S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

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Originally Posted by FM-Forsaken Bones

I forgot about this, I also did get 200 gold from Eyes because I was voting them.
I don't quite get why 200 based on the votes they had, but I'll leave the math for someone else.

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Probably a split of 50% of what they had. 50% of 2000 was 1000, 1000 5-ways is 200 each. Anyway, there are much bigger things to discuss now than how much gold everyone has unless you are robinhooding from the shop.

So since I've disclosed my actions. Time to go hunt! @FM-ohno what did you do last night? How did you like my roleblock on you? @FM-Dark Unicorn , I was asking earlier to see if you got any indications that I healed you. Now that I've revealed doing so, is there any indication that I healed your infection? It would be nice if someone could confirm me today.

I am also feeling really good about ohno being scum, whom I roleblocked. His vote on me today was priceless, quoting a question from Myopia (posed to both Chad and me) and then voting me as if that question is somehow a justification.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...424#post960424

I’m grateful that by purchasing a hat for my crab I have managed to make myself inillegible for the robinhood shot.

Interesting to note here- the shop takes a 30% cut. Wouldn’t… the person with the most gold… be the shopkeeper? So they just made an item that kills themself?

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Probably a split of 50% of what they had. 50% of 2000 was 1000, 1000 5-ways is 200 each. Anyway, there are much bigger things to discuss now than how much gold everyone has unless you are robinhooding from the shop.

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Meh. There's some important discussion to be had but I also want to make sure I'm up to date on all things gold because I don't feel like getting bopped by an unstoppable kill.

Also, last year, I created a role that involved a cult leader having to win by becoming 50% of the population and having a positive balance by the end of the game which is similar to the mechanics here except the currency I had made up then was in bitcoins, while here is in gold.

I think there is a tycoon (merchant) cult leader here. I cannot link you to the post or to the site because it outs my main and I get mod killed but I will post it here for you to check it. Something to think about.

Spoiler : Tycoon Cult Leader Expanded Universe Edition (Cult/Fulfiller alignment / Tycoon Cult Leader role)

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Majorly Inspired by Cook's "The Other Cult Leader, Who's Running a Business (Or At Least Trying To)"[/i]

Bitcoins currency and shopping mechanic is activated and remain active even after the Tycoon Leader is dead.
You count as having two alignments (Cult and Fulfiller)

Should it become necessary to know, you possess 30 Bitcoins in spending cash.

• During the day on alternating days, you may send out an anonymous advertisement for three openings in your business by PMing the mod.
• Someone may apply by stating INQUIRE: Job Offer.
• You will randomly neighborize three players who inquire about the job offer.
• Someone who is in your Business PT may choose to WORK:, which will prevent them from using their night ability, but will pay them 3 Bitcoins. This also generates 1 Work Token.
- If you cannot pay someone for their work, you will fire them, de-neighborizing them, in order of longest-standing members to shortest.
• With a Work Token, you can improve your company in one of the following ways. Work Token cost is shown in parentheses:
- Commission (1): anyone who WORK:s on the same day your company creates an item will gain one additional Bitcoin.
- Develop Factory Infrastructure (2): your company may create one additional item per day.
- Mass Audit (3): you will learn the factions that comprise your company, and how many of each faction are present.
- Sacking (4): redirect all attacks or factional kills that are sourced from inside your business to a target of your choice.
- Innovation (3): resupply all items.
- Short Squeeze (10 Bitcoins): create 1 work token for each member of your business still alive. May only do this once before you will have a Death Warrant (hammered in one vote) applied to you for the rest of the game due to being prosecuted for stock market manipulation.
- Promotion (3, or 8 Bitcoins): cult a player. They retain any non-anti-cult abilities from their previous life.
- Production (2): Create one item from this list for each time you have invested in factory infrastructure. You may not produce the same item twice, unless you use Innovation:

