ok so maybe I jumped to conclusions, I dont hate this as much anymore
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
i think this is what got wiisp killed
December 8th, 2019, 11:43 AM
naz
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
I'm inclined to agree but ill let others chime in tbh
MM makes the most sense here, I think.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
MM has echoed multiple people here retroactively and for all intents and purposed, buddied you.
As for SB16/MM // That's possible. I'd commend SB16 for saying he "didn't like" MM's post. But he could have explained why instead of telling us about the end of the day for some reason.
From the interaction-chain itself, if there's scum in those three I think Varcron is the least likely (really don't think this is bussing) and Magoroth slightly more likely than SB.
December 8th, 2019, 11:45 AM
naz
im tired
My Case on Marshmallow Marshall:
Spoiler : mm defending mag :
Post 15 MM randomly pings Mag for no reason for help:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Alright, thanks!
Stop thinking your fake American timezones are superior >=O
By curiosity, what's your stance on a policy lynch on
@Efekannn02
if he keeps behaving like that?
MM asks someone their opinion on a policy lynch on Efe (he said it was for reaction check in post 44) but I don't think I've ever seen MM do that as town. Pretty sure he's against policy lynches but it's been a hot minute.
MM Defending Mag:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
100% agree with Wisp here; also, Mag's meta strenghtens this argument. I think he's either the marksman or town.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Frinckles... Magoroth posted this after you talked about the "neutral out of the blue".... all what he did there was to say that Light had slipped because he said he was drunk, which is not exactly wise of him (because it's not rare or alignment indicative lol).
-vote Frinckles
I think that you are not honest in your pushes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
D-did you just blame Magoroth for playing like 100% town and for scum hunting? Because uh, while he did say he would do that as marksman, it's OBVIOUS that he'll do that as town too...... like, this is legitimately the worst reason you can scumread a player for lol.
I think this question to Mag is really weird:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
@Magoroth
, you're saying weird things. Are you a German in disguise who has a hard time speaking English? ;)
This quote is cut, in the full post MM is pushing Mag but not too hard.
Posts where MM defends SB16:
Spoiler : mm/sb team :
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Exactly. And you seem genuine as of now, so you get a free pass for D1.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Yeah, Stealth is very probably town here.
Think about the intent behind Varcron's post, though. Yes, the logic is not very good, but it is :
1 : not a big issue with him, given his other posts and
2 : not indicative of a scum alignment.
What is the benefit, from a scum point of view, to call a player scummy because they play like 100% town? You can't seriously believe that you'll pull a mislynch from that. I still think Varcron is town.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
And most importantly, SB16 contributed. Not terrific amounts of content, but still some. That's shady tbh.
And then Mag gets desperate at the end, pushing for MM and SB16 - i think because Mag knew he would flip mafia so he tries to bus his team mates so they get town cred:
Spoiler : mag's progression on mm :
MM goes from 99.9999995% town
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
I did notice it but didn't think to mention it until you pointed that out.
I do not think Light was soft-claiming that role, I think he merely slipped
-vote Light_Yagami
I also have a few theories on a few other players' alignments (I believe MM is 99.999995% town)
to scum:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
this post reads like cross-faction bussing
calling it right now, Frinckles/MM or Frinckles/SB16 = Mafia/Mafia or Mafia/Neutral
to town:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
the only one I want today is Varcron. MM is a townreaed for me (or he's scum with Frinckles but I presently don't think Frinck is scum)
stays town:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
MM is town right now for me.
I don't think it's Frinckles or MM atm.
then scum again:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
Lawyer/Varcron team?
:thinking:
the only thing I can really piece together from this is that Lawyer/MM and Varcron/MM are never a thing
I think naz/MM could be a thing (? don't ask I couldn't explain this read it's just gut)
also I don't understand Wiisp's reasons for voting Light at all
then sb16/mm team:
Spoiler : mag pushing his teammates :
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
actually ya know what fuck it I'ma try this
-vote Stealthbomber16
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
hmm. thing is I would maybe see MM doing that as town as well, but him defending him is indeed quite shady, MM pockets me every chance he gets as scum
why do I think it's an sb16/mm team
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
can I get a vote on sb16/MM? I'm 100% sure it's an s16/MM team right now, thank me later, now sheep me so we find out who the other guy is :smile:
I feel like these two following posts are him outing the team:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
unless of course, y'all are scum with them. in which case, don't sheep me
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
I'm reading this as mafia MM thinking me to be his Marksman buddy (?) in which case there is indeed only one scum team
and it's what I've been planning all along, that's why I made that post about the marksman
get rekt nubs
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
dunno, MM has been defending me whilst stealth hasn't so I guess MM is scummier.
