the kid griefers in sc2maf isnt considered griefers, these are the people who ruins sc2mafia.

So arrow just told me people that comes at you, killing you n1, lynching you for no reason because they know who you are (colored name etc) is not griefing and its normal, not against the rules.

then what in the hell is griefing if we allow people to ruin games for others by coming at them with -prefer jailor and exec'ing everyone u dont like N1 and yaya admins love those people apparently.

im told its My fault for triggering people who Sucks at this game when i just play normaly.

what the hell? Not my responsibility for what Other people do. start banning people who breaks the rules, ruins the game instead of veterans who are good that doesnt do anything wrong.

jesus. where is the logic?

the worst people in sc2mafia are

n1 - Hackers
n2 - People who exec you n1, game ruined, leave or watch, you are done. (lynch d2 etc aswell)
n3 - Skypers
n4 - Lag cheating
n5 - give away your teammate names
n6 - abuse mayor/marshall to lynch people you dont like
n7 - leave train
n8 - spamming chat like a maniac and completely throwing/Trolling
n9 - leave early for no reason many times

and then its like lowest of the lowest category that isnt even considered a problem to the game and doesnt impact it as much as EXEC'ing you N1 does.

Try to survive as mayor without revealing, saying ur mayor, talking like a town. not even rules against that. Not a problem at all, town vouched to lynch someone claiming mayor, their fault.
blabalbabla so far it just looks like fanatics wants to make up stuff thats not a problem and say hey its a problem cuz i dont like this guy.

And dont get me wrong, mods do say we allow griefing and exec'ing you n1 multiple times and say in chat we're gonna grief you right now, exec n1 in the save setup with sc2name, those r being ignored cause you use colored name so they know who you are. i mean they sit there allowing griefing cause hey you triggered that person or whatever and its my fault now that they Come up, ruin your game multiple times so you cant play. seriously, time to give these griefer kids some WL instead of excusing them as normal gameplay and we love them they make the game better!

A Philosophical discussion about the ethics and morality of this question I'm not interested in. Yall can do it and don't let me stop you from it.

But I do have 2 opinions on this that have nothing to do with the question itself:
1)If you make the choice to pick a name that people recognize it is you - then you have to deal with the consequences.
1.1)If you don't like the consequences and argue against them - then you are actively searching for trouble where there is none. You have the choice of "being a new person" every game. You make your own trouble.

2)There have been many many many players who consistently played with the same names. Some were loved and some were hated by the other players. The fact that the players hate or dislike you is a YOU problem. Nobody else has caused how the other people feel about you.


Edit: half of that OP wasn't there before I started making this post.... why....fucking...

Griefing is against the rules, people who are griefing shall get banned and you cant excuse it with "he had colored name i knew who i was haha oh thats soul eater im gonna smak him n1 for 10 games in a row"

wow yeah totally my fault what he's doing.

seriously, ever been at a police station or actual justice? you know how law works? yeah you cant excuse your actions. if you grief people ur up for a ban and thats that, that how it should work but somewhy isn't here with mature and proper people who rather wants those people around to keep griefing haha those colored name dolts better stop using that!

back to school logic like this heres some examples

This guy had it coming for him he knew he would get punched by a girl okay. so he did something rude to the girl and she punched him. that girl would still be charged for assault. u cant excuse assault, u cant excuse Shit.

100% of what you do, is on you. thats how the law works. i punch her, oh but she triggered me so its okay i knew who she was she has colored name ahahahaha its okay to break the rules if he has colored name. yeah no.

Get rid of people breaking the rules and save the game.

It isn't griefing to kill who you want when you don't have any solid reason not to

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It isn't griefing to kill who you want when you don't have any solid reason not to

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dude, trialing someone as town saying they are evil and guilting and they end up as town = against the rules cuz u had no reason to random him

jailor cluelessly picking someone day1 to kill and exec, = even less reason than the guy above.

guess griefing doesnt exist now

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Griefing is against the rules, people who are griefing shall get banned

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If you want to be technical about it, then you're correct.
one of the examples of griefing shown in https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/announcement.php?f=6 is "2) Targeting a player because of their SC2 identity regardless of actual evidence"

Offtopic: for some reason, the descriptions (or whatever is the correct english word) of rules on that page are different than on https://sc2mafia.fandom.com/wiki/Rules
I wonder which one is the more official one :thinking:

