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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
is it this simple????
I Did Suspect Oberon Yesterday..
PQ Was Clearly Trying To Pocket Me..
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Oberon Hasnt Posted That I Recall Seeing And Thats Slightly Unusual..
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Light_Yagami
Oberon Hasnt Posted That I Recall Seeing And Thats Slightly Unusual..
Well Today That Is..
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
This post is literally a bunch of nothing with no real thought behind it
Like the read explanations look like the most basic explanations ever
Oh, this is scum Gikkle. Cool.
I mean, maybe you just haven't seen the chat messages for yourself? Either way, to use a term from this site, put down the paint bucket.
There's nothing wrong with a basic read on a player I have no meta on from another site.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
"Tonally pure"
"Townie mindset"
"Mindmeld"
But what does any of this MEAN?
You're joking me if you're claiming not to understand what this means.
I explained clearly that Mike's postings made it seem like the was genuinely attempting to solve, which is a townie mindset.
You know what mindmelding is and I explained what we mindmelded on. Don't lie to me.
As for tonally pure, read the guy's posts yourself. You're smart, you can figure it out.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
NVM He Jailed Pao Pan.. My Mistake.. Fail In Memory.. Need To Install More..
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
@
jmw
correct me is i am wrong
I don't know if I can kill jailed people, but yes I was going to attempt to shoot PaoPan if he wasn't jailed. We both thought Oberon was going to execute him in our card sharp chat.
That said, even if I tried Loldebite said he's going to block me anyways so I didn't expect to actually get a shot off.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
-vote Gikkle
If this flips town we kill off the mayor.
But I don't think it does.
Gikkle jumped on my read and is questioning the terms I used, despite the fact that I've used (and seen him use) those same terms in other games. Especially mindmeld, there's a 0% chance that he doesn't know what I'm talking about there.
I think he saw an opportunity to make me look bad and took it.
Guess we're just waiting on Loldebite now?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jmw
-vote Gikkle
If this flips town we kill off the mayor.
But I don't think it does.
Gikkle jumped on my read and is questioning the terms I used, despite the fact that I've used (and seen him use) those same terms in other games. Especially mindmeld, there's a 0% chance that he doesn't know what I'm talking about there.
I think he saw an opportunity to make me look bad and took it.
Guess we're just waiting on Loldebite now?
And before Gikkle jumps on me and tries to argue semantics.
I explained clearly what we mindmelded on.
The townie mindset was clearly linked to the solving mentioned in the same sentence.
And moreover calling my read basic, lol. I'm tunneled now.
If anyone has a reason for voting outside of PaoPan/Gikkle today, I'd like to hear it. If it's good I'll consider it otherwise my vote is never leaving one of those two.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jmw
And before Gikkle jumps on me and tries to argue semantics.
I explained clearly what we mindmelded on.
The townie mindset was clearly linked to the solving mentioned in the same sentence.
And moreover calling my read basic, lol. I'm tunneled now.
If anyone has a reason for voting outside of PaoPan/Gikkle today, I'd like to hear it. If it's good I'll consider it otherwise my vote is never leaving one of those two.
Yeah, we lynch the guy loldebite roleblocked.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Gikkle and Paopan have had their occasional shitty line this game but I was hesitant to vote yesterday specifically because both trains kind of suck. And if your strategy is to offer a re-hash of what we LITERALLY DID FOR 72 HOURS ON DAY ONE, I think you need to reevaluate the situation.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Either or both of those two roles on a scumteam are fundamentally useless but either gets stronger by lynching the other. I don't see either are extremely scummy, I don't see the merit in lynching there.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jmw
-vote Gikkle
If this flips town we kill off the mayor.
But I don't think it does.
Gikkle jumped on my read and is questioning the terms I used, despite the fact that I've used (and seen him use) those same terms in other games. Especially mindmeld, there's a 0% chance that he doesn't know what I'm talking about there.
I think he saw an opportunity to make me look bad and took it.
Guess we're just waiting on Loldebite now?
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jmw
And before Gikkle jumps on me and tries to argue semantics.
I explained clearly what we mindmelded on.
The townie mindset was clearly linked to the solving mentioned in the same sentence.
And moreover calling my read basic, lol. I'm tunneled now.
If anyone has a reason for voting outside of PaoPan/Gikkle today, I'd like to hear it. If it's good I'll consider it otherwise my vote is never leaving one of those two.
