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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I think it's too early to tell, honestly. His posts so far I think could come from both T!Paopan and S!Paopan. In 333 (scum) and 334 (town), early on, he was pretty unhelpful in both games.
Is Frinckles a good lynch today?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Guillo
To be clear, do you suspect PQR or Lag?
Both. In the post you're quoting, I am referring to PQ when I say "scumspect of mine", though, since you were talking about my PQ-related stuff.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Both. In the post you're quoting, I am referring to PQ when I say "scumspect of mine", though, since you were talking about my PQ-related stuff.
So your vote is on me because I dislike that you agreed with oliver, whom I disagree with. Is that accurate? Any other reasons?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Lag
Selective amnesia of my FM-Mabel Pines and FM-Wile E. Coyote games?
Also games you've not been in, but other players in this game were in (or hosted) like the Anime World 2 game Guillo hosted and Gikkle was in where I spent most of the start of day 1 appraising slots based on how "chill" I deemed them to be, lol
I am not saying you usually are a boring machine-like person/player xD. Your tone did strike me as different when I first read your posts, though (even before I read oliver's), and you're not the epitome of townness as of right now, whereas you usually are pretty much that. I can't say I have a solid read on you, but I certainly have my eye on you. And to be honest, the only thing you can do to change my mind is to be towny, not to debate whether or not your tone feels different - plus, that's unproductive. I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons:
- I agreed with him that there could be something fishy about you, so why not say it
- We mindmelded in our interpretation of your very early style, which is a point in favor of town!Oliver and gives more credibility to what honestly was just a hunch
- It was an extremely spicy stance to start the game with: a read with that kind of strenght and confidence on the very first page is relatively rare. Also, I don't get to attack you every D1 start, so I might as well take my chance when it comes xD.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
- We mindmelded
Gonna splice that quote in there. That's how I felt with Voss.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
xD.
Well RIP. I just checked your recent posts hoping that xD doesn't appear.. but it does. So much for my attempt to detect a tell. So inconsistent with xD and XD, too, you bastard!
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.
Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.
I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Is Frinckles a good lynch today?
From what I've seen of him so far, I would say yes.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.
Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.
I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.
Hypothesis: Oliverz is a nubcake and was genuine. Do you have evidence that supports rejecting this hypothesis?
The better question: Why is confirmed nutcake (confirmed not a nub) MM saying "I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons..."
Last question: why am I into cakes today? :D
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Guillo is probably town if I were to make a read on him rn
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
From what I've seen of him so far, I would say yes.
Who would be your 2nd choice?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Lag
Hard disagree with this, there are lots of AI interactions that occur during RVS.
Don't think there's anything AI about you saying this, but this is a disagreement in mafia philosophy, and I can't just not speak up about it!
Oh, I am an unconditional RVS lover. But when you can get straight to the part where people express reasonings and interact with eachother, it's probably even better.
and yes, let the debate beginnnn /s
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Originally Posted by
oliverz144
Ok, welcome to the great chinese text-wall of Pao zedong. I wrote it after post #107. Its mainly based on thoughts i had while rereading.
first at all: happy birthday PQR! I suggest amnesty for today, i dont see him yet to be lynched d1. I dont see enough reasons for him to be lynched, i dont see any reasons at all. (yet).
mass claiming has yet to be fully thougth thru.
considering claims: guillo claimed medic.
IS ANYONE COUNTER-CLAIMING MEDIC???
to: lags#42. I never claimed rvs was over. Just my vote on you wasnt rvs.
btw: it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
completing this tmrw
Why in the world would we discuss the medic claim. It's WIFOM. Leave it be. I like that Stealth said pretty much that at some point in reaction to this post, too.
PQ is painting Frinckles as scummy for "arriving late". Speaking of that, it's inconsistent with his "fine for now" for Loldebite, strictly speaking, so the word painting seems appropriate enough. He's giving a free pass to Voss because "he has quality posts and good thoughts", which means... not much; plus, Voss hasn't said anything that stands out as towny, that's just his style. I suspect he's going with the "easy read on a complicated slot to push" strategy on Voss. And then, I'm scum for "agreeing with you on more than one point"... which is a little ridiculous. Guillo also brought up a good point about PQ townreading Voss, who also is into agreeing with what other people say, but scumreading me for the same reason.
I would say that's pretty rich for the first half of D1.