I'm fine with either
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
could also be an MM/Light team, given how heavily MM has been discrediting the idea
tbh, MM/Light/SB16 are all solid lynches
Quote:
Originally Posted by Magoroth
nope I don't accept the terms - the counter train is MM. he's always scum here defending someone who acted like a sniper. Defending is scummier than not, are you scum with him Wiisp?
Stealth trying to distance himself from teammate:
Spoiler : distancing :
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
-vote Marshmallow Marshall
For his attempt at pocketing me while also diffusing my train on Voltorb
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
My ability to reach the thread in the 4 and a half hours (!!!) until EOD is going to be extremely limited and I’m not sure if I feel comfortable moving my vote off of varcron atm. I could definitely see a Varcron/MM scumteam right now... it is very unsettling.
I think given the choice over mag or frinckles I’d rather have either of them still here.
Nothing personal this just smells weird
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16
If anyone is scum out of these 2 it’s MM
lmk ur thots
i'll read the mafia roles later im taking my dog out now <3
December 8th, 2019, 11:50 AM
naz
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
in sum:
i thnk we had it between 2 mafia yesterday, and sb as the third
kovath should be town for makng it RNG btwn two mafia
IMO
as of rn
..
thank u
December 8th, 2019, 12:16 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
@Magoroth
Screw You! You Actually Managed To Trick Me -_-
The play seemed so risky as scum that I thought it was more or less impossible... At least, now we know that there's either a dead marksman, or a dead mafia who asked the marksman to reveal. Probably the former, because it'd be suicidal to make that kind of play as one of the two "main mafias".
Sorry if this was already asked, but
@Huey The Long
are death descriptions representative of the way the target died?
Strangled during the night looks similar to the Light Raider's description, "puncture their throat". Just to make sure.
~~
Sorry for my relative inactivity, I got sick in the last days and could barely think =(
December 8th, 2019, 12:19 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
I knew Magoroth had been scummy through the day and had to piece together the case on MM from what I could read and what I was being told (which I took with a grain of salt).
The balance was not clear to me then, so I gut-went with the train whose voters looked less suspicious to me. Remember a THIRD of our slots are lurkers / nulls.
Are you reading MM and me as a scumteam together or not?
Yeah, kind of annoyed about the lurkers tbh
December 8th, 2019, 12:22 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
@Magoroth
Screw You! You Actually Managed To Trick Me -_-
The play seemed so risky as scum that I thought it was more or less impossible... At least, now we know that there's either a dead marksman, or a dead mafia who asked the marksman to reveal. Probably the former, because it'd be suicidal to make that kind of play as one of the two "main mafias".
Sorry if this was already asked, but
@Huey The Long
are death descriptions representative of the way the target died?
Strangled during the night looks similar to the Light Raider's description, "puncture their throat". Just to make sure.
~~
Sorry for my relative inactivity, I got sick in the last days and could barely think =(
Lol tbh
December 8th, 2019, 12:24 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
-vote marshmallow marshall
December 8th, 2019, 12:26 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Tbh our power roles need to out. This is problematic.
December 8th, 2019, 12:29 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: im tired
Quote:
Originally Posted by naz
My Case on Marshmallow Marshall:
Spoiler : mm defending mag :
Post 15 MM randomly pings Mag for no reason for help:
weird, but this is shit post time so ?
Post 35:
MM asks someone their opinion on a policy lynch on Efe (he said it was for reaction check in post 44) but I don't think I've ever seen MM do that as town. Pretty sure he's against policy lynches but it's been a hot minute.
MM Defending Mag:
I think this question to Mag is really weird:
This quote is cut, in the full post MM is pushing Mag but not too hard.
