S-FM 339: ?KRC, M-FM edition

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

I don't feel strongly about Eyes, I would rather we lynch Purple or Myopia today. Eyes is clearly mistaken about his deep idea on Chad's post "town and town" (paraphrasing). Typos and brainfarts happen, and even though Eyes could be right some of the time, it is not a strong lead against Chad. Does Eyes deserve to die for making a bad play? Not really. Is there anything else scummy about Eyes that I have not picked up on?

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I didn't like Eyes's #454 read which feels nonsensical and forced. Their follow-up with Sun also rubbed me the wrong way, felt like they were trying to convince themselves of reasons to scumread my slot.
I actually forgot about the Chad Knight thing until you brought it up, which is just a bad read and not necessarily a wolfy one.

I think I'm fine with staying on Eyes, I don't really think Myopia's as wolfy and we do appear to have poison KP now to deal with other potential targets (maybe CBI).

What's the case on Purple? I don't remember much from that slot except feeling colorblind looking at the disparity between their name and profile picture.

I guess we could also chop a lowposter but I don't think there's any reason to do so with the lynch rather than leaving it to KP.

augh was busy all day

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Originally Posted by FM-Myopia

Nonomo
Hes town i know it
My feedback.litterally says that

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errr why is this a top wagon

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

So I want to point out again that Eyes revealed their card in their first post. I know this may be WIFOM, but do ya'll really believe a solo 3P would reveal it like that at start of D1? Can they be part of a multi-player evil faction? Maybe, but it seems like a weird role to have that basically benefits from their own teammates voting them up (to ensure more than 1 alignment amongst voters on Eyes). I guess it can happen, makes for a convenient Bus from a teammate and gives them the ability to kill during the day. But then we would likely know (or at least suspect) Eyes to be the day-time shooter, he can only shoot players that were on his wagon, and we can question his choices of shot (in case it was to avoid a teammate who voted them). If he is town, then it may prove helpful for us to learn how many factions voted him up, he is in a way an investigator of the people voting him.

Or he lied about the role and it's all BS, I guess. I don't want to think this to be the case.

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Sir would you kindly remove my name from your mouth and replace it with the correct culprit?

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

I don’t think this is a controversial opinion.

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Hm, perhaps we are not reading the same game parts. There is so much going on lol.

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

You are not alone!

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<3
You are the best toaster I have ever met

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Originally Posted by FM-Bizarro Pepsi

-vote FM-Is that a leaf

Can't believe the voting shortcut was under my eyes this whole time.

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yes, hello my good sir. Care to explain why you put that vote on me without having EVER addressed me before, and why it remains just before EoD? That would be nice. Not that I feel threatened, but rather that it indicates you have nothing better to do than to vote a random guy (me) without reasons, and that is not exactly good.

I'm not even sure who the culprit is and I thought I kept track of all that stuff,

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Originally Posted by FM-Is that a leaf

Hm, perhaps we are not reading the same game parts. There is so much going on lol.

<3
You are the best toaster I have ever met


yes, hello my good sir. Care to explain why you put that vote on me without having EVER addressed me before, and why it remains just before EoD? That would be nice. Not that I feel threatened, but rather that it indicates you have nothing better to do than to vote a random guy (me) without reasons, and that is not exactly good.

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Your iso gave me the creeps and no I don't remember off the top of my head rn, and if you want to open up your iso and tell you why I can and also lol backreading 38 mins before EoD.

Oh wait, why do you say Father and Sun is solvy?

Recent events have convinced me that Eyes and Myopia are worth keeping alive. At least for now.

-vote FM-Purple

Can someone tell me why Eyes and Purple are being voted up like this? I can somewhat see that Purple has been aggressive (vague memories of posts...) and threatened to poison people, but that's about it. As for Eyes, I wasn't impressed by anything they said one way or another.


Also, for the record, current VC:

FM-Is that a leaf (1 [L-98]):
FM-Bizarro Pepsi

FM-Eyes (4 [L-95]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun, FM-Forsaken Bones

FM-Mr Bones (1 [L-98]):
FM-Purple

FM-Purple (4 [L-95]):
FM-Tesseract, FM-Myopia, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones

FM-Mr Pain (1 [L-98]):
FM-Blue Beard

FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent

FM-Chad Knight (2 [L-97]):
FM-Eyes, FM-Arcade

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Originally Posted by FM-Forsaken Bones

On a read through Myopia's ISO, aside from the weird Triad thing (which I don't necessarily think is AI), and the wolfy outburst, their posts seem mostly reasonable.
Actually not sure we should chop this? I'd like second opinions.

Going to work through Eyes' ISO now.

-vote FM-Eyes

If I change my mind I'll unvote but my vote stays here for now.

