Yayap was also hinting at it that we were missing something. Maybe that was it.
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Yayap was also hinting at it that we were missing something. Maybe that was it.
Off to dinner. I'll get another 30-45 minuites to post later tonight.
Start enforcing the bandwagons I started.
-Vote Dimwit
-Vote Zane
-Vote Mr. Smarter
-Vote HerrZynisch
-Vote Deathfire
-Vote Echolian
Can someone get a tally up quick?
Might as well quit being single-minded about it
-Vote Deathfire
-Vote Echolian
-Vote Zane
-Vote MrSmarter
@Yayap:
I don't believe anyone is doubting your Game Hosting capabilities. The ML will question was a detail that could have been easily overlooked. I think I can safely say we all appreciate the effort you have put into this game (with a FAQ nearing 200 questions, with many more in PMs!). Especially with the cheating issue. It's difficult to keep a balance, especially while trying to include events.
Keep up the good work. We'll throw a forum party for you after it's all over. =p
Now, back to the game!
-Vote Deathfire
-Vote HerrZynisch
-Vote Echonian
-Vote Dimwit
Oh and
-Vote Zane
Current Vote Tally (Philie's votes count as 4 votes)
Dimwit {12} = Zack, Narks, Deathfire123, Ganondorf, NorthStar, Procyon, CptKirk, Philie, MrSmarter
Deathfire123 {11} = Zack, Ganondorf, Narks, NorthStar, CptKirk, Philie, Procyon, MrSmarter
B]Echonian {9}[/B] = Ganondorf, Deathfire123, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon, MrSmarter
MrSmarter {9} = Zack, Narks, NorthStar, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon
HerrZynisch {7} = Philie, Procyon, CptKirk, MrSmarter
B]Zane {7}[/B] = Philie, CptKirk, Procyon, MrSmarter
Auckmid {6} = Zack, Narks, Philie
TheWaaagh {4} = Philie
Ambient {3} = Zack, Narks, NorthStar
Guardian {3} = Narks, Zack, CptKirk
Muso {2} = Zack, Narks
Procyon {2} = Zack, Narks
TheWaaagh {1} = Ganondorf
Dark.Revenant {1} = Ganondorf
Philie {1} = NorthStar
Goonswarm {1} = NorthStar
Vornskr {1} = NorthStar
BlastYoBoots {1} = NorthStar
Kromos {1} = Ganondorf
Zane {1} = Zack
Kevinpowers {1} = Deathfire123
Citizens need to stop fucking claiming. I think that a lot of the citizen claims are bullshit. Having a citizen claim only means the mafia know which people they can ignore until later on so they can target PRs.
Goddammit.
There are some errors in your tally.
Here's a correct tally. I'm voting Kromos inb4 Fragos disguised as him and is permitted to lurk by the way.
Ambient[3]: Zack, Narks, NorthStar
Auckmid[6]: Zack, Narks, Philie
BlastYourBoots[1]: NorthStar
Dark.Revenant[1]: Ganondorf
Deathfire123[11]: Zack, Ganondorf, Narks, NorthStar, CptKirk, Philie, Procyon, MrSmarter
Dimwit[12]: Zack, Narks, Deathfire123, Ganondorf, NorthStar, Procyon, CptKirk, Philie, MrSmarter
Echonian[9]: Ganondorf, Deathfire123, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon, MrSmarter
Goonswarm[1]: NorthStar
Guardian[3]: Narks, Zack, CptKirk
HerrZynisch[7]: Philie, Procyon, CptKirk, MrSmarter
Kevinpowers[1]: Deathfire123
Kromos(lol)[1]: Ganondorf
MrSmarter[9]: Zack, Narks, NorthStar, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon
Muso[2]: Zack, Narks
Philie[1]: NorthStar
Procyon[2]: Zack, Narks
TheWaaagh[5]: Ganondorf, Philie
Vornskr[1]: NorthStar
Zane[8]: Zack, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon, MrSmarter
(assuming Philie's votes count as 4, not 4 extra)
Hmm sad to see masons are voting me , i guess i was too aggresive...
