S-FM 288: La Cosa Nostra

he had an emergency

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Well yeah, I was posting that to you. ^^ Glad you're ISOing me.

Mesk was contributing nothing which is why she was probably high on the lynch list consensus. As much as I would have preferred Blink be lynched, I think I may have been making a mistake because mechanically things aren't adding up**.

We have 4 TPR.

Unknown's check is confirmed via Magoroth. Scum wouldn't double fake claim when it's not MYLO so that seems like a believable circumstance. Though it's possible this is SvS.

Huey + MM are the two TPR I'm considering for a lynch. I don't see lynching outside of them being beneficial -- again, we're not at MYLO. Reason being is that we have nothing tangible to get from them so far except reads.

**: Assuming I was wrong.

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If you don't think anyone else's vote out is beneficial, you should put Skip Day as your #3 choice. That would more accurately reflect your intentions.

However, I'd think everyone in this game would agree that us eliminating a scum outside of huey/mm would be a beneficial move.

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Originally Posted by naz

from this point forward @Unknown1234 is being replaced by @Kenny

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Wow

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Originally Posted by naz

he had an emergency

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Oh, hope everything is alright

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Sorry for lack of activity yesterday anyway, my line of thinking:

In this setup there is either an Actress OR Framer.

Blink was an Actress in every scenario.

Mechanically there are 3 TPR.

List of most likely scenario to least likely--


-Unknown is confirmed scum, he has a suspicious check on him from a cop. Claiming the he was framed directly conflicts with the fact that Blink was an actress. Unknown was pushing for Blink constantly while Blink's 'Townread' on Unknown shifted to a scumread over the course of the day. I didn't even see the 'tracker' check. If someone wants to point me to that I'd appreciate it. I highly doubt this was a mafia v mafia scenario. Unknown is the SK.

-MM is not a power role. When I hear "I'm a TPR but I'm not going to tell you which one" it sounds like somebody inferring "You'll know which one I am soon enough." The most basic example of this would be Vigilante. We need his input. Claiming like that and then not appearing D2 is scummy.

-Magoroth claims that he healed Blink but he was attacked twice. From my point of view this implies that either Magoroth is lying scum, Mafia no-killed, Mafia attacked their own actress (if that's allowed.) For the record, I don't scumread Magoroth; He's been gamesolving although his votes have been sheepish.. and that vig shit was really dumb. Then again half the game scumread Rumox over a silly rxn so, whatever.

-Huey's check is a lie. He should have participated more D1 but it's probably good that he flew under the radar for the most part. Huey is probably not lying about his check and the Unknown v Blinkskater relationship makes sense in context. Compare Blinkskater's rhetoric to Huey's you can see the difference between someone acknowledging his possible demise and someone running towards it.

Spoiler : cvote :

Unknown1234,MarshmallowMarshall,Efekannn02,Clank,L ight_Yagami,DS,Magoroth,rumox,Stealthbomber16,Huey TheLong,Frinckles,SkipDay,

1 Mafia down, 1 SK down.

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would you mind telling me how you went from huey is #2 most town to, we can only execute huey or mm?

Oh hey Kenny, welcome, you got launched in a pile of utter shite so have fun

hi

I've read up to like 1 hour ago, so I can get into this right away more or less

give me a second anyway

so for starters
Yagami is sk
Frinckles is mafia
Stealth or DS is mafia
I'll have to reread a bit with my slot being Unknown lol, but Imma just mention myself as town in this scumlist if you don't mind

Spoiler : cvote :

Light_Yagami,Frinckles,Stealthbomber16,DS,Efekannn 02,rumox,Voss,Magoroth,HueyTheLong,MarshmallowMars hall,Unknown1234,SkipDay,

mostly my reads as observer. It would've been very sheepable from literally every other slot imo. You may still sheep me even if you want.

Interesting what about this TPR shitfest tho


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So im gonna get some kip, ill be here before EoD, dont write too much please lads or else im gonna have to read a bunch.