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Explain why "reasonable" is a criteria for town, would you? Basically you are saying that "besides their wolfy moments. They make sense" when wolves are perfectly capable of making sense

Again, people @FM-Forsaken Bones and @FM-Tesseract

Seem to be under the assumption that I am... SOMETHING? who I believe was the one to make the claim about their role. I have not made and will not make any sort of claim about my role.

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Originally Posted by FM-Bizarro Pepsi

Your iso gave me the creeps and no I don't remember off the top of my head rn, and if you want to open up your iso and tell you why I can and also lol backreading 38 mins before EoD.

Oh wait, why do you say Father and Sun is solvy?

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From the top of my head, I considered him that way because he asked questions and pressured people, iirc? But it was a weak read that kinda decayed to the point I don't know anymore about him (tbh I barely remember). I believe I said that in my latest list of reads, too.

Also I wanted to see what people replied to my posts mostly, and see what people were on about since I don't get the wagons lol.

Even after going through my ISO, why does Forsaken not correct himself and Tesseract publicly about me not being the one who claimed early d1 with that role?

Anyways I guess this is EoD? Not sure, but I'm currently at work.

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Originally Posted by FM-Is that a leaf

Can someone tell me why Eyes and Purple are being voted up like this?

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I agreed that if the Eyes were telling the truth, losing them would be a bad decision. As for Myopia, I initially didn't like this train. That leaves Purple with his strange threats.

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

Recent events have convinced me that Eyes and Myopia are worth keeping alive. At least for now.

-vote FM-Purple

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>Myopia
>Worth keeping alive

Hmm? Also, why Purple?

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Originally Posted by FM-Mr Bones

what the hell is a micro read

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I will take a specific post I see and decide on someone based on that, neglecting all other evidence in most cases.

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

I agreed that if the Eyes were telling the truth, losing them would be a bad decision. As for Myopia, I initially didn't like this train. That leaves Purple with his strange threats.

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Add Demon to the number of people who still think I am the person who claimed.

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Originally Posted by FM-Eyes

Again, people @FM-Forsaken Bones and @FM-Tesseract

Seem to be under the assumption that I am... SOMETHING? who I believe was the one to make the claim about their role. I have not made and will not make any sort of claim about my role.

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My read on you has nothing to do with the roleclaim. Someone was defending you based on a roleclaim though, don't remember who.

I am Eyes, right? It would be bizarre if I'm not.

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Originally Posted by FM-Forsaken Bones

My read on you has nothing to do with the roleclaim. Someone was defending you based on a roleclaim though, don't remember who.

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You commented on it, as did Tess and now Demon.

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Originally Posted by FM-Is that a leaf

>Myopia
>Worth keeping alive

Hmm? Also, why Purple?

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Just explained post above.

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Originally Posted by FM-Eyes

Even after going through my ISO, why does Forsaken not correct himself and Tesseract publicly about me not being the one who claimed early d1 with that role?

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Holy smokes, I am mind-blown. I missed that it was a quote of a post from SOMETHING. Are you hereby convincing me to go ahead and vote you then? Because it is working. I didn't realize that SOMETHING made that claim with a long post and what I thought was your first post was actually you quoting SOMETHING. This is not something I wanted to realize 30 minutes before EOD1.

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Originally Posted by FM-Eyes

Add Demon to the number of people who still think I am the person who claimed.

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Are you not?

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Originally Posted by FM-Eyes

You commented on it, as did Tess and now Demon.

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I commented on someone defending you because you "claimed a role" or yadda yadda.
My reply was simple, I'm not going to use anyone's roleclaims when deciding whether or not I think they should be chopped.

Though you're right I should have called the defense out when I read your ISO (I was at the time operating under the assumption you claimed something somewhere, as I skimmed a lot and assumed Tesseract knew what they were talking about), it doesn't really change anything about my read on you.

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Originally Posted by FM-Tesseract

Assuming we stay in this 3-way 4-vote stalemate, whom do you plan on voting? How do you know which of the 3 are being voted by town vs alt-wagon(s) set up by scum? Without saying too much, I recommend for you to think of some things you could do within the next hour to generate more information.

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assuming the stalemate has stuck, im voting myopia or eyes. voting purple is a lose lose for me since voting him results in a roleblock due to him definitely not having a painting.