The last lines are signature-worthy xD.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Guillo is probably town if I were to make a read on him rn
Screw that, send her to the Guillotina!
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@<a href="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=46017" target="_blank">Guillo</a>
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https://youtu.be/oGpFcHTxjZs?t=103
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
dunno what went wrong with tags there but w/e i cant edit, figure it out
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Hypothesis: Oliverz is a nubcake and was genuine. Do you have evidence that supports rejecting this hypothesis?
The better question: Why is confirmed nutcake (confirmed not a nub) MM saying "I voiced my support to Oliver's suspicion on you earlier for three reasons..."
Last question: why am I into cakes today? :D
I doubt he was genuine. If he's town, I find it more likely he intentionally exaggerated simply to kick off discussion. For him to be genuine he would have to have somehow convinced himself that Lag's town meta is to post a grand plan within their first three posts, despite the fact that this did not even happen in the one game he played with T!Lag.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Who would be your 2nd choice?
Who said Frinckles was my first choice? I simply said Frinckles would be a good lynch. I wouldn't be against lynching Voss or Oliverz, though. Doubt all three of them are scum, but I've had varying degrees of suspicion on all three.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Who said Frinckles was my first choice? I simply said Frinckles would be a good lynch. I wouldn't be against lynching Voss or Oliverz, though. Doubt all three of them are scum, but I've had varying degrees of suspicion on all three.
Answered my own question. I'm voting Frinckles. That was an RVS vote, though, so I wouldn't say it is my "first choice"
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Is Frinckles a good lynch today?
I will let you answer this question yourself. Why do you ask that? What could your motive possibly be for asking this question outside of testing the waters for a lynch? If you are scum, Frinckles is clear.
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
So your vote is on me because I dislike that you agreed with oliver, whom I disagree with. Is that accurate? Any other reasons?
See my last post.
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Well RIP. I just checked your recent posts hoping that xD doesn't appear.. but it does. So much for my attempt to detect a tell. So inconsistent with xD and XD, too, you bastard!
xD
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I wanna see more from Oliverz. Don't quite see why both Lag and Voss are TRing him. Sure, he did a really early read that kicked off discussion, but it felt a bit forced to me considering it was only 12 posts in the game and based off a flimsy reason. It'd make more sense for T!oliverz, if he thought he understood what T!Lag would do, to wait a little while longer to actually be sure Lag wouldn't say anything about optimal mech play. Instead he attacked Lag immediately, making it so Lag could very easily wiggle out of it if the meta WERE in fact true, and then his future posts kind of drop the topic (only briefly mentioning it in his most recent post) and focus more on mech.
Whole thing feels strange and I'm not quite sure if Oliverz genuinely believed what he was saying (that Lag not immediately making a grand plan within the first 12 posts of the game is scummy for them, despite the fact Lag did not do this in the last game he played with them) or if he was doing it just to look like he was coming into the game swinging.
I also find the 2 people immediately TRing him (voss and lag) and the 1 person actually joining his push (mm) rather strange. Voss has a weird, semi robotic tone which pinged me early on, so out of those 3 I find him the weirdest.
There is a tone change in Lag. Pointing it out, starting the discussion strongly, making people take a stance about his read, all of this is towny and does not seem to be accidental. Oliver gets a townread from me for this; he's doing what a townie should do at gamestart, and I tend to start my town games in a similar manner whenever it's possible and I feel like getting into action quickly.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I doubt he was genuine. If he's town, I find it more likely he intentionally exaggerated simply to kick off discussion. For him to be genuine he would have to have somehow convinced himself that Lag's town meta is to post a grand plan within their first three posts, despite the fact that this did not even happen in the one game he played with T!Lag.
Of course he said it in an exaggerated manner. It's an early D1 spark, it has to be like this; my agreement is with a nuanced stance, not with the literal "lag is supposed to solve the game on the first page" or something like that lol. Would like Oliver to speak for himself on that matter, too.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Legit made me laugh.
BTW I should place a more serious vote here
-vote Frinckles
Not sure which of my posts feels alignment indicative to you but sure.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Not sure which of my posts feels alignment indicative to you but sure.
Doubling down on my vote on Frinckles. NONE! None of your posts were AI! That is the point!
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I will let you answer this question yourself. Why do you ask that? What could your motive possibly be for asking this question outside of testing the waters for a lynch? If you are scum, Frinckles is clear.
I wasnt even asking you, dumbass.
