S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

-vote fm-mafia bro

Wrong website
Answers or death

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

What do you mean "lover-type alignment"? Do you know something about any non-town alignments in this game?

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Good point.

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Originally Posted by FM-Mafia Bro

Check their iso bro, the receipts are all there man all you have to do is open your seeing eye and the truth will set you free

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Man a lil scummish != scumslip

!= conf outed lock scum

Are you maybe just a little.... not smart?

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

I cannot agree on this point. I spent most of the weekend away from the Internet, and I guess I'm not alone. This does not mean that I do not participate and do not express my thoughts.

Despite the fact that most of your actions are credible, I can not help but note that you have been working in a team with Is that a leaf and Father since the first pages. For a game with such a huge number of players, this is not a bad tactic for the mafia (or other anti-town faction). Most of the players will get confused in what is happening and just cling to your company. This is pure psychology: the maximum party size for effective communication is 7 players. When there are more of them, loners will join the organized group. Even the 12-player games I played were won with this strategy.

Killing lowposters is bad strat.

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Yeah this semms kinda true considering the thingy abt social group conversation max. Sizes, but any proof?
Any psychological studies?

So i can read them myself and be smarter?

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Originally Posted by FM-Father and Sun

I dont see it.

I dont really believe you believe it too

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Same man, the bro seems spittin empty words

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Originally Posted by FM-Father and Sun

Yh also around the vote hat he makes he doesn't even mention it.

He states in the post before "I gotta find somewhere to vote"


Tbh feels like jester play. Trying to get killed

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Or scum trying to be
Twtbaw

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

Elaborate.

-vote FM-Myopia

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Are you scum tpr fishing?
Fos on you
Sadly i cant double vote

Mafia bro is a pressure vote, but chad is scummy now

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...sand+Rolecards

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Wow nice you actually got back to me, only like 48+ hours late lol. OK that's fair, I didn't check the links at the bottom for the examples and such. Good good, you are were not completely BSing then.

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Originally Posted by FM-ohno

At the moment, yes

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How attached are you to it, do you wanna do me, and by extension, town, a favor?

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Originally Posted by FM-Mr Pain

Haven't been around lately; having a busy weekend.

I had hoped I would've achieved more with my earlier activity but this is what I got so far:

Chad: Probably the strongest town-read to take away from my earlier ruckus. There's a lot to be said for Chad being town I think, so I'll just point to a post I think was particularly good:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post959290

Kitty: Interacted with me a bit on the issue before saying "huh". At first I was really agitated by the fact they didn't really elaborate on that to me (aiding my confusion) but now that I've thought about it I feel like this is exactly the place where a wolf would want to say something other than "huh" and/or get involved with the push against me. If the wolf didn't want to get involved, they could've just not responded at all there. Mild town-read here.

Comrade: This guy said he would let a vote simmer on me but doesn't explain it. He then later corrects the vote with (again) hardly any explanation. I don't know what to do with this guy but I don't believe what he has done with respect to me is towny. Largely null here.

Eyes: iirc didn't really touch my TMI argument but did disagree with one of my few arguments before-then. They ended up voting SOMETHING somehow (along with me) anyways so I found that to be concerning. Haven't had much time to look into it. Null towards maybe lean-scum.

BlueBeard: I don't like how they've been largely focusing on my slot and nothing else. Especially with the double-standards I noted earlier where he implied he would see me worse if I "abandoned" the TMI argument, and in a different post roughly around the same time he also said me staying on the TMI argument "troubled" him. Feels like cover to explain having done nothing else, while also for pushing me. Lean-scum.

ITS SOMETHING is someone I've held off on reading for the time being, given the context between me and him; I want to re-assess him on d2.

Anyone else I can't really remember or didn't seem to make an impression on me.

Now I gtg to finish HW for one course and then type up a 4-page (single-space) paper in the next 24 hours. I probably will be low-activity until like either Tuesday morning or Wednesday evening (I'm in one of the USA time-zones for reference), after which I'll definitely have been through most of my mid-term stuff. Assuming I'm not shot dead in the night for whatever reason.

