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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
I think it is either you or DW. And I think the moment I start giving opinions is the moment I display my level of ignorance.
Don't take attacks as an implication of your ignorance. Assuming you're town then you're making your best effort to decide that, and that's all that matters. None of us can be omniscient other than the mafia, and they have to fake being non-omniscient, to not be all-knowing about alignments. That's the gimmick of Mafia, an uninformed majority against an informed minority.
Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Don't take attacks as an implication of your ignorance. Assuming you're town then you're making your best effort to decide that, and that's all that matters. None of us can be omniscient other than the mafia, and they have to fake being non-omniscient, to not be all-knowing about alignments. That's the gimmick of Mafia, an uninformed majority against an informed minority.
Erm, in other words, accept having some ignorance. Its impossible to avoid as town. And if you do feel you are ignorant, don't take it negatively.
Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020
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MartinGG99
If Grakylan is indeed mechanically town, then he confirmed Bakermir on n1 with his detective check. This leaves us with Helltanis/Drizzt popping up twice in the list above, and these are the possible scum (For me, anyways):
Auwt
Helltanis/Drizzt
Dallarian/Deathworlds
Looking back on the list, it seems that I would have to lynch you Drizzt[/MENITON], unfortunately. In either Auwt's or Dallarian/Deathworld's case, you must be scum. Only way you cant be is if one of the Town Any's rolled Citizen. In which case, that means lynching Grakylan.
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Woops, typo. Meant
@Drizzt
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Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Don't take attacks as an implication of your ignorance. Assuming you're town then you're making your best effort to decide that, and that's all that matters. None of us can be omniscient other than the mafia, and they have to fake being non-omniscient, to not be all-knowing about alignments. That's the gimmick of Mafia, an uninformed majority against an informed minority.
Well, after removing myself, as I know I'm citizen, that leaves DW on each of your possibility lists. Meaning, either you are lying, your lists are wrong, or you are right and DW is scum. Is my logic flawed? Cause thats what i'm going on so far.
Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Looking back on the list, it seems that I would have to lynch you @Drizzt;, unfortunately. In either Auwt's or Dallarian/Deathworld's case, you must be scum. Only way you cant be is if one of the Town Any's rolled Citizen. In which case, that means lynching Grakylan.
So its actually imperative for me to decide if a Town Any became citizen or not.
IIRC, we can afford 1 more mislynch before Lylo. Or we can skip a lynch, let mafia kill someone, and gain information that way. In which case, I think it may heavily rely on what Ash does on N2, because I predict with my list put out there they'll kill him.
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
Well, after removing myself, as I know I'm citizen, that leaves DW on each of your possibility lists. Meaning, either you are lying, your lists are wrong, or you are right and DW is scum. Is my logic flawed? Cause thats what i'm going on so far.
Well, technically, DW with Auwt is certainly possible. But I didn't think it was likely since they were well distanced on day 1, and Dallarian started that (the noob).
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Well, technically, DW with Auwt is certainly possible. But I didn't think it was likely since they were well distanced on day 1, and Dallarian started that (the noob).
Don't forget that I only included what I though was somewhat likely in that list. That only included DW + Drizzt. Otherwise, DW has no partner unless Grak is his partner and lied about being Detective.
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
So its actually imperative for me to decide if a Town Any became citizen or not.
IIRC, we can afford 1 more mislynch before Lylo. Or we can skip a lynch, let mafia kill someone, and gain information that way. In which case, I think it may heavily rely on what Ash does on N2, because I predict with my list put out there they'll kill him.
Well I promise I won't vote you for voting me if it comes to that lol, but I'd like to hear more from DW.
Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020
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Drizzt
Well I promise I won't vote you for voting me if it comes to that lol, but I'd like to hear more from DW.
Fair enough. im still trying to keep my mind open. you might not get lynched even if I wanted it because (as you saw in a past post) our decisions on who to lynch right now are reallly spread out.
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I actually might favor no lynch here. If we don't lynch, mafia kills someone (assuming they don't like the status quo), then we'll be at Mylo. We can still skip 1 more time then, but if we lynch instead then it must be a correct lynch. Otherwise, we can skip 1 more time, with 1 more mafia kill, and then it'll be Lylo.
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For me right now, death information might be what saves us.
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@SuperJack
Is self-voting possible and/or allowed?
Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
@
SuperJack
Is self-voting possible and/or allowed?
I ought to consider my own lynching as a possible action, if Death Information is what we need in order to catch the scum on a consensus.
Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
So I tried to get a list of all the possible (regardless of plausibility unless i thought it was really really unlikely) scum team combos, from my PoV:
Auwt + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen)
Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt
Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds
Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt
Dallarian/Deathworlds + Grakylan (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen)
Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt
Grakylan + Helltanis/Drizzt (For now not considered unless a Town Any rolled Citizen)
So, excluding Grakylan, this leaves:
Auwt + Helltanis/Drizzt
Bakermir + Dallarian/Deathworlds
Bakermir + Helltanis/Drizzt
Dallarian/Deathworlds + Helltanis/Drizzt
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
So what's your opinion on the possible scum combos that involve me? Personally I kind of see Martin + Grakylan (because of my baseless tunnel), i've been accused of or been suggested Martin + Auwt by Ash at one point on D2, and Martin + Dallarian/Deathworlds on mid D1 by Auwt. Its also been suggested early D1 for Zedus/Martin, but we all know that's not true since Zedus is dead.
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Oh and I supposed Helltanis/Drizzt + Martin is possible, but we both know we're not connected to each other. But the other towns don't know that.
Assuming whoever we lynch is town, then:
If I lynch myself, then we gain information that eliminates 4 possible scum combos.
If Auwt is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated.
If Bakermir is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated.
If Dallarian/Deathworlds is lynched, 3 combos are eliminated.
If Helltanis/Drizzt is lynched, 4 combos are eliminated.
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
Assuming whoever we lynch is town, then:
If I lynch myself, then we gain information that eliminates 4 possible scum combos.
If Auwt is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated.
If Bakermir is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated.
If Dallarian/Deathworlds is lynched, 3 combos are eliminated.
If Helltanis/Drizzt is lynched, 4 combos are eliminated.
Therefore, if we lynch, it should be me, MartinGG99, or Helltanis/Drizzt.
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MartinGG99
Therefore, if we lynch, it should be me, MartinGG99, or Helltanis/Drizzt.
This of course is following Info Lynch theory.
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
I ought to consider my own lynching as a possible action, if Death Information is what we need in order to catch the scum on a consensus.
This is the kind of balls on the table bullshit that makes me look hard at DW. We need to wait for his response.
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Drizzt
This is the kind of balls on the table bullshit that makes me look hard at DW. We need to wait for his response.
If we're not lynching me or you, and have to lynch someone else, then I have to go with you on voting Deathworlds. Because that eliminates 3 possible combos.
Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020
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MartinGG99
@
SuperJack
Is self-voting possible and/or allowed?
No