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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Ok, some quick thoughts about the game.
We have infinite time, and the last "Trust Falls" will always be the hardest to hit correctly.
From my point of view, I'll never trust anyone until we're 1 Trust Fall away from winning AND I'm 100% sure of whom to Trust Fall with. That way I can ensure that we have the best chance of winning this game.
However, until then, I think it's best if we all come to an agreement. An agreement that all Trust Falls in this game will be by a conensus between everybody in this game, or almost everybody.
Throughout the way, keep in mind that the Mafia have a permanent chat - and they will no doubt will try to divide us at some point or something like that. It's just as crucial for us to try and catch them coordinating something as it is for them to try and coordinate something - especially in a scenario where we landed 2 successful trust falls and are 1 away from victory.
@
Mike
I TRUST bekarmir
Would you accept that?
If we all "never trust anyone until we're 1 trust away from winning", then the game is never going to end lol. Simply waiting until we're 100 % sure of who to trust fall with is a better course of action.
Everyone coming to an agreement before doing anything will never work: not everyone has the same interests here. There will necessarily be scum disruption. Plus, you cannot expect everyone to think the same, and you cannot expect everyone to be right even if they think the same, either. Listening to others' opinions and especially doubts about others is a very healthy behavior in this game, but trying to form an unbreakable mass decision block where nobody can ever agree or disagree will create artificial reads. If we actually follow that course of action because we think it's optimal, those who play by the rules of that game will simply follow the consensus and be shielded by it, while those who do not want to will be artificially scumread. And if we follow that course of action but don't think it's optimal, well... it's pointless.
DON'T THOU SPEAKETH THE FORBIDDEN WORDS IMMEDIATLY, FOOL!
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Happymeal
allah hu ackbar
-vote I trust OzyWho
I assume that's not accepted and that it was never made to be, since it doesn't follow the format given in the setup. Still, what makes you say that (I'm here assuming you're not trolling)? Ozy's mechanical discussion is nice, but he could very well do that as scum, especially considering he made the setup. You're a special guy, so I'm not instantly labeling you as scum because you made a special play, but this doesn't look particularly good.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Tbh, you're basically a piece of furniture in the house of SC2 Mafia. This infinite setup fits you well.
The only missing are Aamirus and Stealthbomber16 imo.
How dare you call SJ a simple piece of furniture. My gut tells me he's good this game, but obviously, that's not even close to being strong enough for a trust fall.
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
I'm alone now...
I guess SJ reads setup, and baker was only "online" by that weird phone thingy.
Worth a note - it's been nearly an hour since the game is open. I've seen luona and Renegade online in the main page at some point or another, but they never bothered to visit this page. Maybe scum chat. Maybe setup reading. Probably nothing. But I thought it worth pointing out.
Maybe scumpainting. Maybe genuine observation. Probably nothing. But I think it means absolutely nothing.
=) :calix: (=
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
Interesting stories about your names, Renegade and Ozy. I thought Renegade was quite straightforward, but I had always wondered about the Who and the Ozy and the Ozywho ^^
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Originally Posted by
luona
ah hihi, ive played forum mafia a few years ago but im very bad and forgot how to play pretty much, i hope i do well enough..
the setup i kinda understand, like we're town hunting instead of scumhunting right?
Lol don't worry, we're not that good either... And yes, you're right about the setup's mechanics. Do you have any reads as of now? "Every bit helps", as they say; right now, we're just trying to find something to jump on so that meaningful discussion can begin. Usually, that'd be RVS (Random Voting Stage), but since this isn't a normal mafia game, we're just going to point fingers and give our hearts before we can start giving our trust, I guess.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
If we all "never trust anyone until we're 1 trust away from winning", then the game is never going to end lol. Simply waiting until we're 100 % sure of who to trust fall with is a better course of action.
I think you missing the point.
For example, let's assume you're the best player in the lobby and that you're town. Well, in that case - it is in your and your teams best interest to stay in the game until the final day/-s, guiding everyone else along the way and making the final, toughest, decision yourself and be the last man to leave the ship.
Hence why, for example, I said I prefer SJ to be in the F4/F6.
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Everyone coming to an agreement before doing anything will never work: not everyone has the same interests here. There will necessarily be scum disruption. Plus, you cannot expect everyone to think the same, and you cannot expect everyone to be right even if they think the same, either.