-vote unvote

I'll check in around EoD to see if there's any relevant @'s of me, and to place my vote onto a wagon I find more likely to be town-lead. It doesn't seem like BlueBeard is a good wagon for today considering its a bit late to discuss them; such discussion would be great post-flip for solving purposes. Otherwise, consider me gone.

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So much bad shit.
You dont place a vote on a town-lead wagon; you place a vote on a scum.
Placing a vote on a town lead wagon, on a townie in a t/t argument is trash.
Placing a vote on a scum lead wagon which is a bus of s/s is good, however. We dont win by voting with the goodies- we win by voting out THE baddies. And a scumgroup lead wagon on a scum of another group is also +EV for us - we just dont need to give town cred to the wagon voters and pushers.

Next point re:kitty
"Huh" is EXACTLY what a scum could, and often does say to being voted. They, the scums, feel an INNER URGE to react to that, they NEED to reply to that, they think its so "townie" and hope for the wifom you are giving them.
The only reason why we arent turboing kitty rn is - "huh" isnt scum exclusive. Reaction to being voted has the same pool of possible answers by both alignments: town and antitown.
Conclusion: reaction to being voted is completely (or atleast mostly) NAI. Sad to say yes, but we cant analyse that.

Re:commander
You say that he did so untowny posts/botes movement, yet he is null?

Thats the most i remember, probably much to say still.

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Originally Posted by FM-Dark Unicorn

For the much larger issue-
Just to say it up front I had problems with Tesseract's eod1 before saying this. It absolutely felt like they were more pushing against the Myopia train than pushing for the Eyes lynch which felt very weird to me.

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Not sure if you did not read my EOD1 or what. What happened is up until about 30 minutes before EOD1 I thought Eyes made the claim that was actually made by SOMETHING (I misread, more than once, Eyes's ISO in that his first post was actually a short post that quoted a large wall from SOMETHING, and I mistakenly viewed it as Eyes's wall). Prior to this realization I saw people pushing for Eyes and I got on their defense, which was found not a good defense because I was doing it largely for role-claim reasons. See posts below, to say that I was pushing against Myopia train is not correct, as I said I would rather lynch Purple or Myopia over Eyes at that time.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...962#post959962
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...966#post959966

After my realization that the first Eyes post was a quote of SOMETHING and not their own roleclaim, the potential town equity from Eyes dropped in my eyes (pardon the pun). So I was content with chopping Eyes.

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

I feel comfortable staying here now, after that outburst. That feels like a scum that’s upset that they’ve been scumread because the believe it is for the wrong reasons.

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You also know perfectly well that it can be a town thats upset that he has been scumread because they know it is for bullshit reasons.
Get that wifom out

I bought 22 rocks. Whatever use gold may have isn't worth keeping it for.
Would like to see more from Kitty Cat Dance today.

-vote FM-Father and Sun

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

I was hacked.

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Where you like in game hacked?
Or from a person thats outside the game?(highly unlikel)

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Originally Posted by FM-Dark Unicorn

The way they intentionally post farmed and admitted it would grow their power was an issue (honestly I am kinda irked nobody else saw as a problem given they didn't want to even talk about 'how' it grew their power) Even now does nobody else have issues with this? We literally just allowed for someone to gain power and they claimed double votes with no reveal in a setup where roles are not AI. Who is to say if we just created a scum mayor or what other functions they may have?

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If I were scum, I probably would not have revealed that post lives matter. I appreciate your paranoia and that is good to have in a strong town. The reason I kept quiet about the expectation of having 2 votes is that I did not want someone to mess with my votes via N1 action. You may note that vote manipulation (including the extra vote power that I have) is considered a sharp mechanic. This is proof that sharp mechanics are not "out" just that they were scrutinized more heavily for balance purposes. If I (town) have a sharp mechanic, it is likely that evils do as well. Press F to doubt, but I hope you will sooner or later come to the conclusion that I am town via collective information about me.

Also, note to constantly check the shop. Someone's listed a "Extra Strong Ninja Vigilante", which is probably BS, but good to take note of what "actions" appear.

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

Look at their content on this page. That outburst doesn’t appear townminded to me.

