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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
For the record: I am fine shooting paopan, but we really need to formulate plans for secondary shots.
And my towncore peeps pls dont read this as "oh yea lets remove the useless scum mate and now we rule the world". What I mean is Pao's resurgence is really throwing off red flags, his arguments are insufficient. But I am also worried about a big train forming on him, my fellow LHF:
Gikkle, Stealthbomber16, Loldebite, hollowkatt
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Seanzie
I would rather vote MM here over SB16. Did you see why MM voted me? I ask you to please investigate.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
It’s extremely difficult to determine purposeful lurking from actual activity difficulties. I have never seen it work.
We can talk mafia theory post-game. I'd prefer to hear more from you in regards to the points I made earlier.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Seanzie
Agreed with the anti-town part, but not what is striking me, and know lots of towns who do this unfortunately (well... I've had to do it at times too, so I can't judge too harshly, but whatever, off track...)
Instead: Paopan wasn't really a big thing when HK left the thread. Paopan's readslist comes under pretty intense scrutiny relatively recently, HK hasn't read up but votes Paopan over the readslist?
it's sometimes better to be lucky than good. I dunno what to tell you. I went to sleep, worked, cooked dinner, all while mulling things over about the thread and what I may be missing. That reads list kept sticking out to me as manufactured. Like sure, sometimes people drop full list reads lists early, but most of the time it's just kinda ordered buckets, or brief thoughts like
seanzie - seems good
hk - meh
zeus - ok, but here's a caveat
yeah?
rarely does town produce a full list with "thought out looking" thoughts that early in the day b/c there's almost never enough information in the thread to really pull that together.
it's almost more the existence of the list in the format that it is in with the amount of thoughts it appears to contain that is the problem vs the content. Content may also suck
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
And my towncore peeps pls dont read this as "oh yea lets remove the useless scum mate and now we rule the world". What I mean is Pao's resurgence is really throwing off red flags, his arguments are insufficient. But I am also worried about a big train forming on him, my fellow LHF:
Gikkle, Stealthbomber16, Loldebite, hollowkatt
Maybe I’ve missed it but I’d like you to explain why I’m scum.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
189 pages. thanks, i dont have the energy for that. your argument is fair, but it frustrates me that we will fight while scum chew on popcorn. So much for Frinckles teaching me to focus on building a towncore (WHO THEN FIRE BACK AND VOTE ME!). I should just lurk next time. jeez. Imagine improving my game and increasing my participation and getting ownt as a result of my increased efforts. FEELS BAD!
maybe don't go trying to build a towncore on D1 then? Find some people you think are town, try to work with them, but building an entire "there are no wolves here" core either fails, or burns you. Just ask Frinkles whether or not early cores can bite you.
Hi Frinkles, I'm still sorry about that btw
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
@Seanzie
we need to be objective. I think your vote on SB16 was based on your interactions with him. I ask you to please ISO MM and check MM's vote on me. It's really bad in my view.
See https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...379#post956379
As it stands to me now, MM is a better corpse than SB16.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
I do not negotiate with terrorists. But you are my towncore, f'ing great to have more TvT. I wanted to see if a scumbag would try to hammer me. How difficult is that to understand? Seanzie was the 4th voter, but he is also my town dude. So unless I am misjudged, he ruined my ploy.
why would a scumbag be trying to hammer you now? I'm lost as fuck.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
what makes MM a wolf for you?
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
maybe don't go trying to build a towncore on D1 then? Find some people you think are town, try to work with them, but building an entire "there are no wolves here" core either fails, or burns you. Just ask Frinkles whether or not early cores can bite you.
Hi Frinkles, I'm still sorry about that btw
It's my first time having a D1 where I felt I identified townies. Your point is valid, maybe I am getting scammed. But the alternative tends to be worse (like past games where I vote folks like Frinckles and they turn out to be town and I had reasons but they ended up not being alignment-indicative).
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
what makes MM a wolf for you?
So you quote me but dont bother to read my link? THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WAS ALREADY ANSWERED!
And here is my other town core person being dumb. THIS IS FRUSTRATING!!!
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
why would a scumbag be trying to hammer you now? I'm lost as fuck.
and dumb as fuck. I said i would be dead if 1 more vote appeared on me (based on card whatever).
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
Maybe I’ve missed it but I’d like you to explain why I’m scum.
Tell me where I said you were scum. Nice extrapolation, bud!
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
maybe don't go trying to build a towncore on D1 then? Find some people you think are town, try to work with them, but building an entire "there are no wolves here" core either fails, or burns you. Just ask Frinkles whether or not early cores can bite you.
Hi Frinkles, I'm still sorry about that btw
No harm done. I didn't know how to play town back then, my bag has always been scum play.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
But now, I have mastered the scumtown-driftu. I am both town and scum simultaneously.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
But now, I have mastered the scumtown-driftu. I am both town and scum simultaneously.
So... you're saying you're scum?
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Seanzie
So... you're saying you're scum?