Doesn't mean that we can't try though. Having different mindsets and opinions doesn't mean we shouldn't use the infinite time to come as close to a consensus as possible before making decisions.
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Listening to others' opinions and especially doubts about others is a very healthy behavior in this game, but trying to form an unbreakable mass decision block where nobody can ever agree or disagree will create artificial reads.
Depends on where you draw the line in the sand I guess?
I just want nobody to making foolish hero syndrome decisions that nobody else agrees with. Would kinda make the game useless, ngl.
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
If we actually follow that course of action because we think it's optimal, those who play by the rules of that game will simply follow the consensus and be shielded by it, while those who do not want to will be artificially scumread. And if we follow that course of action but don't think it's optimal, well... it's pointless.
Good point tbh!
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
DON'T THOU SPEAKETH THE FORBIDDEN WORDS IMMEDIATLY, FOOL!
Look at the content it created though!
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I assume that's not accepted and that it was never made to be, since it doesn't follow the format given in the setup. Still, what makes you say that (I'm here assuming you're not trolling)? Ozy's mechanical discussion is nice, but he could very well do that as scum, especially considering he made the setup. You're a special guy, so I'm not instantly labeling you as scum because you made a special play, but this doesn't look particularly good.
I'd do same/similar mechanical discussion as either alignment, that is true. You should know that by default tbh. :P
I'm just sad that you're the only one even willing to chip in on proper setup play discussion. Ofc I expect that from you, but I hoped more than just you tbh.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Red XIII
Hello there everyone, let's have a fun game.
I've read the setup and it seems pretty straightforward. I will say that Mr Ozy is already on the list of people I don't trust, as he has already single handedly seized control of the game, making declarations such as "the first person who trusts another is labeled mafia forever", and "nobody is allowed to state they trust someone without group consensus". Considering that mafia is informed and town is not, this is very extremely scummy as mafia can just push that consensus where they want to.
Anyhoo, looking forward to playing with you all :) see you tomorrow
Welcome!
I agree on the principle - you're actually mirroring my thoughts about Ozy's proposed course of action -, but you're confusing wrong and scum. His interventions are NAI.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
luona
AHHH nono ;( dont feel bad
lets both pinky promise we'll be the worst 8) so that nobody feels bad
yeah ;( ;( he wants to make you untrusted so that nobody will ever ever trust fall with you :S cause he needs to fall with a townie to win!!
Actually I had a small epiphany. I think there's a Town Range where this was genuine... my mind just somehow dismissed it as impossible earlier tbh, didn't even think of that option somehow. xD
GOD I NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT YOU IN A RANGE! :push:
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Originally Posted by
bakermir
It is all real though, you used the c word and tried to trick me into trusting you. With all the posts we have so far you are my first scumread.
Do I understand you correct? You think I, as scum, would trust a random townie first thing in the game in the hopes that they would blindly trust me back immediatly?
baker, this is so outside of your Town Range that i'd expect from you...
I'm not opposed to the idea that my expectations of your Town Range could be wrong, as my main point what made you a strong town in the games we played were that you were the most "pure townie" tonally speaking.
I'd have to ISO your past games to see if this thinking process really is outside your Town Range or not...
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Welcome!
I agree on the principle - you're actually mirroring my thoughts about Ozy's proposed course of action -, but you're confusing wrong and scum. His interventions are NAI.
Me saying what I think is the proper way to play the setup, or pointing out stuff = "taking control".
Discuss anything? Agree / Disagree with stuff? Prove wrong if disagree? Fuck that. The guy talking about the game can obviously have only 1 intention and 1 intention alone - to "take control" (how even?).
You know how in champs qualifiers town does massively underperform due to "culture clash" and "not understanding each other" - I think this game will have a portion of that same effect. :D
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
I think you missing the point.
For example, let's assume you're the best player in the lobby and that you're town. Well, in that case - it is in your and your teams best interest to stay in the game until the final day/-s, guiding everyone else along the way and making the final, toughest, decision yourself and be the last man to leave the ship.
Hence why, for example, I said I prefer SJ to be in the F4/F6.
