S-FM 172: Mystery Box III

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Originally Posted by Suntax

On a more serious note the setup I think is like this
town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Mason
sheriff

Mafia
Mafia member
other maf role (consort ect)

Triad
godfather

I would encourage other comrades to put there setup thoughts down so we can see what level of thinking we are in
On this note we can also get feedback(if any) to assit the setup thought process as I believe if we can get a well thought out plan as to what the setup can be we will have a much better idea who to hunt for and where to lynch.

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I too am leaning towards a more standard, calm setup at the moment. Would contrast with what I've heard/ seen about the other MBs so it would make sense.

No feedback here.

Even if we don't have the slightest clue as to what people are, we can still get information from how people react and match that up to standard [insert role here] behaviour.

Let's do that. In fact, let's pick someone who really could stand to talk a little bit more.

-vote Mikecall

You. You did not post anything useful yesterday. Your thoughts. Give them please. Why do you think SuperJack was killed? Do you agree with the current ideas for setup spec? If you had to pick 4 scum candidates, who would you pick and why?

Anyone else can answer this as well. Suntax, you're here so let's get the ball rolling.

Superjack was doing his thing on day 1 and shitposting and due to the fact he blatantly claimed citizen the mafia/mafias decided it would bebetter to take a punt and rid of suspected town player on the offchance the claim was not a shit post.
by current ideas you mean calm citizen heavy setup with low for then yes I agree.
give me a second to look over the day yesterday and the player list to try and perceive an idea of scum

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Originally Posted by Suntax

Superjack was doing his thing on day 1 and shitposting and due to the fact he blatantly claimed citizen the mafia/mafias decided it would bebetter to take a punt and rid of suspected town player on the offchance the claim was not a shit post.
by current ideas you mean calm citizen heavy setup with low for then yes I agree.
give me a second to look over the day yesterday and the player list to try and perceive an idea of scum

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Agreed. I would say that he was posting a bit more than he usually would, although I haven't seen much of his play outside of shitposting so I'm no expert here.

I'm going to be blatantly prejudiced and frown on all the low-content posters (who have not given a good reason). Since it's around the Christmas period, I'm inclined to be generous about Day 1 as people would have been busy, but if they continue to lurk then I'll be inclined to lynch them as a last resort if no better leads come up.

To go over scum I only have 3 ideas which fits nicely with the old 3 mad set up idea
mikecall and numbertwo: both of these had very low posting and literally gave no infomation in anysense,while I do say I have no info yesterday I posted more then them and atm I believe we need to learn more from then
Funce:besides shitposting funce gave off a couple vibes that itched scum
one of these posts was the post that he was the only one with his role which is strange as it puts together two possibilities
he is softclaiming a pr role or neutral role of some sorts
ir he is driving attention of hisself being a scum by softclaiming a pr role so he fall back on it if he needs to.
he could of been shitposting but I doubt it plus he was imo the only player giving off scummy vibes in day 1.

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Originally Posted by Calix

I'm going to be blatantly prejudiced and frown on all the low-content posters (who have not given a good reason). Since it's around the Christmas period, I'm inclined to be generous about Day 1 as people would have been busy, but if they continue to lurk then I'll be inclined to lynch them as a last resort if no better leads come up.

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agree here as such I will follow suit with your vote

-vote mikecall

On the account of activity it's close to work ending time in America I believe so the muricans should be on soon

And because I was vague in that last post and I'd just hate for people to let that fly over their heads, here's a shitty overview of Day 1 for me...

Numbertwo - His meta is to act scummy, but even with that in mind, he seemed a bit too focused on wanting a lynch yesterday as he didn't talk about much else. Scum lean.

RLVG - Reasonable post count. Likes gaming. I'm shocked. Otherwise null read.

Thornholt - Posted a fair amount, but most of it was more gaming talk. Seems about as derpy as last game, but that doesn't tell me much. Going with null

Mikecall - Scum lean for his unusual lurking style this game.

Funce - Null read, has done little out of the ordinary yet. That 'I'm so totally unique as a role' post is odd; how can you be so sure?