For a situation in which I would've replaced MM some hours ago when he was inactive, I had a thought of retracting that flounder's crier claim and switching to citizen.
Considering I'm not MM and now know that Unknown is legit, I'd guess MM is scum. Just to outline my current standing on this one situation.

Regardless, lynching anyone within this TPR fest would objectively be terrible play.
We solve ourselves at night most likely. 2 Tracker claims, 1 cop and 1 doctor, there's 0 chance noone of us is gonna die and there then there's definitely gonna be a chain of checks to verify I'd hope.

Spoiler : cvote :

Efekannn02,Light_Yagami,Frinckles,MarshmallowMarsh all,HueyTheLong,Kenny,Magoroth,rumox,DS,Stealthbom ber16,SkipDay,Voss,

updating to replace unknown with kenny

Within this group of 4 players we have 3 TPR claims that are very likely correct. Purely statistically that puts us at a 3/4 chance to not just hit town, but to hit a town role that would've been able to verify itself at night.
And by us I mean not myself for the record lol. It's a 1/3 chance for my guess to be the scum here, instead of 1/4.

Spoiler : cvote :

Light_Yagami,Efekannn02,Frinckles,DS,Stealthbomber 16,MarshmallowMarshall,Kenny,Voss,Magoroth,HueyThe Long,rumox,SkipDay,

Kenny inclusion

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Originally Posted by Kenny

Within this group of 4 players we have 3 TPR claims that are very likely correct. Purely statistically that puts us at a 3/4 chance to not just hit town, but to hit a town role that would've been able to verify itself at night.
And by us I mean not myself for the record lol. It's a 1/3 chance for my guess to be the scum here, instead of 1/4.

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This is why I have Frinckles low. He seems pretty keen on taking a huge risk with our TPR.

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Originally Posted by rumox

This is why I have Frinckles low. He seems pretty keen on taking a huge risk with our TPR.

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that makes him scum, not town.

Now that means today's lynch should be always be between the independantly scummy citizens.
I'm down for any train between Yagami, Frinckles, DS or stealth.
Yagami I have the sk read on, Frinckles seems to be pushing scum agenda with his posts from what I've seen. DS is passive and not in the least bit living up to what I'd expect from a player with his reputation. Stealth iirc hasn't pointed out Yagami's behavior and coasted along many times today. I believe he's a player who knows how to read Yagami, so I'm scumreading him for not doing this. I'm mainly anchoring this on my one game I've had with stealth in Agumon's revenge. We were the 2 cultists and he very well explained how Yagami was arso in that game.

I like Kenny.

also, kenny, why not include efe in that pool?

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Originally Posted by Voss

I like Kenny.

also, kenny, why not include efe in that pool?

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I didn't see anything I find scummy from him yet. He should be in that pool tho, yes.

I think he's trying too hard to be his trolly self, and kind of was slipping when he apologized for claiming TPR.

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Originally Posted by Voss

would you mind telling me how you went from huey is #2 most town to, we can only execute huey or mm?

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I dont understand that one Voss.

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Sorry for lack of activity yesterday anyway, my line of thinking:

In this setup there is either an Actress OR Framer.

Blink was an Actress in every scenario.

Mechanically there are 3 TPR.

List of most likely scenario to least likely--


-Unknown is confirmed scum, he has a suspicious check on him from a cop. Claiming the he was framed directly conflicts with the fact that Blink was an actress. Unknown was pushing for Blink constantly while Blink's 'Townread' on Unknown shifted to a scumread over the course of the day. I didn't even see the 'tracker' check. If someone wants to point me to that I'd appreciate it. I highly doubt this was a mafia v mafia scenario. Unknown is the SK.

-MM is not a power role. When I hear "I'm a TPR but I'm not going to tell you which one" it sounds like somebody inferring "You'll know which one I am soon enough." The most basic example of this would be Vigilante. We need his input. Claiming like that and then not appearing D2 is scummy.

