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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
No idea what wine in front of me means beyond the actual spelling out of the acronym. My only read/advice for town is that when I die and you see I'm citz, assuming you get to know my actual role cause to be totally honest I've never seen what happens on d2, my contribution will be having died pointing both finger at you and those who have blindly followed your logic on scumming me.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM
It's impossible for everyone on your train to be scum. Who would you pick as the scum on your train and why?
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
Can't remember how to post images, but if you can imagine Elon Musk dropping a microphone then you'll know what I was trying to post.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
Drizzt if you're really town maybe you should provide us some reads, some post analysis, and not just be out to save your hide and fight with Snorlax.
It's also such a leap to say that people are blindly following Snorlax when multiple people have independently commented on your behavior throughout the game and many came to a similar conclusion.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
JealousTL
Drizzt if you're really town maybe you should provide us some reads, some post analysis, and not just be out to save your hide and fight with Snorlax.
It's also such a leap to say that people are blindly following Snorlax when multiple people have independently commented on your behavior throughout the game and many came to a similar conclusion.
If I had a read believe me when I say I would give it. Im simply unsure what I should be looking for. Next game I'll study the flow and posts and try to understand what I should be looking for, but repeatedly asking me for reads when I'm not sure what to say is like asking me to explain a differential equation calculation when I haven't learned algebra or long-division yet. I'm probably more of an impediment town, so my advice for townies is to look and analyze my point of view if/when you ever discover I'm citz. I think in death I will be more useful than in life, I'm just being honest.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
By the way he's talking right now and the fact that he is a "mod" player are similar to a town almost being mislynched. Therefore I conclude that he is not scum, but just a unlucky new player.
-unvote
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Gyrlander
By the way he's talking right now and the fact that he is a "mod" player are similar to a town almost being mislynched. Therefore I conclude that he is not scum, but just a unlucky new player.
-unvote
That does not explain the fact that he was PROVEN to be lying about his knowledge of the game.
He pretended to not know who Frog was. End of story.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
That does not explain the fact that he was PROVEN to be lying about his knowledge of the game.
He pretended to not know who Frog was. End of story.
How would you feel if someone was nice enough to help you out and the first thing you did was throw him under the buss when things got hairy. I'm not Hillary fucking Clinton who says WELL COLIN FUCKING POWELL said I could set up my own private server. If anything, my comment was purely out of integrity for his privacy.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
How would you feel if someone was nice enough to help you out and the first thing you did was throw him under the buss when things got hairy. I'm not Hillary fucking Clinton who says WELL COLIN FUCKING POWELL said I could set up my own private server. If anything, my comment was purely out of integrity for his privacy.
First part makes no sense. Saying "yo this extremely experienced player helped me out beforehand" isn't throwing anyone under the bus.
Totally unnecessary mention of politics, pls don't do that because it's likely to cause some off-topic discussion.
Your explanations keep changing and make no sense...as usual.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
Snorpax and second passing arent even trying to approach me as a town. They've prejudicially attacked me on several bases without attempting to determine my alignment.
The crux of their argument is that I'm claiming I'm new because I'm scum, not because I am new. Using that as an argument isn't just scummy, but because it's true, it means they're going for the easiest mislynch possible.
SecondPassing and Snorlax have a lot of Mafia equity, and also have equity in being Mafia partners. They both approach me with this tunnel and a solitary mindset where everything about my play must be scummy without conceding to the legitimacy of my points which make me as good as a confirmed town.
Jealous has similar scum equity for this very reason.
Unknown has town equity for at least acknowledging the validity of my points.
Yuki's play may not be alignment indicative, but I'd take a stab saying Yuki is neutral.
Stereo is by far the strongest town read and deserves night protection NO MATTER WHAT.
The rest of the players on me are as good as null, mindless sheep. Gyralander, Deathworlds, Mesk.
Quick is defacto town for voting the scummiest player in the game, going against the grain with me at potentially significant cost.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
Snorpax and second passing arent even trying to approach me as a town. They've prejudicially attacked me on several bases without attempting to determine my alignment.