Sure, I guess. I don't think it matters much; if others are actually that bad, they're just not going to listen to you :D. However, the fact you're expressing the desire to be among the last ones standing is showing a town PoV. Scum wouldn't care about that, and it takes a special level of immersion in one's fake town role for one to think about this kind of thing.
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Doesn't mean that we can't try though. Having different mindsets and opinions doesn't mean we shouldn't use the infinite time to come as close to a consensus as possible before making decisions.
We should use the time we have and make sure everyone has discussed so that we gain as much info as possible, yes. That doesn't mean we have to chain ourselves by a strict consensus policy, though.
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Depends on where you draw the line in the sand I guess?
I just want nobody to making foolish hero syndrome decisions that nobody else agrees with. Would kinda make the game useless, ngl.
Agreed. As I said, it's healthy to listen to others here. None of the extremes are good, "the truth lies in the middle".
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Look at the content it created though!
Ehh, true, true. I don't particularly like Baker's tone, but it tells nothing more for now. Perhaps later.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Me saying what I think is the proper way to play the setup, or pointing out stuff = "taking control".
Discuss anything? Agree / Disagree with stuff? Prove wrong if disagree? Fuck that. The guy talking about the game can obviously have only 1 intention and 1 intention alone - to "take control" (how even?).
You know how in champs qualifiers town does massively underperform due to "culture clash" and "not understanding each other" - I think this game will have a portion of that same effect. :D
Scum controlling day chat absolutely is a thing. However, that's a general tendency observed over the course of several game days, not of some hours, especially not the first ones lol. I don't think he's ungenuine when he says that, though. Simply misguided.
And you're right about culture clash ^^ let's try not to fall victims to this
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Scum controlling day chat absolutely is a thing. However, that's a general tendency observed over the course of several game days, not of some hours, especially not the first ones lol. I don't think he's ungenuine when he says that, though. Simply misguided.
And you're right about culture clash ^^ let's try not to fall victims to this
Ohh it definetly feilt genuine.
I don't expect a Scum to put out their neck like that first thing in the game, especially on a foreign site.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Red XIII
Hello there everyone, let's have a fun game.
I've read the setup and it seems pretty straightforward. I will say that Mr Ozy is already on the list of people I don't trust, as he has already single handedly seized control of the game, making declarations such as "the first person who trusts another is labeled mafia forever", and "nobody is allowed to state they trust someone without group consensus". Considering that mafia is informed and town is not, this is very extremely scummy as mafia can just push that consensus where they want to.
Anyhoo, looking forward to playing with you all :) see you tomorrow
i think this is townie thoughts :wondering:
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Lol don't worry, we're not that good either... And yes, you're right about the setup's mechanics. Do you have any reads as of now? "Every bit helps", as they say; right now, we're just trying to find something to jump on so that meaningful discussion can begin. Usually, that'd be RVS (Random Voting Stage), but since this isn't a normal mafia game, we're just going to point fingers and give our hearts before we can start giving our trust, I guess.
My thoughts are:
happy meal evil :evil:
lily and red gud :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
GOD I NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT YOU IN A RANGE! :push:.
im sorry am i confusing ;(
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Welcome!
I agree on the principle - you're actually mirroring my thoughts about Ozy's proposed course of action -, but you're confusing wrong and scum. His interventions are NAI.
I'm not confusing anything. Your opinion is that his actions don't indicate his alignment. My opinion is that he has already hijacked the game.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Me saying what I think is the proper way to play the setup, or pointing out stuff = "taking control".
Discuss anything? Agree / Disagree with stuff? Prove wrong if disagree? Fuck that. The guy talking about the game can obviously have only 1 intention and 1 intention alone - to "take control" (how even?).
You know how in champs qualifiers town does massively underperform due to "culture clash" and "not understanding each other" - I think this game will have a portion of that same effect. :D
Any particular reason why you didn't respond to my accusation directly and rather went with this approach instead? Feels a bit condescending tbh, don't know if that was your intent though.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
I think the main area for us to exploit is that mafia can't trust fall with mafia. Thoughts?
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Renegade
I think the main area for us to exploit is that mafia can't trust fall with mafia. Thoughts?
how do we exploit it?
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Red XIII
I'm not confusing anything. Your opinion is that his actions don't indicate his alignment. My opinion is that he has already hijacked the game.