Anyway back to Realm of the Mad God , too addictive
Oh and everyone saying that oops was a mafia hooker, read again. Its the thief/dark thief thing again. I think he was the escort.
It was already known that I was a citizen, although it is lost in the explosion it was there and I needed to claim in order to get fred lynched.
So the recruit attempt was not a citizen but also not the GF. That much we know now Masons, the question is... Do you want to tell us who you tried to recruit?
Since the ML was shot by a gun there are two options here: Either it was the bus driver's mishap or it was the Gunsmith's mishap (by giving scum a gun). Either way I want to see all those who recieved gunsmith guns claim today just to put light on this turn of events.
Also there's a reason i'm not voting yet, but don't worry I will vote in due time.
It's also possible we tried to recruit the Veteran. In which case, fuck you, Veteran. LVP, imo.
That's a really bad idea. Only those who used a gun should claim. The Dark Thief could just steal a gun still in play and increase the mafia KPN. I don't understand why he hasn't stolen my gun yet to turn me into a worthless citizen, but hey I'm not complaining.
oops was escort, town-aligned. He lead a lynch on two mafia members, so unless he was the Godfather on a traitor hunt he couldn't have been anything else but town. Seeing as the Godfather lynching his own mafia in search of the traitor is one heck of an extremely super unlikely scenario, plus oops can't even be the Godfather, I think its safe to say that oops is town without question.
The people who shot the guns that killed Mcpwnage and Luna should come forward. If you don't do it now then once the gunsmith reveals in the FAR FUTURE you will be scum 100% and be lynched/jailed/killed/etc.
The one who shot Mcpwnage had a good reason to do so, unfortunate if Mcpwnage was really on our side after all but still. The one who shot Luna however, that one will need to come up with a whole lot of excuses as to why he did that. Betting the Luna-shooter is mafia and is not going to say anything in order to force the gunsmith to reveal to lynch him, in which case its a lynch waiting to happen sometime in the future.
Vote Miles
I want him to share his PE finds.
This wouldn't have been an issue if the masons continued growing unchecked, but unfortunately that has now been stunted with the ML's death.
I'm actually disappointed that no BGs, Docs, etc did anything to prevent Luna from dying last night. I know directing actions is generally not a good idea, but we could have just waltzed in to a town win if the ML had been sufficiently protected. We're not in a losing position yet, but it's going to be a lot harder than before IMO.
Not necessarily, I checked this earlier, the order of operations has kills go through BEFORE mason recruits. So there is no way of telling whether the masons were recruiting a citizen or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by illidan
On to the votes. I suspect Blastyoboots.
Reasons: he has not posted very much, posts in that weird way of speaking for an unknown reason, and contributes little when he does post. If for nothing else I'd like to hear something coherent from boots and something useful.
-vote blastyoboots
I also would like to vote Zane. I've been suspicious of Zane for a while, and I have yet to really comb over his posts, but Zane seems scummy. I can't point to many useful attempts at posting, nor can I really say that Zane has been especially active. I sort of think Zane could be trying to walk the line between lurker and contributor to throw us off his scent. NOTE: I MAY RETRACT THIS VOTE UPON FURTHER EXAMINATION
-Vote Zane
Dimwit: I don't really think that dimwit is town either, but since he is so close to being hammered I want to abstain my vote from him until I search over his posts.
Symbolic vote on Dimwit
That's all for now, my attention is too divided atm so I will probably be combing over specific players posts, the context of those posts, and whether they changed or contradict each other tomorrow. I suggest we NOT hammer anyone until at least 24hrs have passed, and to prevent that I ask phillie to unvote to prevent any mafia trains from hammering people.