The crux of their argument is that I'm claiming I'm new because I'm scum, not because I am new. Using that as an argument isn't just scummy, but because it's true, it means they're going for the easiest mislynch possible.
Misrepresentation of the actual argument. (you STILL haven't countered the original points made against you)
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SecondPassing and Snorlax have a lot of Mafia equity, and also have equity in being Mafia partners. They both approach me with this tunnel and a solitary mindset where everything about my play must be scummy without conceding to the legitimacy of my points which make me as good as a confirmed town.
Jealous has similar scum equity for this very reason.
"People who are accusing/ voting me are in cahoots."
How the fuck are you confirmed town? O_O
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Unknown has town equity for at least acknowledging the validity of my points.
Yuki's play may not be alignment indicative, but I'd take a stab saying Yuki is neutral.
Stereo is by far the strongest town read and deserves night protection NO MATTER WHAT.
The rest of the players on me are as good as null, mindless sheep. Gyralander, Deathworlds, Mesk.
Quick is defacto town for voting the scummiest player in the game, going against the grain with me at potentially significant cost.
"Unknown is town for agreeing with me on some points."
"Quick is town for agreeing with me."
Directing the Protectives' night actions = bad.
You haven't given any reasons for how I'm scum other than the fact that I'm accusing you.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
From SecondLynch and Quick's perspective, I am lock town based on votes. I am mechanically town. Any townies still on me switch to Snorlax with me.
If Quick or SecomdLynch vote me, it's basically an admittance if Mafia due to mechanical votes that would require me to be Mafia with both of them.
Snorlax is an opportunistic scum taking advantage of a new player on the basis of being new.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
tl;dr: Your reads are incredibly self-centred. People who agree with you are town and everyone who is voting/ accusing you is scum or 'mindless sheep'.
Extremely reactive play that shows no signs of scum-hunting until someone pokes you. Massive hindrance as town and creates a shit-load of WIFOM as scum.
Needs to die either way.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
yah know what,
-vote Snorlax
you can never go wrong with a Calix lynch anyways.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Mesk514
yah know what,
-vote Snorlax
you can never go wrong with a Calix lynch anyways.
How is Drizzt town?
And how am I scum?
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
no wait, that doesnt make sense, because I don't like quick and quick is on the snorlax train
-vote Drizzt
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
Misrepresentation of the actual argument. (you STILL haven't countered the original points made against you)
"People who are accusing/ voting me are in cahoots."
How the fuck are you confirmed town? O_O
"Unknown is town for agreeing with me on some points."
"Quick is town for agreeing with me."
Directing the Protectives' night actions = bad.
You haven't given any reasons for how I'm scum other than the fact that I'm accusing you.
You haven't made a single scum indicative argument against me.
Your entire premise revolves around me being new.
Play scum better Snorlax.
I'm mechanically cleared unless the exact Mafia team is Me, Quick, and SecondLynch
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
You haven't made a single scum indicative argument against me.
Your entire premise revolves around me being new.
Play scum better Snorlax.
I'm mechanically cleared unless the exact Mafia team is Me, Quick, and SecondLynch
well i mean, not necessarily.
anyone could be a citizen.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
You haven't made a single scum indicative argument against me.
Your entire premise revolves around me being new.
Play scum better Snorlax.
I'm mechanically cleared unless the exact Mafia team is Me, Quick, and SecondLynch
I see the 'new player' guise is falling off now that you're about to get lynched.
"mechanically cleared" - With 9 Town, 1 Neutral and 7 votes to lynch? And assumes that the scum never vote for each other ever?
Yeah okay.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
tl;dr: Your reads are incredibly self-centred. People who agree with you are town and everyone who is voting/ accusing you is scum or 'mindless sheep'.
Extremely reactive play that shows no signs of scum-hunting until someone pokes you. Massive hindrance as town and creates a shit-load of WIFOM as scum.
Needs to die either way.
Your posting is scum indicative or bad player.
Tunneling off the bat = scum/bad.
Not trying to determine players alignments and instead tunneling and building worlds where only they can be scum = bad/scum
You're already caught Snorlax. GG.