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Hmm yeah dang man your pfp has more than 50% red of the pixels
Thats red it shows you are mafia and evil russian
Thats a scum slip lets lynch you


[Hk][/hk]
See how thats a totally bullshit reason?
SEE IT?!?
thats why im tilted, because this community always had and always will have strange brains (exchange strange with another s word)
I mean - yes. Im not fully focused on the game here, i talk about off topic things, yes, thats -ev, im trying to get better, be more focused, yes you are right, i suck at that, even in non anon games, i talk shit, not game related, thats a manko of me. Accepted, am trying my best.

But when TYPING and TYPO and GRAMMAR misstakes are considered AI IN EITHER WAY
THAN THAS FUCCING BAFFLING
ITS RVS? - OK, THEN ITS ACCEPTABLE, FUNNY META JOKE HAHA WE ALL LAUGHED.
But other than that- im mutherfuccing raging

Thats so ai as a pfp made be4 the game

Stupid fuccer

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Originally Posted by FM-Dark Unicorn

D2 they go hard information over analysis while slipping on a confidence tell. In 1688 "Everyone knew Inconspicuous was non-town yesterday except, apparently, you."
Consider what is said here. It speaks to absolute certainty without reasoning. It also does not fit with their actions in that if they were so sure Inconspicuous is scum they should be hammering on that point while instead they are just referring to it as a counter point to some shit? Nah. Even if they want to claim some mechanical reason for this belief this is not how a town player with mechanical info that someone is scum behaves. This feels like a form of hard slip to me. I do not see a world where this thought process was made in good faith.

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Hah, I was wondering if anyone would call me out on the "everyone" part, as I was not actually sure that it was "everyone" else besides Purple or not, I welcome more thoughts on this (on the Lover) from you and others. I townread Comrade, who was willing to do some sacrifice to place vote with townies as opposed to doing what he described as a more optimal strategy for his slot. After he said this, I told him to go ahead and save himself if he believed he could do so (in part because I didn't have strong feelings between Eyes, Myopia, Purple, and yeah you can shade me for masterminding a tie or whatever, we already had a 3-way 4-vote tie at the time when I had this discussion with Comrade). I expect Lover to be either Neutral or Scum Faction (heartbreaker type). As I said on D1, if it is neutral/3P then I hope Inconspicuous will start voting and give us that additional town vote (follow Comrade's lead). Incons is made even more likely non-town when we see a lover-like Lovestruck role flip from FM-Eyes, who was town. So why check "town or not town" as Purple did on a slot that is almost surely not town? It's a waste of an investigative ability. I already said it D1, two votes affiliated with town (town~Comrade and his lover~Incons) are better than 0, so I don't want either of them to die. Factional scum do.

@FM-Comrade PickleRadish btw you do need to talk to Inconspicuous and get him more active. He didn't even vote D1, that needs to change if you two are to maintain strong equity for town.

FM-Dark Unicorn do you have any new information about your parasitic infection? We need some more info about that especially since no deaths occurred N1. It is possible we are dealing with poisoner/arso type mechanics and delayed deaths. Also possible that we have a Cult, which is a sharp mechanic but is certainly possible.

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Originally Posted by FM-CBI Agent

Why? An argument I can see for lynching the lover duo is because lover tends to be a neutrally aligned role, and getting rid of more players on d1 so we can focus our PoE isn't a bad move, unless both of them are town or town-aligned.
On the other hand we already got rid of one scum and (likely) another, mislynching here would probably be deemed "acceptable-losses".
Comrad's been a decently active slot, having active slots is almost always good as opposed to not.
Thinking out loud here.

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Are yall deaf or smth?
Commander pickel raddish is fcing town

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Originally Posted by FM-Forsaken Bones

Also, note to constantly check the shop. Someone's listed a "Extra Strong Ninja Vigilante", which is probably BS, but good to take note of what "actions" appear.

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LMAO that sounds like an explosion waiting to happen while I'm sitting on a toilet. Of note is that they didn't bother to even put in any ability description (real or fake) in the listing. Very shady seller alert!

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

I can’t believe I had a townread on you at one point in time.