Lol at Jmw jumping at my throat the second I cast any shade his way despite the fact I didn't even call him scum
Alright, lets clear some things up first. What you describe as "scum painting" was me calling out a poorly explained read, and I was prompting you to go more in depth with it.
Secondly, I am not expressing confusion as to what the terms mean. I was expressing curiosity as to how exactly they applied to Mike specifically. I was, again, prompting a deeper discussion.
I can say anyone is tonally pure or has a townie mindset. It's the easiest, most half-baked thing to say. I have done it before, indeed. Usually when I'm scum or when I'm too lazy to actually explain my full thought process.
As for the mindmeld, your explanation was "we both came to the same conclusion(MM is deepwolf potential and pqr was obv town). People come to the same conclusions all the time. That's not true mindmelding. True mindmelding is an almost exact same thought process that leads to a conclusion. So I wanted you to elaborate on that.
I mean dang Jmw, you pounced on me quick! You afraid of a little pressure? I'm fairly sure if you're scum, Paopan's your buddy, anywho. Probably means Mark is town as well just based off TMI from you. Not calling you scum, but, you know...
To put it simply, I called out your reads in that posts precisely because I have posted like that before, again, typically when I'm scum or just lazy. I was essentially asking you to go into more detail as to specifically what part of Mike's solving you found "tonally pure" or had a " townie mindset", or in what way did Mike's mind meld with yours as you came to the conclusion MM was a deepwolf and PQR was town. It was me casting some shade at you, yes, but I was in no way calling you scum for it, and was simply inviting elaboration in a pressuring way. This is evident in the fact that I entertained your MM deepwolf thought just a little later.
However, given how fast you got up in arms from the slightest bit of pressure from me, I do have to wonder about your motivations, because I thought it was pretty clear I was probing for deeper thoughts from you.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I'm fairly sure if you're scum, Paopan's your buddy, anywho. Probably means Mark is town as well just based off TMI from you. Not calling you scum, but, you know...
Mike, not Mark lol
Guess my brain went into auto pilot and wrote the other four letter name that starts with M that I know from mafia.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Mike, not Mark lol
Guess my brain went into auto pilot and wrote the other four letter name that starts with M that I know from mafia.
(Edited this post just to fix the broken quote, just fyi)
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
(Edited this post just to fix the broken quote, just fyi)
In the future if something is broken just leave it and repost a fixed version rather than editing
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
I would like to start a
scum!Auwt discussion.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Wait, an idea’s just occurred to me. If jailing is a perfect roleblock, I can just kee jailing paopan until someone dies, at which point we’ll know for sure he isn’t Godfather? Am I missing something?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Yeah, we lynch the guy loldebite roleblocked.
Who?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Either or both of those two roles on a scumteam are fundamentally useless but either gets stronger by lynching the other. I don't see either are extremely scummy, I don't see the merit in lynching there.
Lynching scum is powerful no matter how weak or strong their role is...
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I thought it was pretty clear I was probing for deeper thoughts from you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Gikkle
This post is literally a bunch of nothing with no real thought behind it
Like the read explanations look like the most basic explanations ever
Ah yes, clearly an attempt to prompt discussion.
Notice how you make my read look worse than it is first, then follow up asking what the terms mean after that.
I'm too lazy to wallpost back and forth with you so if you survive this dayphase I'll just shoot you tonight unless I get roleblocked. You're playing exactly how you play as scum.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Oberon
Wait, an idea’s just occurred to me. If jailing is a perfect roleblock, I can just kee jailing paopan until someone dies, at which point we’ll know for sure he isn’t Godfather? Am I missing something?
Read the setup, any bandit can perform the kill.
If PaoPan is scum he just has another buddy submit a kill.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
-vote auwt
he just follows paopan although he is the "main scum read" and "wouldnt mind a paopan train"
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
And perm jailing paopan, with no lynches, is nowhere acceptable
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Oberon
Wait, an idea’s just occurred to me. If jailing is a perfect roleblock, I can just kee jailing paopan until someone dies, at which point we’ll know for sure he isn’t Godfather? Am I missing something?
They assign their killer each night. They would have known you jailed him if he was scum and would have given to kill to someone else. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Oberon
Who?
idk, he hasn't told us.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
So I am at the end of page 21 and no one has ever mentionned the fact Paopan might have been last night bandit's kill target.
Let's look up at the option we have
MM (doc) healed someone : Very unlikely.