-Magoroth claims that he healed Blink but he was attacked twice. From my point of view this implies that either Magoroth is lying scum, Mafia no-killed, Mafia attacked their own actress (if that's allowed.) For the record, I don't scumread Magoroth; He's been gamesolving although his votes have been sheepish.. and that vig shit was really dumb. Then again half the game scumread Rumox over a silly rxn so, whatever.

-Huey's check is a lie. He should have participated more D1 but it's probably good that he flew under the radar for the most part. Huey is probably not lying about his check and the Unknown v Blinkskater relationship makes sense in context. Compare Blinkskater's rhetoric to Huey's you can see the difference between someone acknowledging his possible demise and someone running towards it.

Spoiler : cvote :

Unknown1234,MarshmallowMarshall,Efekannn02,Clank,L ight_Yagami,DS,Magoroth,rumox,Stealthbomber16,Huey TheLong,Frinckles,SkipDay,

1 Mafia down, 1 SK down.

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Here, you have Frinkles as your #1 town.

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Well yeah, I was posting that to you. ^^ Glad you're ISOing me.

Mesk was contributing nothing which is why she was probably high on the lynch list consensus. As much as I would have preferred Blink be lynched, I think I may have been making a mistake because mechanically things aren't adding up**.

We have 4 TPR.

Unknown's check is confirmed via Magoroth. Scum wouldn't double fake claim when it's not MYLO so that seems like a believable circumstance. Though it's possible this is SvS.

Huey + MM are the two TPR I'm considering for a lynch. I don't see lynching outside of them being beneficial -- again, we're not at MYLO. Reason being is that we have nothing tangible to get from them so far except reads.

**: Assuming I was wrong.

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Here, you have him as your #1/2 scum.

What made you change your mind?

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Originally Posted by Voss

Here, you have Frinkles as your #1 town.



Here, you have him as your #1/2 scum.

What made you change your mind?

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If you're talking about unknown itd that's mechanics related and I highlighted it with an asterisk.

Well now I've read the 100 posts I've been missing before too. Turns out I didn't change the gamestate and Voss already did all that work together with rumox. This is good.

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Sorry for lack of activity yesterday anyway, my line of thinking:

In this setup there is either an Actress OR Framer.

Blink was an Actress in every scenario.

Mechanically there are 3 TPR.

List of most likely scenario to least likely--


-Unknown is confirmed scum, he has a suspicious check on him from a cop. Claiming the he was framed directly conflicts with the fact that Blink was an actress. Unknown was pushing for Blink constantly while Blink's 'Townread' on Unknown shifted to a scumread over the course of the day. I didn't even see the 'tracker' check. If someone wants to point me to that I'd appreciate it. I highly doubt this was a mafia v mafia scenario. Unknown is the SK.

-MM is not a power role. When I hear "I'm a TPR but I'm not going to tell you which one" it sounds like somebody inferring "You'll know which one I am soon enough." The most basic example of this would be Vigilante. We need his input. Claiming like that and then not appearing D2 is scummy.

-Magoroth claims that he healed Blink but he was attacked twice. From my point of view this implies that either Magoroth is lying scum, Mafia no-killed, Mafia attacked their own actress (if that's allowed.) For the record, I don't scumread Magoroth; He's been gamesolving although his votes have been sheepish.. and that vig shit was really dumb. Then again half the game scumread Rumox over a silly rxn so, whatever.

-Huey's check is a lie. He should have participated more D1 but it's probably good that he flew under the radar for the most part. Huey is probably not lying about his check and the Unknown v Blinkskater relationship makes sense in context. Compare Blinkskater's rhetoric to Huey's you can see the difference between someone acknowledging his possible demise and someone running towards it.

Spoiler : cvote :

Unknown1234,MarshmallowMarshall,Efekannn02,Clank,L ight_Yagami,DS,Magoroth,rumox,Stealthbomber16,Huey TheLong,Frinckles,SkipDay,

1 Mafia down, 1 SK down.

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Here, you have HUEY as your #1 town.

