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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
How does having PQR do the kill instead of Auwt absolve the concern at all? You're not doing anything to lessen the risk of being caught, only having a different person be caught. Why are you assuming you know Auwt, on a team with PQR, would try to make PQR do the kill instead because he's worried about the lookout and doesn't want to get caught but instead go deep?
That's a very specific scenario that seems kind of dumb to me as you're just opening yourself to possibilities of interference for little to no benefit. I see scum having a veteran on the team just have the veteran do the kills, not "there's still a lookout and we want vet to go deep so let's toss the card sharp to do a kill tonight just in case!"
Unless you have some significant amount of experience playing with Auwt and think this is likely to come from him, this just looks like you reaching to justify a T/T scenario for if/when Pao flips green.
Veteran can't be sheriff checked. That's as simple as it gets. If someone is going to get caught, it ought not to be the one immune to sheriff checks.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
How does having PQR do the kill instead of Auwt absolve the concern at all? You're not doing anything to lessen the risk of being caught, only having a different person be caught. Why are you assuming you know Auwt, on a team with PQR, would try to make PQR do the kill instead because he's worried about the lookout and doesn't want to get caught but instead go deep?
That's a very specific scenario that seems kind of dumb to me as you're just opening yourself to possibilities of interference for little to no benefit. I see scum having a veteran on the team just have the veteran do the kills, not "there's still a lookout and we want vet to go deep so let's toss the card sharp to do a kill tonight just in case!"
Unless you have some significant amount of experience playing with Auwt and think this is likely to come from him, this just looks like you reaching to justify a T/T scenario for if/when Pao flips green.
Not to mention you are now trying to get Luona to vote Pao because... there's exactly one team possibility on which Pao could be scum from a Luona POV. (You don't even think MM is scum...)
You're not explaining why that team is likely for Luona to vote Pao, but asking her to vote, just because it exists. Guess I should vote you because there's 120 possible scumteam combinations you could be on, hmm?
Luona's opener as a relatively new player (at least to this site from what I have inferred) and immediately buddying with you for several days actually makes more sense if you two are paired since scum had no n0 or day chat.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
Luona's opener as a relatively new player (at least to this site from what I have inferred) and immediately buddying with you for several days actually makes more sense if you two are paired since scum had no n0 or day chat.
Is this a thing? Where does it say that?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Isn’t day over? Also, there is no way Paopan makes it to D4.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
-vote Loldebite
Nuff said
What
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
oliverz144
wow his readlist was like:
here are all ppl who voted me, there are 4 scum in it. Choose them yourself
if you call that analysis, you have very low expectations
This is sigworthy
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
Not to mention you are now trying to get Luona to vote Pao because... there's exactly one team possibility on which Pao could be scum from a Luona POV. (You don't even think MM is scum...)
You're not explaining why that team is likely for Luona to vote Pao, but asking her to vote, just because it exists. Guess I should vote you because there's 120 possible scumteam combinations you could be on, hmm?
I did explain why it was likely. MM has to be scum from her PoV, Paopan and Auwt have both been incredibly unhelpful, and PQR would be the reason there was no kill in an S!MM scenario.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Loldebite
Oh nevermind im actually retarded, we still have a day. For some reason i was conviced it had been two already...
I thought so too. I was hoping so actually. This damn day needs to end. I want Paopan’s head, one way or another.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Is this a thing? Where does it say that?
Is this a scum slip? I don't see this said anywhere in the OP or anything. Am I missing something?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
I didn't know scum had no day chat day 1 (though there's precedent; iirc scum had no day 1 chat in previous SC2 mafia games I played in)
This may be a game changer if true lol
This would explain why scum couldn't get a lynch off day 1. They couldn't coordinate their votes.
Even if this isn't a scum slip, Jmw thinks Me/Paopan is definitely S/T despite the fact scum couldn't coordinate day 1.
-vote Jmw
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Veteran can't be sheriff checked. That's as simple as it gets. If someone is going to get caught, it ought not to be the one immune to sheriff checks.
Or you just... attack where you think lookout isn't?
this is so weird, I can't follow this thought process
as scum why wouldn't you just... do your best to choose kills where you won't get caught or make sure the Lookout can't watch you?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Is this a scum slip? I don't see this said anywhere in the OP or anything. Am I missing something?
I asked Lag in my pm, but yes we'll call it a scum slip despite the fact I have already said this before.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
Or you just... attack where you think lookout isn't?
this is so weird, I can't follow this thought process
as scum why wouldn't you just... do your best to choose kills where you won't get caught or make sure the Lookout can't watch you?
You would. How do you not understand? But better safe than sorry. Get rid of the useless role rather than the veteran.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
I asked Lag in my pm, but yes we'll call it a scum slip despite the fact I have already said this before.
mmm
I haven't seen any solving based on this though.... When did you say it before?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I didn't know scum had no day chat day 1 (though there's precedent; iirc scum had no day 1 chat in previous SC2 mafia games I played in)
This may be a game changer if true lol
This would explain why scum couldn't get a lynch off day 1. They couldn't coordinate their votes.