Ambient[3]: Zack, Narks, NorthStar
Auckmid[7]: Zack, Narks, Philie
BlastYourBoots[1]: NorthStar
Dark.Revenant[1]: Ganondorf
Deathfire123[12]: Zack, Ganondorf, Narks, NorthStar, CptKirk, Philie, Procyon, MrSmarter
Dimwit[13]: Zack, Narks, Deathfire123, Ganondorf, NorthStar, Procyon, CptKirk, Philie, MrSmarter
Echonian[10]: Ganondorf, Deathfire123, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon, MrSmarter
Goonswarm[1]: NorthStar
Guardian[3]: Narks, Zack, CptKirk
HerrZynisch[8]: Philie, Procyon, CptKirk, MrSmarter
Kevinpowers[1]: Deathfire123
Kromos[1]: Ganondorf
Miles[1]: Gandondorf
MrSmarter[10]: Zack, Narks, NorthStar, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon
Muso[2]: Zack, Narks
Philie[1]: NorthStar
Procyon[2]: Zack, Narks
TheWaaagh[6]: Ganondorf, Philie
Vornskr[1]: NorthStar
Zane[9]: Zack, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon, MrSmarter
I have 5 votes, not 4. My influence is possibly even more powerful then my extra votes, so I'm not at all bothered that I am only at level 1.
Just thinking. I feel like town players should have had disguiser checks so that this wouldn't be so damn hard to find the arsonist. Who wants to put their disguiser checks so that we don't have to do so in the future?
My check is tied to my avatar.
Ambient[3]: Zack, Narks, NorthStar
Auckmid[7]: Zack, Narks, Philie
BlastYourBoots[2]: NorthStar, Auckmid
Dark.Revenant[1]: Ganondorf
Deathfire123[12]: Zack, Ganondorf, Narks, NorthStar, CptKirk, Philie, Procyon, MrSmarter
Dimwit[13]: Zack, Narks, Deathfire123, Ganondorf, NorthStar, Procyon, CptKirk, Philie, MrSmarter
Echonian[10]: Ganondorf, Deathfire123, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon, MrSmarter
Goonswarm[1]: NorthStar
Guardian[3]: Narks, Zack, CptKirk
HerrZynisch[8]: Philie, Procyon, CptKirk, MrSmarter
Kevinpowers[1]: Deathfire123
Kromos[1]: Ganondorf
Miles[1]: Gandondorf
MrSmarter[10]: Zack, Narks, NorthStar, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon
Muso[2]: Zack, Narks
Philie[1]: NorthStar
Procyon[2]: Zack, Narks
TheWaaagh[6]: Ganondorf, Philie
Vornskr[1]: NorthStar
Zane[10]: Zack, Philie, CptKirk, Procyon, MrSmarter, Auckmid
Added Auckmids votes.
I lol'd at the plans for the Mayor to reveal and then mass lynch everyone. Because that was the first idea that had crossed my mind upon reading the RP, but I knew Yayap wouldn't allow it. :p
This is going to take a bit of a memory check from those of you present around the time the gamethrowing occurred, but this is my deduction:
The Doctor:
1. Not present those few hours we made plans to heal Luna
2. Tried to WIFOM, thinking the Mafia would not shoot someone who was getting healed.
3. Tried to think "Oh, the other Doctor will heal Luna," which I certainly hope isn't the case because s/he would be making dangerous assumptions; bad Doctor if this occurred
Person who shot Luna:
1. Not present those few hours we made plans to heal Luna
2. Tried to out-WIFOM the doctor, or tried betting on the fact that the doctor was not present
Therefore, I don't believe the person who shot Luna was from the Mafia (other scum are possible). The fact that we made plans to protect our Mason Leader and scum still intending to shoot her anyway would mean that out of whomever is left of the Mafia, none of them were present during those 2~3 hours. It could happen, but I would think the chances are rather unlikely. Or when they made plans to shoot Luna, the Mafia who were present thought it funny to not mention to the rest of the Mafia that Luna might be healed.