Sooner or later the rest of the town will hear my words.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
Your posting is scum indicative or bad player.
Tunneling off the bat = scum/bad.
Not trying to determine players alignments and instead tunneling and building worlds where only they can be scum = bad/scum
You're already caught Snorlax. GG.
Sooner or later the rest of the town will hear my words.
Frog Senior would be proud of you because you sound exactly like him.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
I can see him in the thread so hi!
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Mesk514
no wait, that doesnt make sense, because I don't like quick and quick is on the snorlax train
-vote Drizzt
Vote Snorlax again.
Again, if I'm scum, then you've caught the entire Mafia team in:
Me, Quick, SecondLynch
If you lynch me today, you gain nothing.
If you lynch Snorlax, you lynch a scum and I'm cleared.
If Snorlax flips anything but town, then you've already caught the 3-Mafia team.
The benefit of lynching Snorlax far outweighs the mind numbing risk in lynching a mechanically villager (me)
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
I'm getting my bad gut feeling where a lynch is actually good but the result is bad.
I might unvote TBH, I don't have any good reason but i am starting to get my gut feeling about him.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
OK, I very lightly skimmed.
Calix is still pushing just one person and not really Scum hunting outside of that.
SL is a pretty good Town read of mine atm.
Jealous is ???
Eggy is ???
DW is VERY Slight Town
Unknown is probably Town
Gyrlander is who knows (Probably Scum)
Yuki is Sus
Stereo I think is Town
Mesk is probably Town
Still think Drizzt is most likely Town
I think that leave that last one who hasn't posted yet who should prolly be replaced??
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Quick
OK, I very lightly skimmed.
Calix is still pushing just one person and not really Scum hunting outside of that.
SL is a pretty good Town read of mine atm.
Jealous is ???
Eggy is ???
DW is VERY Slight Town
Unknown is probably Town
Gyrlander is who knows (Probably Scum)
Yuki is Sus
Stereo I think is Town
Mesk is probably Town
Still think Drizzt is most likely Town
I think that leave that last one who hasn't posted yet who should prolly be replaced??
This is a terrible post. You don't explain any of your reads, thus putting the burden on town to ask you to explain them. (doesn't show initiative)
You have reads who you are confident in calling "probably scum" (your strongest wording) yet you are voting for someone who you have not given a conclusion on...?
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
I can see him in the thread so hi!
Quit commenting on how awesome my tits are, if you'll pardon the analogy, and address my points Snorlax.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
@Snorlax
Take the perspective that I am lock town. Do this as an exercise. Who would you then pressure?
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
This is a terrible post. You don't explain any of your reads, thus putting the burden on town to ask you to explain them. (doesn't show initiative)
You have reads who you are confident in calling "probably scum" (your strongest wording) yet you are voting for someone who you have not given a conclusion on...?
My conclusion on you is that you are not Scum hunting so you are probably Scum.. Its my strongest tell I have in my book.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
Quit commenting on how awesome my tits are, if you'll pardon the analogy, and address my points Snorlax.
You haven't made any points.
You say I have nothing scum-indicative on you but your case is "she's tunneling" (which isn't true and tunneling is NAI in any case) and "I'm cleared town" (already countered this)
You have just come into the game and stirred shit up with 100% unnecessary WIFOM. Not to mention that you are a CONFIRMED LIAR by your own admission. Needs to die.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
@
Snorlax
Take the perspective that I am lock town. Do this as an exercise. Who would you then pressure?
I would pressure Quick/ Jealous/ Unknown, but I would be doing that anyway because they are suspicious independent of your alignment.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
I'm liking Drizzt less and less as the posts continue. I wasn't overlu convinced that he was scum, but it's looking more like the case here. He has now entered a purely vengeful mindset of "everyone who is scum reading me must be scum, and they have reasons for it but I'm going to pretend like they don't." He adds onto this by now saying "You're caught, Snorlax, GG" with that false bravado that seemed to come out of nowhere and doesn't present any argument more substantial than the ones directed at him. This is all after he admitted he was being a town impediment. I am fine with getting rid of the impediment now so we can leave this mess behind us and not have it hinder the game any further.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Quick
My conclusion on you is that you are not Scum hunting so you are probably Scum.. Its my strongest tell I have in my book.