Posts where MM defends SB16:
Spoiler : mm/sb team :
And then Mag gets desperate at the end, pushing for MM and SB16 - i think because Mag knew he would flip mafia so he tries to bus his team mates so they get town cred:
Spoiler : mag's progression on mm :
MM goes from 99.9999995% town
to scum:
to town:
stays town:
then scum again:
then sb16/mm team:
Spoiler : mag pushing his teammates :
I feel like these two following posts are him outing the team:
Stealth trying to distance himself from teammate:
Spoiler : distancing :
lmk ur thots
i'll read the mafia roles later im taking my dog out now <3
Eww, some of the first quotes with Mag do look ugly in hindsight, mostly the one where I ask him if he's a German in disguise... Also, just saying, it's really unlikely that Mag was non-marksman scum. Me pinging him for "help" is far from being AI.
I'm not really for policy lynches in general when there's a better option, which there almost always is at EoD. However, I'm 100% in for discussing the possibility of it on early D1.
Have you ever seen me hard defend my teammate like this? No. And you probably won't see it so soon lol. I still stand by my high townread on Stealth (haven't read D2 yet but still).
Wasn't there a tie at EoD? Mag couldn't really know that he would die. I didn't think it myself.
Big thing there : You accuse me of being scum for defending Stealth, and accuse Stealth of being scum for attacking me. :thinking:
I still think that this case comes from town, because there was an obvious work of searching the posts and making links between them, even if they're wrong. + some points here. As long as you don't choo choo me :(
December 8th, 2019, 12:38 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
Magoroth flipped as disloyal - I believe that this includes the Irish person.
So, to think I am scum, you must believe that Magoroth was Irish, because I was the vote that pushed Magoroth over the edge. If we were full-scum-team together, I could have gone for MM, whose voters represented most of the people active at EoD. Same thing if Magoroth was sniper: why go for a (possibly) softing sniper over MM, when I would know that there was a sniper? Similarly, if I was sniper, why would I go for the person softing its existence?
Bussing is possible but way less relevant given what I said about MM. It's not too hard to chalk it up to last-hour flipping a coin or something to that effect.
Mag's bio doesn't exactly look Irish to me. This post makes total sense to me. Kovath prolly town too.
I ain't making friends by saying that, right...
So, by PoE:
:town:
Frinckles
Stealth
Kovath
Townish :
Naz
Varcron
Light
The others are either null or scummy.
December 8th, 2019, 12:40 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Again, our town power roles should just out. Otherwise, MM/Kovath is my lynch for today. Lynching lurkers on day two feels irresponsible.
December 8th, 2019, 12:41 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
To explain my EoD posts, I thought town vs town was the most likely scenario, with both being entrenched as the lynch targets. I was a bit exasperated at being the deciding vote (or not) between the two trains, especially when Wiisp voted elsewhere to express his true feelings or whatever. Recall that when I made my RNGesus post, Wiisp was still on MM with the votes tied at 4-4; I did not expect the unvote.
As for why I chose Magoroth, first part from LW:
-Why did I vote Magoroth over MM? I would have liked more time to think, and I figured Magoroth's slot was already somewhat tainted and more informative to flip. He was also being voted by people that were much less controversial among everyone than those on MM's train (imo), which is a slightly different angle. Still, I might have acted differently with another hour or two.
-Why not try to move the train to someone else? Because with so little time in the day, it was (a) not likely to happen and (b) would probably given the target no chance to defend themselves or claim.
I thought the train on MM, voter-wise, was less problematic, especially given that half of the MM train was composed of SB and Magoroth moving over after failing to get Varcron. This could be scum trying to force another lynch, for example. I never quite felt entirely at ease with Magoroth's play and reactions in the latter part of the day. When I defended his initial "problem statement," it was not to say that it towny - just that we didn't have enough to distinguish between the motivations at the time.
If you think I was in a scum team with Mag without him being sniper, why the hell would he do that?
@naz
December 8th, 2019, 12:42 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Again, our town power roles should just out. Otherwise, MM/Kovath is my lynch for today. Lynching lurkers on day two feels irresponsible.