No, I'd tell you.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshalt
Could be scum based on tone, and his flip would be informative, so I'm placing my vote there until something more interesting comes up.
informative how exactly
everyone's flip but their own is informative and so I want to know what would make PQR's flip so informative for you
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
informative how exactly
everyone's flip but their own is informative and so I want to know what would make PQR's flip so informative for you
Oh look someone either read my stuff or resonated with my thoughts, instead of just going oi why MM scum to you?
Read my post https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...379#post956379
Yeah, I dont like MM's thread of thoughts AT ALL!
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
informative how exactly
everyone's flip but their own is informative and so I want to know what would make PQR's flip so informative for you
its getting closer to EoD so I might as well
@Marshmallow Marshalt
to help ensure they see it
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
@Seanzie
ITA time coming up. Where you at yo!
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
So I can kill people soon?
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Stealthbomber16
This irks me for some reason. I wanted… something? I feel like you should have some kind of stronger read or desire to leave your vote on than an inactive player who said they would be inactive by this point in the game.
I don't really have any substantiation to why I voted you other than I was hoping it might produce something useful since it was on someone who hadn't produced much yet to be read by
Earlier the Pao wagon (which my vote was on previously) disappeared and I didn't have the time to look into it, but overall today I feel like somethings off with the wagoning overall
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
@
Seanzie
ITA time coming up. Where you at yo!
It's an hour and a half from now. Paopan is top wagon, which I'm more or less fine with.
I did look at MM's ISO, and it didn't inspire confidence, but I'm also okay with where my vote is at right now. We'll see how the thread reacts as we get closer to Artificial Deadline 1.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
No, I'd tell you.
But like... you just did... you told the whole thread...
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
So you quote me but dont bother to read my link? THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WAS ALREADY ANSWERED!
And here is my other town core person being dumb. THIS IS FRUSTRATING!!!
Sometimes I like hearing answers in real time, I'm sorry that's an inconvenience to you.
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
and dumb as fuck. I said i would be dead if 1 more vote appeared on me (based on card whatever).
Yeah, and I said I didn't read a damn thing from the time I left last night till I came back this evening so yeah, an explanation instead of "wow you're dumb" would have been nice.
Kind regretting being in your town core
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Seanzie
It's an hour and a half from now. Paopan is top wagon, which I'm more or less fine with.
I did look at MM's ISO, and it didn't inspire confidence, but I'm also okay with where my vote is at right now. We'll see how the thread reacts as we get closer to Artificial Deadline 1.
Let the record show, Seanzie is content with vote on SB16 and letting others lynch/shoot Paopan.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
I don't really have any substantiation to why I voted you other than I was hoping it might produce something useful since it was on someone who hadn't produced much yet to be read by
Earlier the Pao wagon (which my vote was on previously) disappeared and I didn't have the time to look into it, but overall today I feel like somethings off with the wagoning overall
The Pao wagon is back now. if you don't have any reason to vote SB, are you thinking about moving, and if so, where to?
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
Sometimes I like hearing answers in real time, I'm sorry that's an inconvenience to you.
Yeah, and I said I didn't read a damn thing from the time I left last night till I came back this evening so yeah, an explanation instead of "wow you're dumb" would have been nice.
Kind regretting being in your town core
I kinda regret you being town! Get your stuff together please.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
Since I'm bored as shit and tired of lurking I'll insert myself into the thread.
I for one, believe Paopan is town. That said, it is apparent that scum likely cannot stop an ITA without some tomfoolery. So, naturally the inference is that I am scum protecting Paopan by noticing this and so the correct shot would be me. However it wouldn't be because I am town. And being town I will shoot my highest scumread. Which is of course the infamous bounty hunter, Boba Fett.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
Since I'm bored as shit and tired of lurking I'll insert myself into the thread.
I for one, believe Paopan is town. That said, it is apparent that scum likely cannot stop an ITA without some tomfoolery. So, naturally the inference is that I am scum protecting Paopan by noticing this and so the correct shot would be me. However it wouldn't be because I am town. And being town I will shoot my highest scumread. Which is of course the infamous bounty hunter, Boba Fett.
Why do you scum read Boba Fett?
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
So you quote me but dont bother to read my link? THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION WAS ALREADY ANSWERED!
And here is my other town core person being dumb. THIS IS FRUSTRATING!!!
I went and read the post you linked. I can see how I'd think it's a weird post. You seem to be trying to solve MM using "I am a villager" as your baseline for accusing him to be a wolf right? Can you see how you're literally the only one who would have that thought process though? Maybe that's why people aren't necessarily commenting on it, because they cannot take the perspective that you've taken here, and the major counter argument you propose is "But I can't be a wolf because I am town"
Hard to interact with, most just read it and move on.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
No harm done. I didn't know how to play town back then, my bag has always been scum play.
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Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
But now, I have mastered the scumtown-driftu. I am both town and scum simultaneously.
lol this does not fill me with the utmost confidence in you. But it's good to know.