• 1-Shot Doctor
• 1-Shot Mod Warning: Use during the day. This ability will tell you the names of all players who targeted to kill you the previous night who either failed or changed their mind.
This ability can’t be roleblocked or manipulated.
• 1-Shot Jailkeeper
• 1-Shot Alignment Cop
• 1-Shot Ascetic
• 1-Shot Reviver: Allows you to bring back a player from the dead.
• 1-Shot Bulletproof
• 1-Shot de-chatter: It removes the target from any and all PTs permanently.
• 1-Shot Replicator: The Replicator may target another player each night, killing them and stealing their role (but not alignment). If the kill attempt is successful, the targeted player will be revealed as Replicator upon death. Mod Note: If the tycoon leader ends up using the Replicator shot instead of selling it, he may give the stolen role to one of its cultists, otherwise the stolen role is discarded.
• 1-Shot Roleblocker
• 1-Shot Animalizer: Transforms the player into an animal. The player may only post with GIFs with that animal in it. The animal is randomly selected by the host.
• 1-Shot Nemesis: The Nemesis may during the day quote a statement made by a player with “JUDGEMENT DAY” in bold and the host tag and post it to the thread.
If the statement is false the target player dies immediately, if it is true, the Nemesis user dies.


After you have produced an item, you might EITHER keep it for yourself and use it, or you might instead Secretly send it to a player in exchange for 2 bitcoins from their balance.You got no choice on this matter. If the player has no balance you assume the loss.

All players start with 6 Bitcoins, and will steal someone's bitcoins if they kill them or hammer them.

To win with this role, you must survive to the end of the game with a positive cash amount and be 50% of the game’s population. Anyone aligned towards you will conditionally win with you. If you are dead, your cult members die with you and resurrect as lone demons who reflexively vanillalize whoever targets them to kill them and they may be re-converted.

You lose when you can’t fulfill your wincon or when you try to convert a groupscum member who shares a PT.

Mod Note: The host may secretly make whoever selects this role, immune to theft the first two nights and immune to de-neighborizing abilities all game. ]

I will not be humoring Tesse's posts until we have a flip from them.

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

You know that I now know that you are scum. There was no result, you just wanted to hang me today, which is what I was suspecting all along, but I gave you the benefit of the doubt with this supposed lie detector. Your check on Inconspicuous is likely fake as well and was aimed at getting 2 players eliminated today. Nice play by you to take the opportunity to go for a bigger fish when I came to Incon+Comrade's defense. But what excuse will you use after I flip, unless you are disguiser or you guys have the ability to manipulate my flip?

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Bro bro bro, dont waste your time with me. I trust on my results and I'm willing to die for them.

This is not a vendetta against you or anything of the sorts. If you think I as a scum player will willingly trade a 1 for 1 with town, then you need to play more mafia.
If by some miracle you flip town then I was lied to and I will take the axe because that is way too bastard.

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

I’m grateful that by purchasing a hat for my crab I have managed to make myself inillegible for the robinhood shot.

Interesting to note here- the shop takes a 30% cut. Wouldn’t… the person with the most gold… be the shopkeeper? So they just made an item that kills themself?

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Maybe, but it doesn't make sense for the shopkeeper to do that if that's how it works.
I think it somehow doesn't affect the shopkeeper.
Worth noting is that there are two listed. The shopkeeper is almost definitely in the top 2 for gold, so it doesn't make sense to sell two unless the shopkeeper isn't worried about being killed by it.
I suspect some sort of lawyer-y BS like "the shopkeeper technically doesn't have the gold, the shop does" or "the shopkeeper invested all of their gold into NFTs"

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Originally Posted by FM-Kitty Cat Dance

I will not be humoring Tesse's posts until we have a flip from them.

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Why do you want to eliminate town PR? I have extra votes, I have heals, I have roleblocks.

@FM-Comrade PickleRadish , I may need help from you and Inconspicuous to prevent this overthrow attempt. It is clear that ohno, Purple are not to be trusted and are likely scummates. Kitty and Myopia IDK yet, but clearly cannot be reasoned with. I think you can figure out that my vote on Eyes is not suspicious at all anymore, since it is evident that Purple(known to be a liar by me) and Myopia(who has yet to vote me but spammed to overtake my post count lead) are not team with me (well except Myopia could be a misled town, then we are technically a "team"), so I could not have possibly been trying to save either of them by voting Eyes.

This feels wrong.

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Originally Posted by FM-Purple

Bro bro bro, dont waste your time with me. I trust on my results and I'm willing to die for them.