Even if this isn't a scum slip, Jmw thinks Me/Paopan is definitely S/T despite the fact scum couldn't coordinate day 1.
-vote Jmw
It's not that hard to vote a town member.
Doesn't matter if there's coordination or not, anyone who hasn't locked themselves out of voting for an option can vote it. Scum would hammer a townie if they had the chance to do so.
And I've already explained why all the possible teams you've outlined in that scenario are impossible at worst to very unlikely at best. You and Paopan are never T/T.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
It's not that hard to vote a town member.
Doesn't matter if there's coordination or not, anyone who hasn't locked themselves out of voting for an option can vote it. Scum would hammer a townie if they had the chance to do so.
And I've already explained why all the possible teams you've outlined in that scenario are impossible at worst to very unlikely at best. You and Paopan are never T/T.
Coordination means a lot more than voting. It's who is the best target to lynch based off role; who you want to pocket, etc. It's a lot more likely for scum to get trapped on separate wagons without day chat. The fact you've barely ever brought it up despite apparently knowing for a while is very very strange. I didn't know this; I assumed scum had day chat d1.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
mmm
I haven't seen any solving based on this though.... When did you say it before?
I don't know I just remember saying it because I remember typing that D1 would be the best for analysis
don't make me search my own ISO please
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Even if you did get this information from legitimate means, the fact of the matter is a lot of your solving was not based on this. This is a VERY major thing. I do not recall seeing you talk about it before this.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
I don't know I just remember saying it because I remember typing that D1 would be the best for analysis
don't make me search my own ISO please
You don't need to. If you've only said it once, that's scummy enough. This quite literally changes the entire narrative of day 1.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
great now Gikkle's pushing me because I was more observant than he was
welp I'm not about to search my own ISO for something I've said, surely someone has the quote
we lynch either Gikkle or Pao here, and if our lynch flips green I shoot the other one.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Man so many slips, which one lied cuz mafia?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
great now Gikkle's pushing me because I was more observant than he was
welp I'm not about to search my own ISO for something I've said, surely someone has the quote
we lynch either Gikkle or Pao here, and if our lynch flips green I shoot the other one.
Where you got the information is not as bad as the fact it changes the entire perception of the day 1 wagon and everything surrounding it, and yet you've only mentioned it once, maybe twice? And I definitely don't remember it so it was probably some foot note you glossed over or something.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Man so many slips, which one lied cuz mafia?
Good question, why don't you do your part and tell us who you think are the scumbag liars?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
I mean Jmw think about this
Scum not being able to communicate for all of day 1 is a MAJOR thing. Like, in terms of vote count analysis? I'd expect T!Jmw to bring this up MANY times. The fact you didn't shows a lot about your intentions.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I didn't know
scum had no day chat day 1 (though there's precedent; iirc scum had no day 1 chat in previous SC2 mafia games I played in)
This may be a game changer if true lol
This would explain why scum couldn't get a lynch off day 1. They couldn't coordinate their votes.
Even if this isn't a scum slip, Jmw thinks Me/Paopan is definitely S/T despite the fact scum couldn't coordinate day 1.
-vote Jmw
WE FUCKED UP! Should have lynched you D1 or D2 but my townies are too indecisive!!!! It's over bud.
Bandit
You are aligned with the bandits. You win when all town aligned members are dead and at least one bandit aligned member is still alive.
You know the identities of all other bandit-aligned players, and may chat with them each night.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
WE FUCKED UP! Should have lynched you D1 or D2 but my townies are too indecisive!!!! It's over bud.
Bandit
You are aligned with the bandits. You win when all town aligned members are dead and at least one bandit aligned member is still alive.
You know the identities of all other bandit-aligned players, and may chat with them each night.
It actually being in the OP means nothing except that it isn't a hard knowledge slip. This is an intention slip by Jmw though, because he's never mentioned this before despite apparently knowing about it.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Oberon
when you take a chill pill and calm down from your bull-headed red haze pls read all I've posted and check the people I'm causing.
@Mike
when you’ve calmed down so I can actually talk to you like a human being lmk
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
How am I the scummy one for this? I'm pointing out a slip by Jmw!
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
WE FUCKED UP! Should have lynched you D1 or D2 but my townies are too indecisive!!!! It's over bud.
Bandit
You are aligned with the bandits. You win when all town aligned members are dead and at least one bandit aligned member is still alive.
You know the identities of all other bandit-aligned players, and may chat with them each night.
My brain is mashed potatoes, could you please explain what the scum slip is supposed to be.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I mean Jmw think about this
Scum not being able to communicate for all of day 1 is a MAJOR thing. Like, in terms of vote count analysis? I'd expect T!Jmw to bring this up MANY times. The fact you didn't shows a lot about your intentions.
