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Can you have a balanced forum mafia game with private prefers? I don't see why not. The upside is that players get to play what they want. And the only restriction would be that you can't hint at what you preferred or if you actually preferred or not.
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It would be an interesting experiment for sure. I suggest allowing people to talk about prefers and whatnot. It can prevent very skilled players from ruining games by preferring really strong roles.
I let Mike "prefer" a 3p role in my first hosted game.
The context and details of that are debatable
but I think we all know the reaction was bad
I believe that if people are signing up for a game, they usually believe that an option to "prefer" doesn't exist and if it is given to one player it must be given to everyone. But idk how that would work out if say 80% of slots prefer a PR when PRs consist on like 35% of the game. It also allows for some very funky meta into game discussion that I'm not sure everyone would enjoy.
I mean, if we had all games from now on have a prefer function, then @Renegade wouldn't stop hunting Mike as an alleged 3P just because Mike alleged that what he asked of me he asked of many other hosts and never got a positive response.
meh, random is best
I have let players prefer citizen in the past if they have a busy schedule. This has been multiple different players under multiple different circumstances. I did it myself to someone else earlier this year, I think.
I think the issue with having a "prefer" system is that it adds in a layer of the game that isn't really conducive to forum mafia: player prefer meta. For instance, Mike likes to prefer evil roles every game? Lynch Mike because he probably preferred evil. It's against the spirit of the game.
I would allow it then give out the opposite desire
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Originally Posted by SuperJack
That is correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinGG99
player prefer meta is already a thing in the mod, why not in forum mafia?
I mean I don't play the mod but I think it would be fucking stupid there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
cuz the mod is a 10 min game and sfm is a week long dedicationQuote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
true random true skill
none of the autistic "omg i need instant gratification give me action now" mentality u know
That was like 5:00 in Moscow. I awakened by screams under my window. I seen some fight, nearly 4-5 ppl involved. First thing I did is called police. I am glad that that was just some drunk idiots, noone hurted seriously or killed. But my sleep was broken. I lie down, but I cannot sleep again, my head was like cracked with hammer with this rude awakening. I went too see what's going on here. First thing I seen is 6 votes on Baker with 4 of them townie for me. I said for myself "fuck it" and eneded that shit, push my PC off and go back to sleep, while policemen packaged that drunk guys under my window. Then silence comes, I slept for 8 hours nearly after.
Prefer in FM is a recipe for disaster.
strong agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Renegade
as always renegade you put the anal in analysis. i value your input.Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade
everyone: prefer vigilanteQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperJack
also everyone: gets citizen
some dude: prefer citizen
same dude: gets reality bender
> profit
:S can't tell if /srs or /s. sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
That's a hypothetical isn't it? Why would anyone prefer evil and announce that they did that game after game. Or are you talking about like person A noticing that person B was evil in the past 5 mafia games and then A announcing in game that B is evil because of out of game info?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
Also, would preferring work in an anon game?
It would bring the mafia game outside of the mafia game. While you read a mafia setup, you'll have an idea of what side you think has the disadvantage, what roles would be most fun to play etc. You may give away what roles you're inclined to prefer by how you talk about the setup in the workshop. Even if you think that's nonsense, ppl may attempt to glean such insight from your posts in the workshop. If you make posts in other threads suggesting you're v. busy with life rn or generally don't have your shit together, that's going to make it unlikely you -prefer a popular but critical 3p, meaning you can guess it went to someone else. What if two ppl had some massive, toxic argument? Perhaps one will try to prefer an alignment they don't expect the other to pick so they can enjoy pushing them in-game with less risk of forsaking their wincon. All of a sudden, you're reading through an incoherent argument about Trump to make a read in your FM game.
Fundamentally, preferences are a choice that is made before the game and is thus not directly a part of any forum game. Hence, it quite directly makes an OOG event very critical to your alignment, and makes every scrap of information about your OOG psychological state during the time of that choice relevant. I can prove this irrefutably to you - if you announce you love the idea of playing mafia in the setup in a manner people believe in the signups then actually -prefer mafia to the host, is that not a form of gamethrowing? Or at least a BL play - if it gets you sheriff-checked n1, I'd say it is. It's no less gamethrowing than taking a godfather hardclaim a tad too far in the actual game.
In practice, you'd hope the players would go easy on this kind of thing and not pounce on you for it. But ppl will inevitably be thinking about it. And you'll have to deal with that stress. Mafia is a game where, through our collective delusion, we can attach WIFOM to things that should be totally NAI. Now I've made this post, if I sign for a game with preferences, ppl are going to wonder if my workshop posts specifically could reveal something, even if they think it's a nonsense thing to read in general. After all, I just wrote this long post about it and perhaps have some insecurities. Not unreasonable, no?
See what I mean? It's inescapable.
Spoiler : oops :
p;edit my mistake. The last point now in spoilers is irrelevant. I somehow missed that you'd want to enforce a rule to prevent us discussing preferences or hinting at them. This gets into another quagmire though - what is hinting? A lot of things could potentially hint at what alignment you'd prefer. A lot of posts could be interpreted as dogwhistling reads based in preference to other players. A younger, more toxic me may have attempted that ngl XD.
let me break it down in simple terms
adults typically are more patient that children or childminded adults
a child, or childminded adult, has zero patience and expects, nay, DEMANDS, instant results
a child cant possibly play as a citizen for a game lasting longer than 10 mins, like the sc2 mod.
no, a child must have the ability to prefer a role they deem exciting or noteworthy, otherwise, why play at all?
prefer is cancerous, seems like itd be for children or childminded adults
note the word is "prefer" not "demand"
same principleQuote:
Originally Posted by Voss
I guess it can't be a forum wide thing for now.
I still think it could work for anon games though.
I think it could very easily work
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Prefer in SC2 gave spawned roles to people in ratio to their prefer power. It did nothing to force roles to spawn as people wanted.
With that in mind theres no reason it couldn't work very simply and easily. Although it would compound meta over time.
It sucks in the mod, too. I don't play it anymore either lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oberon
That being said, if someone wants to try it out by adding it to the rules of their setup, they may go ahead. I'm just not going to be the one initiating that, simply because I'm not interested... but if the idea interests people, go wild.
And to clarify, this is definetly not to be a forum-wide thing imo: the amount of out-of-game meta involved would be terrible, and everyone would have to make sure any shitpost related to the game of Mafia as a whole doesn't give clues on their preferences.
I always ask for jester You never give me jester you dont perfer lol ( BTW I respect you as a host for that) only one to ever let me perfer and gave me exe was Martian then Martian outed about it and BOOM it blew up lol .Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
Lol. This site is already extremely radical compared to other sites with the crazy PR heavy setups and strange mechanics like using a 'last will'Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
I like it more hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Helz
Indeed. It has been worse in the past, though... now I'd say we have a healthy amount of both classic and crazy setups to be unique and good. We certainly don't need MORE craziness in a new way though lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Helz