Lynching townies feels worse, though...
Plus, D2 is exactly the time to lynch lurkers to avoid carrying them over to MYLO/LYLO, so that the choice is not a dice roll.
December 8th, 2019, 12:43 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Again, our town power roles should just out. Otherwise, MM/Kovath is my lynch for today. Lynching lurkers on day two feels irresponsible.
And hey, why in the world would the TPRs out themselves?? We're not in MYLO/LYLO, and there is no benefit to gain out of it.
NO.
December 8th, 2019, 12:48 PM
Huey The Long
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
@Magoroth Screw You! You Actually Managed To Trick Me -_-
The play seemed so risky as scum that I thought it was more or less impossible... At least, now we know that there's either a dead marksman, or a dead mafia who asked the marksman to reveal. Probably the former, because it'd be suicidal to make that kind of play as one of the two "main mafias".
Sorry if this was already asked, but @Huey The Long are death descriptions representative of the way the target died?
Strangled during the night looks similar to the Light Raider's description, "puncture their throat". Just to make sure.
~~
Sorry for my relative inactivity, I got sick in the last days and could barely think =(
Death Descriptions are representative, this death description was from a Factional Night Kill:
Quote:
German Night Kill at the Start of Day: [Flavour Text] You find [Insert Name] Dead in [Insert Flavour Text location] He has been [Insert Flavour weapon, will be different to all other deaths on this list] You find a letter in [Insert Name] pocket. It explains his life [Insert Bio]
December 8th, 2019, 12:48 PM
Gyrlander
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by naz
@Gyrlander
btw congrats on winning that lol tournament, what do u main ? :D
Thank you cutie <3.
I main support, mostly Yuumi although I can play many supports adequately.
December 8th, 2019, 12:50 PM
Gyrlander
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Anyone who actually thinks Magoroth was a mafia sniper needs to ask themselves a very simple question:
Why wouldnt he shoot?
Then he wasn't Sniper. Which means German Tunneller.
December 8th, 2019, 12:53 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Huey The Long
Death Descriptions are representative, this death description was from a Factional Night Kill:
Oh ok. That makes more sense anyway.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrlander
Then he wasn't Sniper. Which means German Tunneller.
He could have hit the Leader of the Defectors, since he didn't know his teammates... which is not really the best option, eh?
December 8th, 2019, 12:57 PM
Gyrlander
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Oh ok. That makes more sense anyway.
He could have hit the Leader of the Defectors, since he didn't know his teammates... which is not really the best option, eh?
Then better to do it when everyone is alive and there are less chances of hitting your teammates, don't you think?
He would never know his team anyway
December 8th, 2019, 01:02 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
Magoroth was clearly town at the end of the day.
If both of you are town, one of you played anti-town and that's not my problem. You flip today unless MM decides to play scummier.
Are you saying that Magoroth was tailored, and that he was town?
December 8th, 2019, 01:02 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrlander
Then better to do it when everyone is alive and there are less chances of hitting your teammates, don't you think?
He would never know his team anyway
He could have clues, especially with how he made it obvious to them that he was Sniper (assuming he was).
December 8th, 2019, 01:16 PM
naz
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrlander
Thank you cutie <3.
I main support, mostly Yuumi although I can play many supports adequately.
omg I met another gay guy from Spain who plays support too what a weird coincidence haha
December 8th, 2019, 01:16 PM
naz
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
MM I'll answer u later I'm about to drive home. Kabob is pooped!!
December 8th, 2019, 01:17 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Are you saying that Magoroth was tailored, and that he was town?
I'm inclined to believe so.
December 8th, 2019, 01:38 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by naz
MM I'll answer u later I'm about to drive home. Kabob is pooped!!
SAVE KABOB, THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE PRIORITY!!!!
Frinckles, I hadn't really considered that possibility... and it would make much more sense than him being marksman because it just doesn't feel like him.
December 8th, 2019, 01:41 PM
Gyrlander
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
He could have clues, especially with how he made it obvious to them that he was Sniper (assuming he was).
Then why not shoot someone Who you think is not mafia? Since he has clues on Who It might be.