Loldebite (escort) roleblocked the right bandit : Very unlikely as well.
Paopan was attacked, but in jail got a night immunity : Makes the most sense to me.
As dumb as Oberon's night action might sound, he may have saved Paopan imo.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
I was referring to the fact Gikkle mentionned everyone of his possible scum mates apart from you.
Thus, I was not referring to the fact you were or were not present in this thread.
Doesn't matter much anyway.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Oh well looks like jailed doesn't give night immunity, dang.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
oh i did not consider the RB stoping the mafia kill True there is that. so we have a role blocked mafia or a doc heal mafia kill.
Or bandit faking to give them credit because they are part of their group.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I know. I'm just surprised at how conveniently Auwt figured your check & that Oliver would claim he was not attacked.
O b v i o u s
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jmw
No deaths d1 and n1 is pretty disappointing but at least we have PR info to work off of.
I vote we lynch PaoPan today and if he flips town I shoot Gikkle. If he flips scum I shoot someone on the Gikkle wagon, probably Auwt for suspiciously switching wagons when he initially was pushing Pao.
-vote NotPaoPan
Yes please, shoot me.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
The idea of a oliver/auwt/mike/light team "clearing" itself one the first night by not making a kill is absolutely hilarious though.
What kind of trickery this is.
Do you believe I would advocate a no-kill as scum considering how slow the game is running.
Booooooorrriiiinnnggggggg
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
It was in response to the lack of kills. But again, I have no idea what exactly Auwt was talking about. He painted a picture wherein his scumteam involved members of the Paopan train:
And again, he omitted Light and myself. I guess he built that scumteam based off of VCA and D1 reads.
Color-painting-time !
NotPaopan (7 [L-1]):
jmw, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light_Yagami, Marshmallow Marshall, Frinckles, oliverz144
Gikkle (5 [L-3]):
Auwt, Oberon, PQRnHack, NotPaopan (Mayor)
Light_Yagami (1 [L-7]):
Mike
PQRnHack (1 [L-7]):
luona
Simple right?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Assuming that's supposed to be a scum team... yes, I oppose it lol. From what you said next, it looks like this was from VCA, and I don't get it. I also don't get how putting me (doc) and loldebite (escort) in the same team makes sense. I also STILL don't get why the Gikkle wagon existed (not that he's towny, but ?????).
And I'm not sure why Paopan is still alive, both untouched by lynch and by @
Oberon. Were you roleblocked?
-vote NotPaopan
Is doc and escort mutally exclusive ?
I don't think so.
If you don't realize your train is motivated by scums well uh, that's because you might be part of them, got to assume.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Why'd you guard the scummy, never going to get killed by anyone but vigilante Paopan instead of literally anyone else? That makes no sense...
I would've done the exact same for the record.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Mafia members A,B,C,D.
They send C to kill Auwt.
Mafia C gets ripped to shreds.
Also now that I am thinking of it,
What kind of Veteran Bandit would just not carry out the kill, knowing the escort is in the opposing team.
That makes no sense for me to be in the bandit team unless bandit no kill which is definitely my friendly tenet.
I'm kinda confirmed.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
NotPaopan
Ah i see. KP handler is decided by RNG upon starting the game. Okay okay thanks for the clarification.
Am I misunderstanding this ?
Quote:
- Each night, one member of the bandits may kill a target player as a free action, in addition to any character actions.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Auwt
So I am at the end of page 21 and no one has ever mentionned the fact Paopan might have been last night bandit's kill target.
Let's look up at the option we have
MM (doc) healed someone : Very unlikely.
Loldebite (escort) roleblocked the right bandit : Very unlikely as well.
Paopan was attacked, but in jail got a night immunity : Makes the most sense to me.
As dumb as Oberon's night action might sound, he may have saved Paopan imo.
NOT POSIBLE
JAIL DOES NOT PROTECT
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
Ok I think Frinkles is town
My town core is Light JMW Frinkles PQRHack
Light Ok.
Frinckles Ok.
PQR Ok.
As for jmw, I hope you have some kind of a good protection before he backstabs you.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
Rof good point. I am happy i got seriff at start of game i was upset. but haveing this info is helpfull. I am suprised mafia is not tryingto discredit me? What is mafia doing???
They are too busy trying to discredit any push that hit Gikkle and their mates while open-wolfing Paopan.
Multi-tasking is definitely hard this way.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
Awut and mayor keep voteing togather.
