Critical Race Theory (CRT) and it's place in American race-relations.

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Originally Posted by Helz

So it took me a very long time to really dig into this subject and I kinda have split feelings on it. I do feel that raising awareness against discrimination is a very positive thing as well as spreading understanding, consideration, and tolerance for cultures and their predominate races which seems to be the overall objective of this 'practice.' So for the concept and what is trying to be accomplished I feel like its a good thing that could be implemented into education to tear down bias and promote equality.

At the same time though its implementation feels very racist to me. The majority of the speakers I saw giving talks on the subject seemed to promote a narrative of 'White people are ignorant, hateful, and racist' followed by arguments that entangle socio-economic status with racism (inappropriately). The latter is totally a thing but its one hell of a complicated subject I dont want to poke here.

This line of thinking I believe is a form of racism in itself I have been seeing spread around media. I had a conversation a week or two back about John Oliver on the subject. He seems to push the same narrative attributing all inequality and hate twards white people and even has started throwing the statement "Fucking white people" into his shows (The last statement in his bit on African American Hair and midway though his recent piece on Asians.) The people I talked about it with took the conversation a little sideways (and one of them reacted saying "White people can take it") but my point was that if you swapped out 'White' with any other race people would loose their minds. Its an overt attempt to spread a very derogatory racial stereotype and then flatly pushing an unambiguous racial statement that speaks to an effort to 'shift hate' instead of eliminating it.

I bring this up simply because this is what I see CRT being used to do. I feel like the concept is good but its being used for evil in a sense. The objective should not be to focus blame and justify a new and acceptable form of racism. Its been very interesting to me how blatant these racist arguments are and how difficult it has been to even talk about them.

All that said, I do not feel society can handle CRT appropriately yet and I think a portion of how society is discussing racism in general is creating a very toxic and racist narrative. Hate can not be cured with more hate and it was mildly upsetting to me seeing how many educated scholars on the subject were spreading such a toxic message under the guise of pushing for acceptance and equality.

A part of me is very curious to hear what some of you think about that message being pushed or how to even approach talking about it.

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Everything I wrote went poof when I had to relog. x_x give me some time sorry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3cGfrExozQ

Business Idea:
Make a weekly show where you slander a white guy for racism, in a similar fashion like Dr. Kent Hovind - Whack an Atheist Wednesday does with atheists for ignorance.
It's a business model proven to work so.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We should keep racism alive to make the world a more interesting place. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Everything I wrote went poof when I had to relog. x_x give me some time sorry

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Lol. I know the feeling.

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Originally Posted by OzyWho

Business Idea:
Make a weekly show where you slander a white guy for racism, in a similar fashion like Dr. Kent Hovind - Whack an Atheist Wednesday does with atheists for ignorance.
It's a business model proven to work so.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

We should keep racism alive to make the world a more interesting place. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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I would be surprised if that is not already a thing.

Sorry for yet another necro but for those interested this is probably the end point of my chasing this rabbit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StTilZ9WQYM

Dr Sheena Mason has truckloads of great takes on the issue and breaks down the nonsense I have been fumbling about and fucking up for years. The view of eliminating the subject also makes a lot of sense to me in multiple respects and I love that she frames the issue in a way that addresses the ideology behind it. More and more I find that is what I am actually getting at in my rambling ways..

Lazy me who doesn't really want to/have much time to watch the 21 minutes: So she's basically saying that racialism is bad because it's based on the flawed/nonexistent concept of "race" and is in fact just racism? Or am I projecting my own views on the bit of her words I've listened to?

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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Lazy me who doesn't really want to/have much time to watch the 21 minutes: So she's basically saying that racialism is bad because it's based on the flawed/nonexistent concept of "race" and is in fact just racism? Or am I projecting my own views on the bit of her words I've listened to?

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Honestly I am a pretty dense speaker. A lot of what I say is like.. information dense. Her piece there is probably as dense as you could speak without using truckloads of esoteric terminology. I think I have listened to this piece 5 or 6 times now and I do not feel capable of really covering the thoughts she conveyed. If you want a brief takeaway I would say listen from 10:00 to 12:00. That bit has a holy fucking shit amount of good takes I legit had to take in bites to unpack.

To your question she is arguing that the use in language and social structure of race is racism and that in context of social structures eliminativism practices actually work to destroy racism while reconstructionist, naturalist, and conversations positions end up perpetuating the issue.

Honestly it would be a huge task to unpack what she is talking about but holy fucking shit this girl nails racial concepts from like.. every angle. The philosophy, popular and historical takes, sociological, pragmatic.. Its all there.

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Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead

What? It's a field of academia. Things don't stop being academic because you don't like them.

I don't even give a fuck about cultural studies but it's overly pretentious and frankly really cringey and pseudo-intellectual to disregard entire fields because you disagree with the people practising them.



Can you provide evidence of that?

I don't know why you're arguing this. I've literally shown you direct evidence of the exact same thing happening in natural sciences and you're plugging your ears and saying "wahh wahh i don't believe you wahh wahh". This is a quantifiable and objective problem that exists in all of academia regardless of how much the existence of cultural studies hurts your feelings. Stop being ignorant and acknowledge the evidence I posted and maybe then you can finally start formulating a cohesive point.

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R*dditor detected

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Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead

I've told you exactly what my point is like 5 times and you still aren't arguing my point itself and just sobbing about an alarmist point you want to make, one which I never even brought up or disputed because I don't care about it. I'm not going to keep arguing with you, I suggest you learn how to read, and learn some basic debate and logic skills.

I'm still waiting for my colossal amounts of money. You wouldn't go back on your word, would you?

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This is a narcissistic response, all of your posts in this thread are exercises not in dominating and humiliating Oberon - who has not wronged you in any capacity.

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Originally Posted by Space Milk

This is a narcissistic response, all of your posts in this thread are exercises not in dominating and humiliating Oberon - who has not wronged you in any capacity.

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Why did you decide to read my posts from like 2 years ago you absolute loser lmao