Heres current vc

FM-Is that a leaf (1 [L-98]):
FM-Bizarro Pepsi

FM-Eyes (4 [L-95]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun, FM-Forsaken Bones

FM-Mr Bones (1 [L-98]):
FM-Purple

FM-Purple (5 [L-94]):
FM-Tesseract, FM-Myopia, FM-Demonic TP, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones

FM-Mr Pain (1 [L-98]):
FM-Blue Beard

FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent

FM-Chad Knight (1 [L-98]):
FM-Eyes (removing arcade from this vote)

now lets cut out the 1-voters

FM-Eyes (4 [L-95]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun, FM-Forsaken Bones

FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent

FM-Purple (5 [L-94]):
FM-Tesseract, FM-Myopia, FM-Demonic TP, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones

Off of my own instincts, im more inclined to trust Tesseract b/c hes a solver, just look at him!

But as I said before, I can't vote Purple due to him not having a painting 100% (I brought it from him)

Earless and Father-And-Sun also have paintings but they are not in the contention for voting right now

The train on eyes seems to be headed mainly by my null-reads, while the train on Myopia is led by Chad who was a contentious figure and three null-reads.

I would say Eyes is slightly more towny in my eyes, pun not intended.

But if Purple is gonna get the most votes, leaving Myopia and Eyes in the dust, I will vote for the artpiece holders.

Will leave my vote on Earless for now due to a combination of him not offering the painting at all, and him being more of a null read.

-vote FM-Earless Artiste

-vote FM-Father and Sun

Still think this slot is flailing for reasons and being agreeable in a way that indicates that they either want to be liked and/or have no real position.

Damn it, Tesseract did a great job of confusing a few people.
But now I have more reason to think that the Eyes is town. What is the point of a scum not supporting this delusion?

I also don't think the claim from SOMETHING is particularly AI, especially in this setup.
It's possible that the claim is real, and also possible SOMETHING is scum with a role that would benefit/match faking a claim like that. There's no point trying to quantify it.

If anyone wants to convince me that voting Eyes or Myopia is better, since I have only been half paying attention to the discussions revolving around them, then feel free. but if Purple, who I know for sure is sus AND doesn't have a painting, will be lynched at current rate anyways, then I guess I don't have to vote like a tiebreaker.

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Originally Posted by FM-Chad Knight

Hold on. Elaborate further about the houses technically being made out of paper.

This actually changes my read on you. I hadn’t accounted for Hanlon’s Razor.

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I absolutely LOVE this post, love the reference to Hanlon's Razor (Always assume mistake instead of ill will, basically) and love the reasoning that comes with it, the sudden reevaluation. This screams town actively seeking truth instead of looking for mislynches.

Past that, I just read Eyes' ISO (which is where I got Chad's post from, in a reply), and I see really no reason to lynch them. If anything, it looks like a textbook example of unimpressive, not so efficient, but honest town play.

Both Chad and Eyes get a sweet sweet high place in my town list here, and I encourage you to unvote them

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Originally Posted by FM-Forsaken Bones

I also don't think the claim from SOMETHING is particularly AI, especially in this setup.

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You are right, it's not AI. But claimed ability can be very useful for town. Even if SOMETHING is neutral.

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

Damn it, Tesseract did a great job of confusing a few people.
But now I have more reason to think that the Eyes is town. What is the point of a scum not supporting this delusion?

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My mistake. I even re-ISO'd Eyes several times just to be sure and somehow that big wall of text looked like an opening post to me. Problem is I didn't ever ISO SOMETHING as it's too many posts for my liking and I felt OK about their early active gameplay, so focused my ISO efforts on others. I didn't see that post by SOMETHING until now. Apparently I am not the only one here without Eyes.

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Originally Posted by FM-Demonic TP

Damn it, Tesseract did a great job of confusing a few people.
But now I have more reason to think that the Eyes is town. What is the point of a scum not supporting this delusion?

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If W!Eyes has a role that does not match the abilities of this one, or thinks that they're being voted because of the delusion (as it appears they did based on the post they tagged me in), then it makes sense to call out Tesseract's mistake. It also would look very bad to go along with it and pretend you're the one who claimed the role when you're eventually found out.

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Originally Posted by FM-Eyes

Sir would you kindly remove my name from your mouth and replace it with the correct culprit?

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Lol. @FM-Tesseract , you are mistaking Eyes for Something. Eyes never revealed their rolecard, Something did. Check the VERY FIRST POST of the thread. Something claims schizoid king. Speaking of which, where the heck is Something and why is he letting this confuse people?? Slight suspicion against him.

Can someone give me cliffs or an explanation or postnums or something regarding Purple and why we're eliminating the slot?

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Originally Posted by FM-Is that a leaf

Something claims schizoid king. Speaking of which, where the heck is Something and why is he letting this confuse people?? Slight suspicion against him.

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Yea, that's quite something. He was most active at the start of day 1, which is around this hour, 2 days ago. The fact that he dropped off without warning for EoD should say something.

