had no time to calmly, rationally think about it.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Oh you're really gonna ask the dude who solved the last game from pure vote analysis to do vote analysis? Sure, we can do that.
Frinckles (4 [L-3]):
PQRnHack, oliverz144, Gikkle, Voss
NotPaopan (1 [L-6]):
Lag
PQRnHack (1 [L-6]):
Marshmallow Marshall
Voss (1 [L-6]):
NotPaopan
Lag (4 [L-3]):
Guillo, Renegade (Mayor), Frinckles
oliverz144 (1 [L-6]):
Stealthbomber16
Renegade (1 [L-6]):
Loldebite
1. You were the only person voting Pao on day 1 for pretty much the full day. That points to a likely bus. You two would be scum together.
2. Second scum would be one of the frinckles voters, outlined in orange. Analysis says it's Voss because that's who Pao was voting, but I've been mindmelding with Voss so I don't think it's him.
Oh, this actually reminded me of a line of thought I had an hour ago that I completely forgot about because I didn't really think it was any good. Lag kept suggesting mafia would genuinely think Guillo was the medic, despite the fact Paopan claimed medic, which indicates maybe Lag knows something about Paopan we don't?
I don't know, could mean nothing, just a thought that popped into my head.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
I think it would be a solid reason to axe Guillo just because he's a loose cannon. I don't think I would support it, but I could see a team doing it. He changed his reads ridiculously quickly on day 1. Very volatile player.
Eh, you might be right.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
tl;dr : i considered voting Lag to protect Frinckles
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Sorry I somehow completely missed this.
I look at scum in groups. Lag/Pao/Oliver seems likely to me right now, Oliver/Renegade/PQ would be the other most likely group. I’m not sure which is more likely to me.
After writing this out I… don’t actually know why I scumread Oliver so much. Seems like a gut feeling. I’m going to look into this more.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Sorry I somehow completely missed this.
I look at scum in groups. Lag/Pao/Oliver seems likely to me right now, Oliver/Renegade/PQ would be the other most likely group. I’m not sure which is more likely to me.
After writing this out I… don’t actually know why I scumread Oliver so much. Seems like a gut feeling. I’m going to look into this more.
As for town it’s Voss/MM for my town core with perhaps you in a distant third.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Lol top townreading your scummate is not unheard of and is especially not beyond your scum range
That's insulting!
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
What is the 334 game people are referring to?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
I agree with MM and also think PQR is scum, both for his reckless vote on Frinckles (he voted Frinckles 2h into D1 and didnt vote anywhere else until he was dead, based on what ? He justified afterwards saying "out of character fluff". 2h into D1. This is obviously a made-up excuse. IMO thought about in hindsight to look less like he did in the OUaTitW game.
I guess renegade was kinda right : PQR was extremely confident about his Frinckles vote.
I agree with SB that the attorney vote is likely NAI. Same has to be said about Governor/Judge, i fear.
Well there's a lie, so -vote Loldebite
.
Check your facts and come back to me.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Loldebite
What happened then was this :
So about that post :
MM, why do you not consider it's renegade that pushed away from a PQ lynch ? I might have missed something, but i did feel that people were pushing away from PQR, and i did feel renegade and voss doing such. Voss i guess was okay. Renegade claimed scumreading them earlier, so it makes absolutely no fucking sense.
Do you believe that scum~Renegade pushed away from Town_A onto town_B? Or only that scum~Renegade pushed away from Scum to Town?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Killing Guillo has one additional side benefit for the Corrupt: it helps softly frame Lag, as Guillo was on the end-day counter-wagon to Frinckles: Lag. More reason to get that States Attorney claim in the air, in case it was originated by a scum~Attorney who will pretend to be town~Attorney placing a vote on scum-suspect Lag to "help town make the right lynch D2". Renegade was the sole other living Lag-voter, but they shot Guillo and not the Mayo, hmm
But of course I am over-thinking all this and the possibilities of them framing me, Lag, or anyone else.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
ofc that's assuming that Lag is actually townie. On the other hand, maybe Lag shot Guillo cuz scurred :D
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Killing Guillo has one additional side benefit for the Corrupt: it helps softly frame Lag, as Guillo was on the end-day counter-wagon to Frinckles: Lag. More reason to get that States Attorney claim in the air, in case it was originated by a scum~Attorney who will pretend to be town~Attorney placing a vote on scum-suspect Lag to "help town make the right lynch D2". Renegade was the sole other living Lag-voter, but they shot Guillo and not the Mayo, hmm
But of course I am over-thinking all this and the possibilities of them framing me, Lag, or anyone else.