Tbh, MM knows me since before my first ever FM game, just like Oberon, - I'd be surprised if he didn't find my mechanics discussion NAI.
Your opinion is fun tbh. Because - is it a Scum reaction upon feeling cornered, or is it a type of Town paranoia?
It was unique to you alone.
I'd think that Scum wouldn't want to stick out their necks so early and in a foreign place. But I don't know you, so it'd be a presumption.
@luona
you know Red? As scum, is he usually a careful type?
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Originally Posted by
Red XIII
Any particular reason why you didn't respond to my accusation directly and rather went with this approach instead? Feels a bit condescending tbh, don't know if that was your intent though.
Tbh, it would had ended up even more condescending if I directed my response towards you personally instead of towards the play itself.
Regardless, you have my response in the post that you quoted.
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Originally Posted by
Renegade
I think the main area for us to exploit is that mafia can't trust fall with mafia. Thoughts?
I had a fantasy of catching 2 scums, who happen to be top townreading each other, by calling them out on not trust falling together after making cases on why they're Scum individually. :laugh:
The truth is though that any scum, who has read the setup and has half a brain cell, would never have their partner as a top townread just for that niche possibility of being called out.
But tbh, that method of "calling out" is dangerous as it could lead to a scummy slot getting trust fallen.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
luona you know Red? As scum, is he usually a careful type?
I don't know red, I just find his actions townie like.
The only person I know here is lily, and i trust shes town rn. As town shes usually more on the ~inactive side of town, as scum she approaches the game in a much more.. town leader way.
does this make sense?
i wanna trust fall with her so bad, but its too early and she hasnt even said a word yet! we need to carry yall before we go out with a bang 8)
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
luona
I don't know red, I just find his actions townie like.
The only person I know here is lily, and i trust shes town rn. As town shes usually more on the ~inactive side of town, as scum she approaches the game in a much more.. town leader way.
does this make sense?
i wanna trust fall with her so bad, but its too early and she hasnt even said a word yet! we need to carry yall before we go out with a bang 8)
Who's Lilly?
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
Ohh, btw. When I said "felt cornered" - I meant as "feeling like the progression is aiming away from their win condition", idk how to explain it..
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
luona
I don't know red, I just find his actions townie like.
The only person I know here is lily, and i trust shes town rn. As town shes usually more on the ~inactive side of town, as scum she approaches the game in a much more.. town leader way.
does this make sense?
i wanna trust fall with her so bad, but its too early and she hasnt even said a word yet! we need to carry yall before we go out with a bang 8)
Wait a second!
How can you think she's town when she hasn't even said a word yet?
Out of game communication is against FM rules..
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Actually I had a small epiphany. I think there's a Town Range where this was genuine... my mind just somehow dismissed it as impossible earlier tbh, didn't even think of that option somehow. xD
GOD I NEED TO BE ABLE TO PUT YOU IN A RANGE! :push:
Do I understand you correct? You think I, as scum, would trust a random townie first thing in the game in the hopes that they would blindly trust me back immediatly?
baker, this is so outside of your Town Range that i'd expect from you...
I'm not opposed to the idea that my expectations of your Town Range could be wrong, as my main point what made you a strong town in the games we played were that you were the most "pure townie" tonally speaking.
I'd have to ISO your past games to see if this thinking process really is outside your Town Range or not...
I do happen to be town on almost all of my games in sc2maf. The main fallacy here is that you believe I am wifoming here while I believe in a game with no PR and two lone wolves only informed about each other - I have no reason to hold on to my reads.
I don't claim this to be the pro strat, I am just trying to play T_T
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
Efekannn02 Here I Will Nuke Antarctica
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
bakermir
I do happen to be town on almost all of my games in sc2maf. The main fallacy here is that you believe I am wifoming here while I believe in a game with no PR and two lone wolves only informed about each other - I have no reason to hold on to my reads.
I don't claim this to be the pro strat, I am just trying to play T_T
Same here ^.^
Tell if you ever feel like getting discouraged to play by me. That's the last thing I want.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Wait a second!
How can you think she's town when she hasn't even said a word yet?
Out of game communication is against FM rules..
I've played tos and stuff like that with her before, i feel like she would be trying to take control of chat and lead us if she was mafia? from what i can tell as town she usually just stays quiet until later on.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
luona
how do we exploit it?