Piss off. I was asking Gikkle to test their commitment to their bullshit early ass vote.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
PQ is painting Frinckles as scummy for "arriving late". Speaking of that, it's inconsistent with his "fine for now" for Loldebite...
I have other reasons, which I have been told by the Host I cannot speak to. So bury it.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Not sure which of my posts feels alignment indicative to you but sure.
No shit, genius. None are, which is why you are suspect. Why would a town~Frink be suck a worthless piece of trash? Start playing or get lynched!
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
by suck i mean such, but we can do the sucking part after the game. excuse my typo.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Of course he said it in an exaggerated manner. It's an early D1 spark, it has to be like this; my agreement is with a nuanced stance, not with the literal "lag is supposed to solve the game on the first page" or something like that lol. Would like Oliver to speak for himself on that matter, too.
Why are you speaking like you know exactly what he meant, despite the fact that all he said was "These 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play" and "Town lag would already come up with a plan"?
Yes, I would also like to see Oliverz speak more about this - he ignored the last time I addressed him, not sure if he just missed it though.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
I wasnt even asking you, dumbass.
Piss off. I was asking Gikkle to test their commitment to their bullshit early ass vote.
Love you too. My question still holds, and you won't evade it through insults (which is a very low blow, by the way, you should know better than this).
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
I have other reasons, which I have been told by the Host I cannot speak to. So bury it.
Not too sure what you're talking about, but if the host told you you can't talk about it, it doesn't exist.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
I wasnt even asking you, dumbass.
Piss off. I was asking Gikkle to test their commitment to their bullshit early ass vote.
Test my commitment to an RVS vote?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Why are you speaking like you know exactly what he meant, despite the fact that all he said was "These 3 posts completely contradict the usual neutral-smart town game play" and "Town lag would already come up with a plan"?
Yes, I would also like to see Oliverz speak more about this - he ignored the last time I addressed him, not sure if he just missed it though.
Idk, perhaps I'm just projecting my own vision on Oliver. It's pretty obvious he didn't mean what he said literally, though, as it simply wouldn't make sense.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Love you too. My question still holds, and you won't evade it through insults (which is a very low blow, by the way, you should know better than this).
Not too sure what you're talking about, but if the host told you you can't talk about it, it doesn't exist.
Your question still holds? Formulate your question bud, considering you want to ask it about something that was NOT addressed to you!
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
Test my commitment to an RVS vote?
Correct, i wanted to see if you stick to it post-RVS (or is it post-RVS yet?).
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Doubling down on my vote on Frinckles. NONE! None of your posts were AI! That is the point!
Okay. Well that's a silly vote and I guess I'd like more explanation for it if it wasn't a purely provokatory vote to get me to post more often.
Who else are you scumreading.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Lolde was AFK whole of Day 1 last game I had with him. How is saying "Loldebite is MIA yet again, hopefully shows before the end of first 24h or else time zone is no longer a great excuse." implying that I want to (mis-)chop them? And no, he was Town.
If you take my Lag comment seriously, then you need to think again.
> What is the purpose of that comment you made on Lag? You tremble in fear now? Why?
Because I am mind-melding with Voss and not as much with oliver (or MM, who is apparently melding with oliver). Simple as that.
> What is interesting about SB16 post?
I intentionally avoided stating specifics, because I want everyone else to think for themselves. I am not Audible, so why don't you go do your own reading and come back and tell me what I found "interesting"? :)
And yeah I know I will get feedback like "oh look PQR getting defensive here and not spilling the beans". I can live with that.
Why would I not take your comment seriously, do I know you to figure that one out? No. Are we in RvS, again no. Is it funny?... nope.
So you are mind melding with Voss and based on that what? you wanna fear kill him? Is that it?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Okay. Well that's a silly vote and I guess I'd like more explanation for it if it wasn't a purely provokatory vote to get me to post more often.
Who else are you scumreading.
You know a fraction of my reason for voting you, which we cannot reveal.
Whom else I am scum-reading? Read the thread, maybe? What a lazy player! You remind me of myself. If you are town, get your shit together.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
So Frinckles claims to be a GREEN onion and NEVER red onion.
In fact, I'd argue my green onion shpeel and your analysis of it clearly hints that you think it was AI.
Not sure why you're denying your own analysis.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Guillo
Why would I not take your comment seriously, do I know you to figure that one out? No. Are we in RvS, again no. Is it funny?... nope.
