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that's pretty much it rn
ceko if you
d unvote me
I'd like to talk to martin and MM tomorrow if possible before i go to work i suppose.
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
I still think it's you but this is a good exercise in case I'm wrong/tunnelling
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mizery
Around 5 posts later, Martin shot Brad out of the blue. Then he argued on page 8 that it makes little sense for him to shoot Brad of all people if he's scum trying to make the most out of his shot. And then on page 9, posts 412-414, he shows genuine thought progression (as scum, he doesn't need to reevaluate you here; plus, it's not even natural for scum to do that, since they aren't actually scumhunting).
So all in all, circumstances changed a lot due to shots and Martin did substantially towny things. I stand by what I said here
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mizery
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DoctorZeus
Martin is over explaining
But in a natural way
He clearly wants us to believe what he's saying and keep us up
Idgi tbh
like this
like how is martin not partnered here
This feels more like the kind of things scum would say about town to easily townread them so that they don't have to explain much
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mizery
this post comes right after saying he thinks I'm a wolf. With a shot.
He thinks I'm a wolf? but also thinks MM isn't simply because MM has a shot?
but then he realizes what he said and goes back in the next post
And then follows a bunch of posts talking about the different scenario possiblities....who could be a wolf and whatnot....and....he ends up back at what?
Mizery/Ceko
Here's where I REALLY don't follow you. Why would scum!Martin, after realizing this, throw stuff by the window and start reevaluating like this? He doesn't need to sabotage his own case.
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
I am mostly waiting on
@MartinGG99
's input here to decide what should be done
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Here's where I REALLY don't follow you. Why would scum!Martin, after realizing this, throw stuff by the window and start reevaluating like this? He doesn't need to sabotage his own case.
because he messed up, he even admitted there was a problem and realized doing it invalidated hist stance against me. she he has to go do damage control,
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I am mostly waiting on
@
MartinGG99
's input here to decide what should be done
had a busy morning
I'm here now though, going to catch-up
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
both talked a lot to me, but were unwilling to shoot bc they figured id get lynched or shot by some1 else. after all, i am an easy target. i think scum have been rly hesitant this game, which may tie into mizery and mm. they know i am town, but dont want to lose towncred for lynching/shooting my ridiculous slot.
looking at both Oli and DrZ iso's it seems they interacted with you just as much as they interacted with each other
so I don't see this as a point in your favor; but I don't see it as a bad sign either because I think that's how often they would interact with you regardless of alignment
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you seemed to have tried interacting a lot with oli though on your side of things
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Yeah this is town Ceko, scum Ceko never goes out like this to prevent his scummate from getting townread, it makes zero sense. However, scum!Mizery could very well have found a "reason" to townread a scummate here.
-vote Mizery
actually that's a preety good point now that there's only 1 mafia left
it was Lylo too
smh I should've realized that point sooner as I specifically looked at that before DrZ got shot
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Can we just lynch someone for info? Preferably someone who has shot a townie.
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
If ceko were wolf and trolling then that would inherently make the evidence earlier (which would suggest he's trolling) into evidence of a smart wolf play
which ends up being cricular-ish logic saying that Ceko is only trolling here as town and wouldn't be as wolf
reinforcing the point that interaction spews Ceko town
-vote Mizery
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Mizery has been hammered. Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!
Mizery (3 [L-0]): Marshmallow Marshall, theoneceko, MartinGG99
theoneceko (1 [L-2]): ChannelMiner
MartinGG99 (1 [L-2]): Mizery
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Day 6
Mizery was eliminated by
majority vote.
Mizery was a
Citizen
4 players alive,
3 votes to hammer.
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At least MM can shoot ceko
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
regardless of how this plays out
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
WHY DID WE VOTE OUT THE DUDE WHO SHOT A GOON?!?!?
Fuck it I'm voting MM.