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
I had a fantasy of catching 2 scums, who happen to be top townreading each other, by calling them out on not trust falling together after making cases on why they're Scum individually. :laugh:
The truth is though that any scum, who has read the setup and has half a brain cell, would never have their partner as a top townread just for that niche possibility of being called out.
But tbh, that method of "calling out" is dangerous as it could lead to a scummy slot getting trust fallen.
I was thinking along the lines Ozywho was thinking.
I don't know about assuming brain cells Ozy I've seen some goofy stuff here :laugh:
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
Sup. I've been looking at Desks.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
luona
I've played tos and stuff like that with her before, i feel like she would be trying to take control of chat and lead us if she was mafia? from what i can tell as town she usually just stays quiet until later on.
Ohh, ok yeah that makes sense now.
But be careful plz. The Mafia need nothing more than to gain the trust of 1 Townie to trust fall with, and if she's Mafia then she's obviously aware how to best gain your trust.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
I worry about my Father sometimes. I fear he is an alcoholic.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
Sup. I've been looking at Desks.
Were they more interesting than vacuum cleaners?
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
I worry about my Father sometimes. I fear he is an alcoholic.
Tbh I think that's only a really bad thing only when in the extreme end.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Tbh I think that's only a really bad thing only when in the extreme end.
I don't know. It's very costly. And his health is starting to deteriorate but the could just be old age.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Were they more interesting than vacuum cleaners?
Yes. So many different designs. I think I have a thing for fold up/compact furniture. There are really some impressive designs.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Ohh, ok yeah that makes sense now.
But be careful plz. The Mafia need nothing more than to gain the trust of 1 Townie to trust fall with, and if she's Mafia then she's obviously aware how to best gain your trust.
@luona
But also look out for people who are trying dislodge people's trust. Mafia may want people to trust them but they don't want town to trust others either.
For example, what Ozy just did means he might be Mafia and know both you and lily are town and don't want you t trust her.
Another example is that I could be Mafia in this post, and know you and Ozy are town. I might even be a Mafia with Lily and don't want you to mistrust her.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
Is this what we are supposed to discuss? I'm not even completely sure on what we do talk about. We could be here forever.
Can we play some games?
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
Is this what we are supposed to discuss? I'm not even completely sure on what we do talk about. We could be here forever.
Can we play some games?
what games ;p
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
@
luona
But also look out for people who are trying dislodge people's trust. Mafia may want people to trust them but they don't want town to trust others either.
For example, what Ozy just did means he might be Mafia and know both you and lily are town and don't want you t trust her.
Another example is that I could be Mafia in this post, and know you and Ozy are town. I might even be a Mafia with Lily and don't want you to mistrust her.
so you and ozy are both mafia? :evil:
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
luona
so you and ozy are both mafia? :evil:
Yes. You've won. GG.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
bakermir
what games ;p
We can just ask each other random and weird questions.
What's your favourite fish to eat?
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
Is this what we are supposed to discuss? I'm not even completely sure on what we do talk about. We could be here forever.
Can we play some games?
There's so few posts in the game and even fewer have about reads on people.
I think it's not too much to ask of you to quote all regarding discussions about concrete people's alignments - and give your input. Even simple comments such as "merit" and "no merit" could move the game forward.
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Btw I'm gonna use this game to try and socialize. Im not sure if I'm lonely or not atm.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
I think I trust SuperJack already. You wanna take the fall with me?
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
SuperJack
Btw I'm gonna use this game to try and socialize. Im not sure if I'm lonely or not atm.
Haven't you got a wife and 1 or 2 kids?
You're nothing like what I remember of you in the, I think 3, maybe 4, games we recently played and you were town in all of them.
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
@Mike
[b]I trust SuperJack[\b]
How about them apples?
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
Red XIII
@
Mike
[b]I trust SuperJack[\b]
How about them apples?
I trust SuperJack
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There's not an ounce of malice in any of his posts, why wouldn't I trust him?
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Re: S-FM Trust Fall (10p)
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Originally Posted by
OzyWho
Haven't you got a wife and 1 or 2 kids?
You're nothing like what I remember of you in the, I think 3, maybe 4, games we recently played and you were town in all of them.
Yes. I mean in the friend department. Family life is great.