TheDarkestLight - Reading TLC on Day 1? LOL. All I can say is that they shitposting right alongside me as usual <3

Suntax - Is contributing more than I've seen him do before. I approve of this behaviour and hope it continues.

Stealthbomber16 - Null. I'm pretty sure this is his usual style.

Woah Woah Woah, did i wake up to a angry calvary of people,

But seriously, i havent got much to give for feedback wise, with No Feedback of course

Why Superjack was killed, I aint sure, maybe it was to remove the troll posts, maybe it was for quick votes, i dont know, would need to reread for a further evaluation.

For scum suspects, relate back to my third point, will have a big post done and who knows, maybe you guys might like it.

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Originally Posted by Suntax

To go over scum I only have 3 ideas which fits nicely with the old 3 mad set up idea
mikecall and numbertwo: both of these had very low posting and literally gave no infomation in anysense,while I do say I have no info yesterday I posted more then them and atm I believe we need to learn more from then
Funce:besides shitposting funce gave off a couple vibes that itched scum
one of these posts was the post that he was the only one with his role which is strange as it puts together two possibilities
he is softclaiming a pr role or neutral role of some sorts
ir he is driving attention of hisself being a scum by softclaiming a pr role so he fall back on it if he needs to.
he could of been shitposting but I doubt it plus he was imo the only player giving off scummy vibes in day 1.

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Good, solvey point on Funce. I hadn't thought about it in that light. I'll await their response before we pounce on this as a scum tell though.

Agreed on #2 and Mikecall. Even by their meta standards, this is subpar.

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Originally Posted by Mikecall

Woah Woah Woah, did i wake up to a angry calvary of people,

But seriously, i havent got much to give for feedback wise, with No Feedback of course

Why Superjack was killed, I aint sure, maybe it was to remove the troll posts, maybe it was for quick votes, i dont know, would need to reread for a further evaluation.

For scum suspects, relate back to my third point, will have a big post done and who knows, maybe you guys might like it.

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Also to add to my lovely post, maybe there is a specific reason I am lurking.

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Originally Posted by Mikecall

Woah Woah Woah, did i wake up to a angry calvary of people,

But seriously, i havent got much to give for feedback wise, with No Feedback of course

Why Superjack was killed, I aint sure, maybe it was to remove the troll posts, maybe it was for quick votes, i dont know, would need to reread for a further evaluation.

For scum suspects, relate back to my third point, will have a big post done and who knows, maybe you guys might like it.

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Why 'of course' for having no feedback? That seems unusually certain for you.

Yes, please reread. And make a long-ass post. I'll probably be asleep by the time you're done but you Americans and other peasants can all dig into it while I'm gone.

"specific reason" for lurking? Because you are scum that's in the same game as me? ;)

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Originally Posted by Calix

Why 'of course' for having no feedback? That seems unusually certain for you.

Yes, please reread. And make a long-ass post. I'll probably be asleep by the time you're done but you Americans and other peasants can all dig into it while I'm gone.

"specific reason" for lurking? Because you are scum that's in the same game as me? ;)

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You do forget I live in the UK also, so same time span xD.

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Originally Posted by Mikecall

You do forget I live in the UK also, so same time span xD.

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"You Americans" was directed at everyone else, of course.

Also, using xD emoticons will not distract me from the fact that you didn't answer my question, sweetie :P

Reasons your lurking
Irl
your scum
your a mason
your a neut
your a bored citizen
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let's go through
irl is a struggle but we would appreciate if you notified us of the fact you have stuff going on

masons are like citizens they can contribute well in the day and have the added bonus of contribution to other masons for better day chat so it not a mason.

well you could be.

Neutral,still not read setup properly but I understand there is neuts jester included so a lurking to get lynched as a jester is a strategic move indeed but unlikely

You can still contribute as a citizen

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Originally Posted by Calix

"You Americans" was directed at everyone else, of course.

Also, using xD emoticons will not distract me from the fact that you didn't answer my question, sweetie :P

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I know, but I always like using emoticons, something of a speciality with me,

But also i like to add that Superjack, with his troll behaviour on day 1, may of been a good candidate since he was the only one who said a role which would of made him a major target

Even if it is a simple one like Citizen.