This is blatantly inaccurate.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
You haven't made any points.
You say I have nothing scum-indicative on you but your case is "she's tunneling" (which isn't true and tunneling is NAI in any case) and "I'm cleared town" (already countered this)
You have just come into the game and stirred shit up with 100% unnecessary WIFOM. Not to mention that you are a CONFIRMED LIAR by your own admission. Needs to die.
Kindly rephrase your actual case against me so everyone can see that all you've done is red herring and straw man tunnel me all game day.
Seriously, whether your scum or not, and I'm very certain you're scum, you need to change your fallacious play style. It's not convincing as a scum, and it's not helpful as a town.
Take this piece of advice from a new player consulting with an experienced player.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
Kindly rephrase your actual case against me so everyone can see that all you've done is red herring and straw man tunnel me all game day.
Seriously, whether your scum or not, and I'm very certain you're scum, you need to change your fallacious play style. It's not convincing as a scum, and it's not helpful as a town.
Take this piece of advice from a new player consulting with an experienced player.
No.
>"very certain"
>has not provided any scum-indicative points against me and blames it on my 'fallacious' play-style in the same sentence
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
Legit question, Quick.
Most of the town has not scum-hunted.
Why am I the only person you scum-read because I'm "only focusing on one person"?
Isn't this like, a giant glaring hole in your internal consistency?
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
Legit question, Quick.
Most of the town has not scum-hunted.
Why am I the only person you scum-read because I'm "only focusing on one person"?
Isn't this like, a giant glaring hole in your internal consistency?
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Originally Posted by
JealousTL
I'm liking Drizzt less and less as the posts continue. I wasn't overlu convinced that he was scum, but it's looking more like the case here. He has now entered a purely vengeful mindset of "everyone who is scum reading me must be scum, and they have reasons for it but I'm going to pretend like they don't." He adds onto this by now saying "You're caught, Snorlax, GG" with that false bravado that seemed to come out of nowhere and doesn't present any argument more substantial than the ones directed at him. This is all after he admitted he was being a town impediment. I am fine with getting rid of the impediment now so we can leave this mess behind us and not have it hinder the game any further.
Jealous, this is what you've said:
1) I'm only scum reading people who are voting me.
This is patently false. I'm scum reading SecindLynch.
Next, look at the players who voted me. It's most of the game. Are you suggesting I town read them all and not scum read any of them? This is pathetic.
Finally, I'm not scum reading for pushing me. I'm scum reading them for sheeping the lack of logic primarily perpetuated by Snorlax.
I've countered Snorlax's points, and I'm asking her to restate them.
Can you with a straight face say what the case against me is? I doubt it, you've just created a new one with a faulty basis as Ivd just described.
You are power wolfing with Snorlax
2) The bravado is a direct result of me channeling my experienced mentor. The argument I made against Snorlax is abundantly clear which Snorlax has yet to refute.
Snorlax is tunneling me, a new player, on the basis of being new with a string of red herrings and straw men.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
Drizzt, are you saying that you're talking to Frog while the game is ongoing?
Do you realise that is AGAINST THE RULES?
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
If you can't take that heat get outta the kitchen
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
Drizzt, are you saying that you're talking to Frog while the game is ongoing?
Do you realise that is AGAINST THE RULES?
I'm a new player. Frog is my mentor who is helping me occasionally. You're in a *****. What's the difference?
I guess it's that you're mad I caught you. GL next game as scum and don't tunnel noobs. It's not nice, and it's blatantly scummy.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
I'm a new player. Frog is my mentor who is helping me occasionally. You're in a *****. What's the difference?
I guess it's that you're mad I caught you. GL next game as scum and don't tunnel noobs. It's not nice, and it's blatantly scummy.
You didn't clear it with the host first, that's the difference. Figures.
RLVG is welcome to correct me if you did, but if he didn't, thanks for admitting it.