This feels like a TMI slip. Why assume Lag is town?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Guillo
Lol, bro… you are caught scum and if im chopped and see that i am town, my legacy its to chop you next.
Like i got nothing to lose, im part of the majority, we can lose a few, even myself, even if im the real medic, because at the end of the day, reads beat mechanical play every day.
So yah get me chopped, if you can, you better hope you can because one of you suspects flip scum, im config town baby!
Going to note this, part of many interactions between Guillo and SB16. Was Guillo killed for being cocky?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
This feels like a TMI slip. Why assume Lag is town?
Why not? The framing scenario only has merit if the person being framed is town, duh!
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Guillo
Why am I scum?
Why do you scum read Voss for their read on Gikkle when you yourself have Gikkle in your neutral list, not in your town list? Hmmm? HMMMMMMM?
@Stealthbomber16
this is one of my reasons of a S!Oliverz, because of the weird take on my view on Gikkle. Guillo thought the same.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Voss
If you check my last reads list, you'll see that he was in the bottom 2, and I gave justification as to why I picked him over Paopan.
I couldn't understand the ramifications of a Lag vs Oliverz yeet yesterday and didn't want to pick wrong. I honestly still don't. And apart from that, you've given me pause on Oliverz being scum bc you said he's town stream of conscious talking. As for Lag, I think more content from him could make me figure out if he's scum or not, but Lag didn't shitpost.
I really don't like how you keep saying that I said "I'd vote for Lag or Oliver over PQ". It's literally in my ranking order. PQ is higher than Lag or Oliver, so I'd vote for either of them. Frinckles was lower than Lag, Oliver and PQ, saw him as a viable option, and went with that. I don't like the way you're demonizing me based on that post, as I see nothing wrong with it.
I am not so sure anymore tbh, and can't decide what to do with either Lag or Oliver anymore. Both are weird. Oliver conveniently being on Frinckles and never addressing PQ as far as I know makes me wonder, and Lag is just... not towny. They're not specially scummy, they just don't meet the standard I hold them to.
As dumb as that may be, I really, really like this part. It's literally saying "Yes, that is what I said, and that is what I think, but just because of my list, which I stick to, and I see nothing wrong with this." I guess you might be town after all.
-vote PQRnHack
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Here we go again. What's your plan for the game after I flip town?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
We should be in a 7 v 3 now. Mislynch+kill(unless healed) leads to 5v3, with 5 votes to hammer. Here's to hoping they dont have BOTH the Mayor AND the General on the scum team.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
oliverz144
did u just suggest me to vote myself? :D
jokes aside, i have a chronic hate against fluff and jokes (334- paopan and me)
and lag wasnt happening when i was not afk 6h b4 eod.
and later i was busy reading up so i didnt participate in active discussion.
Is it just me or is this incredibly weak lol? "I voted Frinckles because I have chronic hate against fluff and jokes"? Really, so over any actual read, you just go for that? I have doubts. Oliver is sending contradictory signals this game ;-;
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Originally Posted by
Lag
Do you not remember PQ's play in the Gravity Falls game? He was so all over the place that AIVION revoked his ability to post from the dead, lmao
Why do you think the wolves were Frinckles voters instead of off-wagon observers?
There's a difference between being all over the place to solve and creating a twisted narrative that puts yourself in a townie's position, and then trying to "stick" game events around that townie position. It feels unnatural, much like in Once Upon a Town where he spammed nonsense about himself and ended up surviving thanks to it.
As I already said, the gamestate changed incredibly fast and the Frinckles lynch was unfathomable from the point of view of someone who hadn't been in the thread for a few hours. This is indicative of scum being unhappy with the gamestate and acting to change it. It's not like there was no valid option other than Frinckles. Scum went in and built the Frinckles wagon for the sake of changing the focus. This means scum were disingenuous in their actions close to EoD, and Oliver's weak justification for voting Frinckles makes me seriously question my initial townread on them... Oliver might be scum here, actually.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Here we go again. What's your plan for the game after I flip town?
If you flip town, my plan is to be surprised and to keep analyzing the Frinckles wagon :P.