This is not a vendetta against you or anything of the sorts. If you think I as a scum player will willingly trade a 1 for 1 with town, then you need to play more mafia.
If by some miracle you flip town then I was lied to and I will take the axe because that is way too bastard.

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Don't call me a bro. I sure as hell know you lied. I trust my rolecard.

I am reserving the 2nd part of it, but here is the top part for all to see.

Alignment: Town
Role: The Powerwolf

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities.

Win Condition:
Eliminate all anti-town factions.

Rolecard:
You are very adept at manipulating the town. You are determined to be the top poster at all times, so as to keep the town in your control.

Right now everything Tesseract says must be taken as anti-spew. Read for spew before I claimed by lie detection and asked him to submit to my lie detect,

The fact that they took a long time to decide to submit to it means that they discussed all possible with his teammates before actually doing it. read his old posts, that is where the spew is.

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Originally Posted by FM-Purple

Right now everything Tesseract says must be taken as anti-spew. Read for spew before I claimed by lie detection and asked him to submit to my lie detect,

The fact that they took a long time to decide to submit to it means that they discussed all possible outcomes with his teammates before actually doing it. read his old posts, that is where the spew is.

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Correction

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Don't call me a bro. I sure as hell know you lied. I trust my rolecard.

I am reserving the 2nd part of it, but here is the top part for all to see.

Alignment: Town
Role: The Powerwolf

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities.

Win Condition:
Eliminate all anti-town factions.

Rolecard:
You are very adept at manipulating the town. You are determined to be the top poster at all times, so as to keep the town in your control.

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This tells us absolutely nothing. You’re flailing.

-vote FM-Tesseract

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Don't call me a bro. I sure as hell know you lied. I trust my rolecard.

I am reserving the 2nd part of it, but here is the top part for all to see.

Alignment: Town
Role: The Powerwolf

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities.

Win Condition:
Eliminate all anti-town factions.

Rolecard:
You are very adept at manipulating the town. You are determined to be the top poster at all times, so as to keep the town in your control.

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That is not my result says.

5 ISO pages, goddamn Tesseract. I hope it is a gold mine of data for the kind of investment I'm about to make.

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Originally Posted by FM-Kitty Cat Dance

To be honest, I was also suspicious of Purple's lie detector claim, seeing as they had already claimed a check on inconspicuous and I can't imagine a role that has both a lie detector AND alignment cop. Maybe's there's something common i'm not thinking of, or something with the claim I misunderstood.

But at this point, it's a policy thing. I refuse to let red checks stand unflipped, if we keep red checks alive on the basis they could be faked it destroys the whole point.

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Yeah I agree with this. Strange stuff from purple but a red check is a red check.

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Don't call me a bro. I sure as hell know you lied. I trust my rolecard.

I am reserving the 2nd part of it, but here is the top part for all to see.

Alignment: Town
Role: The Powerwolf

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities.

Win Condition:
Eliminate all anti-town factions.

Rolecard:
You are very adept at manipulating the town. You are determined to be the top poster at all times, so as to keep the town in your control.

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Angleshooty or whatever but if the "Power Wolf" is town that's fucked up LOL.

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Originally Posted by FM-Kitty Cat Dance

To be honest, I was also suspicious of Purple's lie detector claim, seeing as they had already claimed a check on inconspicuous and I can't imagine a role that has both a lie detector AND alignment cop. Maybe's there's something common i'm not thinking of, or something with the claim I misunderstood.

But at this point, it's a policy thing. I refuse to let red checks stand unflipped, if we keep red checks alive on the basis they could be faked it destroys the whole point.

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When I got the role i was like ok! This is very powerful! I can only imagine what others may have if I got this!

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Why do you want to eliminate town PR? I have extra votes, I have heals, I have roleblocks.

@FM-Comrade PickleRadish , I may need help from you and Inconspicuous to prevent this overthrow attempt. It is clear that ohno, Purple are not to be trusted and are likely scummates. Kitty and Myopia IDK yet, but clearly cannot be reasoned with. I think you can figure out that my vote on Eyes is not suspicious at all anymore, since it is evident that Purple(known to be a liar by me) and Myopia(who has yet to vote me but spammed to overtake my post count lead) are not team with me (well except Myopia could be a misled town, then we are technically a "team"), so I could not have possibly been trying to save either of them by voting Eyes.