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Originally Posted by Frinckles

Well yeah, I was posting that to you. ^^ Glad you're ISOing me.

Mesk was contributing nothing which is why she was probably high on the lynch list consensus. As much as I would have preferred Blink be lynched, I think I may have been making a mistake because mechanically things aren't adding up**.

We have 4 TPR.

Unknown's check is confirmed via Magoroth. Scum wouldn't double fake claim when it's not MYLO so that seems like a believable circumstance. Though it's possible this is SvS.

Huey + MM are the two TPR I'm considering for a lynch. I don't see lynching outside of them being beneficial -- again, we're not at MYLO. Reason being is that we have nothing tangible to get from them so far except reads.

**: Assuming I was wrong.

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Here, you have him as your #1/2 scum.

What made you change your mind?

Now I think any correct citizen should first and foremost go against those in the same boat as themselves instead of pushing the state away from them. Independantly of the current gamestate.
Now, again, this group contains
rumox, Voss, Efe, Yagami, Frinckles, stealth, DS.
Rumox and Voss successfully shifted the state in their direction and did the job correctly. It's safe to say they are solidly towny.
Of the other 5 noone really scumhunted correctly from what I've seen. Tho ofc I can't be as accurate with my understanding of the situation as I would've been if I was part of this game all that time.
Efe I believe is the one player who frankly put I have the easiest time forgiving the incorrect focus during the day. Early on I believe he was taunting rumox too. Not sure when he stopped doing so tho.

The others I'd have to analyze some more and probably won't really do this now as it's fairly late.

Has Frinckles ever said anything that could start a discussion against or on
rumox, Voss, Efe, Yagami, stealth or DS?

@Frinckles When Voss pushed the gamestate away from the TPR cycle lynch, how did you interpret Voss' actions?
Almost all your posts were in a way in opposition to Voss' play since he subbed in. Have you considered his idea to be of scummy intent? What about rumox?

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Originally Posted by rumox

I'm awake.

If there isn't any more TPR counter claims, MM is staying my #1 lynch priority. I find it hard to believe Unknown as Mafia would yolo claim TRACKER and guess correctly where another player went. The only way I switch my lynch off MM is if there is more TPR claims. I also trust Huey's claim because I think it's fair to assume Cop is a role that is in this game considering the "possibility" of Framer being in it, and also no one is CC him. I also trust Magoroth's claim cause I think its safe to assume Doctor is a role in this game (2 scum killers) and he isn't CC'd.

Also I agree on Voss in regards to light. His posts are shit and come across as fake as fuck. I have him blocked on the forums so I have to manually reveal his posts to read them, that's why I didn't "respond" to his shit question to me.

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What about unknown + mag mafia team and a silent vigilante laughing at us in the form of light or efe

Oh shit Kenny is here now?

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

What about unknown + mag mafia team and a silent vigilante laughing at us in the form of light or efe

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It's possible. I will have a really hard time being convinced by a incredibly late TPR claim unless they have a pretty solid reason for doing so.

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Originally Posted by rumox

It's possible. I will have a really hard time being convinced by a incredibly late TPR claim unless they have a pretty solid reason for doing so.

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And if they are to shoot tonight without claiming, I hope they have a pretty solid read on everyone lol

Spoiler : cvote :

Light_Yagami,Efekannn02,Frinckles,DS,Stealthbomber 16,SkipDay,MarshmallowMarshall,Voss,Magoroth,HueyT heLong,Kenny,rumox,

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Originally Posted by Voss

^^^^^^

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ahahaha I’m on board now

I want to note I said all this yesterday. Envision that sentence in as snarky of a voice as you’d like.

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Originally Posted by Kenny

@Frinckles When Voss pushed the gamestate away from the TPR cycle lynch, how did you interpret Voss' actions?
Almost all your posts were in a way in opposition to Voss' play since he subbed in. Have you considered his idea to be of scummy intent? What about rumox?