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Originally Posted by Calix

"You Americans" was directed at everyone else, of course.

Also, using xD emoticons will not distract me from the fact that you didn't answer my question, sweetie :P

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Calix your not river song don't use sweetie it does not correlate well .

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Originally Posted by Mikecall

I know, but I always like using emoticons, something of a speciality with me,

But also i like to add that Superjack, with his troll behaviour on day 1, may of been a good candidate since he was the only one who said a role which would of made him a major target

Even if it is a simple one like Citizen.

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Your regurgitation of infomation is scum like to say the least
still evading the question aswell
2 more points on the scum level

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Originally Posted by Suntax

Calix your not river song don't use sweetie it does not correlate well .

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I'm sure SuperJack is beaming rainbows at you right now for referencing Doctor Who. brb, fending off fanboy squealing.

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Originally Posted by Mikecall

I know, but I always like using emoticons, something of a speciality with me,

But also i like to add that Superjack, with his troll behaviour on day 1, may of been a good candidate since he was the only one who said a role which would of made him a major target

Even if it is a simple one like Citizen.

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Trolling = Worthy of Night Kills? wut. Is this some more shitty site meta that I'm about to have whacked into me like a rubber chicken?

Thanks for more of your scum meta; you don't claim a role Day 1 ;)

Did you watch the Christmas special,I am able to aquire it using live bbc hookup on BBC iPlayer it was a very good special.

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Originally Posted by Suntax

Did you watch the Christmas special,I am able to aquire it using live bbc hookup on BBC iPlayer it was a very good special.

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I'm afraid I have not. I was busy catching up on the Sherlock episodes because that's what my family wanted us to do. The special for that is coming out in January, so that's why.

Oh cool never watched Sherlock but I know it has Benedict Cumberbatch in it
been watching the blacklist of illegal torrent sites it's a good show

But back on track mikecall better start talking or you will be calling,calling for your mother you worthless cunt
not aggro atall but in seriousness Mike start talking bout some real shit because if you just left us then that's scummy as fuck

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Originally Posted by Suntax

Oh cool never watched Sherlock but I know it has Benedict Cumberbatch in it
been watching the blacklist of illegal torrent sites it's a good show

But back on track mikecall better start talking or you will be calling,calling for your mother you worthless cunt
not aggro atall but in seriousness Mike start talking bout some real shit because if you just left us then that's scummy as fuck

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To be fair it is like, ten past one in the morning over here but he should have said something anyway. I'm going to bed. Hope Mikey comes up with a better defense than this.

K see you later it's like 10 past 11 Sunday morning here bloody time differences eh.

I guess my random Citizen shitposting would lead to my death tonight, and then Funce afterwards.

Also Suntax, how the fuck do you mess up 5 posts in a row? It asks and stops you upon seeing copies of the same post, are you using a bootleg Tappachat or something lol?

The theory that there's 1 sheriff and 1 mason with rest Citizen is kinda meh. If Mafia has two good shots, that theorized setup is FUBAR.

I don't know my internet stopped working then I clicked the post reply 5 times and it dident do anything so I restarted my phone and it posted all 5
well on the other note what would you put as a setup idea then Mr henriksen

Godfather
Framer

Electromaniac

Sheriff
Doctor
Doctor
Escort
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen



What do you think? Something completely different.

Very different to what I would expect
Why the electromaniac and two doctors

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Originally Posted by Suntax

Very different to what I would expect
Why the electromaniac and two doctors

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Because two doctors are obliged to keep healing, but the Electromaniac makes it dangerous... I'm not sure if they can heal electromaniac attacks though as it says "kill". Elaborate.

*poof* *Sparkle* *Sparkle*
I HAVE ARRIVED!
AFTER COUNTLESS HOURS TENDING TO FAMILY MEMBERS!
I HAVE RETURNED!

Now that's over.
My comment was more of a passing thing.

(Lots of stuff about me being too passive, removed)

I hope so hard to RLVG is town. (Grammar wut)

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Originally Posted by Funce

I hope so hard to RLVG is town. (Grammar wut)

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That's oddly specific of you. Are you trying to set up a scenario?

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Originally Posted by RLVG

That's oddly specific of you. Are you trying to set up a scenario?