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you're red checked...

i for one, believe tess is town

Look purple is obviously BSing when he says he's gonna check something tess said and then comes back later acting as if tess never said anything for him to lie detect, coupled with the fact he didn't actually care enough to check if tess had posted something he could lie detect while gone.


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Hes so blindingly obviously making stuff up lol


But even if you think he's real the correct play is to flip him then if he flips town flip his red checks

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Originally Posted by FM-Mafia Bro

Look purple is obviously BSing when he says he's gonna check something tess said and then comes back later acting as if tess never said anything for him to lie detect, coupled with the fact he didn't actually care enough to check if tess had posted something he could lie detect while gone.


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Hes so blindingly obviously making stuff up lol


But even if you think he's real the correct play is to flip him then if he flips town flip his red checks

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but its just not

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Originally Posted by FM-Mafia Bro

Look purple is obviously BSing when he says he's gonna check something tess said and then comes back later acting as if tess never said anything for him to lie detect, coupled with the fact he didn't actually care enough to check if tess had posted something he could lie detect while gone.


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Hes so blindingly obviously making stuff up lol


But even if you think he's real the correct play is to flip him then if he flips town flip his red checks

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What the fuck? I was away from the thread, I was not acting, I didn't know and I was catching up, when I saw I submitted it. Nice shade. Unironically, I doont think you are aligned with Tesseract, there is no way a wolf would not be distancing from Tess now.

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Originally Posted by FM-Mafia Bro

Look purple is obviously BSing when he says he's gonna check something tess said and then comes back later acting as if tess never said anything for him to lie detect, coupled with the fact he didn't actually care enough to check if tess had posted something he could lie detect while gone.


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Hes so blindingly obviously making stuff up lol


But even if you think he's real the correct play is to flip him then if he flips town flip his red checks

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How is flipping purple first ever the correct play?

People have already said it but I'll chime in:
@FM-Mafia Bro please justify why the correct play is to flip a claimed LD+cop before flipping either red check.

It makes sense if you consider that I have zero belief in either of his claims being real

Not zero but like

Definitely not more than 5-10%

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Originally Posted by FM-Purple

What the fuck? I was away from the thread, I was not acting, I didn't know and I was catching up, when I saw I submitted it. Nice shade. Unironically, I doont think you are aligned with Tesseract, there is no way a wolf would not be distancing from Tess now.

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I wipe my ass with your indignation

i have zero

also whats an ld

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Regarding Myopia, I would not read too much into their reaction and getting defensive in a silly fashion there. It screams emotion and possibly intoxication hah :D They appear to be genuinely "MAD" but is it a strong indicator that they are scum? Maybe not yet.

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This does not look good for Myopia, it's a soft defense.

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Originally Posted by FM-Mafia Bro

Not zero but like

Definitely not more than 5-10%

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lol

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Originally Posted by FM-Mafia Bro

I wipe my ass with your indignation

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LOL is your ass so huge?

(Don't answer, it's a rethoric question).

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Are you referring to Earless Artiste? And you wish to put them on trial? :D Or is this your attempt number seven in life? What is VT-equivalent? My attorneys indicate that you have been complacent and not particularly participative (you may argue the same about me, but do you have lawyers like mine??). As such, I will try #12 (and no, I am not ordering McDonalds).

-vote FM-Bizarro Pepsi

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This looks good for Bizarro Pepsi

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Originally Posted by FM-Purple

LOL is your ass so huge?

(Don't answer, it's a rethoric question).

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Yeah I got that big phat ass

They call me Mr bubble butt

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Originally Posted by FM-Kitty Cat Dance

Why did you scumread me again?

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Look at my posts around page 34-35

although Im very tempted to vote Purple rn.

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Originally Posted by FM-Mafia Bro

Yeah I got that big phat ass

They call me Mr bubble butt

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Oooh we are getting kinky, like kangaroos type of kinky.

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Originally Posted by FM-Comrade PickleRadish

Look at my posts around page 34-35

although Im very tempted to vote Purple rn.