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dude, trialing someone as town saying they are evil and guilting and they end up as town = against the rules cuz u had no reason to random him

jailor cluelessly picking someone day1 to kill and exec, = even less reason than the guy above.

guess griefing doesnt exist now

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You misread my post

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You misread my post

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All you said is that jailor exec n1 cant be griefing.

griefing is targetting the same person alot of times, griefing is going against the same dude all the time. if you do it as jailor, as godfather, as SK, as arso, as whatever, its still griefing. cuz ur reasoning to kill him is griefing reasoning which is "me no gusta this guy so im gonna ruin his game"

and thats what griefing is. its not less griefing if you are SK or evil, if you choose to kill him because "griefing" aka targetting that guy you know who is, and you want to kill him every game. and when you do that many times cuz thats one of the worst things in this game to die n1 thanks to griefers, they are reported with many demos around the same time period so we know they have gone against the same person all the time, they get WL.

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dude, trialing someone as town saying they are evil and guilting and they end up as town = against the rules cuz u had no reason to random him

jailor cluelessly picking someone day1 to kill and exec, = even less reason than the guy above.

guess griefing doesnt exist now

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Random killing and Random Lynching is part of the game. But, as I QUOTED in the post above - you ARE correct.
So, I guess, what you have to do is to get PROOF of their reason for killing you. And, together with actual quoting of the rules, no mod has a choice but to punish them no matter their moral standings.

So all you need is:
1) proof of their reason (them admitting it)
2) quote the appropriate part of the rules if the mods don't agree it's punishable.

But regardless though - griefing is LIGHT punishment. Nothing to waste your time on tbh. (though, on the other rules page it says MEDIUM, go figure =.= )

The rule "Targeting a player because of their SC2 identity regardless of actual evidence" is generally interpreted as "targeting despite of opposing evidence". "Regardless" is somewhat misleading I guess.

But yes, in every situation where you do not have evidence, which does include almost every night 1, you're free to kill who you want.
The game itself wouldn't work otherwise.

Don't pick the same goofy special color name every time and people won't target you. Aren't you the one who picks Mayor and then trolls the town all game?

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All you said is that jailor exec n1 cant be griefing.

griefing is targetting the same person alot of times, griefing is going against the same dude all the time. if you do it as jailor, as godfather, as SK, as arso, as whatever, its still griefing. cuz ur reasoning to kill him is griefing reasoning which is "me no gusta this guy so im gonna ruin his game"

and thats what griefing is. its not less griefing if you are SK or evil, if you choose to kill him because "griefing" aka targetting that guy you know who is, and you want to kill him every game. and when you do that many times cuz thats one of the worst things in this game to die n1 thanks to griefers, they are reported with many demos around the same time period so we know they have gone against the same person all the time, they get WL.

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You have the choice to pick a more inconspicuous name, right?

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The rule "Targeting a player because of their SC2 identity regardless of actual evidence" should say targeting despite of opposing evidence. "Regardless" is somewhat misleading I guess.

But yes, in every situation where you do not have evidence, which does include almost every night 1, you're free to kill who you want.
The game itself wouldn't work otherwise.

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Yeah, that "Regardless" is really misleading. Someone should correct it.
cough @Arrow cough

I am so glad I got to one of this guy's threads before it gets locked.

This shit is hilarious.

Griefing is light stuff?

One of the Worst things that can happend to annyone in SC2Mafia is to be killed n1 by jailor or annyone and when this happends because someone targets you because they know who you are thats a very serious offense.
Its not light stuff, its worse than skypers. skypers cant do much like ruining your game n1 and you having to watch/leave. ur game is 100% of sc2mafia experience. the other people will get to play just die later on. their game isnt totally wasted like yours were when dying n1.

and to kenny you said it was okay to abuse a system message in the game and troll people. so yeah.

Evidence for potentional griefing is when you die, to jailor n1 exec very very often by the same person withing short time, kills also counts by same person within same small time period it proves he targets you first and he knows who you are.

and one way to confirm bias is that when you use "default sc2mafia name" vs using "colored name" see how often the same person "jails and execs you n1" i think u get the idea now?

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I am so glad I got to one of this guy's threads before it gets locked.