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I'm not trying to set up a scenario.
Why is it notable that it's me being this specific?

Funce please write up a list of who you suspect to be a scum,I recommend that rlvg dies this aswell.
Also please write up your idea of what the setup could be with reasoning if you will.

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Originally Posted by Suntax

I recommend that rlvg dies this aswell.

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I will die with Honor.

LOL I meant does fucking auto correct I swear

Alright, let me grab the player liiiiist.
(Inserts notes)
(Makes up Justifications)
DONE! Here it is!
(Actually goes to do above)
SO here is everyone
Funce - The Half-Thought
RLVG - The Scum Who Looks Town
Calix - The Firebringer
SuperJack - The Chronic Shitposter
Thornholt - The Terrible Avatar Guy
Mikecall - The Page Number Poster (7 Posts, 7 Pages)
TheDarkestLight - The Roaster
Suntax - The Russian
Stealthbomber16 - The Lurker
Numbertwo - The Scum Who Looks Scum

Here is the reads.
Town
Funce - Full Town.
SuperJack - Citizen
RLVG - Hope Town.
Calix - Its Calix.
Stealthbomber16 - Willing to believe towny.
Mikecall - Null
TheDarkestLight - Asshole. Null
Suntax - NULL.
Thornholt - "I'm Mafiaaaahhh" at that point, seems to be a misdirection. Joking or not.
Numbertwo - I don't like his play.
Scum

Thats my Brain splat from memory.

People whom put themselves as town are not town rule 1 in the book
Also stupid buddying with rlvg as misdirection to misdirectvyour scumminess so when you go down you bring a town down with you
or a stupid misdirection so people believe rlvg is town and not mafia

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Originally Posted by Suntax

People whom put themselves as town are not town rule 1 in the book
Also stupid buddying with rlvg as misdirection to misdirectvyour scumminess so when you go down you bring a town down with you
or a stupid misdirection so people believe rlvg is town and not mafia

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*Raises Eyebrow*
I always put myself as most towny, because I know my role.
You can't expect me to put myself as scummy, unless you want me to do an ISO on myself.

Stupid Buddying with RLVG, is noy buddying, I'm only hoping to efwuiblpfubs that he's town.
If all goes well, one of three things could happen.
Only 1 of them not being good for me.

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Originally Posted by Calix

Well you're the guy that was Mason in one Mystery Box and the Tailor that suited everyone as Cult in another, right? So how exactly do we proceed in a setup like this?

I don't even know what questions to ask because setup speculation is pointless and few of the roles are that amazing. Guess I'll be generic.

What role would you want to be and why?

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The Sheriff I would be, for specific reasons, because unless cult or a framer is in the setup, sheriff can be awesome to have, unless you count powerofdeaths other games which happened to have

1 Serial Killer, 2 Terroists, 2 Mafia, 1 Mayor, 1 Sheriff, 1 Doctor, 2 Citizen
2 Godfathers, 3 Sheriff, 2 Mason, 2 Jester, 1 Arsonist

Even though from both of these setups, sheriff was either manipulated very easy or couldnt collect information the normal way.

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Originally Posted by SuperJack

Why are we not lynching Mikecall?

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Originally Posted by SuperJack

Hello!

Oh Dear oh Dear oh Dear.....

Seems like no one has taken the mantal of Town leader.
So I shall take my rightful place. Why is that? Why should you trust me? Because.

I AM CITIZEN!

I will lead this town to victory. You are either with me or against me.

For the glory of king and country!

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RIP Superjack, you were always a good guy.

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Originally Posted by Calix

But will it be Fair and Balanced^TM?

What are your thoughts on lynching today, R2V2 Dearest?

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I would think powerofdeath's setups would be balanced, however, in some weird way to try and mess around with us, If i was to make a setup list, here would be my opinion

For Mafia
Godfather
Tailor

Town
Sheriff
Doctor
Vigilante
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

Neutral
Electromaniac
Survivor

Reasoning behind it is that
Electromaniac : Good for finding out late game if there was visiting roles.
Godfather + Tailor: For manipulating sheriff into thinking there was other roles when there isnt. Maybe also wasting the shots from a vigilante.
Survivor: Nobody can trust a survivor, even when they got 1 automatic and 1 manual vest to work with all game.