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That's easy to infer. Lynching outside of a 50/50 is non-town.

I know you're just hopping in but that even seems a bit defensive, more than unknown who I townread.

I see it like this: If two trackers cannot exist (according to Rumox who I respect to not angleshoot.)

One of them must be lynched.

If I was wrong about Blinkskater, one of his #1 FOS was MM.

Unknown has substantiated that Magoroth visited Blink. That's tangible information and the logical result is to lynch MM.

MM claimed a TPR yesterday at the end of a rope. Conveniently he was role-blocked despite being scummy to multiple people.

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Originally Posted by Kenny

Now I think any correct citizen should first and foremost go against those in the same boat as themselves instead of pushing the state away from them. Independantly of the current gamestate.
Now, again, this group contains
rumox, Voss, Efe, Yagami, Frinckles, stealth, DS.
Rumox and Voss successfully shifted the state in their direction and did the job correctly. It's safe to say they are solidly towny.
Of the other 5 noone really scumhunted correctly from what I've seen. Tho ofc I can't be as accurate with my understanding of the situation as I would've been if I was part of this game all that time.
Efe I believe is the one player who frankly put I have the easiest time forgiving the incorrect focus during the day. Early on I believe he was taunting rumox too. Not sure when he stopped doing so tho.

The others I'd have to analyze some more and probably won't really do this now as it's fairly late.

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Is there some sort of "push DS" memo that was passed along as you got subbed in? Why do you think I havent scumhunted correctly? I had MM as scum yesterday and he is counter claiming you. So you think I didnt scumhunt that correctly?

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Originally Posted by Voss

I fully recognize that I have partially derailed the TPR claim game. But i stand by my assertion that I think scum will clean up the TPRs for us, and will reference this post in the future if I get scum painted for it.

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Food for thought
Voss/Unknown/Magoroth scum team?

I mean probably not but I am making this post so I can see this idea later

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

What about unknown + mag mafia team and a silent vigilante laughing at us in the form of light or efe

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Originally Posted by Efekannn02

if Blink was actually mafia then im glad I messed up the game hard


Atleast Blink kept shouting with "KILL ME KILL ME" that makes him town in my book right now but I know that Blink is capable of lying well

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if blink was mafia then everyone should be pushing unk here.... why do people keep forgetting that part while mentioning a scum blink?

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

Food for thought
Voss/Unknown/Magoroth scum team?

I mean probably not but I am making this post so I can see this idea later

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if unk is scum, there is a high probabilty that Mag is as well, but we wouldnt really be able to test that until someone else claims or flips or something

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Originally Posted by naz

from this point forward @Unknown1234 is being replaced by @Kenny

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@Unknown1234 best of luck in whatever situation just popped up

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Originally Posted by Kenny

Now that means today's lynch should be always be between the independantly scummy citizens.
I'm down for any train between Yagami, Frinckles, DS or stealth.
Yagami I have the sk read on, Frinckles seems to be pushing scum agenda with his posts from what I've seen. DS is passive and not in the least bit living up to what I'd expect from a player with his reputation. Stealth iirc hasn't pointed out Yagami's behavior and coasted along many times today. I believe he's a player who knows how to read Yagami, so I'm scumreading him for not doing this. I'm mainly anchoring this on my one game I've had with stealth in Agumon's revenge. We were the 2 cultists and he very well explained how Yagami was arso in that game.

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What exactly is my reputation?

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Originally Posted by rumox

And if they are to shoot tonight without claiming, I hope they have a pretty solid read on everyone lol

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Back To Day 1..

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Originally Posted by Light_Yagami

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Back To Day 1..

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LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOFTCLAIMED VIG
MM
MAG
ME
RUMOX (I think?)
YAGAMI

Can we get 6

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

LIST OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE SOFTCLAIMED VIG
MM
MAG
ME
RUMOX (I think?)
YAGAMI

Can we get 6

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