This shit is hilarious.

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@Stereo
The price for shitposting here is 1 meme GIF per post.
https://media.tenor.com/images/5f160...7b14/tenor.gif

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Griefing is light stuff?

One of the Worst things that can happend to annyone in SC2Mafia is to be killed n1 by jailor or annyone and when this happends because someone targets you because they know who you are thats a very serious offense.

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If only there was a way to avoid it :thinking:

But yeah, I agree that Griefing shouldn't be "Light" offense. But, hey, it's listed as "Medium" on that other page. ;)



Aaanyhow. Can you imagine for a second what it would be like if it was like what you are wishing for?
Suddenly - players could TRAP other players and get them banned, by being rude to them and then report them for griefing after they "retaliate". I think it's completely fine as to how @Kenny described it. As long as there is no opposing evidence - killing anyone for anything is on the menu. After all, on BOTH pages it says the same - trolling becomes griefing when it becomes purposeful gamethrowing. Bad plays aren't necessarily gamethrowing. Plays opposing actual evidence is gamethrowing.

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@Stereo
The price for shitposting here is 1 meme GIF per post.
https://media.tenor.com/images/5f160...7b14/tenor.gif

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we did have a guy with proof of saying he was gonna grief someone and then did it.
guess what, its invalid and ignored cause we love those people according to 2 admins so far.

duh nice story with the admitting stuff, thats why im saying admins here r biased and needs to fix their bs. blaming others because of colored name.

So far, arrow allows griefing if you use a colored name or name that people knows who you are. which is just bs, allowing griefing. we cant have that and need to get these griefer kids to learn they gotta stop griefing.

and thats why i made this post.

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SoulEaterR chooses the name Mayor and is a Mayor in slot #1. This replay is a mess. Moon didn't play well, but honestly #1 didn't play well either. Both players fueled each others' rage. Claiming Jester during a trial before revealing as Mayor was needlessly risky. If this replay were submitted alone, I would ignore it. But as part of this set of replays, it shows that Moon habitually ignores town leadership.

A note for the reporter: If you want to avoid situations like this in the future, I recommend that you stop using the name Mayor and preferring government roles. This can make players angry at you, making the game less fun for everyone. I also recommend that you avoid making accusations against trolls (such as saying that they're skyping). That just reinforces the negative environment that trolls try to create.

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So, what are you going on about again?

ozy and renegade both saying its okay to grief people aslong they have colored name and i know who they are. eh...... oh thats yeah go and kiill em n1, every game, as much as u want, its not griefing cuz i know who they are apparently, thats the rules here now boi go live with it.

nice, allowing griefing cause "reasons". totally what we need when most of the playerbase is 12-18 year olds who just goes after ppl who triggered them.

Well in short ur saying its allowed to break the rules (grief people) if they have colored name that you recognise.

u realise what ur saying right?

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Playing a game with skypers is a bajillion times worse than being killed n1 by jailor. It seems the premise of your thread suggests the opposite, which is false.

The other trouble with this thread is that "griefing" isn't well defined. Try to explain the situation without using the word "griefing", and it gets a lot harder to be the victim in the situation. Griefing, to my knowledge, is a blanket statement.

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Playing a game with skypers is a bajillion times worse than being killed n1 by jailor. It seems the premise of your thread suggests the opposite, which is false.

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nope cause ur game is over, the others still gets to play just maybe forced voting and stuff. not worse than having game ruined n1

see, if we could change ur sc2mafia to die n1 or play with skypers every game. which one would you want? yeah i know exacly which one it would be. one forces you not to be able to play the game, the other, you can still make a change and outperform skypers lmao. been there done that.

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@Stereo
HOW DID YOU KNOW?

Guys dont get me wrong here now, its allowed to grief people with colored name and im just saying, thats alot of bullshit. if people grief they have to stand for their actions.

so far ur just telling me i can grief whoever i want aslong they have colored name, killing him n1 everygame, prefer jailor, time to kill this colored name again oh yeah cause thats allowed.
nope, thats alot of BS that needs a change, people who grief regardless of "pathetic excuse" needs to get warned and then banned if they continue.
thats all im saying and im sure alot you guys agree with that. too much gibberish and small talk in between that makes 0 sense.

do u guys not know killing people n1, their game is ruined, its over and when you do it many times to the same person on purpose thats just sad and pathetic and whoever does that should get banned for it. dont say its allowed cuz you used colored name...... thats just bs. allowing people to cause so much damage over some excuses, meh step it up guys!