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Originally Posted by RLVG

This setup is weird as hell guys.

One of them was two mafia teams with both having two tailors, I as a scum thought "Hey, let's just fake-cult everyone" and hysteria came upon all lol.



I'm going to assume that there will be more red herrings.

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Do you think there would be a same setup with having 2 terroists, 2 mafia and an sk again? I would think powerofdeath would spice things around and maybe have a combo of the 2 different setups, with a twist, to see if they would be balanced.

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Originally Posted by Suntax

i say we lynch, who i dont know but we should lynch because it will give us some information on the games setup

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Lynch on a Day 1? I always say pressuring on day 1 is a optimum use of a good day, unless the individual is acting straight up evil.

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Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16

I'm feeling we got ourselves a cult or mafia setup

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If we have cult, then mafia would have to have a quite strong second individual, like a consig or an actress.

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Originally Posted by Suntax

On a more serious note the setup I think is like this
town
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Mason
sheriff

Mafia
Mafia member
other maf role (consort ect)

Triad
godfather

I would encourage other comrades to put there setup thoughts down so we can see what level of thinking we are in
On this note we can also get feedback(if any) to assit the setup thought process as I believe if we can get a well thought out plan as to what the setup can be we will have a much better idea who to hunt for and where to lynch.

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That setup seems quite of a viability, but with the inclusion of a mason with 5 citizens and 1 sheriff, masons would pretty much be overpowered in the late game if the mafia / triad fail to kill them. Also seems quite basic, I would of thought from mine, an addition of a vigilante and a doctor just for spicing things up.

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Originally Posted by RLVG

Godfather
Framer

Electromaniac

Sheriff
Doctor
Doctor
Escort
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen



What do you think? Something completely different.

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I would say 2 doctors is a little bit much, considering once they know who they are, they can just do a constant circle of healing if the electromaniac or the mafia dies, so either way, town wouldnt lose if both of those doctors are alive.

Godfather + Framer: Seems like a good combo to throwing off the sheriff in the wrong direction, but i would say it would be beneficial for 2 or more sheriffs for this combo for it to work out I would say, but I might be wrong, just speculation.

Overall, Here is my view on who I feel is town to scum.

Mikecall: A pro town, or a noob one I should say.
Superjack: Citizen

Suntax: A good start for a town read, may of posted a few more times than usual, setup seems a good possibility but would make masons very op late game, tries to use past meta to show scumness in reads, Meta = not always a viable option. But overall, a strong town read.
Calix: Wants to know, what I know, come on now, you think this would be my scum meta? anyways, on topic, a good town read, not as strong as Suntax, but is getting there.
RLVG: Neutral at the moment with him, has some good posts, but doesnt seem to me a possible town, maybe a bored citizen? an undercover TPR, or a hiding scum / neutral. But overall, doesnt seems scum in my perspective at the moment.
TheDarkestLight: Turning into more of a scum read, not had many posts which would of been contributed to the town, but would need further analysis of posts in order to actually conclude a good scheme on why thedarkest was scum.
Funce: Can lean either way, has made some good posts for contributing to the town, I would say a hiding citizen is it? but overall, a good read for a town, but still under my suspicion
Thornholt: A person who loves to troll, not made any discussion which would of benefitted the town, (Might of included me also), I would say a good pressure vote and to get some good reads from him which can aid the town.
Numbertwo: Can go either way, not made many posts which would of been beneficial to the town, same suituation that I was in? seems rather suspicious. Ideally, would wait till he posts more till I get a good read on him.
Stealthbomber: A typical troll town, maybe it is for specific reasons, but would want to be careful with this one.

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Originally Posted by Calix

I too am leaning towards a more standard, calm setup at the moment. Would contrast with what I've heard/ seen about the other MBs so it would make sense.

No feedback here.

Even if we don't have the slightest clue as to what people are, we can still get information from how people react and match that up to standard [insert role here] behaviour.

Let's do that. In fact, let's pick someone who really could stand to talk a little bit more.