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Are you prileples scu m mate?
Thats like the 3rd or 2nd instance of you weirdly defening purple against other players
So either you are scum whiteknighting/pocketing purple
Or you are purples scum mate
You are outed scum.

-vote fm-chad knight

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Originally Posted by FM-Mafia Bro

BOOM, ROASTED LMAO

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Very funny, coughed so hard people panic looked onto me

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

About half of my questions in the game remained unanswered :)

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Smae man, lifes hard

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Was away for a few hours. No, I do not know anything about non-town alignments other than what I can analyze from the events unfolding before us. I believe, however, that SB16 role holder is not town:
a) they have not come forward and claimed
b) Dark Unicorn is infected by a parasite (likely coming from SB16)
c) The role description is evil (released a toxin into town's water supply)
d) Missing information about what else they do, meaning their faction/alignment has extra text containing more details that we are not aware of because those were not disclose in the ROLE flip (they are not part of the ROLE, they are part of faction/alignment).
e) The Lover comment i made was one possibility. Cult is another (spreading infections). Executioner is one that to me makes the most sense, because SB16 role was stated to NOT know who their target player is, only that they would know that player's role, alignment, private chat info. Exec kinda makes sense there, with the goal of locating the unknown target (which Dark Unicorn has inadvertently revealed). Exec mission could be to see their target die or it could be of the type "each night guess a player who is infected, if you guess right, they die and you win".

What I meant by lover-type alignment is that SB16 role holder may be in love with a person but not know whom they are in love with, so their mission may be to identify who is their infected target and try to survive (and try to avoid the kill on their partnered target). Or try to kill them (Exec). Setup speculation really, but I am sure one of these several scenarios is the likely situation in front of us.

Also now that I see Comrade has claimed to be in love with Inconspicuous, it seems we do have a Lover in Inconspicuous (could be solo neut, could be part of a faction, who knows).

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Town lovers impossible or what?

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Originally Posted by FM-Forsaken Bones

Also, note to constantly check the shop. Someone's listed a "Extra Strong Ninja Vigilante", which is probably BS, but good to take note of what "actions" appear.

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Agreed with this. First because its really funny second because it can be usefull

also someone listed a "aligment cop peek"

i call bogus

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Originally Posted by FM-Eyes

Is this an implication that I'm scum for not talking aimlessly to the void, like you? It's wolfy of me that I don't want to clog up the already long thread (due to the high number of players) with useless posts that people will scumread me for posting?

Would you like to hear about my workday? That my dog ate my food off the table while being the size of a chihuahua-how did she get up there? That I have a massive headache that hasn't gone away? That that cloud I'm driving under looks like Robert de Niro?

If you do, I can oblige. I really can. Otherwise I'm gonna do what I'm gonna do which is say things when I want to how I want to about what I want to which /should/ be how you should want those "free flowing thoughts" in the first place, No?

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Get owned
all those mislim pushers

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

I can agree that the virus role is probably scum. But I do NOT agree that the lover role is strictly factional/3p. It could absolutely be role mechanical.

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How tf is virus role scum when we know that roles were designed alignment neutral?

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

How tf is virus role scum when we know that roles were designed alignment neutral?

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Thats what i also wanted to ask tessearct btw

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

Town lovers impossible or what?

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Jeez, how about you catch up to today and the present thread state? I am getting tired of your replies to age-old posts as if you are playing this game 48 hours in the past. You can find answers or at least ideas about your latest question by referring to EOD1 host's post (Eyes's flip) as well as in my post from a few minutes ago that can be found here:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...l=1#post960411

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

Thats what i also wanted to ask tessearct btw

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-vote FM-Tesseract

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

True. It's in the spirit of the host to make two players from different factions love each other :)

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Noo....??
Thats not laggy at all

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

Noo....??
Thats not laggy at all

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Your voice is lagging, can you say that again?

jokes aside, why are we taking host meta into possibility when this is not bastard

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

So I have more real life than you. And?