Either way, I would imagine the person who shot Luna was not present the last few hours of the actual day before rollback occurred. Unless the person was outright stupid, or tried to out-WIFOM the doctor (which would also be dumb unless you knew exactly who the doctor is and what kind of gambit s/he would try), we ought to try to remember who was on those last key moments and strike them out from our list of suspects (or place them on low suspicion) of shooting Luna. Or place them on the "dumb gambling scum" list. :)
Holy shit why are there so many votes on me?
I'm actively trying to help town, whereas Ecohonian is doing shit all. <---He has also been proven to be lying about being a survivor.
Didn't Yayap admit to there being no killing neutrals other than Arsonist?
I'd like to think I've proven myself not to be that retard Fragos, and I survived a bullet last night. So I can only be a Godfather, a thief who stole a vest or a survivor. So then, WHY AM I BEING VOTED ON WHEN THERE'S A CHANCE IM A TOWN ALIGNED THIEF JUST TRYING TO AVOID MAFIA FROM TARGETING ME!?
Oh, and on the topic of the disguised arsonist. I would not think Yayap would be unfair as to let DR pick and choose whomever he wanted to take out and disguise as that person. I would think Yayap replaced him with a modkilled person. It makes no sense to punish a random person in the game by killing him from a last minute disguise in favor of the arsonist who was revealed during gamethrowing.
So my best bet is, whomever didn't talk a whole lot yesterday has the highest chances of being the hidden arsonist. (This would also require some memory recall from those lost 7-8 hours.)
Admiral, if a Town member shot Luna that would be a monumentally stupid thing to do (unless they had not yet seem the ML claim for Luna. I worry that BlastYoBoots shot her when it sounded like he was packing heat...Still...).
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Philie, I would advise you to remove your votes for now. We do not want the Mafia hammering innocent people early.
I am reborn, faggot Arsonist.
I've come back from the dead to drown you.
could it hurt to lynch you? just sayin...you're technically not on our side. You're on your own side and really as long as you survive it doesn't matter to you who wins. PLUS if you're one of those people who would really love to see a mafia win in FM...
He did sorta claim that didnt he? I forgot about thatQuote:
I worry that BlastYoBoots shot her when it sounded like he was packing heat...Still...).
Um. What is that dot there for, Mr. Narks? You even went through the trouble of coloring it a different color. What is the meaning of this?
Lol, this is not a jab at our dear Game Master, but considering last last FM, when I was dayshot as Lover willing to help town by a town member, my wariness of town has grown considerably and I'm not about to make the assumption that all town function the way we hope them to.
You can't seriously assume I'm anti-town at this point. You all wanted a Mason to die in order to confirm me as a Mason? Well, you got the Mason Leader and another Mason. I think I'm in the clear and you pointing out things like that make me believe you are not the Citizen you appear to be WIFOMing.
Since you idiots are about to lynch me, I might as well reveal everything I know.
I started the game as Survivor.
Night 1, I rerolled Citizen. GM let me keep my role as Survivor.
Night 2, the modkills went to reserve players.
Night 3, I was given Ash's role. The Blacksmith. Masons, back me up please.
I did not level up. Therefore, McPwnage was town.
People were modkilled yesterday - an unknown amount. This means that Deathfire rerolled last night. Which means he is no longer Survivor. Which means there is a GOOD CHANCE that he is scum, especially since he revealed that I had rerolled (thanks, faggot. Also, thanks Yayap for telling other players that I had rerolled).
You are about to lynch a CONFIRMED Blacksmith. Want me to prove it to you, Ganonfag? I'd rather not give you a vest, since you seem like scum to me.
So if you're town, unvote me. Now.
If I die tonight, make sure the doctor does a autopsy. In my last will I shall put down whether or not I was jailed.
Also:
-vote Deathfire123
Byyyyyyyyyeeeeee.
Admiral (Sumikoko as I call her) is NOT a citizen. I should know. She has that sort of tone when she has power. I am fairly confidant that she is town but I am not sure.