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Originally Posted by FM-Bizarro Pepsi

-vote FM-Father and Sun

Still think this slot is flailing for reasons and being agreeable in a way that indicates that they either want to be liked and/or have no real position.

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I can respect that - might make sense. The more I think about my initial read, the more it feels like that half-intuitive read you shouldn't trust because what you're reading the player on is all smoke and mirrors.

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Originally Posted by FM-Comrade PickleRadish

If anyone wants to convince me that voting Eyes or Myopia is better, since I have only been half paying attention to the discussions revolving around them, then feel free. but if Purple, who I know for sure is sus AND doesn't have a painting, will be lynched at current rate anyways, then I guess I don't have to vote like a tiebreaker.

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.... A painting? I believe I have read something about art thieves or whatever, and there is a painting on the market. But uh, why do we care? And why is Purple sus?

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Originally Posted by FM-Forsaken Bones

Can someone give me cliffs or an explanation or postnums or something regarding Purple and why we're eliminating the slot?

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Apparently because he threatened to poison people? I think so. Honestly, I don't see a real reason to oppose his lynch, but I also don't see how the case is compelling in the slightest: roles are NAI...

My attorneys have informed me of a... small... flaw in our documentation. It appears that we had the wrong suspect's name in the evidence docket. We hereby submit a correction to the Judge to amend the record.

-vote FM-Eyes

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Originally Posted by FM-Is that a leaf

.... A painting? I believe I have read something about art thieves or whatever, and there is a painting on the market. But uh, why do we care? And why is Purple sus?

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You don't have to care too much about the pursuit of paintings unless you have the 1910 Scream. If I vote someone who doesn't have a painting I am roleblocked, and considering people are going to vote out Purple, I will play it "safe" (for my role's requirement) by voting a person who said they had a painting.

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Originally Posted by FM-Comrade PickleRadish

Yea, that's quite something. He was most active at the start of day 1, which is around this hour, 2 days ago. The fact that he dropped off without warning for EoD should say something.

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Or it indicates they have IRL reasons, let's not.

I'm back temporarily

out of these wagons

FM-Eyes (4 [L-95]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun, FM-Forsaken Bones
FM-Purple (5 [L-94]):
FM-Tesseract, FM-Myopia, FM-Demonic TP, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones
FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent

I trust the Myopia / Eyes wagons, leaning more-so Myopia.

I don't really trust the Purple wagon because I don't really have a read on Purple yet nor do I have on any of the people voting them yet.

-vote Myopia

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Originally Posted by FM-Comrade PickleRadish

Yea, that's quite something. He was most active at the start of day 1, which is around this hour, 2 days ago. The fact that he dropped off without warning for EoD should say something.

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This is highly speculative, but I don't think he posted even once after I stated that I need my post count and I asked SOMETHING (who was killing me on posts for a while) to tone it down. He has vanished since then. He may just be busy and enjoying the beach somewhere. But there could be a universe in which some scumdog used an instant day-blackmail and maybe tried to frame me (poorly) in the process. Who knows. Doesn't really make sense, since they should have blackmailed me instead. So IDK.

Now that I think about it, Eyes' train is really fishy. SOMETHING on it and went poof; Father and Sun is on it and tbh, I don't want to trust him for half-logical reasons; Forsaken Bones is a question mark to me, he seems very logical but I don't remember anything from him specifically. Kitty is the only one I trust in there.

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Originally Posted by FM-Mr Pain

I'm back temporarily

out of these wagons

FM-Eyes (4 [L-95]):
FM-Kitty Cat Dance, FM-Its SOMETHING, FM-Father and Sun, FM-Forsaken Bones
FM-Purple (5 [L-94]):
FM-Tesseract, FM-Myopia, FM-Demonic TP, FM-Mafia Bro, FM-Mr Bones
FM-Myopia (4 [L-95]):
FM-Chad Knight, FM-Is that a leaf, FM-Dark Unicorn, FM-CBI Agent

I trust the Myopia / Eyes wagons, leaning more-so Myopia.

I don't really trust the Purple wagon because I don't really have a read on Purple yet nor do I have on any of the people voting them yet.

-vote Myopia

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so now eyes and myopia each have 5 votes, while purple has 4.

im gonna take a risk here for my role and vote myopia. i will be roleblocked, but for the sake of the town.

-vote FM-Myopia

-vote FM-Myopia

I'm an idiot for forgetting it has to include the FM part

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Originally Posted by FM-Bizarro Pepsi

Or it indicates they have IRL reasons, let's not.

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Yeah, I tend to go with that. A nice beach with a breeze, some candles, red wine, tulips, fluffy unicorns. I hope that's what SOMETHING is busy with right now. We will find out more from SOMETHING tomorrow, I suppose.