Getting killed happens. If nobody died (through night murders or lynching), why even bother playing. A person's involvement with the game being taken out is not cause for dramatic restructuring of the game, it is a major point. You only get 1 life, and you don't know who you can trust. You don't know if the people you can trust are acting in your best interests.

If you choose a colored name, you attract attention to yourself. When you attract attention to yourself, people notice. When people notice you, they start picking up on trends. If you are having consistent issues with this, approach the game differently. This isn't the fault of the community, it is you wanting the community to play around your in game identity so you can feel special. No one or role is special in Mafia since everyone dies, one way or another.

You are the common denominator in these instances. The problem starts with you. You are the person who keeps getting killed night 1 by would-be griefers. You are inviting this behavior onto yourself by doing the same old shit. You are the only person who seems to have consistent issues with this. It's almost as if you are inviting this behavior so you can point, wave, and scream, "See! LOOK! I told you so!"

You don't see Renata, Wally the Witch, and whoever else chooses the same colored names coming on to the forums to bitch about being targeted.

Play smarter. The game starts as soon as you load in, not on Day/Night 1.

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so far ur just telling me i can grief whoever i want aslong they have colored name, killing him n1 everygame, prefer jailor, time to kill this colored name again oh yeah cause thats allowed.[/COLOR]

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Quote please.

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everyone has been saying that so far, jailor can just exec n1 cuz he got no reason not to by kenny.

ozy and renegade says its ok to grief its your fault for not changing name.

just read the replies i dont have to tell u this, its all right there for their defence against griefing people with colored name.

Accusing me of endorsing griefing? What am I a CHOOO clan member? I don't think so.

The onus is on you to stop using the same name over and over.

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Accusing me of endorsing griefing? What am I a CHOOO clan member? I don't think so.

The onus is on you to stop using the same name over and over.

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I dont really care. here is how this works

So i play alot, alot of people knows me so they know my colored name.

Okay, so thats what i get for playing alot and i play good too, the better i play, alot of the evils when i am marshall and whoop alot, calls me hacker alot of the time, all the time people starts hating and what did i do, sometimes i play bad and only lynch 1 evil, usually because 1 guy doesnt pm any role and is a town, absolutely nothing just playing sc2mafia normaly.

and because of that i cant just be ordered to not use my regular and fun name that i like to use. i can say i am mayor too as much as i want and be sheriff, i get more protection by bodyguard for it thats good enough for me to try to survive the best way i can as town. and i think its fun, mafia is about lying to victory there isnt a rule that towns must speak the truth. and from there its up to town what they vote.

idk but triggering people by not breaking any rules and not gamethrowing and simply playing normaly isn't against the rules. im not doing anything really people just dont like good / bad people many times and or gets upset when they lynch a town then blames the town guy.

I used to call you renegadus and went along with you in game and lobby, and no clue why ur triggered bruh.

and you did say that, change name or get griefed is what you said earlier. thats what it means to say just change name to the "we need to ban griefers who target colored names which is what this article is about" change name or else what? yeah exacly.

SO what I am hearing is:

Soulleter:
-prefers gov roles
-uses same name over and over, with special color added flair to stick out even more
-gets mad at others when they use this information against him

Something doesn't add up....

Adding to this conversation:

There is also totally an option to disable name selection.

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There is also totally an option to disable name selection.

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Goofy people are gonna leave-train that.
And setups with no gov too.

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Goofy people are gonna leave-train that.
And setups with no gov too.

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I certainly wouldn't join a game in which I don't have the option to name myself Kenny Smelly.

Bad example, but an example nonetheless. :thumbsup:

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everyone has been saying that so far, jailor can just exec n1 cuz he got no reason not to by kenny.

ozy and renegade says its ok to grief its your fault for not changing name.

just read the replies i dont have to tell u this, its all right there for their defence against griefing people with colored name.

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Ozy and renegade aren't staff. Quote please.

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i get more protection by bodyguard for it thats good enough for me to try to survive the best way i can as town.