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Get owned fake mayonnaise

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

Get owned fake mayonnaise

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good talk

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

So I want to point out again that Eyes revealed their card in their first post. I know this may be WIFOM, but do ya'll really believe a solo 3P would reveal it like that at start of D1? Can they be part of a multi-player evil faction? Maybe, but it seems like a weird role to have that basically benefits from their own teammates voting them up (to ensure more than 1 alignment amongst voters on Eyes). I guess it can happen, makes for a convenient Bus from a teammate and gives them the ability to kill during the day. But then we would likely know (or at least suspect) Eyes to be the day-time shooter, he can only shoot players that were on his wagon, and we can question his choices of shot (in case it was to avoid a teammate who voted them). If he is town, then it may prove helpful for us to learn how many factions voted him up, he is in a way an investigator of the people voting him.

Or he lied about the role and it's all BS, I guess. I don't want to think this to be the case.

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A. How did you come to day serial killer for votes?
B. Gtfo with that wifomism, wifom wifom wifom in a bastard role madness
Thats like player brain madness
Like predicting whats inside a bag you see in the metro or smth

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

More like an MMORPG where we farm resources, earn gold and buy gear.


Someone please show TikTok to our friend from the crypt.

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I like those words of You

I saw a bunch of bones-bones interaction on and around 1300
And dang
Are those two like scum mates?
It happened already earlier around maybe 900
Dang dang dang
Thats a scummy af
Since the fr0g fracti0n role submission

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

Thats what i also wanted to ask tessearct btw

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It was suspected on D1 (at least by me and some others) that it is a non-town alignment possessing this role. We don't "know".

What I know is that initial role submissions were to be alignment-agnostic. Whether everyone followed through on that, I don't know, but Dark Unicorn hinted that someone had other plans:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...ral#post959429

Submissions can then be modified and rebalanced by host "without your knowledge". I would not be surprised that things like town's water supply were added later on to align to the role's alignment/win-con for flavor.

Do you believe we have a town-aligned Stealthbomber16 role who "unleashed telepathic brain maggot into the town's water supply" especially if this applied to Dark Unicorn who claimed that he "was infected by a parasite"? I don't believe so. Am I 100% certain? No, and I want to hear more from Dark Unicorn and whether he has learned anything new about this infection N1.

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

I don't feel strongly about Eyes, I would rather we lynch Purple or Myopia today. Eyes is clearly mistaken about his deep idea on Chad's post "town and town" (paraphrasing). Typos and brainfarts happen, and even though Eyes could be right some of the time, it is not a strong lead against Chad. Does Eyes deserve to die for making a bad play? Not really. Is there anything else scummy about Eyes that I have not picked up on?

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I fuccing laughed so hard i had to caugh for a minute

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

A. How did you come to day serial killer for votes?
B. Gtfo with that wifomism, wifom wifom wifom in a bastard role madness
Thats like player brain madness
Like predicting whats inside a bag you see in the metro or smth

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There is no predicting, it was stated in plain sight by a player (do you even know which one?) about the day kill ability that is contingent on certain conditions that also involve votes. Stop asking me to do the reading and playing the game for you. You probably still don't know that I misinterpreted SOMETHING's post for Eyes's post.

Go do some reading of your own.
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showt...662#post958662

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Originally Posted by FM-ohno

-vote FM-Tesseract

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Oh no. You are voting me because I suspect that Stealthbomber16 is likely a non-town aligned role? What changed between D1 and D2 in your views on me and on that specific SB16 view of mine? And tell me your reasoning for why I am the better vote for you than Chad Knight, to whom Myopia's question was initially addressed (before they quoted it and then mentioned they also wanted to ask me the same question)? Please explain the rationale for your vote and why you are quoting a question (from Myopia to me, initially posed to Chad) as if that is some kind of a justification? I had not even answered the question yet.

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Originally Posted by FM-Is that a leaf

Hm, perhaps we are not reading the same game parts. There is so much going on lol.

<3
You are the best toaster I have ever met


yes, hello my good sir. Care to explain why you put that vote on me without having EVER addressed me before, and why it remains just before EoD? That would be nice. Not that I feel threatened, but rather that it indicates you have nothing better to do than to vote a random guy (me) without reasons, and that is not exactly good.

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Says you
Who sr 3 different people, including me, hwne they had like 2 or 3 posts or smth
You are so double standarted i bleurgh