Not that I find Paopan hyper towny,
However, I can't vote against a person whose train is consisting of 100% of the players I deemed to be bandits.
C o n s i s t e n c y
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
is it this simple????
It is really that simple.
Definitely : )
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
From my PoV
NotPaopan (7 [L-1]):
jmw, Gikkle, Loldebite, Light_Yagami, Marshmallow Marshall, Frinckles, oliverz144
Gikkle (5 [L-3]):
Auwt, Oberon, PQRnHack, NotPaopan (Mayor)
Light_Yagami (1 [L-7]):
Mike
PQRnHack (1 [L-7]):
luona
Once again, if I'm scum, why wouldn't have I carried out the KP?
My role would be perfect to do it, especially if you don't put the escort in the same team as mine.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Mike
but gikkle is more scummy than town. Am I wrong on Auwt , Mayor amd Oberon????
Yes ?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
My thoughts rn:
- jmw town lean. The no vig proofed this. He can be lying, tho
- luona town. She is just a noob like me, we are both rookies. I cant see luona faking town that good as a newbie. No hurting intented.
- mike and ly share their alignment.
there are 4 theoretical possibilities:
A) mike scum~ly town
B) mike scum~ly scum
C) mike town~ly scum
D) mike town~ly town
a. If mike scum, whats the point in confing a townie? None.
b. If mike is scum, he would have saved a scummate, which means ly is scum.
c. if mike is town, and he got a "scum allied" response, why would he hide it? Thats completely illogical
d. If mike is town, he didnt lie and got "town" response from ly, which means ly is town too.
all bussings etc. were neglected.
- pqrn town. Its a meta read, i see through my russian brother as clear as through empty glass. Impulsive, but good intention.
- frinckles is interesting. Voting and guarding the same person?!
what if jmw did the vig on paopan? Jailing doesnt prevent from death, read the set-up. If jmw would have done what his voting required to do, we would have got a real mess.
same goes for all the "good ideas for scum" and the "lolbit chooses the lynch"
considering the second: WHAT IF the mafia didnt decide to kill? Or YOU where attacked, and mm healed?
ive seen ai posts from both fractions, town and scum.
this almost always indicates a wolf trying to fake town behaviour.
- mm, The wolf (pun towards avatar).
you have been so towny. To towny to be a town? A deepwolf? Who knows...
- oberon. You are a null, and thats not due to lacking information.
you voted gikkle, which is ,in itself, interesting. However, you jailed the OTHER TRAIN! This again, makes no sense. Are you that "good" at creating reads, that your only possible scum reads are the 2 top wagons?
if so, WHY DIDNT YOU EXECUTE??!?!
wasnt sure. WASNT SURE??!?!?
i dont know what tn think about you. Looks like you are lost.
- loldebite. You are kinda, ugh, inactive. Every person, or should i say every TOWN, is interested in finding out whether they survived or not. You somehow dont.
tl/dr
the situation almost equals yesterday. No conf reads. But a lot more soup, swamp, milk, call it whatever you want.
no lynch d1, no kill n1. This can go on forever
and this remembers me of the unsolvable gordonian string salad. Only help is an "alexander the great" who takes out his sword and kills the knot.
(and this is a metapher for a needed kill/lynch)
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
jmw
-vote Gikkle
If this flips town we kill off the mayor.
But I don't think it does.
Gikkle jumped on my read and is questioning the terms I used, despite the fact that I've used (and seen him use) those same terms in other games. Especially mindmeld, there's a 0% chance that he doesn't know what I'm talking about there.
I think he saw an opportunity to make me look bad and took it.
Guess we're just waiting on Loldebite now?
This feels off.
Is that what you guys planned during this night?
Also important, Mike, did you tell who you'd check during the card party?
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
I would like to start a
scum!Auwt discussion.
I would like to close it, as per the main argument I brought up minutes ago.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
oliverz144
-vote auwt
he just follows paopan although he is the "main scum read" and "wouldnt mind a paopan train"
Sigh.
Once again, I do not necessarily believe Paopan to be extremely towny.
But with the present persons gathering in the opposite train, I rather join his ranks.
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by
Auwt
This feels off.
Is that what you guys planned during this night?
Also important, Mike, did you tell who you'd check during the card party?
Yes , but not confirmed. in other workds I let it in the air between oberon PRQ Hack and Light. SO no I did not give a confirmed check. d
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Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)
@Loldebite
who did you RB??????
I see you are reading this right now