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Sounds like you get killed n1 sometimes, and others you get bodyguard protected. Seems like a fair trade off to me.

We’ve had this thread like 3 times already. Stop replying to him... it’s pointless

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I used to call you renegadus and went along with you in game and lobby, and no clue why ur triggered bruh.

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I don't really recall. Listen I understand your frustration but the solution is very simple, and completely within your hands.

It's just an aspect of the game, special color names get more attention, and people who reuse their name get more attention (especially if they are known to prefer certain roles).

Either side will use any information they can to win, and knowing a player's behavior is useful information.

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I don't really recall. Listen I understand your frustration but the solution is very simple, and completely within your hands.

It's just an aspect of the game, special color names get more attention, and people who reuse their name get more attention (especially if they are known to prefer certain roles).

Either side will use any information they can to win, and knowing a player's behavior is useful information.

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I agree. I do think there is a valid point about continually executing a player for their name not being ideal, to say the least. However, it really is true that once a name gets associated with a certain meta, using that name again and again forces that meta-knowledge to enter gameplay (sort of like how even fake spoilers are bad because you put the thought in their heads).

No way of knowing if Kovath and Renegade are right in that soulleater gets killed because of the information people have on him (he prefers gov roles and sucks at it, hard), or that soulleater is right in that he gets killed because people hate him.

Me personally, I would totally kill him N1 as Jailor for both reasons, but not as Mafia or Neutral xD.

And I'm pretty sure that no :town: lynches him when he is confirmed. Though lynching a no-counterclaim government is a bit controversial. But that was the same as this - he created his own trouble and then came to forums to...(words are hard).

Anyhow. I wish I was staff just so I could close this thread. People are literally guessing for what he is getting killed. For being disliked or for their own win condition. And it doesn't even matter as long as there aren't people lynching on purpose someone who is confirmed. And even that would belong in the report section.

Only constructive thing that came out of this - we learned that someone should really clean up the rules descriptions. :D

I would like to add to this...

When I was a staff member, I punished individuals that target someone because of their name or without valid proof. I would say, the player is playing not to win but to ruden the structure of the game because of wanting to be a troll and ruin it for their team. Now, I had always advised the reporter that the technique of choosing the same name every game isn't that good to have. But if someone is trying to vote you off just because of personal reason than it's not about the gameplay but instead personal revenge.

Is it true, colorful customizable names are typically are evil. Of course, so if you're one hundred percent right about someone targeting you because it's just you, then I would say it's griefing because the player isn't playing to win but wanting disrupt the game and play to lose.

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So arrow just told me people that comes at you, killing you n1, lynching you for no reason because they know who you are (colored name etc) is not griefing and its normal, not against the rules.

then what in the hell is griefing if we allow people to ruin games for others by coming at them with -prefer jailor and exec'ing everyone u dont like N1 and yaya admins love those people apparently.

im told its My fault for triggering people who Sucks at this game when i just play normaly.

what the hell? Not my responsibility for what Other people do. start banning people who breaks the rules, ruins the game instead of veterans who are good that doesnt do anything wrong.

jesus. where is the logic?

the worst people in sc2mafia are

n1 - Hackers
n2 - People who exec you n1, game ruined, leave or watch, you are done. (lynch d2 etc aswell)
n3 - Skypers
n4 - Lag cheating
n5 - give away your teammate names
n6 - abuse mayor/marshall to lynch people you dont like
n7 - leave train
n8 - spamming chat like a maniac and completely throwing/Trolling
n9 - leave early for no reason many times

and then its like lowest of the lowest category that isnt even considered a problem to the game and doesnt impact it as much as EXEC'ing you N1 does.

Try to survive as mayor without revealing, saying ur mayor, talking like a town. not even rules against that. Not a problem at all, town vouched to lynch someone claiming mayor, their fault.
blabalbabla so far it just looks like fanatics wants to make up stuff thats not a problem and say hey its a problem cuz i dont like this guy.

And dont get me wrong, mods do say we allow griefing and exec'ing you n1 multiple times and say in chat we're gonna grief you right now, exec n1 in the save setup with sc2name, those r being ignored cause you use colored name so they know who you are. i mean they sit there allowing griefing cause hey you triggered that person or whatever and its my fault now that they Come up, ruin your game multiple times so you cant play. seriously, time to give these griefer kids some WL instead of excusing them as normal gameplay and we love them they make the game better!