December 8th, 2019, 01:56 PM
Kovath
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
naz, I get your point regarding Magoroth's read progression on MM, but I don't know if they can both be scum.
MM train got underway after Magoroth was already on 3 (maybe 4?) votes; Magoroth cast the second vote on MM after Frinckles and was then followed by SB and later Wiisp (much later). Magoroth held his vote there throughout the rest of day. It's not impossible, but that's basically saying that he (1) thought the MM train would never pick up enough to be a viable alternative and (2) that he was fine with MM being lynched over him.
December 8th, 2019, 01:58 PM
Marshmallow Marshall
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrlander
Then why not shoot someone Who you think is not mafia? Since he has clues on Who It might be.
Are you talking about God? :P
Well, they could be afraid of being wrong lol. However, I now believe that him being tailored makes much more sense.
December 8th, 2019, 02:08 PM
Kovath
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Frinckles's logic is incomprehensible to me.
Frinckles must believe that Magoroth was tailored town if he thinks I'm scum. Then we have the following four worlds:
Me town + MM town, Me town + MM scum, Me scum + MM town, Me scum + MM scum
But the Me scum + MM town world makes no sense, as then it was a town lynch regardless and I could have voted a lurker or done nothing with no controversy; ergo, there is no world in which I am a superior lynch to MM, and flipping MM would also be informative about my alignment if MM is town.
So, either Frinckles really badly wants to lynch me either knowing I'm not scum or just to generate new lynch targets, or he actually does believe I blatantly played EoD as scum screwing around in a TvT lynch.
December 8th, 2019, 02:22 PM
Kovath
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Also it'd be great to get more elaboration from Varcron beyond "I read Kovath's posts and I agree with Frinckles." It would help me "explain myself" as you've asked.
December 8th, 2019, 02:35 PM
naz
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
If Mag was really town, why didn't mafia just hammer him for a mislynch?
December 8th, 2019, 02:36 PM
naz
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
I don't think he was tailored and I could lynch Frinckles today
December 8th, 2019, 02:47 PM
Kovath
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by naz
If Mag was really town, why didn't mafia just hammer him for a mislynch?
It's possible both Mag and MM were/are town I guess? Only world I can see.
It is kinda weird that for the amount of people that agreed Magoroth was scummy-ish at least, votes were hard to come by and mostly ended up being from people not present at EoD.
December 8th, 2019, 04:20 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by naz
I don't think he was tailored and I could lynch Frinckles today
He was tailored.
He played badly as town.
He played badly as mafia.
You can pick, I'm going with the first. I shoot into the crowd of people 10/10 times as sniper.
December 8th, 2019, 04:23 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
Frinckles's logic is incomprehensible to me.
Frinckles must believe that Magoroth was tailored town if he thinks I'm scum. Then we have the following four worlds:
Me town + MM town, Me town + MM scum, Me scum + MM town, Me scum + MM scum
But the Me scum + MM town world makes no sense, as then it was a town lynch regardless and I could have voted a lurker or done nothing with no controversy; ergo, there is no world in which I am a superior lynch to MM, and flipping MM would also be informative about my alignment if MM is town.
So, either Frinckles really badly wants to lynch me either knowing I'm not scum or just to generate new lynch targets, or he actually does believe I blatantly played EoD as scum screwing around in a TvT lynch.
Assuming a tailor, our first two flips are likely useless.
December 8th, 2019, 04:34 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
And admittedly, I'm pretty fucking lost.
We need to rely on scumreading almost exclusively unless someone has a mechanical lead and only a handful of people are contributing. So I'm gonna park my vote on MM unless something changes.
December 8th, 2019, 04:34 PM
Stealthbomber16
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
Magoroth flipped as disloyal - I believe that this includes the Irish person.
So, to think I am scum, you must believe that Magoroth was Irish, because I was the vote that pushed Magoroth over the edge. If we were full-scum-team together, I could have gone for MM, whose voters represented most of the people active at EoD. Same thing if Magoroth was sniper: why go for a (possibly) softing sniper over MM, when I would know that there was a sniper? Similarly, if I was sniper, why would I go for the person softing its existence?