-vote Mikecall

You. You did not post anything useful yesterday. Your thoughts. Give them please. Why do you think SuperJack was killed? Do you agree with the current ideas for setup spec? If you had to pick 4 scum candidates, who would you pick and why?

Anyone else can answer this as well. Suntax, you're here so let's get the ball rolling.

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For your questions:
1. Got the occasional inactives and actives, those who lurk, I would say why would you desire to not help town with providing invaluable leads or scum tells, I only lurked from trying to find out if anyone was suspicious for using a specific playstyle. Was it used to maybe hide a hidden meaning to help the town or not, maybe so. Suntax's post before with the 4 reasons, 1 of them is correct.

2. I would say Superjack, even when he was not playing a strong town, would of left himself in a position that the scum would of targetted him, maybe it was to give town an extra night for information? if we had sheriffs, but overall, nothing is clear. However, I was thinking superjack sacrificed himself so town can make a lot more focused lynch.

3. Some ideas I do agree with, but some I dont. reasoning behind it is for specific roles which are indicated.
For example

Suntax Setup: Makes an overpowered mason in late game, if that was going to be added, I would of said adding a cultist in with it and removing the Triad Godfather would make the save a lot more of a viable option for powerofdeath to follow through

RLVG Setup: Has some promise, however, a bit too many town power roles, I would say powerofdeath would be having more / equal number of town power roles with citizens to balance things out. 2 Doctors also seems a bit overpowered considering if both of the doctors could just heal each other no matter what.

Scum Candidates:

TheDarkestLight
Stealthbomber
Thornholt

Reasoning
TheDarkestLight: Past meta, he would of been a strong town lead to follow, however, since he hasnt made any posts which regarded a strong connection for him being town, I would say he would be either a bored citizen, or scum, but could also be hiding till he has information that he can follow. Not judging straight away.

Thornholt: Troll town, I would ask him to contribute more like, asking questions, making assumptions, top reads, top scum reads, all that stuff, just so we got something to work with, this could actually be added to many people. But thornholt if i had to answer, would be a good strong lead to pressure.

Stealthbomber: A troll town? but really, I would suggest the same ideas like I said with Thornholt, doesnt percieve me as a potential person for a lynch, but can be good for a pressure vote.

This is a citizen setup becouse pod would never give me citizen unless all townies were citizens.

The argument that there's too many power roles : The target is not informed of being healed by a Doctor. There can't be too many Doctors on certain setups.

1 Sheriff + 2 Doctors + 1 Escort isn't too many either lol.

The only way to learn more of the setup is to kill people and see what they flip.

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Originally Posted by TheDarkestLight

The only way to learn more of the setup is to kill people and see what they flip.

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I'm putting this original and incisive quote on a t-shirt.

Are you volunteering to die?

If not, thoughts on the current players? It's past Day 1.

I got no feedback other than game started.

Ok as of now mikecall has decreased his scum factor due to the detailed posts earlier
on the most part late game masons are only as overpowered as the effort put in by the converts as all masons are a citizen's with a night chat
in other news I'm unvoting Mike and voting funce

-vote Funce

Stealth and #2 as players you have not contributed much as soon as possible I would like the following
either a list of you you think is scum or a full read list
a possible setup and reasoning why
faliure to comply before day end is very scummy.

Sorry I didn't talk much. Real life got in the way, it's holiday season after all.

On my side the only feedback I got was "game started" as well.

As for ideas on the setup and who is what, I have no clue at all. I do believe there's more than a single citizen, that's for sure. And that "I hope I'm the only one of my role" post from Funce still bothers me the most.

Hope that helps people a bit.

Thorn as your here can you post your town reads or scum reads as I am currently compiling a list of all read lists and seeing where they match up and create the ultimate town read list.
Also even if you have no clue I would recommend a simple gues would suffice to see whete your going
a few points when writing up setup
there's 10 players
3 possible mafias
possible cult
possible mason

Also into the fact that I see both mikecall and calix looking at the feedback there's either none or someone hiding something in any case the low feedback could prove a high citizen markup which could correlate to a one tpr one mason citizen cult game with a mafia twist which if true could prove a problem
Also what are the plus signs next to thorn and calix names at the bottom