Does it really?
Are my intentions to hide my team's discoordination during the first day by not saying it enough times?
(This argument is a fallacy, but) if I bring it up once or twice, is that considered scummy? How many times is MANY to where you'd find it townie?
Should I have put lag's answer in my signature just to make sure everyone can see it?
I'm not trying that hard this game my guy.
(And also, how have you not seen this implied in the OOO or asked about it yourself, as one who is known to ask mods a ton of questions and read into the setup heavily as both alignments?)
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
This indeed changes everything.
interesting, jmw
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
And yes i wanted to ask lag, but somehow didnt lol.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
I suspect mafia are Gikkle and one or more of Loldebite MM Oliver. I strike off Oberon here because he voted up Gikkle N1, although nothing is certain. Loledebite and MM makes sense with the weird RB and failure to heal Frinckles, plus my framing. BUT Loldebite voted Gikkle D2 so less likely than one of MM, Oliver. BOOM!
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
I’m very confused, where is the slip? It’s typical for Mafia not to share a night chat on n0/d1.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
@PQRnHack
do me a favor please.
Head to the N1 saloon chat, and search for "60 seconds".
Then, paraphrase what was said in the one post that shows up, and who that post was by.
@Mike
if you come online you can help me with this too.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
i think i remember jmw saying it before
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
It actually being in the OP means nothing except that it isn't a hard knowledge slip. This is an intention slip by Jmw though, because he's never mentioned this before despite apparently knowing about it.
You being scum knew that no day chat existed (or you should have read the setup like rest of us did). You accused jmw for knowing the rules why? Makes 0 sense other than to cast shade. BYE BYE SCUMMY
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Oberon
I’m very confused, where is the slip? It’s typical for Mafia not to share a night chat on n0/d1.
He thinks I've slipped because I know mafia had no d0 chat but he doesn't remember me saying anything about it, which must mean I never used it in any of my solving, which means I'm scum or something??
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
I don’t understand. The slip was made by jmw, but PHack is voting Gikkle? What?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jmw
@
PQRnHack
do me a favor please.
Head to the N1 saloon chat, and search for "60 seconds".
Then, paraphrase what was said in the one post that shows up, and who that post was by.
@
Mike
if you come online you can help me with this too.
I absolutely confirm that jmw read the setup and knew that there was no day chat. Not sure about N0, tho.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
You being scum knew that no day chat existed (or you should have read the setup like rest of us did). You accused jmw for knowing the rules why? Makes 0 sense other than to cast shade. BYE BYE SCUMMY
This is actually pretty convincing, but it’s not enough for me to vote Gikkle just yet. I’ll keep my vote on Paopan.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
jmw
Does it really?
Are my intentions to hide my team's discoordination during the first day by not saying it enough times?
(This argument is a fallacy, but) if I bring it up once or twice, is that considered scummy? How many times is MANY to where you'd find it townie?
Should I have put lag's answer in my signature just to make sure everyone can see it?
I'm not trying that hard this game my guy.
(And also, how have you not seen this implied in the OOO or asked about it yourself, as one who is known to ask mods a ton of questions and read into the setup heavily as both alignments?)
It shows you don't have the intention to solve the wagons. I have literally never seen you mention it. Apparently, according to the thing PQR quoted, it's EVERY day! That's huge! I would have thought, at the very least, that you bring it to attention at multiple points such that it becomes public knowledge. You don't even need to bring it up; even you talking about the wagons in context of this would have been enough. But none of your posts have ever given me that impression. It shows a lack of townie intention. I'm convinced you're scum now lol.
I don't have an active role, and this is an open setup. I don't need to ask questions nor do I need to know the OOO. Only thing I read were the roles I didn't already have a grasp on.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
Oberon
I don’t understand. The slip was made by jmw, but PHack is voting Gikkle? What?
O RLY? As per setup notes, mafia have a NIGHT chat. DAY chat is not possible!
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
You being scum knew that no day chat existed (or you should have read the setup like rest of us did). You accused jmw for knowing the rules why? Makes 0 sense other than to cast shade. BYE BYE SCUMMY
This argument makes no sense.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
I absolutely confirm that jmw read the setup and knew that there was no day chat. Not sure about N0, tho.
(That one post that you can search for mentions D1 and N0 explicitly, but Gikkle can't see that anyway)
This mechanic was literally part of my not S/S Pao Frinckles association. PQ and Mike can confirm, not that Gikkle cares. He just doesn't want himself lynched lol
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Usually if a N0 chat exists, host gives like 24 hours or some time for it to occur. So it is unlikely.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
If N0 exists, it also sometimes comes with ability usage. So Yeah I would say N0 is not likely, but we can confirm with host.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Let’s not hammer early please. This is an interesting development. Need time to think about it
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
I didnt knew it too lol, and never saw jmw saying it.
i always thougth the chat is always open.
is it open rn too?