I have to pop out for a bit. Will be back before EOD.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
You didn't clear it with the host first, that's the difference. Figures.
RLVG is welcome to correct me if you did, but if he didn't, thanks for admitting it.
I have to pop out for a bit. Will be back before EOD.
Picking on noobs is bad enough. Angling to get them modkilled is just creating a bad game environment. Thanks for making me feel welcome. :(
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
JealousTL
I'm liking Drizzt less and less as the posts continue. I wasn't overlu convinced that he was scum, but it's looking more like the case here. He has now entered a purely vengeful mindset of "everyone who is scum reading me must be scum, and they have reasons for it but I'm going to pretend like they don't." He adds onto this by now saying "You're caught, Snorlax, GG" with that false bravado that seemed to come out of nowhere and doesn't present any argument more substantial than the ones directed at him. This is all after he admitted he was being a town impediment. I am fine with getting rid of the impediment now so we can leave this mess behind us and not have it hinder the game any further.
-vote JealousTL
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
Watch Calix say "oops I goofed" after Drizzt flips town.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Snorlax
This is blatantly inaccurate.
No, its not, it really isn't. When people don't scum hunt it usually means they are playing with an agenda in mind.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
Picking on noobs is bad enough. Angling to get them modkilled is just creating a bad game environment. Thanks for making me feel welcome. :(
Ewww ATE.
If I was picking on noobs, I would have pressured Stereo more.
You are so scummy that you got Frog to step in to prevent you from getting lynched. That's just sad.
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Originally Posted by
Unknown1234
[vote]JealousTL
You're voting for a No Lynch.
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Originally Posted by
Quick
No, its not, it really isn't. When people don't scum hunt it usually means they are playing with an agenda in mind.
You haven't answered how I'm the only person who is scummy for 'not scum-hunting' when most of the players have not been scum-hunting.
That is a massive inconsistency.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
There is NO reason to not vote for Drizzt over a No Lynch. He isn't town and no coaching or scum!Quick whining is going to change that.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
Also Drizzt blatantly broke the rules. Not that this is game-relevant because I want him lynched, not mod-killed, but that's really fucking bad.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
Drizzt
Snorpax and second passing arent even trying to approach me as a town. They've prejudicially attacked me on several bases without attempting to determine my alignment.
To say we, SecondLynch, have attacked you is a mischaracterization. We have proven that your arguments were wrong, and you have still not responded to our post.
We are trying to get a feel of your alignment. I, NU, have the gut feeling that you are town due to your tone and the amount of vote you have on you. [Stereo + Eggy(rvs) + Dezkai haven't voted at all, and neither have we. There are 9 townies, we town-read Stereo and are confirmed town to ourselves, so that leaves 7 town votes. For your train not to be a ML, Eggy and Dezkai would have to be scum or you are being bussed.]
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The crux of their argument is that I'm claiming I'm new because I'm scum, not because I am new. Using that as an argument isn't just scummy, but because it's true, it means they're going for the easiest mislynch possible.
No, it is objectively scummy. We've explained why.
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Re: S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger
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Originally Posted by
SecondLynch
To say we, SecondLynch, have attacked you is a mischaracterization. We have proven that your arguments were wrong, and you have still not responded to our post.
We are trying to get a feel of your alignment. I, NU, have the gut feeling that you are town due to your tone and the amount of vote you have on you. [Stereo + Eggy(rvs) + Dezkai haven't voted at all, and neither have we. There are 9 townies, we town-read Stereo and are confirmed town to ourselves, so that leaves 7 town votes. For your train not to be a ML, Eggy and Dezkai would have to be scum or you are being bussed.]
No, it is objectively scummy. We've explained why.
You are not accounting for the Neutral with votes.
He was being COACHED BY FROG. How is the fact that his tone changed WILDLY when he was about to get lynched not a MASSIVE red flag?
Not to mention the reams of scum-motivated behaviour that he's done. NOTHING he has done helps town in any way. It's just created a load of unnecessary WIFOM that isn't going to be resolved while he's alive.
Therefore he's NOT TOWN.
How am I the only person getting this? -_-