Bussing is possible but way less relevant given what I said about MM. It's not too hard to chalk it up to last-hour flipping a coin or something to that effect.
Or magoroth was the sniper. Which is still entirely likely.
Yeah that aged poorly as fuck ngl. Its looking like my reads were pretty much reversed
December 8th, 2019, 04:35 PM
Stealthbomber16
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Im down for the "Mag was tailored and MM is scum" train because it means I was right yesterday
December 8th, 2019, 04:37 PM
Varcron
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
It's possible both Mag and MM were/are town I guess? Only world I can see.
It is kinda weird that for the amount of people that agreed Magoroth was scummy-ish at least, votes were hard to come by and mostly ended up being from people not present at EoD.
Are you suggesting those present at EOD are scummy? that seems to be your connotation here.
December 8th, 2019, 04:43 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
I believe Light is somewhat scummy we well tbh
December 8th, 2019, 04:43 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
As well*
December 8th, 2019, 04:46 PM
Kovath
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varcron
Are you suggesting those present at EOD are scummy? that seems to be your connotation here.
Not sure how you reached this conclusion. There are multiple ways to read what I observed. Maybe scum parked their votes on Magoroth early and left. Or maybe the actual level of opposition to Magoroth was indeed much lower than it seemed from chat, and then one could proceed tentatively via isolating a group from which to pick some scum (as there were more than just the 3 + 1 scum players posting at EoD).
I'd also appreciate if you'd answer my question. Are you sheeping Frinckle's read on me or do you have any separate thoughts of your own?
December 8th, 2019, 04:49 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
Maybe scum parked their votes on Magoroth early and left.
I was considering this as well. Naz and the Lawyer gently pushing Mag stood out.
December 8th, 2019, 04:50 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
You can be town today, I disagree with your vote change significantly but there are scummier people.
December 8th, 2019, 04:51 PM
Varcron
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
Not sure how you reached this conclusion. There are multiple ways to read what I observed. Maybe scum parked their votes on Magoroth early and left. Or maybe the actual level of opposition to Magoroth was indeed much lower than it seemed from chat, and then one could proceed tentatively via isolating a group from which to pick some scum (as there were more than just the 3 + 1 scum players posting at EoD).
I'd also appreciate if you'd answer my question. Are you sheeping Frinckle's read on me or do you have any separate thoughts of your own?
I have thoughts of my own on some of your posts that lead me to think that you reek of scum, but we'll see how the day plays out from here.
December 8th, 2019, 04:55 PM
Frinckles
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
I really hope we have a vig and they make a nice kill tonight. Feel free to kill Light. Tbh
December 8th, 2019, 04:56 PM
Kovath
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Varcron
I have thoughts of my own on some of your posts that lead me to think that you reek of scum, but we'll see how the day plays out from here.
Okay.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frinckles
You can be town today, I disagree with your vote change significantly but there are scummier people.
I just stated why the world(s) you believe in make MM a MECHANICALLY better lynch, I still don't know what you're doing. You also had some weird logic day 1 when Othello-connecting me with Magoroth, as you gave Magoroth no towncred throughout the day except for that one post; this along with calling me towny fairly consistently and using that, in turn, to throw my name into the prospective-lynch-pile throughout the day.
December 8th, 2019, 04:57 PM
Kovath
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Okay, maybe not mechanically per se, but regardless the only one world in which I am better to lynch requires a -very- strong assumption about how I would play as scum.
December 8th, 2019, 05:04 PM
Varcron
Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang (12P)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kovath
Magoroth flipped as disloyal - I believe that this includes the Irish person.
So, to think I am scum, you must believe that Magoroth was Irish, because I was the vote that pushed Magoroth over the edge. If we were full-scum-team together, I could have gone for MM, whose voters represented most of the people active at EoD. Same thing if Magoroth was sniper: why go for a (possibly) softing sniper over MM, when I would know that there was a sniper? Similarly, if I was sniper, why would I go for the person softing its existence?
Bussing is possible but way less relevant given what I said about MM. It's not too hard to chalk it up to last-hour flipping a coin or something to that effect.
Isn't this what you're doing now? You are basically now trying to divert attention towards MM as you stated in this very post, basically making him the better lynch target.