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Your lover is scum, you should be voting them or tesseract

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Originally Posted by FM-Comrade PickleRadish

I already hate Purple for pushing a lover lynch out the gate.

I'm glad the painting you sold to me ended up disarming you.

I will be inactive for the next, let's say 15 to 16 hours. And I mean TOTALLY inactive for the next 12.5 hours, then I might have an opportunity to peak back here but not for long periods of time for remaining 2.5-3.5 hours after 12.5 hours of inactivity.

So as usual, I am going to let my vote simmer on the one person I suspect because of two factors: my ISO on Pain, and the Eyes train. Good night, y'all.

-vote FM-Kitty Cat Dance

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So from what I understand, your main two reasons ofr scumreading me are:

1. my reaction to Mr Pain's post about the case on It's Something
2. being on the eyes wagon

it's fair that you suspect me for being on a town wagon, but I don't think you're ever going to accurately solve the game by looking at d1 wagon formations when we only have 1 flip. Plus, I did substantiate the vote on Eyes and you can't argue I was just voting there for no reason. I don't really think that I was the one who got eyes eliminated, seeing as I hadn't posted at all EOD or even close to EOD.

About my reaction to Mr Pain's post, I commented on that earlier:

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Originally Posted by FM-Kitty Cat Dance

I saw some people questioning my "huh" response to Mr. Pains post about it's something having TMI (specifically Mr. Pain himself). To be honest, I didn't understand his point and didn't want to say it. but it turns out no one else gets it either, so there you go.

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Originally Posted by FM-Mr Bones

i have zero

also whats an ld

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Lie detector

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Advisory message from my attorneys: refrain from participating in illegal activities involving sales of items or answering questions, unless the seller is trustworthy. It is more likely that the moofia are infiltrating and attempting to sabotage us. Sometimes, abstinence is the answer.

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This looks like TMI given my dart was stolen before I read the purchase confirmation.

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Special announcement: the moofia scumbags have blackmailed me and I will appear as "guilty" (whatever that means) to any investigatives. My attorneys are hard at work to rectify the situation, and we will come back with a vengeance!

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Haha nice fake claim there.

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

My attorneys have drafted a new bill, which indicates that any attempts to overthrow the Mayor will be met with swift resistance. We will stand our ground and protect the land and people, who are ours!

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Little did you know back then I had the means to catch white collar criminals. :laugh:

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Originally Posted by FM-Purple

5 ISO pages, goddamn Tesseract. I hope it is a gold mine of data for the kind of investment I'm about to make.

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More likely copper mine of spam :)

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Originally Posted by FM-Kitty Cat Dance

2. being on the eyes wagon

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After Eyes corrected Tesseract's mistake, it became clear that they were town. I pointed it out and downvoted another player. Yes, it's a little strange that you didn't do the same.

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

If you want a good laugh, I had to decide whether I wanted to read 14 pages (not that many) vs ISOing people. I decided to do something different. Can you guess what it is? Brownie points for ya lulz.

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Try reading your own ISO bruh. It's both a mixture of nightmare and excitement.

I’m not a fan of the absolute death tunneling purple was doing on Tesseract prior to the lie detector, and I’m not a fan of the way he’s acting now afterward. Something stinks here and it’s not Otis.

@FM-Purple

I want a role claim from you.

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Let's make this interesting: i want to hear from Mr Pain voters Blue Beard, Comrade, Father, Purple. Why are you ganging up on Pain? @FM-Bizarro Pepsi can you please check which of these appeared to "join the train" out of convenience? You are, my left-hand, man/woman, after all.

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I don't like the term ganging up here. I don't remember why I was pushing Pain now... hmm

Tesseract attempts a pocket on Bizarro here.

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Originally Posted by FM-Mr Bones

i for one, believe tess is town

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Why? How? In what God-forsaken world? Nothing indicates that as of now.

Also, flipping plausible investigative claims with red checks before the red checks is rarely the good play, to say the least.

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

I’m not a fan of the absolute death tunneling purple was doing on Tesseract prior to the lie detector, and I’m not a fan of the way he’s acting now afterward. Something stinks here and it’s not Otis.

@FM-Purple

I want a role claim from you.

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Request denied.