Guess who got his own name after being replaced. WHUT UP BITCH! IM FUCKING THE ACTUAL DEATHFIRE123! WUT WUT
I was Monster, if you notice, I use commas WAY TOO FUCKING MUCH. I was so pressured about keeping my identity hidden as Monster I would remove all the commas in my posts, so when I got brought back, I said FUCK IT, I CAN PRETEND TO BE ME!
HEY TOWN, PRO-TIP: KILL ALL NEUTRALS = BAD CALL.
This is why Survivors ALWAYS side with scum - because town ALWAYS tries to kill them instead of going after better targets.
Also -unvote Echonian
I firmly believe he is either town/survivor now.
If you are deathfire you will tell me this in 5 mins. When DR left the forum up in the air to the factions, which side were you on? And I posted a few pictures with a caption. What was that caption OR what did I do as well?
Do not say that you don't know who I am. You should know since I haven't been hiding it and people have already guessed it.
Whatever, let's reveal this now.
I was given a gun yesterday *day* by Echonian, who revealed himself to me as the Blacksmith.
I shot McPwnage who was scummy as hell. I almost shot someone else instead, but killing a confirmed neutral could potentially level you up.
The number in the death note is my name (the numbers relate to the letters in the death note 5-10-49-122-123 that spell out NARKS).
Apparently nothing can be kept secret around here.
Unvote Echonian.
No. If I give Phillie an item, a Dark Thief will steal it. I will not say who gets an item. I will give items to people who I've been told to give items to.
And I swear to god, if you get an item from me and reveal it, I will fucking find a way to have you killed.
Ponies, I got the highest score on the bronies side with almost 800 points scored.
Afterwards, when he won, and oops was a baby, I repeatedly called him a slapped child.
Here is an example:
S
SL
SLA
SLAP
SLAPP
SLAPPE
SLAPPED
SLAPPED C
SLAPPED CH
SLAPPED CHI
SLAPPED CHIL
SLAPPED CHILD
He then deleted my posts one after another, but I continued posting slapped child, eventually, he gave up
I dont know who you are
And McPwnage slipped up with leaving the "mafia" in his copied role card (unless he purposely trolled that), so it's his own fault. He could potentially have been the Dark Thief. If he wanted to survive, Nick should have told us he was Town.
I'm not assuming anything just yet. But a period placed directly under a post addressed to me in the color of invisible ink brings to mind some questions, doesn't it. Especially seeing as you're Mason. I'm not saying you're anti town. But if you're trying to send a message to me, I don't know what it is.
I know for a fact you were alluding to me as your recruit from the night before to the rest of town yesterday. I assumed you were trying to "buddy" with me, and as Citizen, I complied, seeing as my biggest allies are the Masons anyway. I thought I wouldn't have to waste your recruit by acting like I was Mason on the outside if you thought I was a Citizen who knew what to do, aka, WIFOM Mason.
This is a special circumstance. If this was not a multiple lynch game, I would not vote Deathfire. However, PROVEN FACT: NEUTRALS TEND TO HELP THE MAFIA MORE THEN THE TOWN. When a jester gets lynched, it helps mafia more then town. When executioner lynches a target, it helps mafia more then town. An amnesiac choosing mafia helps the mafia more then a amnesiac choosing town helps town. 1 extra vote for the town makes little difference, but 1 extra vote for mafia could have a large effect.
Basicaly, what I am saying is that I am trying to hit all the killers, but when you get unlimited lynches, hitting a survivour helps town more then it hurts it.
Admiral, what are you hiding?
I'll be flying all day tomorrow. I never PM'ed to be replaced. I like Philie's plan, but it won't happen. Yapyap is not very happy with us.
I don't really have much to say. I'm apparently boring. If we know who the damn GF is, we lynch him. It'th thimple.
I think I can get out of the Anti-Lurk rule with this post.
I have made subtle hints to my role in basically every one of my posts. That is all.
-vote Dimwit
-vote HerrZynisch
-vote Admiral
Because (PROVEN FACT) town ALWAYS tries to murder the fucking neutrals, and Mafia tend to encourage that because it takes attention away from them. Genius strategy in here.