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
I don't feel like me taking the extra step to be 1000% sure who's mafia in ceko/channel is going to change my impression of myself in that game all that much. So I'm opting to give the win to MM. I trust them being town the most out of everyone here and if that's mafia then he deserves the win (anyone else winning as mafia here would partially be due to town incompetence imo).
I'm not gonna vote him out today, which would be the last chance to stop him if he's mafia (as with 3 town & 1 mafia left, the mafia can't prevent their own yeet with a shot BUT they can at 2 town & 1 mafia)
With me not voting MM, the game can either continue to MM's win (MM either eventually just shoots the remaining player at 1 town & 1 mafia if we screwed up that bad OR 2 town & 1 mafia if MM is evil) or this day will just never end in which case I'm considering it a town win (which is what I think MM is).
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
At least MM can shoot me
awesome, u finally admitted defeat
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ChannelMiner
WHY DID WE VOTE OUT THE DUDE WHO SHOT A GOON?!?!?
Fuck it I'm voting MM.
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
because they were being threatened at votepoint to shoot
at which point if you're a wolf with a gun you gotta decide either to self-preserve as wolf or to shoot someone in the hopes that it looks better for your teammates
its not the same context as you shooting Oli
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
@Marshmallow Marshall
I'm open to yeeting anyone in here but you. The only reason I tried at all solving yesterday was because I thought if I got it right then maybe I didn't play so bad this game.
Also if this flips wolf I'm never trusting troll reads from my town reads ever again and will just policy them on how bad their actions were.
-vote theoneceko
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
well I said I wasn't going to do any solving but....
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ChannelMiner
WHY DID WE VOTE OUT THE DUDE WHO SHOT A GOON?!?!?
Fuck it I'm voting MM.
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
why the hell are you voting a person who hasn't shot anyone yet & decided to put effort into their pushes
as compared to people who have most certainly shot town without putting effort into just pushing (instead of shooting) them?
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
like I shot brad without pushing them first
ceko shot lag without even a peep before
MM hasn't shot at all and yet he had the gall as wolf to push someone who shot a wolf
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
MM hasn't shot at all and yet he had the gall as wolf to push someone who shot a wolf
oh no looks like I TMI'ed MM wolf
what shall I ever do
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for legal reasons that was a joke
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
seriously, if mm ACTUALLY shoots me then he is either worst town ever or just maf
but martin is so obviously a wolf here its not even funny,
1. he shot brad
2. that hammer? hello????
3. he is prob a partner w zeus:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
DoctorZeus
Martin is over explaining
But in a natural way
He clearly wants us to believe what he's saying and keep us up
Idgi tbh
courtesy MIZ
Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Well, I'll be damned.
So it was DoctorZeus and I should've just suspected him more.
@
Marshmallow Marshall
would appreciate your thoughts on Mizery because I mildly wonder if I am wrong in that Miz (if wolf) could've suicided into you and then let me just continue pushing the (then-wrong) Miz + Ceko theory
It would buy the wolves the most chance I think in the end if we imagine a Mizery + DoctorZeus world
ur lack of interaction w zeus is not excused lmfao
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imagine a person thanking someone for an easier-to-access ISO feature but then just doing ISO's the difficult way anyways
certainly wouldn't be me now would it
would be a damn shame if it were....
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
@
Marshmallow Marshall
I'm open to yeeting anyone in here but you. The only reason I tried at all solving yesterday was because I thought if I got it right then maybe I didn't play so bad this game.
Also if this flips wolf I'm never trusting troll reads from my town reads ever again and will just policy them on how bad their actions were.
