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Intense. My first serious scumread ends up basically confirmed town. Almost maddening how little information there is to go off of, but high pressure because a single misyeet at this point could cost us the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
I might like a more chill game next time tbh.
He was getting on my fucking nerves so he caught flack. I wasn't making a great case against him so other people weren't gonna sheep it and if they did they would be scummyQuote:
Originally Posted by Helz
Unknown v Martian 1 Dragon Head
Naz v Renegade 1 or 2 scum
Naz, Frostbyte, Unknown, Martian, Renegade 3 scum
Martian lynch solves Unknown at cost of likely town BD
Unknown lynch solves Martian, Resolves Butler CC, and sheds light on Renegade v Naz while confirming Renegade v Naz by night acitons
Naz lynch resolves Naz v Renegade although doesn't clear Renegade at cost of potential detective
Renegade lynch resolves Naz v Renegade although doesn't clear Naz at cost of unlikely locksmith
Frostbyte lynch resolves nothing but Frostbyte. (@Frinckles)
I feel like Unknown should mechanically be the lynch because it is most likely from given information as well as it solves the majority of the game. No lynch is preferable to Martian lynch imo with Martian being easily verified by Detective peek if we are willing to trust Naz and Martian case being Tinfoil.
I also think we should be more solid as a town before entering night on night actions with the amount of slots we can solve from coordinated night actions. If we don't want to go that route given that Wifom protection is lost thats cool but we should all be on the same page about it. Right now if we went into night the night actions would be whatever people felt like and we couldn't hold a player to an action because town coordination is so poor.
Bare (bear?) In mind we had the oberon play so we had to roll with what we got. But its been fun regardless. Wasn't around for when you played back in the day but welcome back.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattZed
anyway I'm hammering in 5 minutes
or matt can hammer
Please don’t hammer I’m readin my car at the phone store I want to read
Broken phone messages send bad
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Originally Posted by Helz
Justin Case you missed the questionQuote:
Originally Posted by FrostByte
I think you're scum protecting Martin at this point. I could excuse some of your play recently as you being drunk on the weekend, but at this point I can't buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helz
How in the world are you calling Martin's case "tinfoil" when I, a confirmed town, have made it several times beyond mere speculation?
-vote MartinGG99
No yeet just hurts town. I think you're likely CA and want a no yeet to be able to get your night action off.
Also your PoE is bad. It is totally possible for Naz and Renegade to both be town.
-unvote
For Unknown, who I really think is town.
Helz you said you would reread me a while ago and I don’t believe you’ve ever really looked at my claim and given you want to lynch me it feels odd that’s something you wouldn’t do
The only way to justify Martian is to leverage his read while ignoring all the rest of the information in this game. His case is tinfoil because it requires a seeded busdriver CC D1 to be the DH while ignoring the CC between me and Unknown and the case I presented on Unknown.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattZed
Honestly if I didnt have you peeked I would scum read you for constantly pushing to kill the BD which is the greatest threat to the Triad winning through night actions while also being a claim thats verifiable through night actions. I feel that lynching Martin is a bad move.
Okay I don’t really have much to add and sending posts will be kinda hard until I’m home
Renegade why do you still think Martin will flip town
FrostByte you said I was throwing around reads earlier with no thought about it and now you’ve switched so I would like to know what made you rethink
I don't know anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
I spent hours reading you. It wasn't even just reading you I was reading you in context to Yzb and I stopped when I found what I presented at the end of yesterday. I did not post it because it felt like I was just grabbing stuff and pointing to how it could mean you are not town which I hate. When I noticed that you had a potential conformation of Martin being scum and didnt include it in his read I trashed it all and just built off that logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
I can only say thats why I didnt play to the end of D3. I was pretty pissy about spending that much time and coming to a conclusion I felt had you lock scum just to have that ripped out from under me in-spite of it not making sense within the OoO
If I were TownHelz, I'd see 5 possible scum teams:
Martin+Unknown+FrostByte (with FrostByte Triad Any)
Martin+Unknown+Renegade (with Renegade Moulder)
Martin+Unknown+Naz (with Naz Spy)
Martin+FrostByte+Naz (with Martin DH, FrostByte CA, Naz Spy)
Unknown+FrostByte+Naz (with Unknown DH, FrostByte CA, Naz Spy)
For townHelz, most of the remaining setups have Martin AND Unknown as scum. Giving an extra night, ESPECIALLY IF NAZ CHECKS NOT THE CA, gives us much more room for error.