So you are mind melding with Voss and based on that what? you wanna fear kill him? Is that it?
Idk what fear kill means.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
What is interesting about SB16 post?
I intentionally avoided stating specifics, because I want everyone else to think for themselves. I am not Audible, so why don't you go do your own reading and come back and tell me what I found "interesting"? :)
And yeah I know I will get feedback like "oh look PQR getting defensive here and not spilling the beans". I can live with that.
You are gonna tell me what you found "interesting" instead of avoiding giving me a real answer or I'm just gonna take it like a scum claim and tunnel you to oblivion.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Frinckles
In fact, I'd argue my green onion shpeel and your analysis of it clearly hints that you think it was AI.
Not sure why you're denying your own analysis.
Nice try!
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Idk, perhaps I'm just projecting my own vision on Oliver. It's pretty obvious he didn't mean what he said literally, though, as it simply wouldn't make sense.
I don't think that's super obvious, unless you're completely dismissing beforehand the possibility of S!Oliverz? If you're trying to give Oliverz the benefit of the doubt and argue it's possible he wasn't being super literal/exaggerating a bit in his accusation, that's one thing, but arguing that's OBVIOUSLY what Oliverz was going for is a bit strange when there is always the possibility he's just straight up scum going for early aggression.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I will let you answer this question yourself. Why do you ask that? What could your motive possibly be for asking this question outside of testing the waters for a lynch? If you are scum, Frinckles is clear.
@PQRnHack
this question, i.e. is frinckles a good lynch today (and why), + why you asked that to Gikkle, is quite comprehensible and is obviously directed to you. You're acting in bad faith lol.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
You know a fraction of my reason for voting you, which we cannot reveal.
I have no idea what this means. I never talk about my FM games with anyone outside of thread especially not people who are playing regardless of whether they're dead.
Except one time I told Oberon "My bad" immediately after lynching him and he flipped town. But that's it, really.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Guillo
You are gonna tell me what you found "interesting" instead of avoiding giving me a real answer or I'm just gonna take it like a scum claim and tunnel you to oblivion.
It is simple. First off, tell me what was "interesting" (more than one in my book). Then you decide - do you want to pressure me on what i found interesting or do you want to tell me what YOU think I found interesting? Make your choice.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Both. In the post you're quoting, I am referring to PQ when I say "scumspect of mine", though, since you were talking about my PQ-related stuff.
Ok then I will work with you today.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Gikkle
I don't think that's super obvious, unless you're completely dismissing beforehand the possibility of S!Oliverz? If you're trying to give Oliverz the benefit of the doubt and argue it's possible he wasn't being super literal/exaggerating a bit in his accusation, that's one thing, but arguing that's OBVIOUSLY what Oliverz was going for is a bit strange when there is always the possibility he's just straight up scum going for early aggression.
If Oliver was a brand new player who tends to be overly aggressive without thinking about the consequences of his posts, then you would be right. But here, it seems safe to rule out that possibility, considering it makes no sense as scum and is obviously not going to result in Lag getting lynched; he'd have to be a lunatic to believe he could actually get Lag lynched that way.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
oliverz144
However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
completing this tmrw
At least Oliver understands my plight.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
Guillo
You are gonna tell me what you found "interesting" instead of avoiding giving me a real answer or I'm just gonna take it like a scum claim and tunnel you to oblivion.
Okay, I fail to give you an interesting answer. But have you given me your interesting answer?
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Looking forward to more critical analysis from Oliver to bust this game open.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
Knowledge does not always involve talking.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Idk what fear kill means.
Means killing or chopping someone out of fear of his quality as a player.
The reasons you guys are giving is "oh so so player is so good that I could easily get snowed if he is scum so let's kill them before they snow us, in case they are a wolf", which is a poor excuse to find to push someone.
If Lag is chopped in this game is because we find their behavior scummy or he slips, or he commits to misyeets every day and we have to resolve them to clear PoE, not because he could be this mighty player that makes your legs tremble in fear.
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Re: S-FM 336: (Ladder) Politico II
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Originally Posted by
PQRnHack
Okay, I fail to give you an interesting answer. But have you given me your interesting answer?
Are you playing with me, I never voiced having an "interesting" opinion. You said that SB16 read was interesting, interesting based on what or in contrast to what? There has to be something that you know to find it interesting instead of flat, no?