-vote theoneceko
ping MM one more time and i will choke myself
ur making the interaction between MM and YOU extremely obvious
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im pretty sure that mm will shoot mart anyways but that hammer pissed me off,
i forgot to delete that vote on miz from my wall and mart took advantage of it
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oooh look another way to justify my play
I like to think less trolling has happened this game, so I wanna vote in order of the "possible worlds having the least amount of trolling"
1. Ceko wolf (Ceko's trolling has been wolf play & Channel did not screw his team over)
2. Channel wolf (Ceko's trolling is genuine trolling & Channel either deliberately or accidentally screwed his team over by throwing away the instant win)
3. MM wolf (Ceko has been genuine trolling & MM almost screwed his team over by throwing the instant win & Martin was Martin and was just terrible)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
ping
@
Marshmallow Marshall
one more time and i will choke myself
ur making the
interaction between
MM and
YOU extremely obvious
Okay I guess I won't mention them again
;)
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oh um
to be clear what I did in that last post didn't have any intended innuendos innit
I just wanted to spite ceko
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
I'd like to point out though
im the only person here prepared to not suddenly reconsider MM's alignment to push them in a f3 if we get this wrong
so like yeeting me (or, worse, shooting me) is the wrong play here from a !town MM world
if I somehow had a change of heart it would be so significant that the other surviving town (in a hypothetical !mafia Martin world) would just know it's me and not MM
thus saving both MM from having to use his gun in F3 and even if he gets it wrong in F3 he can just shoot to win in F2
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@Marshmallow Marshall
ignore mart, idk if he just knows how to pocket u but:
1. MIZ and i wanted u to shoot mart
2. MIZ and ober, the two strongest town, liked me and disliked mart. i can literally pull up quotes
it does not get simpler than this, and im pretty sure u will shoot mart anyways? u literally said u miz/mart were in ur poe and ceko TOWN befor u lynched miz
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like just take note how Ceko's focus on me
is solely on me
he isn't spending time justifying why others are town
hes just explaining why I'm (allegedly) scum
so when he backtracks after a hypothetical !town Martin flip
it's not all that bad really from Channel's point of view
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martin, i cant follow anything u say and will not try bc i know u are scum
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
so when he backtracks after a hypothetical !town Martin flip
oh no more TMI
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anyways, I gotta go back to my really boring paper on the meaning & purpose of life
which is due like 23 hours from now
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
like just take note how Ceko's focus on me
is solely on me
he isn't spending time justifying why others are town
hes just explaining why I'm (allegedly) scum
so when he backtracks after a hypothetical !town Martin flip
it's not all that bad really from Channel's point of view
and if i spend time on anyone except u (which there is no reason to?) you will scumpaint me for it anyways
so theres no point in arguing
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i have by far more posts than anyone, so i will stop
and mm is in the thread, i will wait for him
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
This is a quite surprising outcome (well, not much anymore since the game didn't end as soon as the lynch happened, so when I saw stealth was waiting on his deadline, I knew...). I thought my case really was good and in the end it was just wrong :(
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ChannelMiner
WHY DID WE VOTE OUT THE DUDE WHO SHOT A GOON?!?!?
Fuck it I'm voting MM.
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
Have you read the reasons I laid out yesterday? For real, this vote feels plain wrong, even from a newbie's perspective. It's like you are convinced of what should be done without really getting into the game, even though this is a wild game even by forum mafia standards... and this, as a newbie. Like, no, this doesn't work?
I am not voting or shoot ceko here, he's my top townread, ironically enough. I just don't see him being scum despite the spew. See yesterday's posts on his interactions. Besides, if ceko is scum, this is a highly ridiculous game lol, and it will mean we have to actively enforce a punitive meta towards trolly/anti-town actions.
Also, if we look at things from a more mechanical point of view...
The position Martin is adopting here is one that makes him 100 % lose if he's scum: if he doesn't get me lynched, he is one hundred percent certain to lose, because I will just shoot him in 1v1 even if he were to convince me to lynch everyone else.
Scum!ChannelMiner is in a similar situation... and o surprise, he wants me dead?
Also
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I agree with your vote, but why are you placing it?
And even more importantly... why are you calling them "just dumb townies"? Are you voting people you townread? I require explanations.
In the end, this was never addressed by ChannelMiner, and it could be a newbie scum's cognitive dissonance... could be. All in all, CM appears to be the least towny of everyone here, considering the only thing that is really going for him is his shot on Oliver.