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Crybabies like you motivate me

This is not about killing someone n1, its about killing the same player every game n1 and ruining his games on purpose.

There are two reasons players kill you night 1:
1) They want to kill you
2) You are letting them know who you are.

Both of those reasons are your fault.

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There are two reasons players kill you night 1:
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2) You are letting them know who you are.

Both of those reasons are your fault.

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using "me" is an excuse.

we change over to "everyone" thank you. griefing isnt simply excused and thats that. saying u can just grief people as much as u want, f uck up their game, kill em n1, exec all the time, just cause they got colored name see now ur allowing it. no we dont want that toxic ideology here.

people who grief needs to get punished for said action. u know how the law works right u cant excuse doing something wrong on other people.

read this kenny.

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Guys dont get me wrong here now, its allowed to grief people with colored name and im just saying, thats alot of bullshit. if people grief they have to stand for their actions.

so far ur just telling me i can grief whoever i want aslong they have colored name, killing him n1 everygame, prefer jailor, time to kill this colored name again oh yeah cause thats allowed.
nope, thats alot of BS that needs a change, people who grief regardless of "pathetic excuse" needs to get warned and then banned if they continue.
thats all im saying and im sure alot you guys agree with that. too much gibberish and small talk in between that makes 0 sense.

do u guys not know killing people n1, their game is ruined, its over and when you do it many times to the same person on purpose thats just sad and pathetic and whoever does that should get banned for it. dont say its allowed cuz you used colored name...... thats just bs. allowing people to cause so much damage over some excuses, meh step it up guys!

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and i just proved how being killed n1 is one of the worst things that can happend to you in sc2mafia next to hackers, your game is forced to be ruined, shut down, u gotta watch or leave its game over.

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using "me" is an excuse.

we change over to "everyone" thank you. griefing isnt simply excused and thats that. saying u can just grief people as much as u want, f uck up their game, kill em n1, exec all the time, just cause they got colored name see now ur allowing it. no we dont want that toxic ideology here.

people who grief needs to get punished for said action. u know how the law works right u cant excuse doing something wrong on other people.

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Ok.
There are two reasons players kill someone night 1:
1) They want to kill, as that is part of the game and lowers the amount of opponents
2) They find out who their target is, again giving them an edge in the game

Killing is not griefing.

you know ur killing someone by lynching them too.

so if none of those are griefing then whats griefing, something way less important and minor than getting someone killed? hmm didnt know that. news to me

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you know ur killing someone by lynching them too.

so if none of those are griefing then whats griefing, something way less important and minor than getting someone killed? hmm didnt know that. news to me

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I'm not really one for punishment-related inquiries but a definition we're commonly given is:

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Crime: Griefing
Griefing is similar to trolling, but actually results in the game being ruined. This is trolling taken too far.

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I encourage you to check out examples of such behavior (both from this year) here and here.

You can find additional examples publicly available as well.

It's important to point out that in both these examples, the griefing players are:

1.) Excessively trolling, with little regard towards who.
2.) Still mechanically playing in an acceptable fashion.

If you drop the second point, your end result is usually game-throwing and the second example shows how closely related the two can be. Despite this, communication comes in different forms and it can be a tricky area to define what is actually excessive trolling or negligent rhetoric. A largely deciding metric for examining this is often the outcome of the game.

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But to be honest, much of that doesn't apply to your post from what I see. Griefing doesn't appear to be what's happening here.

We're aware that there are roles in the game like Jailor and Vigilante that can remove players from the game and I understand it can feel bad. But unless you can prove beyond reasonable doubt that they were game-throwing by killing a confirmed role for example, they could simply have been playing to win.

Simply put: They don't know who you are, unless you let them know. This could be your name, your colors, a tag you use and rarely -- the syntax you use.

I feel like I've played enough Mafia (EpicMafia, real-life Mafia and Forum Mafia etc.) to say that the SC2Mafia map give you more freedom over your identity than almost anywhere else. It even points this out on the loading screen. You're a new person, unless you choose not to be.

the definition for griefing in the sc2maf rules needs an update. https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=...4dUDCAo&uact=5

griefing is hitting on other people and ruining for them on purpose.