But you're ignoring the fact that Survivors can REROLL into town PRs. Like I did. This bandwagon forced me to reveal.Quote:
When a jester gets lynched, it helps mafia more then town. When executioner lynches a target, it helps mafia more then town. An amnesiac choosing mafia helps the mafia more then a amnesiac choosing town helps town. 1 extra vote for the town makes little difference, but 1 extra vote for mafia could have a large effect.
No, hitting a Survivor DOESN'T HURT TOWN. That's all. It doesn't HELP town win because Survivors aren't Mafia.Quote:
Basicaly, what I am saying is that I am trying to hit all the killers, but when you get unlimited lynches, hitting a survivour helps town more then it hurts it.
And you're again ignoring the way Survivor mechanics work in this game. In fact, the ONLY reason I want to lynch Deathfire is because it's VERY UNLIKELY that he is still Survivor, and since the Arsonist rerolled, a Survivor seems like good cover (has vests, is neutral, etc).
g2g now. Unlikely I will be able to post later tonight, but I might be able to right before school.
Oh, and just so everyone knows, I never gave Blast Yo Boots a gun. That's why I was confused when he posted saying that he had one.
Mon Petit Chou, I truly have no ulterior motives for questioning Narks.
I am not even sure what you are trying to insinuate here. Do you suspect I'm an investigator who has found Narks to not be Mason? Or do you suspect I'm scum trying to put suspicion on the Masons that our town trusts so much?
And according to the last tally, there's been very little suspicion of Admiral as well. In fact, more suspicion of you (1 vote) than him (0).
But that's beside the point. I understand pressuring him to talk. But pressuring him to claim seems unnecessary at this point, especially if he's a town PR. Given how many town PR's are in the open now, I'd rather not see more getting revealed.
to prove that I'm still the survivor, if any other survivor would like to claim, and say they were brought in last night then that would prove I'm lying, but I'm not.
Also, provide the Role Card
Her*
This is why I have my FoS on Admiral. I ... studied *cough*... with her in FM8 and so I learned a lot of her writing style while she had a power role and my experience with her in M-FMs really helps my read on her. She is not a citizen. I can tell you that. I just don't know if she's scum or not.
And I'm ignoring that suspicion because NorthStar gave no reason when he voted. He may have reasons why he thinks me scum, but I do not have my notes with me (out of town trip) so I choose to let it go.
You must at least understand our point-of-view.
We are given a day today to lynch as many people as we like. We know you are not Town. Lynching you is no longer a moot point because it does not waste a lynch. Being a Survivor today, of all todays, is the worst thing for you possible because we lynch you without remorse.
Because you can potentially be a vote against us (and we're not stupid. If mafia gain the majority, you WILL side with them), so lynching you now not only removes that possibility, but removes the question mark of your role completely. If you turn up Survivor? Great for us. One neutral role down that we don't have to worry about. If you turn up Dark Thief (possibility) or Arsonist (also a possiblity), even better.
Basically, Yayap kinda screwed you over with the event today.
I think today will be a good day. Once people hit the 8-10 vote mark, they should be deathly worried because Philie can hammer them with one vote. Time to pressure 'em!
@Deathfire
Town would NEVER lynch a survivor, because we have limited lynches.
claiming neutral during an unlimited lynch day was ... stupid.
-vote Deathfire (Again)
-vote Guardian
pfffft
A true - blooded lurker......
Yayap, can you replace this dude with a more active person or day lightning him or something?
It doesn't help that Yayap isn't posted how many people were modkilled. That would easily solve this.
I mean, there is another solution OTHER than lynching you. Namely, we could just have you jailed indefinitely.
But would you rather spend the rest of the game in jail, or simply die today?
The way I see it, those are the only two 100% safe actions for town.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Also, save me reading the thread again: who's the GF that Luna died trying to recruit? Or have I misunderstood that situation?