And if I stretch a bit:
Quote:
Originally Posted by
ChannelMiner
I'm not sure how i can deduce who the goons are, I don't think ceko and martin are, i think they were just dumb townies.
could be TMI, especially considering the natural reaction of a newbie to such play usually isn't "oh it's just dumb town".
-vote ChannelMiner
Thoughts on the matter appreciated
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
@
Marshmallow Marshall
ignore mart, idk if he just knows how to pocket u but:
1.
MIZ and i wanted u to shoot mart
2.
MIZ and
ober,
the two strongest town,
liked me and
disliked mart. i can literally pull up quotes
it does not get simpler than this, and im pretty sure u will shoot mart anyways? u literally said u miz/mart were in ur poe and ceko
TOWN befor u lynched miz
See the mechanical argument (Martin locking himself out from voting me, which dooms scum!him) in my last post. This is a path to defeat for scum!Martin. Also, my shot literally guarantees us the win (assuming town!MM, which I know to be true) even in 1v1 because of how the wincons are worded.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
anyways, I gotta go back to my really boring paper on the meaning & purpose of life
which is due like 23 hours from now
The meaning and purpose of life is to play FM and to enjoy it to the fullest
:calix:
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Re: S-FM 341: American Flag Nightless
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
This is a quite surprising outcome (well, not much anymore since the game didn't end as soon as the lynch happened, so when I saw stealth was waiting on his deadline, I knew...). I thought my case really was good and in the end it was just wrong :(
Have you read the reasons I laid out yesterday? For real, this vote feels plain wrong, even from a newbie's perspective. It's like you are convinced of what should be done without really getting into the game, even though this is a wild game even by forum mafia standards... and this, as a newbie. Like, no, this doesn't work?
I am not voting or shoot ceko here, he's my top townread, ironically enough. I just don't see him being scum despite the spew. See yesterday's posts on his interactions. Besides, if ceko is scum, this is a highly ridiculous game lol, and it will mean we have to actively enforce a punitive meta towards trolly/anti-town actions.
Also, if we look at things from a more mechanical point of view...
The position Martin is adopting here is one that makes him 100 % lose if he's scum:
if he doesn't get me lynched, he is one hundred percent certain to lose, because I will just shoot him in 1v1 even if he were to convince me to lynch everyone else.
Scum!ChannelMiner is in a similar situation... and o surprise, he wants me dead?
Also
In the end, this was never addressed by ChannelMiner, and it
could be a newbie scum's cognitive dissonance...
could be. All in all, CM appears to be the least towny of everyone here, considering the only thing that is really going for him is his shot on Oliver.
And if I stretch a bit:
could be TMI, especially considering the natural reaction of a newbie to such play usually isn't "oh it's just dumb town".
-vote ChannelMiner
Thoughts on the matter appreciated
i wud never vote w martin..
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
See the mechanical argument (Martin locking himself out from voting me, which dooms scum!him) in my last post. This is a path to defeat for scum!Martin. Also, my shot literally guarantees us the win (assuming town!MM, which I know to be true) even in 1v1 because of how the wincons are worded.
YOU can be scum, and chanel me miz all think that
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-vote ChannelMiner
MM's vote target has my vote, as stated I'm never voting for MM.
Quite nice to have thread-browsing activity info, as I was going to leave. Shame on me that I ironically have incognito mode on while saying this.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
YOU can be scum, and chanel me miz all think that
eh, from your point of view, I guess that is fair
Quote:
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
i wud never vote w martin..
Have you considered my point on him locking himself out of a victory, though? Like, do you see a counterpoint to this?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
-vote ChannelMiner
MM's vote target has my vote, as stated I'm never voting for MM.
Quite nice to have thread-browsing activity info, as I was going to leave. Shame on me that I ironically have incognito mode on while saying this.
For information's sake, what do you think of my reasons to vote CM here? If you have time to just quickly say it that is