By "much more room for error" I mean "it's a lot more likely we mess this up."Quote:
Originally Posted by MattZed
Helz who do you think is triad with me because Matt makes a good point
You are ignoring that I am a Butler and Unknown claims Butler in a world where thats very doubtful while Martins CC is doubtful for a scum DH play. The claims very heavily point to Unknown ImoQuote:
Originally Posted by MattZed
Unknown's crumb by voting yzb in his first post is much more valid than any "seeding" I see in Martin. CC'ing a BD who looks vulnerable makes a lot of sense: If Martin DIDN'T CC, we'd have a a CONFIRMED TPR. Waaaay too much towncred has been given to his CC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helz
You, Renegade, FrostbyteQuote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
Im not sure why that option is excluded in Matts options list.
Renegade I built a case on, Frostbyte had some very fucked off pushes on Matt even when Frostbyte had the knowledge that Matt was 100% town and you because I doubt 2 butters is a thing while also believing Martins claim over yours.
I need to drive so I won’t be around for a bit
A vote means nothing though. Thats not even a crumb.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattZed
I would encourage the town not to cut the day short. Let these interactions happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unknown1234
Who's the CA in that team? Can't be Unknown, because no one else can be DH. Can't be Renegade, because we have someone doing locks, and it can't be FB because he visited one personQuote:
Originally Posted by Helz
i have my hammer typed out in another tab lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Helz
Thats actually a fair point. I have to think about this.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattZed
YOU'VE BEEN SUGGESTING WE YEET UNKNOWN BY POE BUT YOU'VE HARDLY THOUGHT OUT POE!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Helz
I'M YOUR CONFIRMED TOWN AND I TOLD YOU WHAT THE POSSIBILITIES ARE AND YOU JUST IGNORE IT.
WHAT IS GOING ON, HELZ?
Yeah, My list is absolutely not possible. I have to be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helz
Do you mind if I wild out
A little?
'Cause I'm just a little drunk
And I wanna come party with you
A little
Are these song lyrics or your original poetry?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
im gonna do the thing in 2 minutes
I fucked off for 2 days. Is what it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattZed
Like I said earlier I kinda function off challenge and when I dont feel challenged I kinda stop giving a shit.
:chickenwings::chickenwings:
Why not wait for Unknown to post first? Whats the rush?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
engaging hyper-drive
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Originally Posted by Helz
-unvoteFor what its worth. I have to be wrong.
@Helz , if you're town:
SHEEP ME. SHEEP ME NOW.
We are not going to get anything out of Unknown in time that is changing today's result. If you've given up, then GIVE UP AND FOLLOW THE CONFIRMED TOWN.
SmugPepe bruh
I will hammer but give Unknown time to talk.Quote:
Originally Posted by MattZed
Getting this yeet to happen is like herding cats.
This is goofy.
Unknown has the most posts in the game, I and TOWNREAD him from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helz
You're not going to get a chance to wait. Frinckles is hammering if you don't.
Hammer now.
Did Helz bind himself to Martin or something???
I really want to see him hammer Martin and prove this true.
On the most basic level the Unknown vs Martin is mechanically 1v1. Every other 1v1 is subjective. I do not see how my reads can function without a Martian DH after what Matt pointed out so that is what it is.
But there is still no rush to end the day. I will also note that Martian v Unknown can easily be WvW
helz unconfirmed thinks he gets to hammer
hahahaha