And it's not like your town game was bad that game, I just weaseled my way in there is all. You were pretty much dead accurate on everyone else.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
I went and read the post you linked. I can see how I'd think it's a weird post. You seem to be trying to solve MM using "I am a villager" as your baseline for accusing him to be a wolf right? Can you see how you're literally the only one who would have that thought process though? Maybe that's why people aren't necessarily commenting on it, because they cannot take the perspective that you've taken here, and the major counter argument you propose is "But I can't be a wolf because I am town"
Hard to interact with, most just read it and move on.
Hard to interact with, indeed. What are you even talking about "I am a villager". This is so in outer space, i dont get it at all!!
3. You stated earlier that you don't have a high level of confidence in reading me (acknowledging your TvT failure in our prior game). My post looks fake, I think you are hinting that I am intentionally sounding happy because I am scum and am trying to act townie? Using town-optimal mech strategy *IS* solving, or at least allowing town to exercise its limited rights as the uninformed majority. And Sean's strat "just" makes the shots follow the will of the People? A pretty solid plan in my book.
4. You did not offer your own reads of my slot and went to comment on a) Paopan's comments on me, b) "assuming scum~PQ how does that look for Gikkle"[paraphrased] (implying scum~Gikkle is clearing scum~PQ), c) you move your vote away from RVS and vote me. So I am your top vote at this moment, why?
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Seanzie
Why do you scum read Boba Fett?
The countless Jedi he killed?
But besides that, unless something particular pops up, I have no problem removing slots that aren't active enough. And that's saying little of how I didnt like his lines in the first place.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
BradLand
yeeesh
can semantics about whether or not something is tunneling be really that important
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
The countless Jedi he killed?
But besides that, unless something particular pops up, I have no problem removing slots that aren't active enough. And that's saying little of how I didnt like his lines in the first place.
And to clarify, I can just use my ability to do this. I think I will.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
lol this does not fill me with the utmost confidence in you. But it's good to know.
And it's not like your town game was bad that game, I just weaseled my way in there is all. You were pretty much dead accurate on everyone else.
It never should. I play the same as both alignments. It's my ninja way. But the fact that I've clearly been in this threat, unmet by literally any sort of confrontation implies that I'm universally town read or scum doesn't want anything to do with me because they know I'll go to war. So, I want to shake it up a bit.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Let the record show, Seanzie is content with vote on SB16 and letting others lynch/shoot Paopan.
Do you think it's impossible to hold multiple wolf reads at the same time? He might be thinking Paopan is a decent shot to take and also want to push on SB16, why is this bad? I mean if I'm not mistaken you're still town reading him or has that changed in the last bit
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
I kinda regret you being town! Get your stuff together please.
harsh much?
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
Do you think it's impossible to hold multiple wolf reads at the same time? He might be thinking Paopan is a decent shot to take and also want to push on SB16, why is this bad? I mean if I'm not mistaken you're still town reading him or has that changed in the last bit
It will not change D1. I record notes for the future. I dont want us to lose to a ~10% chance that my towncore fooled me (yourself included).
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
hollowkatt
Do you think it's impossible to hold multiple wolf reads at the same time? He might be thinking Paopan is a decent shot to take and also want to push on SB16, why is this bad? I mean if I'm not mistaken you're still town reading him or has that changed in the last bit
I did not say anything was bad btw. Making a mental record of choices. But having such a non-resistant train D1 is always a concern. That is not to say Sean is bad.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
Since I'm bored as shit and tired of lurking I'll insert myself into the thread.
I for one, believe Paopan is town. That said, it is apparent that scum likely cannot stop an ITA without some tomfoolery. So, naturally the inference is that I am scum protecting Paopan by noticing this and so the correct shot would be me. However it wouldn't be because I am town. And being town I will shoot my highest scumread. Which is of course the infamous bounty hunter, Boba Fett.
Something about this doesn't sit right with me but I can't put my finger on it. Like the whole inference thing seems like a stretch to me, and if you're not widely wolf read why would the shot be you over paopan instead of you're the shot after paopan if paopan flips wolf?
But even then nobody expects town?Takumi to be perfect, so I just don't get it.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
-vote Marshmallow Marshalt
this is where it belongs
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
Takumi Fujiwara
It never should. I play the same as both alignments. It's my ninja way. But the fact that I've clearly been in this threat, unmet by literally any sort of confrontation implies that I'm universally town read or scum doesn't want anything to do with me because they know I'll go to war. So, I want to shake it up a bit.
this might be the first time I've ever seen someone seriously make an "I'm threadspewed town" read on D1 before. Nice.
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Are you joking? We are in the towncore! Tell me what vibes you have been getting from me. Do not let scum utilize your error as an opportunity.
idk why some people don't seemingly see it
but it is posts like these that I think have a level of innocence to them
maybe its just the simplicity and yet directness of it?
idk what else to call it
but I think this post is a good example of what I frequently feel in PQR's posts
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
in b4 someone tells me its PQR's wolf meta to spam that
which idk about
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
1 hour more and I can finally shoot someone
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Re: S-FM 338: Deck Mafia #008
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Originally Posted by
MartinGG99
in b4 someone tells me its PQR's wolf meta to spam that
which idk about
Eh, you shouldnt count on that, I would do that as a wolf. Also prepare for Martin+PQR team!